What supplements are you taking now

123 LastLast
Results 1 to 100 of 236
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    What supplements are you taking now

    I am back to lifting so I plan to frequent here more.

    Currently taking superpump 250 prework out. Myoplex + creatine + gluatmine post. Come jan going back on nitrix stacking with no-xplode before classes (pilates, fluditiy etc) and superpump on work out days.

    Think about trying zma again although results first time were nothing immpressive.


    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Gender:
    Location
    Orlando, FL
    Age
    31
    Posts
    671
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    hey fader

    I currently work out 7 days a week, and have been for some time. However it's more for the health benefits than the fitness/lifting like I used to be into.

    Anyways, back when I was into lifting and increasing muscle size/endurance hardcore I never took anything more than a multi (briefly got into protein powders but that ended quickly) and was very pleased with my results. Currently Im super all natural health nut guy....no pills what so ever.

    Anyways, what I'm getting at is your diet.

    Im sure you already know this but supplements are just that, supplements. Things that >supplement< your diet.

    Try doing some research into what you should be eating, when you should be eating, and how you should be eating to attain your goals rather than head straight for the next pill/powder. Nourishing your body properly can produce amazing results.

    good luck

    -Dream

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Yup I know thanks. I use to do personal training for a living so I am pretty familiar with body building and dieting. I appreciate the tips though
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  4. #4
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    Illinois
    Age
    29
    Posts
    34
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    wats crackin fader...ive been workin out for maybe a year now..i used to take No-Xplode...total waste of moneyyyy!!!!!!but power to you if u got it to spend it...i currently take l-glutamine with l-arginine and caffeine before my workout its kind of like cheaper alternative to no-xplode which are main ingredients in it...thats pre workout...i lift and take plain old whey! about 45g of it...hope that kind of helped..if i were you i wouldnt waste my money on overpriced products that stop working when u get off of them...IMO....hope that kinda helped

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by colombian_hustla View Post
    wats crackin fader...ive been workin out for maybe a year now..i used to take No-Xplode...total waste of moneyyyy!!!!!!but power to you if u got it to spend it...i currently take l-glutamine with l-arginine and caffeine before my workout its kind of like cheaper alternative to no-xplode which are main ingredients in it...thats pre workout...i lift and take plain old whey! about 45g of it...hope that kind of helped..if i were you i wouldnt waste my money on overpriced products that stop working when u get off of them...IMO....hope that kinda helped
    What up bro. No-xplode blows. I bought a lot of it cheap so I am trying to get finished with it. Superpump250 is superior. However both no-xplode and superpump's main ingediant is arginine which cant be obtained from food.

    However you are right you do get smaller when you come off. When you take it though it is just like anything else you are cycling.... you take it to go up 40pounds in xyz excerise and when you come off drop to 20 but you at least you have gained 20. Where as with out it you might have gained 10
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  6. #6
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Gender:
    Location
    suffragette city
    Posts
    1,146
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    lost of great food, get this right every time, supplements are supplemental remember

    fish oils, multi, whey/dextrose peri workout, occasional super fruit and veg shake with whey

    200lbs at <10%, so far
    Last edited by The Legend; 11-15-2007 at 04:13 AM.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    Surprise Buttsex
    Posts
    6,838
    Mentioned
    9 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Fish Oil, Potassium, Magnesium, Vitamin C.
    When I am writing in red, it's as an Attraction Forums mod or admin. When I write in normal text, it's just me.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Gender:
    Age
    37
    Posts
    447
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    vitamin a, fish oil, magnesium, calcium, zinc, creatine, whey protien powder.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Gender:
    Posts
    13
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    muscle milk and cyto gainer stack has worked the best for me. However I'm an EXTREMELY hard gainer. I used these over the summer and put on 20 lbs of muscle...something I've never even come close to doing

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Gender:
    Location
    suffragette city
    Posts
    1,146
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    thumbs have you ever counted your calories

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    You put on 20 pounds of muscle in 3 months? I call bullshit (especially for a hardgainer).

    Maybe on a cycle of juice, hgh, or ph's you did
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  12. #12
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    Fayetteville, AR
    Age
    38
    Posts
    62
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    supplements

    Other than metabolic steroids the only true supplement is water, or so I've been told. Creatine, for example, just makes your muscles retain water. Rather than making them bigger. In my opinion, other than a good multivitamin, all other supplements are just a recipe for expensive urine. I've done twenty pounds in three months, but two is pushing it.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    London
    Age
    32
    Posts
    23
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fader
    main ingediant is arginine which cant be obtained from food.
    Not true, it is heavily available through celery.
    I personally take Amino 1000, Body Fortress Whey Protein (in moderation, no where near what is recommended) L-Arginine.

    And eat a healthy diet with lots of fish, wholegrain rice & chicken.
    Some of you seem to be aiming pretty high on the glycemic scale. Careful.

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by mikegrate314 View Post
    Other than metabolic steroids the only true supplement is water, or so I've been told. Creatine, for example, just makes your muscles retain water. Rather than making them bigger. In my opinion, other than a good multivitamin, all other supplements are just a recipe for expensive urine. I've done twenty pounds in three months, but two is pushing it.
    Actually thats not what creatine does at all. Creatine adds a moelcue of phosphate to turn adp to atp. Atp is the "fuel" muscles use for contractions.

    And 20 pounds of solid muscle zero fat? Doubt that sorry. Even in 3 months. 20 pounds of lean muscle mass with no fat gain. Talk to any docter or traininer the world and they will tell you impossible unless you are using steroids, prohormones or human growth hormones
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  15. #15
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sai View Post
    Not true, it is heavily available through celery.
    I personally take Amino 1000, Body Fortress Whey Protein (in moderation, no where near what is recommended) L-Arginine.

    And eat a healthy diet with lots of fish, wholegrain rice & chicken.
    Some of you seem to be aiming pretty high on the glycemic scale. Careful.
    Thats like saying creatine is avaible through meat. Sure if you eat 2.2 pounds of grade A meat you get the equivalent of a teapsoon of creatine.

    That being said you're right i consume way too many carbs.

