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    Nick Savoy: Relationship Management

    I had the fortunate opportunity to preview Savoy's new DVD seminar on Relationship Management. Being new to the game (about 3 weeks in) I didn't think that knowing how to steer a relationship from your first sexual encounter into either a friend with benefits, an open relationship, or a traditional relationship would be of much immediate value. Don't be dumb like me! Literally three days later I had a lingerie model in my bed asking me if having sex with her would make me her boy friend! Gulp!

    The lecture is very well organized and easy to understand and retain. If you are an auditory/visual learner like I am, having the DVD really makes remembering the material much easier. It's kinda has that, "I remember my friend Savoy telling me not to get stuck in the boyfriend track by saying..." effect. It's also cool to see what the guy's idea of "fashion and grooming" is.

    Anyway, it's solid stuff and just as straight forward and understandable as magic bullets. I've already put the material to use and it's the difference between repeating the same patterns that made me an AFC and moving into the new place I want to be.



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    Savoy's Relationship Management DVD Home Study Course

    Almost a year ago I sat with Savoy as he recorded his relationship management DVD thinking, 'this is nice, but I just learned how to approach last weekend, I won't need to manage multiple relationships and F'Buddies for a while now. Oops! I was wrong and found myself searching for my notes the following week when I was trying to get my first lingerie model into my rotation of permanent relationships.

    This is something in the body of pick-up info that is for everyone at any stage of their game. I can say that because I needed it on day-one and it comes from someone (Savoy) who's been in the game for a long time, so I figure everyone in the middle needs it. Don't get caught like me with a big fish on the line thinking, 'oh shit! How do I make her a permanent girl in the type of relationship I want.' As I learned in the presentation, there are things you need to do early on (first day/night) to get the relationship on the right track.

    When I sat with Savoy to record this a year ago I was about to head out to my first date in six months and as I write this I have two girls comitted to me as a boyfriend, but I can see other woman, and two regular f buddies and am out doing cold approach for SNLs every week. It didn't occur to me to thank Savoy for that information until I was driving to work two weeks ago and either got calls or texts from all four girls within a 40 minute period and thought, 'thank god for that information at the beginning of my game or these girls might have slipped through my fingers!'

    Thanks Savoy!

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    Savoy - "Relationship Management DVD Series" Review

    Having recieved a copy of the newest Love System's DVD course "Relationship Management" I found myself pretty excited. It wasn't like many of the other courses and seminar's I've seen, it was fundamentally different. It appealed to more more visceral and real part of me: The part that knows that, one day, I wish to be in a committed monogamous relationship with the woman I wish to spend my life with. It also appealed to the ever more present belief that, until I do meet the right girl that I want to marry, I want to be with as many girls as possible and test what's out there.

    The excitement rose as I put it in my DVD player. Would it live up to my expectations? Too many courses teach you how to approach and attract the girl, but this is the only one I've seen that focuses on how to keep her.

    The first disc was filled with the basics of relationship management techniques. It serves as the backdrop for which all the other DVD's are set to. It starts off talking about the foundations of relationships. It does not just focus on one relationship but instead creates three arch-types of a relationship based on commitment levels (High, medium and low respectively). High commitment relationship's are relationship's that require more time and effort and thought. Things such as a traditional, monagamous relationship and a traditional plus (where you only date each other except for mutually agreed upon threesome) are considered high commitment. Medium commitment covers multiple long term relationships and open relationship's. Low commitment covers dating/undefined and friends with benefits. The first disc also goes through the general principles one should follow under any type of relationship and gives some practical advice on how to approach relationship's.

