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    Vercetti- Sub Comms Q&A -Body Language, Voice, Presence, Beliefs

    Hey Lads,

    As many may know I'm passionate about teaching Sub Communications, I've trained and professionally as an Actor and have been teaching this stuff for a couple of years now. These issues are easier to teach in person but I wanted to offer a free resource to help guys get their questions answered and receive practical tips to impliment immediately.

    I've divided Sub Communications into 4 Categories in order to make it easier to teach.

    1. Body Language
    This is includes posture and alignment, relaxation, what to do with your hands, eye contact etc

    2. Vocal Quality
    Things like tonality, clarity, projection, articulation etc.

    3. Presence and Movement
    These are more advanced concepts - I talk about Standing out from the crowd, drawing attention, displaying sexual intent through movement and touch.

    4. Beliefs
    What's going on in your head throughout an interaction, limiting beliefs etc.



    So feel free to ask any questions on these topics.

    A few rules and guidelines

    1. One question at a time: wait for my reply and then ask another one.
    2. Make sure the question you're going to ask hasn't been answered already in an earlier reply
    3. No question is a stupid question
    4. Be patient, my schedule is pretty crazy at the moment with teaching, acting and project rockstar, so please give me a chance to reply.

    that's about it...Let the games begin.

    V



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    Cheers for the opportunity V!

    I've a few questions - but I'll start off with this:

    How can I change what I subcommunicate - when a lot of people pick up my subcommunications as totally different from the reality.

    I'll give a few examples - when I'm out with friends at night, in a club - some will say I look really nervous - when I'm not nervous (this is just having a good time with mates - nothing to do with girls at this point). Often saying my shoulders don't look relaxed - even when it's just how I am - mentally, I'm enjoying myself, and not at all feeling anything negative or whatever - but I appear to be projecting that I'm nervous, out of place.

    Another example is that when someone cracks a joke at my expense - in good humour, rather than in spite - no matter what reaction I give out - they always seem to act like they need to tell me they're kidding/act as if I'm taking it badly. Most times - it's water off a ducks back, and I couldn't give a monkeys, bit of fun and I'm not remotely offended/upset - yet I seem to be subcommunicating every time that I'm upset or something - as they nearly always apologise/have to say they're kidding - when I know full well they are.

    What can I do to change this - as I think this is being reflected in many areas of my social interactions, if people just short of my best friends don't seem to get how I'm actually feeling - so I'd like to try and correct this.

    (hope that makes sense)
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    Vercetti, thanks for doing this and giving back so much to the forums.

    My question is on the topic of vocal quality:
    As an actor, do you have any tips/resources regarding improving articulation and changing one's accent for guys whose mother tongue is not english?

    miaddict
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vercetti View Post
    3. Presence and Movement
    These are more advanced concepts - I talk about Standing out from the crowd, drawing attention, displaying sexual intent through movement and touch
    What examples do you have for each of these?

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    Can you recommend any exercises to deepen your voice?

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    Do you have any tips on how to make your voice more enthusiastic sounding, and instead of monotone? I.E. Not sounding like you are reading off a teleprompter. My voice is naturally somewhat deep, but I fear I come off as sounding bored even when that is not the case.

    Also, I'd like to second MiLLo's question. I have similar problems.

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    Out of the 4 subjects you mentioned, which do you believe is the most necessary? why? and can you state the most necessary part about that specific subject?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vercetti View Post
    4. Beliefs
    What's going on in your head throughout an interaction, limiting beliefs etc.

    So feel free to ask any questions on these topics.

    Hey V, I have this limiting beliefs on gaming mixed sets and group sets (more than 2 girls) in day game. I believe day game is your specialty as well.

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    in terms of body language, what should I be looking for in a girl if she is interested

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    Where would you place your hands if you are simply standing there having a normal conversation or waiting? Would be best if you could provide a picture too

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    Millo,
    1. Shoulder Tension - This is huge in most people, if you've been sitting in front of a computer, weight training or just generally going through life with all its stresses, you're going to accumulate tension in various areas in your body. The scary thing is that sometimes we get so used to the tension that we don't even know it's there.
    * Get a professional massage. A massage at least once a month will work wonders. Stretch out in the morning and after a gym work out. The shoulders require a lot of stretching and mobilizing and if you don’t incorporate some kind of routine every day, chances are you’ll be storing tension.