    Also I dont do enough work on my core but I digress.
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  16. #16
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    London
    Age
    32
    Posts
    23
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    ^^Bud, working my core was the hardest thing I ever did. Having to alter my entire lifestyle (well, eat-style haha) has been something pretty cringe worthy. But if you find the time is right for you to do it, it really is worth it, and along with lower back routines it really is a God-sent during sex.

    In relation to the celery, duely noted. My source comes from (pornstar) Peter North who eats 3-4 stalks before a shoot to increase semen volume (dramatically from what I can see, so I don't personally take it as a bulking agent.)

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sai View Post
    ^^Bud, working my core was the hardest thing I ever did. Having to alter my entire lifestyle (well, eat-style haha) has been something pretty cringe worthy. But if you find the time is right for you to do it, it really is worth it, and along with lower back routines it really is a God-sent during sex.

    In relation to the celery, duely noted. My source comes from (pornstar) Peter North who eats 3-4 stalks before a shoot to increase semen volume (dramatically from what I can see, so I don't personally take it as a bulking agent.)
    Yea I am going to get into pilates hardcore. Oh ok so you are really not talking about anything kind of relevant. No offense. I am talking about volumizers that use Arginine / Nitric Oxide to push blood into the muscles. Products like nitrix, no-xplode, superpump250, no2, etc. You are making a co-relation between increased testerone levels based on Peter North saying he blows fatter loads based on celery. Totally unrelated man (and not proven that celery raises test at all) lmaooooo

    http://bodybuilding.com/store/arginine.html
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  18. #18
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Gender:
    Location
    suffragette city
    Posts
    1,146
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Fader do you mind if I hit Sai with a bosu ball?

    maybe this should become the misinformation and urban myths forum

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Legend View Post
    Fader do you mind if I hit Sai with a bosu ball?

    maybe this should become the misinformation and urban myths forum
    lol no. Anyone who likes Bowie is ok in my book.
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  20. #20
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Gender:
    Age
    38
    Posts
    9
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Hey guys... This is my first post on the forum, I usually just troll around and soak up the advice. But training is something that I've put a lot of time into over the years so I figured I'd throw m
    2 cents in.

    I believe its possible to gain 20 lbs. In two months, but its not going to be all muscle. However, as long as your putting on more muscle then fat, your body fat percentage will go down and you will appear to be less fat. So while your gaining fat your still making out on the deal.

    I never liked the typical personal trainers. I've always trained for strength rather then looks. Theres a motto I go by, ''guys who are jacked aren't always strong. But guys who are strong are always jacked'' I don't remember where I read that but it certainly is the truth.

    I first got into lifting seriously years ago after one of my ex's told me her new boyfriend was more ripped then I was. I went nuts! Ate clean and lifted hard for a year. I went from 180- 235lbs in that time and was solid as a brick. Whenever someone that hadn't seen me in a month or more ran into me they couldn't believe how much bigger I got. My ex's parents would ask her if I was on steroids! I've always trained in powerlifting gyms so my favoritte excerciseswere always squats and deadlifts (its amazing how much mass you add with those excercises)

    I never got to big into supplements. All I ever really like to take are animal pak (great multi) animal flex (great joint supplement for heavy lifters) and now animal pump (because I've always liked creatine). and if I can't get a full meal in after my workout I'll have a Up Your Mass protein shake. protein bars are also handy to have in the car, work, or anywhere you might miss a meal.

    Fader- How can you stomach the superpump? that is some god awfull tasting crap! lol

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by kingkawi View Post
    Hey guys... This is my first post on the forum, I usually just troll around and soak up the advice. But training is something that I've put a lot of time into over the years so I figured I'd throw m
    2 cents in.

    I believe its possible to gain 20 lbs. In two months, but its not going to be all muscle. However, as long as your putting on more muscle then fat, your body fat percentage will go down and you will appear to be less fat. So while your gaining fat your still making out on the deal.

    I never liked the typical personal trainers. I've always trained for strength rather then looks. Theres a motto I go by, ''guys who are jacked aren't always strong. But guys who are strong are always jacked'' I don't remember where I read that but it certainly is the truth.

    I first got into lifting seriously years ago after one of my ex's told me her new boyfriend was more ripped then I was. I went nuts! Ate clean and lifted hard for a year. I went from 180- 235lbs in that time and was solid as a brick. Whenever someone that hadn't seen me in a month or more ran into me they couldn't believe how much bigger I got. My ex's parents would ask her if I was on steroids! I've always trained in powerlifting gyms so my favoritte excerciseswere always squats and deadlifts (its amazing how much mass you add with those excercises)

    I never got to big into supplements. All I ever really like to take are animal pak (great multi) animal flex (great joint supplement for heavy lifters) and now animal pump (because I've always liked creatine). and if I can't get a full meal in after my workout I'll have a Up Your Mass protein shake. protein bars are also handy to have in the car, work, or anywhere you might miss a meal.

    Fader- How can you stomach the superpump? that is some god awfull tasting crap! lol
    Thank you at least someone agrees lol. Thought I was talking into a black hole for a second.

    I do HIT (High Intensity Training) so I do a lot of compound excercises (squats, deadlifts, should press). I do full body workouts and only haev to lift twice a week. When I gradudated high school I was so skinny that once I cleaned my act up I got the same comments (about juicing).

    LOL I am pretty good with taste and supps. Dont try this at home kids! The fruit punch and blueberry are not bad. I am taking 2 scoops pre workout. Previous I was taking stacker 2's for energy but no need for that and you cant mix vasolidators and eca stacks cause eca works as a constrictor.
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  22. #22
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    London
    Age
    32
    Posts
    23
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Bosu Ball? Thats harsh. Besides all I know is I lookz good!