    Disc two delve's deeper into the types or relationship. It explains, in detail, the level of commitment needed, what kind of ideas or expectation's should be set up at what time period in order to have a healthy relationship no matter where it fall on the commitment continum. As the DVDs state, relationship management begins BEFORE you sleep with a girl. It is on this disc that you will learn to embed relationship ideals into stories and conversation, how to manage your's (and her) expectations and how to deal with the common relationship pitfalls.The DVDs also introduce another level usually forgotten in pick up: How to transition between relationship type's. Mostly though, the best and easiest transition is within commitment levels. However, if you have your base (lowest form of commitment), you can easily take a relationship up the commitment levels while if you try to move down from the highest commitment level you risk losing her. Here Savoy gives not only good tips and advice on how to create these relationships, but also gives direct lines and quote's and stories to help you learn how some delicate subjects should be broached. To broaden the scope of the DVD, Savoy has a chapter devoted to infidelity where he explains the 3 part infidelity model, an almost mathematical formula to see if a girl is cheating on you but, when used as a baraometer to see how your relationhsip is progressing, can prevent you from being cheated on. This alone make's the DVD a boon to have when trying to get a good relationship.

    The third and final disc is strictly Q & A. Although each chapter has a Q and A section this last disc goes mush deeper into some of the themes and ideas covered in the DVDs or will approach the matter from a different angle. The question's are all thoughtfully answered, some taking up to two minutes and longer, more nebulous question's taking up to eight minutes. The question's themselves run the gamut from the vital (i.e. how to find out if your girlfriend is cheating, finding the right relationship type for you, telling her you are seeing other people, screening for things you want and how to encourage those behaviors in the women you date) to the very useful (i.e. managing multiple relationships, what dates are more likely to lead to sex, ect).

    On the negative side, some of the tip's given are common sense. This happens more in the first disc then it does in the second or third. Of course, seeing as it is an introduction to relationships that is to be expected.

    The DVDs are wonderful not only because they feel the empty niche of "dating and relationships" in pick up but because they do it so well. Speaking as a man who loves commitment, a guy who want's more out of a girl then just to sleep with her and never see her again these DVDs allow me a better look into the world of relationships and what to do after you have the girl. Watching the DVDs and taking notes have given me much greater freedom in knowing what I want and how to get it while also making me question why I want one type of relationship over another. If you're a PUA who wants multiple relationships, fuck buddies, monogamy or even if you have a girl and want to know how to keep her happy and loyal then these DVDs are for you.

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    I'm hyped already. When will they be available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAT0R View Post
    I'm hyped already. When will they be available?
    The DVD series should be due out within two months.

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    The reality is that guys who get good end up spending more time dealing with relationship management issues than worrying about cold approach.

    If you are getting really high quality women you're going to want to keep them around in some capacity, even if it's not an exclusive commitment... Having these relationship management skills down tight will go a long way towards creating a kickass lifestyle where you have more women at your disposal than you can handle. And then you just add new ones when you feel like it.

    Savoy has a ton of experience at this in both conventional and "unconventional", less committed type relationships and this product is something everyone can really use.
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    i just ordered my 3-disc DVDs but i'm skeptical...my biggest issue i have is fucking a girl & her not wanting to hang out with me after a couple of weeks b/c i offer no commitment & i'm trying to figure out ways to keep fucking her...i also want to know what i can tell girls to make them fee comfortable with me seeing other people....as one poster mentioned, i would think this entire DVD is simply common sense but savoy had a great marketing scheme IMO

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    This is going to be worth the $199 at least. Before sitting with Savoy on this, I had never had more than one girl at a time and I had a rotation of four within weeks. Just recently I had to fire a couple of my girls becuase I didn't have time for all four with more approaches.

    Of course, we have different sticking points, but no one is 'natural' at this so it aint common sense, it's just intuitive when you hear it and it's not too complex. It's just a matter of knowing what to do and being disciplined enough to do it.

    My girls only pressure me not to see others when I see them TOO often. That's one thing to try and fix, and you've got to offer A LOT of value. She has to understand that you are in such high demand that of course you wouldn't settle for just one girl. Women are hard wired for this, you just have to learn how to trigger it.

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    Savoy,

    Has the pre-ordered DVDs been shipped yet? I haven't got any update about my order since I ordered it.

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    I didnt say anything hoping david was gonna get answerd.I second his question,I havent had any kind of update either.

    My B,literally just got the email after this post.
    Last edited by Guil3; 02-07-2009 at 12:05 AM. Reason: update

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    Great Stuff

    I got the DVDs in the mail last Saturday and I literally watched them non-stop glued to every minute.