    2. I have no idea what you look like so this you’ll have to judge this for yourself; sometimes our Body betray our internal state. For example, in London, people are generally grumpy (Shitty weather, average girls), and it shows it their face, the muscle memory gets set in this grumpy position, so even when they think they’re projecting happiness or even neutral, they still look grumpy.

    Lawrence Olivier did this, get a dressing table mirror, one of the concaved ones that magnify your face and analyze what your face is doing. Play with different expressions and see how responsive your face is.

    I believe there are over 50 muscles in our face and they, like any other group, need exercising and stretching in order for them to be responsive.
    There’s more, but try that for now.

    Miaddict

    Hey mate,
    Similar advice as I gave for Millo, remember that the we use muscles to form sounds, the agility of those muscle will greatly affect one’s ability to form sounds i.e. articulation.

    To improve your articulation you have to focus first on increasing your muscular agility. Stretching out your face (Pulling funny faces), and stretching out your tongue (Imagine that your cleaning the front of your teeth with your tongue, going around in circles, both directions).

    And then do the following tongue twisters every day before you wash your face:
    • "Articulatory agility is a desirable ability manipulating with dexterity the tongue, the palate, and the lips".
    • "Red leather, yellow leather". (repeat 5 times)
    • "The tip of the tongue, the teeth, the lips". (repeat 5 times)
    • "The back of the tongue and the tip of the tongue". (repeat 5 times)

    The focus is on clarity and precision rather than speed, take time to pronounce all the words correctly.

    Hope it helps.

    Ferrari,
    I’m going to keep the Q&A as specific as possible, if there is something that you’re stuck on a the moment that I can help with I’m more than happy to assist like the questions from the Lads above.

    Sling

    1. First and foremost if you’re like most of my students who are trying for a deeper voice, you’re probably creating tension in your throat as you try to push to force your voice down. So stop! Relaxation is the key to freeing your voice and giving you access to your lower registers.
    There should be absolutely no tension in your throat when you speak.

    2. Hum a lot. Imagine one of those graphic equalizers, if you’re conscious of having a high frequency voice it’s like cutting the bottom end off the G.E. By humming and tapping your chest, you stimulate vibrations in your chest cavity which adds a new dynamic to your sound making it richer and fuller. This is one of the those hard topics to write about and I’ll address it in my upcoming webisodes on Sub Comms

    Alfie

    You have the exact same issue I had when I first started Drama school. And it’s the exact opposite of Slings.

    1. Relaxation (This will be a reoccurring theme)
    2. Intent in communicating – What are you trying to say, if you can get enthused about it, don’t expect anyone else to. We can create barriers with our voice, which stops us truly letting people in, chances are you’ve detached emotionally from your conversation when you feel like you’re in a boring tone. Practise speaking genuinely and increasing the amount of passion that you communicate with.
    3. Hum a lot, but for you focus on feeling vibrations in the top of your head and the front of you face. So as you hum (on different keys) keep a hand on those areas and really focus on creating vibrations in those areas (Again, harder to write about and I’ll cover it in the video coming soon)

    Doctor
    As I said to Ferrari, I want to keep this Q&A specific to people that have issues they want help with.
    I teach sub communications as the core foundation of game, you can learn lines and routines all day long, But if your Body Language portrays low value, you’re voice sounds like a school girls, you move like a man who doesn’t get laid and you have a limiting belief system then you’re not going to get very far with the women you interact with.

    Sys,
    Thanks for the question. The thing about limiting beliefs is that unless you highlight, Isolate, and destroy them, they’ll keep coming back to haunt you.
    Read my post about negative reactions and approaching the mixed sets, if you’re still struggling after reading and applying the techniques on NUMEROUS sets ), holla at me again.
    http://www.theattractionforums.com/v...reactions.html
    http://www.theattractionforums.com/v...y-success.html

    Hard Luck,
    Hey mate, I used to teach the gay bar test that Sheriff taught me back in the day – so anything that she is doing that you wouldn’t do to a dude in a gay bar is classed as interest. Now, credit Soul, if she is still there, that’s all the interested, I need. Now I say her interest is the absence of an objection to my escalation. So, instead of looking for signals, escalate the interaction until she gives resistance, stop at the point of resistance, engage her emotional mind and escalate some more. Push the boundaries; you’ll be surprised what happens.