  23. #23
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by kingkawi View Post

    I believe its possible to gain 20 lbs. In two months, but its not going to be all muscle. However, as long as your putting on more muscle then fat, your body fat percentage will go down and you will appear to be less fat. So while your gaining fat your still making out on the deal.
    For the sake of completeness i am going to disagree with this. If you body fat is 10 percent and you gain 20 pounds, 15 pounds of muscle and 5 pounds of fat you are gaining more muscle then fat but your fat percent is going up (you just put on muscle at a 3 : 1 fat ratio which is 25%). That would bring your total bodyfat percentage up if it it is at 10% (I am not going to do the rest of the math but I will leave that to the reader if they care enough to test what I said)
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  24. #24
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Gender:
    Location
    suffragette city
    Posts
    1,146
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    the point i keep trying to make is that a lot of guys on here are saying that they are hard gainers etc, yet none of them know their daily calorie count

    then other people post-this supplement is great etc, of course it is if it makes you have a calorie surplus...

    hardgainers are often people who have no idea how much they eat, and are falsely under the impression that they "eat loads"

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Legend View Post
    the point i keep trying to make is that a lot of guys on here are saying that they are hard gainers etc, yet none of them know their daily calorie count

    then other people post-this supplement is great etc, of course it is if it makes you have a calorie surplus...

    hardgainers are often people who have no idea how much they eat, and are falsely under the impression that they "eat loads"
    In my mind the triad is Proper workout regime, proper diet, adequate rest. Only after that do supps come into play. Of course they do bro.... same reason everyone is bad at pickup... they are not good looking enough, too short, etc. Everyone has excuses. It's the American way
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  26. #26
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Gender:
    Age
    38
    Posts
    9
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fader View Post
    For the sake of completeness i am going to disagree with this. If you body fat is 10 percent and you gain 20 pounds, 15 pounds of muscle and 5 pounds of fat you are gaining more muscle then fat but your fat percent is going up (you just put on muscle at a 3 : 1 fat ratio which is 25%). That would bring your total bodyfat percentage up if it it is at 10% (I am not going to do the rest of the math but I will leave that to the reader if they care enough to test what I said)
    I'll try and explain my thoughts the best I could.

    lets say you weigh 200 lbs with 25% bf. which means you have 50 lbs fat and 150 lbs muscle... Then you put on 100lbs(easier to calculate). 25lbs fat 75 lbs muscle

    now your at 75lbs fat and 225lbs muscle. which equates to 25% bf still...

    sooo, as long as your weight gain is at least 76% muscle (in this case... will vary for others) and 24% or less of fat, your bodyfat percentage will go down.

    I hope I'm making sense with this now. Where your going wrong with your example is your forgeting to add in the muscle weight into the equation. you can add fat and muscle and depending on percentages of each you'll either end up equal, higher, or lower then your previous bodyfat %.... of course you'll have more fat, but the fact that you also have a lot more muscle hides the small amount of fat gain, while keeping your bf% or even lowering it.

  27. #27
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by kingkawi View Post
    I'll try and explain my thoughts the best I could.

    lets say you weigh 200 lbs with 25% bf. which means you have 50 lbs fat and 150 lbs muscle... Then you put on 100lbs(easier to calculate). 25lbs fat 75 lbs muscle

    now your at 75lbs fat and 225lbs muscle. which equates to 25% bf still...

    sooo, as long as your weight gain is at least 76% muscle (in this case... will vary for others) and 24% or less of fat, your bodyfat percentage will go down.

    I hope I'm making sense with this now. Where your going wrong with your example is your forgeting to add in the muscle weight into the equation. you can add fat and muscle and depending on percentages of each you'll either end up equal, higher, or lower then your previous bodyfat %.... of course you'll have more fat, but the fact that you also have a lot more muscle hides the small amount of fat gain, while keeping your bf% or even lowering it.
    Ok but now you are saying something different. Before you said as long as you gain more muscle then fat which is not in all cases true. NOW you are saying as long as you gain more muscle then fat in accordance with your bodyfat percentages.

    I can prove the first statement wrong easily.

    Guy ways 200 he is 20% bf that means he is 160 muscle 40 pounds of fat.
    Guy gains 40 pounds 25 muscle 15 fat. Thats more muscle then fat but that is a 37.5 precent body fat gain. This would bring him to a toal weight of 240 but now is 185 muscle and 55 fat bring his body fat to 22.91% percent.

    So what you first said is wrong:
    "
    Originally Posted by kingkawi

    I believe its possible to gain 20 lbs. In two months, but its not going to be all muscle. However, as long as your putting on more muscle then fat, your body fat percentage will go down and you will appear to be less fat. "

    What you are saying now is different and correct
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  28. #28
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Gender:
    Age
    38
    Posts
    9
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Hey Fader, your absolutely correct. My brains a little scrambled from working to much this week and I left out all the important info in the first post. All I was trying to say is it's possible to gain fat and still look like you lost it.

    And off-topic but send me a pm with info on your one on ones. I'm right across the Holland Tunnel!

  29. #29
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by kingkawi View Post
    Hey Fader, your absolutely correct. My brains a little scrambled from working to much this week and I left out all the important info in the first post. All I was trying to say is it's possible to gain fat and still look like you lost it.

    And off-topic but send me a pm with info on your one on ones. I'm right across the Holland Tunnel!
    Cool I love meeting new peeps.
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  30. #30
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Gender:
    Posts
    13
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Yea eating tons of food(lots of lean proteins) was probably what did most of my work...and I did go from 140 to 160...no lie at all

  31. #31
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    Reading, UK
    Age
    36
    Posts
    41
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    I found that doing a dietary analysis really helped me get quality gains and muscle thickness too. Simply put, its just keeping a 7 day log of your eating patterns, sleep and hydration. From this I was able to decifer that I needed more water in smaller doses, more recovery from sessions due to tiredness and to make sure I was eating (no massive amounts) every 3/4 hours or so.

    Went from 11st 11lbs to 13st 3lbs in 12 weeks with a ripped physique(around 9% BF) and only using creatine for the final 6 week phase. Quality meals were the key really, as well as cutting my lifting sessions down to just 2 a week, an hour in duration (super setting to get maximum effort and exposure to multiple muscle groups)

    try it. obv it was easier for me coz Im a PT and Nutritionist so I know what works and what doesnt but give it 8 weeks and you will see significant gains that last. Plus you will feel natrual!
    "Noone ever learned anything from getting it right every time"

    "Be cool, live outside your comfort zone"

    virtuosostyle.blogspot.com

  32. #32
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Gender:
    Location
    suffragette city
    Posts
    1,146
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    feeling natural eh? rather than feeling unnatural, as that would be wrong

  33. #33
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    JHB South Africa
    Posts
    37
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Very good drink by a company called muscle science is explode... its a creatine and caffine mix...

    if u gonna take supplements,, dont take to many at once... rather take supplement 'A' and wait for it to hit its peak and when u c u not gaining as much as u used to then move onto supplement 'B' and so on..

    cause if u take to many at once u will (im saying this nicely here) fck up you kidneys...

    so maybe just stick to like two things at a time rather than overloading on supplements

    and bro, train early in the morning (dont eat anything before,, maybe a fruit if u r really hungry) and go gym cause u r using up all the raw energy that ur body has built up during the night
    and lotsa protien will do u good....