    The foundations were helpful and the three rules of relationships are great guides. Next came an overview of the different types of relationships followed by general prinicpals that apply to all relationships (I would list them but I am unsure how much detail I can provide). Savoy then goes into each type of relationship in detail and provides very sound advice in each case. I myself am on the verge of a traditional relationship so I was particularly glued to this part and I found some pretty useful information there. I would have liked a bit more information on the traditional relationship because I did know some of the rules Savoy outlined from Magic Bullets and the Friends with Benefits interview. But this part was supplemented later with some interesting stuff.

    After the types of relationships comes a section on how to change relationship types which was very insightful. One of my favorite parts was next: the model of predicting infidelity. This part was pure genius and I got a lot of great information here. A subheading of this came up when Savoy gave advice what to do when a guy starts flirting with your girlfriend and it was not what I expected. I have definitely addressed this issue incorrectly in the past and I was writing FURIOUSLY during this part.

    After each section was a Q & A and for the most part these were helpful as well. The bonus Q & A disc was a mixed bag in my opinion. Granted, it was a bonus, but some of the questions seemed not useful to me. Maybe for others they would prove useful.

    Overall, I would give this product my unreserved recommendation! The video is well produced, professional, and full of great advice. It is definitely the essential relationship guide and I am sure I will consult it frequently in the future.

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    Great, I should buy them. I just feel like I don't have the skill level yet to worry about that, even if the relationship management starts at the approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savoy View Post
    So something can feel like common sense because it fits so well with what you know in your passive mind...but also be very useful if it brings a concept, rule, or conclusion to your active mind and tie it all together.

    And you're never wondering if the product is too basic or too advanced - they all start at the basic and continue to the advanced and are specifically designed so that they can be used at any starting skill level.
    Common sense is not commonly applied. Often even people who are really successful in many areas of life have real weaknesses in basic areas, and I don't know anyone who doesn't have a serious difficulty with something that most people find easy, such as their weight, finances, work, romantic relationships, parenting, academics, driving, you name it.

    I have this, and I have to say that before I found the community about the only thing I had that I could do well was cold approach/SNL. Ironic that this is considered advanced, because I sucked at all the other stuff. This product, The Approaches' Master Your Social Destiny, and my friend Kareas advice (put out a product dude!) have enabled me to get relationships that last longer than a week or two. The best thing is that this product enabled me to have a lot of sex I could have been having, but because I didn't know how to manage expectations I wasn't even bothering to engage in it at all, and now that I know I won't be breaking any hearts I'm comfortable having those friends with benefits. I should also have some 3some reports shortly because of this.

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    If you're thinking of buying this course, stop right now and just get it, it's that good. It's worth the money. Much like Vizenhour stated it's what you need to know if you're in this "game" to win.

    Content wise it's jammed packed full of useful relationship information whether you're a newbie (read: virgin) or had more than your fair share of relationships with beautiful women (read: i'm jealous). Check Streetwisekeen's post for a breakdown of content.

    I personally believe the infidelity model is pure gold and worth the price of the DVD's alone, but if you're reading this you're probably dubious as it is, so i found the Q and A session at the end of the course pretty insightful. It's where Savoy gives his own version of an FAQ from what i believe were bootcamp students at the time of the seminar recording.

    All in all a worthwhile tool.

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    I just got the DVDs today and watched them straight through. It was definitely a great investment and has cleared up alot of the questions and issues I've been experiencing lately! Savoy really delivers with this one! For anyone that has watched it I did have a question regarding a specific situation, but I won't post it here because this forum is for reviews. If anyone would take the time to look at it and offer advice I'd appreciate it!

    Thanks!

    http://www.theattractionforums.com/d...tml#post714676

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    The DVD set was exactly what i was needing right now, because i noticed that one of the biggest thing that was keeping me from improving my game...was my natural tendency of entering into traditional relationship without even thinking on it... really, at some point i was "commited" to someone and dropping my sarging nights...