    Hope it all helps, keep the questions coming and like I said, stay posted for the videos coming so, it’s a lot easier to learn this stuff when you SEE how it’s supposed to be done rather than read it.

    This stuff is completely practical and personal, if you feel as if you want specific one to one attention; I travel the world teaching this stuff, shoot me an email and let’s talk. vercetti@lovesystems.com

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    Can you give me an example on the type of body language I need to express in order to stand out from the crowd and draw attention?

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    Hey V!

    Great to see you with this awesome questions and answer post!

    The questions I wanted to ask you were already asked and man your answers were crystal clear and so very practical.

    I wanted to ask this though. i remember when we were in NY for the one on one with Soul and we were going through the comfort stories you told me to re-live it and feel it. So this will match a lower voice tone, and facial muscles and eyes more like 'living' the story or emotions.

    The same with when you give a sexual compliment you will use a slower sexier voice and seductive eye contact.

    Now these are just two categories. For ease of learning and habit forming can your facial expressions, eye contact and voice tone be broken down into different classifications to match what you are trying to do? So let's say that she is a student and I am telling her about my days as a student..then this is just normal conversation vs me telling her about how being a student felt and what it did for me. How should the body language, facial expressions voice tone, eye contact etc match?

    Thanks man,

    SB

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    Hey V!
    First off,, we all appriciate for this opportunity.

    1)No doubt about it body language, tonality and presence is reflecting our beliefs. So it probably will make sense non-verbal communication is directly related to our inner game. "Fake it till you make it" is a general idea behind fixing non-verbal communication in the forum. Do you believe that is it possible to display perfect non-verbal communication just by working when we are having inner game issues and toxic beliefs which are severely jeopardising our game?

    2)In your "destroy your negative reactions" article, u stress how to avoid nervous attidutes towards approach anxieties and shit tests. You are quite convincing about how to generate confident reactions and if we take it one step further, i personally believe changing core beliefs will itself reduce nervous gestures,, and will itself put us in the moment. So what are your recommendations about changing and destroying our negative beliefs and perspectives?

    3)Hands are playing huge role in non-verbal communication. it very easy to understand whether the player is comfortable\confident or nervous. What do you recommend about "hand gestures".

    4)(it is not same with 2nd question). if a person wants to be very effective in non-verbal communication,, besides of training, that person should be comfortable\confident in general. This is impossible if that person has insecurities. Insecurities can be about anything and its very normal to have some. In order to change core beliefs\figthing insecurities which are like chains locking us down, what kind of simple prescriptions u would recommend about making slight changes in our beliefs and after how much amount of time it may begin to streghthen our non-verbal communication.

    These are my questions. Looking forward to see your lifechanging answers
    Hope they make sense..
    Cheers
    R

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    Hey Vercetti thanks for the Q&A.


    How do you move in a set? It is said that the male with the largest, most space-taking hand gestures is the most alpha. Yet I feel like I'm somehow qualifying myself when I make a lot of hand gestures.
    When telling a story, for example... should I make hand gestures (almost "talk" with my hands) or better off not move them?

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    hmm, thought you may have forgot about my post so I'm gonna repost my question:

    Where would you place your hands if you are simply standing there having a normal conversation or waiting? Would be best if you could provide a picture too

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    Hand Gestures During Game?

    Hi Vercetti,

    thanks for holding a Q & A

    i haven't day gamed for what feels like an eternity, but got back into it a couple weeks back and it feels great to be on the streets again

    when im out with my wing i always ask about my body language, opener, girls reaction etc..(sometimes you dont realise these things, even if its happening right under your nose!)

    Two things he picked up on..

    1. i use my hands a bit.. i naturally gesture with my hands, so when i'm in set i use hand gestures when talking to help illustrate my points. i dont mean drawing diagrams in mid-air! just simple gestures... I also do it as i might brush her arm a little, just slightly for some extremely light kino. Should i stop gesturing with my hands and leave them by my sides?

    2. this happened a couple times, when i'm asking a girls name and dont hear it the first time, or it's not an easy name to remember, i'll ask her again and lean in slightly so i'll definitely hear it properly the second time.. My wing pointed it out, so just wondering if it demonstrates low value, like it does in night game?

    all or any feedback is greatly appreciated

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    Hey V, I don't know what is happening to me, I used to be unstoppable during day time but now, after not gaming for a while, It is very hard for me to get back gaming again. AA always kicks in.