  34. #34
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Gender:
    Location
    suffragette city
    Posts
    1,146
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    another expert spoils us /\

  35. #35
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    JHB South Africa
    Posts
    37
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    anytime...it was a pleasure

  36. #36
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Gender:
    Posts
    83
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Stay away from clen, T3 and Venom Hyperdrive.

    I've never liked anything from GNC.

    I like products by these companies:
    Palo Alto Labs :: (Leviathan and Reload)
    Applied Nutriceuticals :: (RPM and Drive)

    There's also prohormones these days, Superdrol, Epidrol. Supposedly they're crazy.

    Yohimbe is a popular stimulant added too supps lately.

    Sesamin and Flax Seed help burn fat.

  37. #37
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kosko View Post
    Stay away from clen, T3 and Venom Hyperdrive.

    I've never liked anything from GNC.

    I like products by these companies:
    Palo Alto Labs :: (Leviathan and Reload)
    Applied Nutriceuticals :: (RPM and Drive)

    There's also prohormones these days, Superdrol, Epidrol. Supposedly they're crazy.

    Yohimbe is a popular stimulant added too supps lately.

    Sesamin and Flax Seed help burn fat.
    Gnc blows. Becareful with Ph's boys you have to know what you are doing and know how to do proper pct. You can find articles on pct on other sites
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  38. #38
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Gender:
    Age
    34
    Posts
    360
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    I have been in the bodybuilding community for a very long time, and not to create a bad buzz here, but real steroids are both cheaper, work better, and less toxic to the liver than the prohormones. Prohormones are pretty much a chemical that has not been scheduled yet trust me they will. then they throw something new out and try to make as much money as possible again before that drug is scheduled.

    I guess if you are afraid of needles though PH's are your best bet.

    This is all just educational I dont do steroids

  39. #39
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by Durk View Post
    I have been in the bodybuilding community for a very long time, and not to create a bad buzz here, but real steroids are both cheaper, work better, and less toxic to the liver than the prohormones. Prohormones are pretty much a chemical that has not been scheduled yet trust me they will. then they throw something new out and try to make as much money as possible again before that drug is scheduled.

    I guess if you are afraid of needles though PH's are your best bet.

    This is all just educational I dont do steroids
    Steroids are more efficient then ph's. Needles are better then pills (from a toxicity standpoint because they don't pass through the liver).

    That being said ph's are cheaper and are not illegal to buy.

    A cycle of superdrol is like 25 dollars I am not sure how much a cycle of dball is or anything else from a reputable company like say british dragon. Much more expensive then 25. I know something like andovar is very expensive.
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  40. #40
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Gender:
    Age
    34
    Posts
    360
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    That cheap now really? I remember when they first came out they were rediculously expensive. Guess you would have to factor in whats avalaible to you and how cheap. If I were to I would get the real thing because I can get a vail as cheap as certain brands of protien powder if I wanted to go that route.

  41. #41
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Gender:
    Location
    suffragette city
    Posts
    1,146
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kosko View Post

    Sesamin and Flax Seed help burn fat.
    milled flax is great for fibre, tastes nice and has some 03s, but can you point me at the fat burning studies?

    Lower calories are best for fat burning

  42. #42
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Gender:
    Posts
    83
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Well actually I don't know if Sesamin and Flax actually help lose weight. I've just heard a lot about the O3s burning fat though and two of the most reccomended sources I've seen are those seeds. Personally I don't take either, the grinding and flavor just look like to much work for me.

    Oh, I'd stay away from the prohormones as well. You really have to know what your doing to not hurt yourself. TONS of nutrition as well, you really can't mess with it. My friend put on about 15 pounds in a month on (then lost around 7 after); but he said during that time he was nearly driven mad.

    Some of the things like Clen and T3 erode heart tissue from what I've heard.

    Honestly, I like a caffeine based thermo like RPM to get me going when I don't feel like the gym; but nutrition trumps supplements ANY day. Supplements do not work if your diet is not in order. If you eat a truly clean diet, its nearly impossible to not lose weight.

  43. #43
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Gender:
    Age
    38
    Posts
    9
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kosko View Post
    If you eat a truly clean diet, its nearly impossible to not lose weight.
    or gain weight if that's what you want too... I ate super clean and put on close to 50 lbs in a little less then a years time. The difference in gaining or losing weigh is in how much you eat. I was eating 6000-7000 calories a day of food (protein shakes added more calories) I had weighed out containers of food packed in a cooler with me everywhere I went (at the very least I'd have a protein bar or two stashed with me). but you also need to be pretty religious about the gym while eating that much food.

    its a hard lifestyle to adapt to, but once you do it becomes pretty routine. Hell, after a while I didn't even need to tell the butcher what I wanted, he'd even throw things in that he thought I'd like. I'd go food shopping twice a week the I'd cook twice a week.

    With things changing in my life I had to get out of the routine for a while, but I just started up again (on a much smaller level) and all is well with the world once again

  44. #44
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Gender:
    Location
    suffragette city
    Posts
    1,146
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    6-7000 cals a day is just loads, unless you are 7ft tall and 300lbs

    adding that amount of cals to a typical 170lb guy would be a recipe for the perfect Homer Simpson body

  45. #45
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Gender:
    Age
    38
    Posts
    9
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Legend View Post
    6-7000 cals a day is just loads, unless you are 7ft tall and 300lbs

    adding that amount of cals to a typical 170lb guy would be a recipe for the perfect Homer Simpson body
    hmmm, I beg to differ. like I said, I went from about 180-230 give or take a couple lbs. The eating, mixed with heavy (HEAVY) lifting and the occasional run on the treadmil actually brought my bodyfat percentage down, and my abs showed through more then ever. keep in mind it was very clean calories, all I ate was chicken, steak, fish, eggs, oatmeal, yams, brown rice, fruits and veggies. along with one cheat meal a week (usually sundays dinner). the guys who can't or won't eat that much are the ones who claim to be hard gainers. I get asked by people all the time how I got bigger and I say I ate. they say that they eat a lot and it doesn't work, but when I ask them what they eat in a day I usually laugh at their response. That diet is what I do when I wanna grow as much as possible in the smallest amount of time. right now I don't eat nearly as much, maybe 4000 cal, but all I'm looking to do now is maintain my muscle and maybe cut some fat..