    When started practicing i could sleep with a colleage at work and then i had a 9 month relationship i really didnt wanted in the first place.. (i know, i know...) later i almost fell into the same pattern.


    When i got the DVDs i dated an ex colleague and could kiss her in the first date and thats when i realized that all that i was doing was wrong...i was setting myself into a "boyfriend" material because of my behavior, so i immediately started applying some of the principles i learned from watching the DVD just once... so, i resisted to talk and see her so often, and i started to frame her different, its amazing how important was to avoid "boyfriend topics"....

    I plan to continue going out with my wings to practice i still have a lot to improve my cold approach game, so now i can have my "friend" and my "game practice" together.... but i think that the best will come when i find the "girl of my dreams" the advice and insights i got from the DVD will help me a lot.

    Pretty useful stuff, like they say..i wish dad had taught me this....


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    Great piece of advice...

    I usually thought that once you become good with women, you become a perfect candidate to be a "keeper" with them but nope, it's not, maybe i know how to get girls and have one night stands, but... most of the time didn't knew how to manage a relationship. Even worst: i didn't knew how many types of relationships exist and how to handle each one of them, but definitely this DVD set helped me a lot and now i have a more general idea on how to manage one and how to prevent making common mistakes, (i did a lot of them in my past 2 relationships).

    Definitely a must if you don't have a clue why you got dumped every time you try to have a relationship or why you can't keep one.

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    First off I don't typically write reviews but the information given from love systems is so solid i think it deserves some attention. With game we can get so fixated on the process of getting to close. Relationship management is overlooked at least this was with me. After having slept with a few women I always found myself in this weird position afterwords where either I didn't hear from them again or I would end up in a very emotionally binding relationship( not really Officially bf/gf) that I would have a very vey difficult time getting out of. It can be very very time consuming and I would lose focus of the goals I wanted to attain by ending up in hear non relationships I didn't exactly want in the first place. Even if we said it would be nothin serious before hand. The relationshiP management DVD finally brought clarity to me on what signals I was giving off and why I would end up more committed without realizing whyit happened. If you understand the triad model well this DVD seriously fills in and refines any uncertain or unclear idea. It helps tie in your dating life as a whole and reminds me of what the purpose of learning dating science was in the first place. It's not about just sleeping with beautiful women but being able to achieve and maintain relationship situations you could only dream of. Literally looking back at my last ex and this girl I'm currently dating I can steer my behavior in a direction that doesn't leave me feeling helpless to the whims of emotional ignorance. With that last thought in mind it isn't that it make u immune to the emotions involved but helps to understand why you and your partner/partners behave the way we do. Thanks Savoy and the Love systems team for yet again enlightening those who are willing to take the chance.

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    I first came across the DVDs many months ago back when I was in a relationship. I watched it back then in order to learn how to better understand why certain bits of my relationship weren't working out - and it did precisely that. I have to say this is probably Nick's most overlooked product. In my honest opinion this deserves as much attention as Magic Bullets. For me what I was looking for was also to understand how the female psychology works/changes when in a relationship and for that - I don't think there's a better product that one.

    This product is key in understanding how to best pick the type of woman you're looking for. Most men wonder why a specific girl cheated on them although they did 'most things right'...well..watch this and think about what type of girl you're gonna go after next time. You need to know the fundamentals of Relationship Management - and Nick gives em to you in the simplest way possible.
    The information on each different relationship type is astonishing. Me personally, I never thought that there could be so many different types of commitments, let alone relationship types!

    The Three Part Infidelity Model is great! That ought to teach you what to expect out of the person you're with.

    The Bonus Q & A bit is also helpful, maybe 1 or 2 different questions might have been better , but still a lot of key info is said in there!

    Overall, I'd say definitely worth the money, and a great investment - possibly a bit more for those looking to learn about maintaining a healthy long relationship, but nevertheless suitable for everybody!

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    Now there are a lot of video lessons on YouTube, quite a lot of them and they are high quality, why pay more?

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    Como podria tener esos dvd??

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    Is this thread actual?

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