    Is there something wrong with that? Is there anything wrong maybe with my mindset or believe? or what?

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    Vercetti:

    What are your top cues/techniques/practices in developing presence?

    I read a book called "Acting Techniques for Everyday Life" and it talked about taking up a character to start acting a certain way, is this something you advocate?

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    I have a question about telegraphing interest.

    I seem to be telegraphing interest or flirting when I make conversation with HBs. I'm generally unaware of what I'm doing to make this impression, other than the fact I'm sometimes genuinely interested in other people, but that's controllable.
    Do you have any suggestion about what signs do I give? or how to look out and eliminate them.

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    Hi Lads, Apologies for the delayed replies. Been teaching abroad, working and preparing for the Super Conference. I'll have all your questions answered in with the next week.

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    Hey Vercetti,

    Thanks for doing this. A couple quick questions:

    1. How should you be talking in a smaller, quieter area? Loud enough to be heard by everyone or just loud enough for the person you're speaking to. Sometimes I feel like I'm talking too loud or too soft in small areas.

    2. I read somewhere that when you're sitting down, your lower spine should be against the back of the seat. When I try this, I feel uncomfortable at times and feel stiff. What's the best way to sit down anywhere and have an alpha presence without looking too stiff and comfortable? Should I be following this lower spine stuff til I feel comfortable or is this just unnecessary crap?

    Thanks!

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    1. How much space should I take when sitting or standing in the group and should I always try to take more space than the other males in the group to achievie dominance? Taking much space is known to be an Alpha quality, but too much always seems to be bad...

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    What are some things to keep in mind, when trying to reflect a strong sub-communication?

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    I'll write this one down before I forget.
    Can I FTC with my body language (for example, facing her a bit sideways and weight on the back foot like I'm going to eject any second now) alone, or do I have to actually do it verbally?

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    hi vercetti,
    thanks for doing this.

    what do you think of the alexander technique? i hear a lot of actors do it. is it a good way to improve your body language and subcommunications?

    also, how much do you feel subcommunications are things that have to be specifically worked on, and how much do you think they'll improve naturally as you get better with women and your confidence and inner game inprove?

    thanks,

    chica

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    hey V, thanks for putting this together. awesome idea.

    just a question on presence- im wondering how i can stand out from the crowd and make myself seem more present in an interaction and within a group. i have read all of Eckhart Tolle's material and find that stuff really helpful and intuitively i have calibrated the slightest movements in order to stand out from the crowd. i can't even explain these movements in detail because its simply intuition i have known to make me stand out, unconscious microcalibrations. do you have any advice to make yourself stand out when you are with a group of guys and in a club.

    some of my thoughts are:
    -walk and move slower than everyone else
    -work on making my eye contact more present
    -i also find myself more comfortable when im in my house, so i have make it a technique to imagine myself moving like i would as if i was just chillin at my house (it does wonders for presence) everyone else is moving as if they are anxious in a club and im just relaxed chillin in my house.

    anything else?

    thanks a ton!!

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    Storm Boy
    How should the body language, facial expressions voice tone, eye contact etc match?


    Here’s the thing with all your facial expressions and voice tone etc, you should do the work on them prior to going into the field to ensure that they are working for you without too much conscious thought in the moment.

    The aim is to regularly exercise your Face, Body, voice so that it is responsive to your command and under your control. As a starting point get your voice to the point where it accurately portrays your intensions. For example If you are being playful and teasing yet your tone sounds serious due a lack of vocal agility then you know there is work to be done in the voice department. I’ve got a Post on Voice coming up shortly.



    Rennato
    Do you believe that is it possible to display perfect non-verbal communication just by working when we are having inner game issues and toxic beliefs which are severely jeopardising our game?

    You need to work on inner and outer game at the same time. These are life skills and take time to develop. Is it possible to have messed up inner game and yet display strong Sub Comms, yep, I’ve seen it many times. You have to have an awareness first and foremost of what your body is communicating to other people.


    Hands are playing huge role in non-verbal communication. it very easy to understand whether the player is comfortable\confident or nervous. What do you recommend about "hand gestures"?