  46. #46
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Gender:
    Location
    suffragette city
    Posts
    1,146
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    did you have some vitamin S? as that changes things considerable

  47. #47
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Gender:
    Age
    36
    Posts
    254
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fader View Post
    I am back to lifting so I plan to frequent here more.

    Currently taking superpump 250 prework out. Myoplex + creatine + gluatmine post. Come jan going back on nitrix stacking with no-xplode before classes (pilates, fluditiy etc) and superpump on work out days.

    Think about trying zma again although results first time were nothing immpressive.
    Note on ZMA's: Some brands work well some suck. EAS used to make a good one. It felt like I was coming out of a coma every morning. Best sleep i ever had. The best thing to do with ZMA's is make sure your taking them at night on an empty stomach and try different brands. Some will work well others dont do shit. Once you find one that works, stick with it. EAS doesnt make the ZMA's I used to from them anymore. I still havent found one that works nearly as well.

  48. #48
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Gender:
    Posts
    16
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Very True....ZMA is a great supp, but some of them have made me sick to my stomach (usually the tablet form)....I bought the GNC brand one time because i had a "buy one-get one free" coupon from GNC...used it for 3 days and puked every night...

    Now I use a capsule form, very cheap from Swanson, I sleep like a baby and feel great when I wake up....Its probably my #2 most important supp , behind creatine...

  49. #49
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    Brisbane, Australia
    Age
    32
    Posts
    7
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Im what you call your typical hard gainer . So not a good thing for bulking up but its easy for me to walk around 365 days a year at less than 4% body fat

    I think it is important to realise that supplements are designed to supplement an already good all round diet ..... not to be the diet itself....hense the name supplement. I have found that most protein powders are much of a muchness however when it comes to creatine I have found that the Liquid Creatine products work better than the powders. They should easily give you 3kg of water retention which will help with strength and muslce gain.

    Hope this helps

  50. #50
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    NYC
    Age
    31
    Posts
    627
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    sesamin and flax help you lose fat. they increase test levels naturally as well as improve insulin sensitivity and the glycemic load of your meals. granted, the improvement is negligible unless you have your diet already tight, if so then they can give u an added boost.

  51. #51
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Gender:
    Age
    41
    Posts
    9
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Currently using:

    1 - Ergopharm AMP - on the intense workout days, best stim I've ever used. Don't use it daily but will usually have a couple on days where I might be dragging ass.

    2 - USP Labs PowerFULL - I get amazing sleep from this(better than ZMA) and can tell I'm making better gains from increase GH

    3 - Purple Wraath - Amino Acids,Beta Alanine,Citrulline Malate - just an awesome product to drink during workouts.

    4 - Scivation VasoCharge - My God. It doesn't get much better than this for pre-workout energy. Between this and Purple Wraath there isn't a day where I dont feel like going to the gym.

    5 - Staples: protein,multi,fish oil,pro-biotics

  52. #52
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Gender:
    Posts
    16
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    nothing now, but when I was working out a lot more, L-glutamine. IMHO, one to the best and safest suppliments you can take.

  53. #53
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    Rockland NY
    Posts
    83
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    AM-5g Creatine Mono, One Scoop Whey Protein

    Snack-Met-Rx MRP Bar (Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough by far best tasting bar ever created)

    Pre Workout-One Scoop of Carb slame and one scoop of Whey Protein
    During Workout-20oz Water w/ scivation xten BCAAs
    Post Workout-Biotest Surge provides a good ration of carbs and protein and some some leucine

    PM-Metabolic Drive Complete for the casein protein to slowly digest while in sleep mode along with some ZMA

    Year round-Multi,Fish Oil, Vitamin A,C,E

    After using the BSN mass stack i wouldnt recommend using NO-Xplode and Nitrix have no clue w/e that did muscle pumps increased vascualarity cough right... if someone truly wants an energy rush to get in the gym frenzy just drink a cup of coffe and spice it up with some arginine and 2 sugars and you should be good to go

  54. #54
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Gender:
    Location
    Iowa
    Posts
    15
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    I have started using BCAA in the morning and before bed time, as well as during workouts.

    I also use a supplement called "Alpha Male" from Bio-Test. It's supposed to increase testosterone production legally.

    I like the multi-vitamin from GNC. And Fish-Oil is a staple in my diet.

  55. #55
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Gender:
    Posts
    208
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    100% optimum whey protein and fish oils
    guys a word of adivce, dont use any cell-tech or bsn products they suck

  56. #56
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Gender:
    Location
    Windsor, Ontario, Canada
    Age
    35
    Posts
    13
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    I just started taking Hydroxycut Hardcore, I'm trying to cut my bodyfat percentage down. Lose a few pounds just all around tighten everything up.

  57. #57
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Gender:
    Posts
    7
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Vitamin C, Centrum Daily, Vitamin D, Fish Oil

    Workout 3 times a week and drink alot of water

  58. #58
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    London, Ontario
    Age
    32
    Posts
    82
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    iso-flex (whey protein)

  59. #59
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Gender:
    Posts
    126
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    what i do is i drink protein (whey) shakes 3 times a day, one in the morning, one before i workout and one before i go to bed, also i take creatine for 2 weeks then i switch to glutamine for 2 weeks (it confuses the body), on top of all that im taking multi-vitamins, fish oil and zinc (zinc increase the production of testosterone)

  60. #60
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    providence
    Age
    39
    Posts
    8
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    multi-vitamins, fish oil, whey protein isolate.