    Give hands something to do, the old pinch your middle finger and thumb together. In the movement quality section that I teach we imagine moving through mud and letting that sensation move through your whole body. The problem generally is not that people use hand gestures, it’s the speed at which they move that can be very distracting.

    If you practice moving smoothly with your hands imagining that you are moving through thick mud whilst still speaking at your normal pace, the contrast can be mesmerising! Failing that, Thumbs in pockets, Hands by your side...the problem with these examples with your hands doing nothing is that it then becomes a big gesture when you reach out to touch her, if you make your movement an extension of you speech then touching her as part of your conversation becomes natural.

    So what are your recommendations about changing and destroying our negative beliefs and perspectives?

    Follow a similar process that I outlined in my post about Negative Reactions
    This is a simple process is it easy..? Well that depends on how deeply rooted the belief is, some are harder than others to replace.

    1. Highlight a Negative Limiting belief
    2. Increase the pain attached to keeping this belief – Past and Present Pain + Future compounded pain (20yrs down the line still having this belief
    3. Choose a New more Productive belief
    4. Seek Reference experiences to Root the new belief

    a. External references – Mentors
    b. Personal – Things you have already experiences that support the new belief


    I like the way Tony Robbins puts it, Beliefs are just feelings of certainty that we have about a certain idea. So an Idea is like a Table top without any legs, the legs are reference experiences that ground that idea and turn it into a belief.

    Highlighting your negative and limiting belief is probably the hardest part because they are often hidden away in our ego or our sense of self – “I believe XYZ, it’s just the way I am” so then for someone to change a belief it challenge stheir sense of self which can be extremely difficult to deal with.

    I’ve gone through spells of challenging my limiting beliefs with such intensity and questioned what I believed to a point where I felt I didn’t know myself (I’m not recommending going for it this hard), I hit rock bottom but who I’ve become because of that experience and the level of self awareness that I’ve developed on the otherside has made me so much stronger than I was! Now I create belief that serve my greater purpose and build the reference experience to root the new beliefs.

    A good way to highlight limiting beliefs is to find good mentors who are having success in the area that you want but don’t currently have success. Now here’s the important thing, don’t just look at the result they get, look at their way of evaluating the process e.g. “Meeting women is a fun adventure where you never know what will happen” as opposed to “I hope she doesn’t reject me” or “If this doesn’t go well everyone will laugh at me”.

    Honestly compare your thought process and your beliefs, the difference in belief usually reflects the difference in success.


    Voodooz
    How do you move in a set? It is said that the male with the largest, most space-taking hand gestures is the most alpha. Yet I feel like I'm somehow qualifying myself when I make a lot of hand gestures.
    When telling a story, for example... should I make hand gestures (almost "talk" with my hands) or better off not move them?


    Having relaxed open body language says more about your confidence than trying to take up the most space by doing grand gestures, if you feel try hard then listen to what your body is telling you. Don’t do anything that closes of your body or makes you shrink or take up less space but don’t feel as if you have to over extend yourself.

    Nilz

    This happened a couple times, when i'm asking a girls name and dont hear it the first time, or it's not an easy name to remember, i'll ask her again and lean in slightly so i'll definitely hear it properly the second time.. My wing pointed it out, so just wondering if it demonstrates low value, like it does in night game?


    If I don’t hear someone I do a few different things depending on my perceived value in the set

    1. Use my LEGS and step in closer - I try not to peck in from the waist and lean in to hear her.
    2. Pull her in to get her to repeat what she just said.
    3. Point to my ear and tell her to say it again, she'll come in closer and say it again.

    SYS
    Hey V, I don't know what is happening to me, I used to be unstoppable during day time but now, after not gaming for a while, It is very hard for me to get back gaming again. AA always kicks in.

    Is there something wrong with that? Is there anything wrong maybe with my mindset or believe? or what?


    Mate as Mystery said years ago, it’s like jumping into the cold pool, you’ve been out of the pool for a while and now you have to jump back in again and get used to it. Set mini missions for yourself if you don’t want to dive straight back in but it’s going to be uncomfortable for the first few sets until you get back up to speed.


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    What are your top cues/techniques/practices in developing presence?

    I read a book called "Acting Techniques for Everyday Life" and it talked about taking up a character to start acting a certain way, is this something you advocate?



    • Increased Presence is the result of
    o Developing Sensory Acuity – The ability to use our senses to make accurate observations about ourselves or other people. Being alert to the environment and the effect it has on your body. This brings you into the moment.
    o Spatial Awareness – Having a developed sense of your surrounding space and your relation to it. Spatial awareness requires that we have a model of the three dimensional space around us

    • Do things like Yoga – for sensory acuity, Salsa/Dance for spatial Awareness.

    • I teach other methods of developing Presence but they are practical and difficult to write about.

    Krytek
    I seem to be telegraphing interest or flirting when I make conversation with HBs. I'm generally unaware of what I'm doing to make this impression, other than the fact I'm sometimes genuinely interested in other people, but that's controllable.
    Do you have any suggestion about what signs do I give? or how to look out and eliminate them.



    It's hard to tell without seeing you in set. Be aware of how much of your attention you give to a group early in the interaction. For example if you are facing a woman fully and she is disengaged, with her body only slightly facing you then who looks more interested in the interaction? Make sure that you are locking in as early as possible, if you don’t know what Locking in means get magic bullets. Makes sure you're not leaning in as you're talking or listening early in the interaction.

    Can I FTC with my body language (for example, facing her a bit sideways and weight on the back foot like I'm going to eject any second now) alone, or do I have to actually do it verbally?

    A general rule of thumb for me is “Don’t SAY anything that you can portray with your Body”. So if you can effectively FTC with your body language alone, that is perfect. If you want to then reinforce it verbally then you have that as an option.

    Sansay
    1. How should you be talking in a smaller, quieter area? Loud enough to be heard by everyone or just loud enough for the person you're speaking to. Sometimes I feel like I'm talking too loud or too soft in small areas.

    Speak loud enough so that your listeners can hear you without strain. This means that you adjust to your environment.

    2. I read somewhere that when you're sitting down, your lower spine should be against the back of the seat. When I try this, I feel uncomfortable at times and feel stiff. What's the best way to sit down anywhere and have an alpha presence without looking too stiff and comfortable? Should I be following this lower spine stuff til I feel comfortable or is this just unnecessary crap?


    Good chairs are designed to facilitate good posture, when you use the back of the chair and sit on your “Sitting Bones” (the bones in you butt), then you should be able to relax and look comfortable in the chair. See some of the images below (not great but examples none the less)









    Sinque
    What are some things to keep in mind, when trying to reflect a strong sub-communication?


    Relax in the environment – If you can get the sensation of being “at home” and comfortable where ever you are then that sends out very strong positive signals.

    Chicheebee
    what do you think of the alexander technique? i hear a lot of actors do it. is it a good way to improve your body language and subcommunications?



    Alexander Technique is awesome! If you can get to do it then go for it.

    also, how much do you feel subcommunications are things that have to be specifically worked on, and how much do you think they'll improve naturally as you get better with women and your confidence and inner game inprove?

    Some things may naturally improve, the things related to confidence, if you have nervous ticks that are the result of you feeling uncomfortable talking to women then they’ll hopefully disappear as a result of improved skill. However, I don’t know any guys that have got exceptionally good with women who have not worked on their Sub Comms – Not one!

    TopGun

    Contrast Movement in Speed and direction – Slower or Faster – experiment with both; Moving directly to a spot with purpose and drive is as effective a way of standing out as moving slowly and gliding through. It’s not the SPEED so much as the CONTRAST to what is going on around you.

    Also Vulnerability in a “hostile” environment full of competition, loud music, alcohol etc and being comfortable is a sign of strength in itself. Being relaxed, having open body language without trying to dominate and over power others is a rare quality.

    Hope these answers help guys, keep them coming. I'll be doing videos shortly for the Lovesystems channel to demonstrate some of the things I talk about aswell as doing 1-1 training, I'm well aware that a lot of this stuff is easier to observe than it is to read about.

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    Thanks man!!!

    Thanks Vercetti,

    i appreciate you taking the time out to answer our questions. i can definetly understand the whole contrast movement would make a difference and it is not necessarily based on your speed, but contrast against those around you.

    love,

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    Thank you for doing this. Totally awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Gunn View Post
    Thanks Vercetti,

    i appreciate you taking the time out to answer our questions. i can definetly understand the whole contrast movement would make a difference and it is not necessarily based on your speed, but contrast against those around you.

    love,

    TG
    Quote Originally Posted by krytek View Post
    Thank you for doing this. Totally awesome.
    You're welcome lads, apply the suggestions and then holla back if you have more questions

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    Thanks

    Thanks V!!!!...you are awesome here just as you are in person!