  61. #61
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Gender:
    Posts
    60
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    i personally take l-arginine and l-lysine together (1500 mg each) on an empty stomach before i go to sleep after my workout in the morning. Hopefully its giving me an increase in the production of HGH to boost muscle mass and perhaps even a couple of inches for my height problem!

  62. #62
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Gender:
    Age
    32
    Posts
    13
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    I take weight gain shakes (im 6'1'' 180 but if you saw me you wouldnt think i weighed more than 160) because I am trying to gain about 20 lbs (good pounds). I also take Cr-5 creatine supplements, fish oil, green tea extract, multivitamins. And before I work out I take 200 mg caffiene 2 hrs b4 workout and a scoop of NO-Explode 45 mins before workout. Also a whey/casein protein shake after my workout. GABA before bed. That is about it. I have gained 11 lbs in three months, which is exactly the pace I am trying; 1lb a wk

  63. #63
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Gender:
    Location
    In a place that the community is ALMOST unheard of :)
    Posts
    528
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    i worked in a gym for a while, tried all sorts of supplements. stuck with a mostly BSN cycle. Cell mass, N O Xplod, True mass, Nitrix.
    i went with the twin lab amino fluid.
    17HD testosterone booster.
    i tried a few other testosterone boosters before, got uncontrollably oily skin and broke out with the others, 17HD didn't give me those side effects.
    of course on my daily vitamins and i take my true mass with peanut butter.
    i really had to lower my N O Xplod serving size when i started testosterone. the first time i took it i stuck with my usual N O serving size and accidentally worked out for 4 and a half hours straight. didn't even realize it
    it's my second week working out (stopped a while back to focus on school), already regained 13lbs. stuck at 186lbs for now, comfortable. (picture no my profile)
    sorry for ranting :P
    DON'T FORGET TO OFF CYCLE KIDS!


    *Cheers!*
    -Shift

  64. #64
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    ARGENTINA, Tucumán
    Age
    35
    Posts
    9
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    I'm taking animal pak, but I think I'll start with animal stak. Animal Pak gives me a great amount of energy, my body has now a good shape, but I'm still thin.. So I was consulting to my friend richie who is personal trainer and told me about the great results that he had reached with animal stak as a supplement that improve your muscle mass.

  65. #65
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    London, Ontario
    Age
    32
    Posts
    82
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Iso-Flex -- whey
    Fish Oil
    Creapure creatine

  66. #66
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Gender:
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Posts
    272
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Superpump250 and Whey protein (better if bought at Sams club, its so much cheaper) are the best for muscle building.

  67. #67
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    vernon, canada
    Age
    33
    Posts
    47
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    i been having this mutant mass stuf for about 2 weeks, it comes in 5lb and 15 lb bags. its protien shake powder... AND it doesnt taste like chalk. not dependant on it but it does help when i dont have food in the house or the store is closed. has tons of stuff in it. has anyone else tried it? best after 20 minutes after a work out.

  68. #68
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Gender:
    Age
    33
    Posts
    67
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    The main staples of mine are of course whey protein (have some Whey Protein Isolate Ion-Exchange, some Gemma Protein, and then some Whey Protein Concentrate), creatine ethyle ester, glutamine, waxy maize, cissus quadrangularis (a must for anyone with joint issues), and a good multivitamin.

  69. #69
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Gender:
    Posts
    48
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    whey, creatine, multi-vitamin, joint-relief.

    that is ALL you should be taking.

    you guys who are using all these fancily marketed get-the-pump/pro-hormone supplements are wasting your money.

    if you guys really feel you've plateaued and need to get to the next level (personal decision), stop beating around the bush and just inject.

  70. #70
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Gender:
    Location
    In a place that the community is ALMOST unheard of :)
    Posts
    528
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by JackCarlos View Post
    whey, creatine, multi-vitamin, joint-relief.

    that is ALL you should be taking.

    you guys who are using all these fancily marketed get-the-pump/pro-hormone supplements are wasting your money.

    if you guys really feel you've plateaued and need to get to the next level (personal decision), stop beating around the bush and just inject.
    ur so hardcore. lol
    ur right, the gains i've noticed are probably just imaginary. i don't know where u got your phd, but with age your testosterone level decreases... and seeing as how you don't know all of our ages or situations... who are you to say?
    there's no universal answer to nutrition when it comes to bodybuilding, what works for you works for you, great, but don't even bother telling me i'm wasting my money and i should turn to injectible steroids. you gotta be a noob if that's the best advice you've got lol

  71. #71
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Gender:
    Location
    South Texas.. REALLY south TEXAS
    Age
    33
    Posts
    1,396
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    and shift drops the Bomb...

  72. #72
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Gender:
    Posts
    48
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by _Shift_ View Post
    ur so hardcore. lol
    ur right, the gains i've noticed are probably just imaginary. i don't know where u got your phd, but with age your testosterone level decreases... and seeing as how you don't know all of our ages or situations... who are you to say?
    there's no universal answer to nutrition when it comes to bodybuilding, what works for you works for you, great, but don't even bother telling me i'm wasting my money and i should turn to injectible steroids. you gotta be a noob if that's the best advice you've got lol
    hardcore, is it? any more assumptions? yeah, age is relevant. should i assume yours after reading your post?

    i don't claim to know everything, but i'm pretty sure i know a shitload more than you. first, we're talking about supplements, not nutrition. second, have you studied toxicity levels in prohormones as opposed to injectible steroids? third, do you know at what age approximately your test levels drop so low that it warrants prohormones?

    dude, i could go on and on. i have years of knowledge on you from scientific, peer-evaluated sources and, yes, actual PhDs who happen to be my friends.

    i never said my answer was the only answer. it is, however, an objective answer. yours, on the other hand, is based on subjective experience.

    open a book. learn a thing or two.

    cheers bud.

  73. #73
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Gender:
    Location
    In a place that the community is ALMOST unheard of :)
    Posts
    528
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by JackCarlos View Post
    hardcore, is it? any more assumptions? yeah, age is relevant. should i assume yours after reading your post?

    i don't claim to know everything, but i'm pretty sure i know a shitload more than you. first, we're talking about supplements, not nutrition. second, have you studied toxicity levels in prohormones as opposed to injectible steroids? third, do you know at what age approximately your test levels drop so low that it warrants prohormones?

    dude, i could go on and on. i have years of knowledge on you from scientific, peer-evaluated sources and, yes, actual PhDs who happen to be my friends.

    i never said my answer was the only answer. it is, however, an objective answer. yours, on the other hand, is based on subjective experience.

    open a book. learn a thing or two.

    cheers bud.
    supplementation isn't linked to nutrition? your protein supplementation lands easily under "nutrition" maybe you should open a book

    but if you know more than me that's great, still sound like a newb

    "you guys are wasting your money if you're using pro hormone supplementation"
    that sounds like you think your answer IS the only answer hahahahaha.

    should you assume my age? hell assume all you want, just like you assume you know what ur talking about

    oh yea, and i'm on my last year of my chemistry degree, so sure i'll give ur friends credit where it's due, but you... why give u credit for having smart friends?

  74. #74
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Gender:
    Posts
    48
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by _Shift_ View Post
    supplementation isn't linked to nutrition? your protein supplementation lands easily under "nutrition" maybe you should open a book

    but if you know more than me that's great, still sound like a newb

    "you guys are wasting your money if you're using pro hormone supplementation"
    that sounds like you think your answer IS the only answer hahahahaha.

    should you assume my age? hell assume all you want, just like you assume you know what ur talking about

    oh yea, and i'm on my last year of my chemistry degree, so sure i'll give ur friends credit where it's due, but you... why give u credit for having smart friends?
    whey, being derived from milk, does fall under nutrition. if you read my first post, i encouraged whey protein supplementation. and you had no problem with that.

    your problem was with my stance against prohormones, and that does not fall under nutrition. is that simple enough for you to understand, or should you perhaps have minored in english along with your chemistry degree?

    and on that latter point, it doesn't seem like the chemistry degree helped you much in the way of understanding performance enhancing substances. so pretty much all you've said is you almost have a degree in chemistry and despite that you have no real knowledge about prohormones or steroids. it's okay. i'm sure you excel at some other things in life.

    i'll give you credit for taking refuge in emotions, though. it almost makes up for the lack of substance in your posts.

  75. #75
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Gender:
    Location
    in your ex's arms
    Posts
    6
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by JackCarlos View Post
    stop beating around the bush and just inject.
    that's probably the worst advice i've ever heard.

  76. #76
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Gender:
    Location
    In a place that the community is ALMOST unheard of :)
    Posts
    528
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by _Tweak_ View Post
    that's probably the worst advice i've ever heard.
    lol yea but whatever, hahahahaha(for being so full of knowledge on the topic, his avatar isn't very impressive )...

    either way
    anyone got good suggestions for a good creatine? or tried NOZ Supercharged/Dynamite Xpand/San V12 Turbo?

    What you taking HumorUS?

  77. #77
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Gender:
    Posts
    48
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by _Tweak_ View Post
    that's probably the worst advice i've ever heard.
    so you're advocating prohomones instead of steroids?

    if yes, then you're either a pussy or an idiot, or a combination of the two.

  78. #78
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Gender:
    Posts
    48
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    one final post and then i'm done with this thread.

    i am not encouraging the use of steroids, oral or injectable. i'm simply saying that if you've hit a natural plateau and have made a personal decision to reach the next level, then prohormones and a myriad other supplements are a waste of money in comparison to steroids. with the former, you don't get nearly enough, if anything, for the money you pay. with the latter, you get drastic results, and if you do your cycle and PCT properly there are little to no side-effects.

    if you're just an average joe hitting the gym for fun, then i should say it's unwise at best to take prohormones or steroids. period.

    that should clear things up for the internet warriors who are getting all worked up.

    Cheers boys

  79. #79
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Gender:
    Location
    The BEACH
    Age
    34
    Posts
    1,267
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    im not currently working out but when i was i was taking nitro-tech, creakic, NO2, and glutamine.

    lifting about 5 days a week. and i put on 18lbs in 2 1/2 months. then my summer job started i work on the beach 11 hours a day doing a lot of labor so working out was pointless then and the summer heat caused me to lose about 10lbs of what i gained. but in my summer job it is almost impossible to do my work and lift. im about to get back on a program though

  80. #80
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Gender:
    Age
    39
    Posts
    46
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by _Shift_ View Post
    lol yea but whatever, hahahahaha(for being so full of knowledge on the topic, his avatar isn't very impressive )...

    either way
    anyone got good suggestions for a good creatine? or tried NOZ Supercharged/Dynamite Xpand/San V12 Turbo?

    What you taking HumorUS?
    Products In Bulk Supplies Creatine

  81. #81
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Gender:
    Location
    In a place that the community is ALMOST unheard of :)
    Posts
    528
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by jailhouse View Post
    damn, good prices too... how's it working for you?

  82. #82
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Gender:
    Age
    33
    Posts
    67
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Id recommend creatine ethyl ester in terms of a creatine to use. Just as, if not more effective than monohydrate without the water retention factor.

  83. #83
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Gender:
    Age
    29
    Posts
    163
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    fader like you once were, im a personal trainer right now and the best supplements for serious body builders are whey protein powder, fish oils, beta alanine, zinc and magnesium, creatine, and this new supplement they used to call vitargo, and bcaa's thats all i can think of right now but never over do it theres some side effects to over supplementing, thats intresting fader never knew you were a personal trainer, which certification did you get, i have the a.c.e. certification

  84. #84
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    vernon, canada
    Age
    33
    Posts
    47
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    wait... which of us are taking supplements for muscle and which are taking weight gaining stuff?

    im a skinny guy... but the stuff ive been using + eating frequently + lots of water = me keeping an extra 8 pounds... which is significant on a 5'8'', 130lb guy haha

    me so proud of my slight flab

  85. #85
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Gender:
    Age
    33
    Posts
    4
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Protein: Ultra Peptide 2.0 protein - very good blend of low temp processed protein
    bulknutrition.com

    Post Workout: SURGE + Power Drive - I start drinking this as soon as I'm finished lifting. Time is key.
    t-nation.com/free_online_store

    Depending on your goals..
    During lift: BCAA stack and Beta-Alanine

    Do your research on the above. You will not be disappointed.

  86. #86
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Gender:
    Location
    Tampabay,fl
    Posts
    286
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    optimum nutrition 100% natural whey protein vanilla

  87. #87
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Gender:
    Age
    29
    Posts
    163
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    you know i wasnt even aware so much people knew alot about supplements but everyone seems to be taking something or another

  88. #88
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Gender:
    Posts
    31
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    no xplode sucks. superpump250 is the shit for pre workout. look for nosynthesize, its got creatine and protein peptides, and glutamine. those are the only 2 i use continuosly. i take extra beta alanine and glutamine, definitely protein shakes during the day as snacks, casein is good. i also take natural testosterone booster like tribulus, and DIM, which blocks the bad estrogen. antioxidants blend to fight the free radicals created by the workout and help with recovery. multivitamins and lots of water.

  89. #89
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Gender:
    Age
    35
    Posts
    15
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    super pump 250 is great, you may want to add Size from Gaspari to. Works great

  90. #90
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Gender:
    Age
    34
    Posts
    64
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    I take freak fix, size on and aminovol works really well, when i go off of Size on for a month i go on Leukic hardocre or some type of mass formula

  91. #91
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Gender:
    Age
    30
    Posts
    69
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    ive been training for close to 2 years now. used to train when i was young, but it was mindless bench press and bicep curls, which is all me and my mates knew.

    last year i stripped 15kg of fat off me, using HIIT, went from 74 kg to 59ish and was more ripped than ive ever been. this year i train 4 sessions, arms, back, chest, shoulders- (dont crusify or lecture me on legs lol). spent january to end of sept gaining weight, cut the cardio, and put on 12kgs- of course some if not alot was fat, as i lost fair bit of definition, but overall strength went through the roof, and overall everywhere got alot bigger.

    as for supp's, i love optimum whey, used that for over a year, love NO XPLODE, that stuff is wonderful imo.. at mmt im usin superpump 250, good stuff, but personally i rate no xplode as the bst pre workout..

    heres my question after my story... do u believe its better to try and get bigger? or do ppl here much rather being ripped? i mean, i still have no gut at all, but my stomach has half the definition it had last year. but on sayin that, everywhere else ive made much much bigger.

  92. #92
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    I am def a huge fan of sp250. I came home from work, bitched about my day to my friend while I slowly sipped it and now boom instant energy rush.

    Anyone have any suggesti0ns for ZMA or Fish Oil or does the brand not matter?
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  93. #93
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by TigerEye View Post
    no xplode sucks. superpump250 is the shit for pre workout. look for nosynthesize, its got creatine and protein peptides, and glutamine. those are the only 2 i use continuosly. i take extra beta alanine and glutamine, definitely protein shakes during the day as snacks, casein is good. i also take natural testosterone booster like tribulus, and DIM, which blocks the bad estrogen. antioxidants blend to fight the free radicals created by the workout and help with recovery. multivitamins and lots of water.
    Agreed no xplode blows. What is beta alanine for? A female friend who works for a supp company gave me 2 huge bottles. I heard mixed things about tribulus boosting test.
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  94. #94
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Gender:
    Age
    34
    Posts
    64
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Beta alanine is a strength enhancer, it is neccessary to produce, L Carinosine.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fader View Post
    Agreed no xplode blows. What is beta alanine for? A female friend who works for a supp company gave me 2 huge bottles. I heard mixed things about tribulus boosting test.

  95. #95
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    Rockland NY
    Posts
    83
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    For fish oil Ive used biotest flameout its a higher potency in terms EPA and DHA levels compared to other brands and it has the added benefit of including CLA as far as ZMA goes pretty much the same mg's of zinc and magnesium across the board for most major brands

  96. #96
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by elrey316 View Post
    For fish oil Ive used biotest flameout its a higher potency in terms EPA and DHA levels compared to other brands and it has the added benefit of including CLA as far as ZMA goes pretty much the same mg's of zinc and magnesium across the board for most major brands
    Good looks thanks bro.
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


  97. #97
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Gender:
    Location
    London, Ontario
    Age
    32
    Posts
    82
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    currently taking whey, dextrose (i'm pretty low BF% and can afford the extra carbs), BCAA's, magnesium, zinc, fish oil, and creatine. might pick up some beta-alanine soon.

  98. #98
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Gender:
    Age
    32
    Posts
    7
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, I am currently taking ephedra/caffeine stack to lose the extra fat. I have been doing a keto cut for the past 8 weeks and have lost 30 lbs. Just started a week ago with the ephedra/caffeine.

  99. #99
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Gender:
    Posts
    3
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Using a Trueprotein of 50% Microfiltrate + 50% regular whey and ocassionally Team skip

    Plan on taking Trueprotein'd Buzzsaw and beta alanine when i can get somebody to carry em down my side of the world

    will start taking green tea when i reacha sticking point with my fat loss

  100. #100
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Gender:
    Location
    keepin nyc / nj dancers in check
    Posts
    3,872
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Quote Originally Posted by shortys9 View Post
    surprised nobody has mentioned this yet, I am currently taking ephedra/caffeine stack to lose the extra fat. I have been doing a keto cut for the past 8 weeks and have lost 30 lbs. Just started a week ago with the ephedra/caffeine.
    Gotta mix it with asprin or white willow bark for the eca stack to be synergestic. I have vintage stackers from 2001 but I take them for energy. Now I take sp250 for preworkout. Ordered the preworkout from controlled labs will let you know how that is
    View Full Profile: Click Here 200 + Reviews (Most In Company History): http://www.theattractionforums.com/t...iew_fader.html (watch my journey from student to approach coach, to instructor, to master instructor, to stripper destroyer).

    Best quote from a workshop review ever "Overall this bootcamp was a short colombian 10, his teaching ability is a 10, and his game is a 10."

    My Bootcamp Schedule:
    NOPE

    Don't Be A Victim (click, read & change your life)

    play2win
    : There comes a point in everyone's life where they either have their dreams or the reasons they dont. You're the hero of your own story..... write a good one.

    Try Walking In My Shoes
    You'll Stumble In My Footsteps


Bookmarks

Posting Permissions



Facebook  Twitter