    Keep it up!

    SB

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    differences in height affect body language

    I'm 5'8 so a lot of my targets when I'm out are wearing heels and often taller than me. I read somewhere to always be looking down on ur set/target. Should one modify their body language when their target is the same height or taller?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormboy View Post
    Thanks V!!!!...you are awesome here just as you are in person!

    Keep it up!

    SB
    Thanks mate.

    Quote Originally Posted by papachulo View Post
    I'm 5'8 so a lot of my targets when I'm out are wearing heels and often taller than me. I read somewhere to always be looking down on ur set/target. Should one modify their body language when their target is the same height or taller?
    Hey mate,
    a couple of things that you can do
    1. Use your eyes - This may sound weird but try it, instead of looking up using just your head use your eyes.
    2. I had these awesome shoes that gave me about 4 extra inches without anyone being able to tell! They're call Altitude Shoes, they're pretty pimp
    Mens Height Increasing Shoes, Shoes That Make You Taller, Tips to Get Taller | Altitudeshoes.com
    3. Be sure to make your height a feature in your game

    "If you were just a little bit Taller, I'd take you back to mummy!"
    "I'd don't normally date girls as short as you but you're sexy"
    Have a play with it, see what you come up with. Then you can always just ignore it and more on.

    Hope it helps

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    Hey V, thanks for answering our questions. I have one more then I'm out.

    Someone already asked this but I don't see an answer to it, what do you do with your hands during a conversation? I tried Tyler Durden's advice of putting them in the back pocket but that looks kind of faggy after a while and when I just keep them out of my pockets, I feel like they're just hanging awkwardly. Any suggestions?

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    thanks for the advice. it's nice to see an instructor who focuses on sub-communications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sansay View Post
    Hey V, thanks for answering our questions. I have one more then I'm out.

    Someone already asked this but I don't see an answer to it, what do you do with your hands during a conversation? I tried Tyler Durden's advice of putting them in the back pocket but that looks kind of faggy after a while and when I just keep them out of my pockets, I feel like they're just hanging awkwardly. Any suggestions?
    Hey mate, I answered it in an earlier post.
    Keep questions coming lads.

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    Vercetti you the man,
    black power and all that

    erm

    seriously though, When going into sets, what short term subtext do you adopt.
    I mean in terms of acting, do you assume prior relationships with cold approaches ?

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    Hey V,

    I have another one to ask. I need clarification on the amount of eye contact you should hold and when you should break it. For e.g. in day game when I open I will hold the eye contact intense and don't be too smiley. But if you hold contact for too long it can come across as weird. Another guy was telling me that you should break it occasionally by doing a triangular gaze or maybe looking away intentionally. Any guidelines on this?

    Thanks,
    SB

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    Hi there V,

    Im a hardcore fan of SubCommunication. Thats how animal do it, they have no logic/words.
    Anyway back to my question/s:
    1. Voice projection. Due to being not born in an English speaking country, I sometimes mumble / am not fluent. Also ppl have told me I always sound like I jst woke up when Im talking on the phone. I try to project a deep, 'laid back' voice, but Idk if I should work more on it and how to work on it.
    2. I c some PUAs have a playful 'girly' voice. I dont wanna stereotype, however can u confirm, that 'the badass(Im the boss attitude)' subcomm is better than 'the funny nice guy(haha lets joke and be as girly as possible attitude)' subcomm.

    Cheers,
    Hitman

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    Top quality. Thanks V.

    /edit:
    A few days ago I brought a girl home after some solid game (lots of qualification and comfort), and now she feels like we're heading towards a relationship. Any way to frame an interaction sexually with subcoms? Make that sexy vibe happen, not the cuddly titanic one.

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    Vercetti is the real deal!
    TGO

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    In the introduction to this thread, you mentioned communicating sexual intent through movement. What are some of the ways you do this?

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    good stuff man,

    thank u for the insight.

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    Hey V,

    Any tips on finding a sub coms/voice coach in the area? Thanks for the posts, good stuff!

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    thanks for taking the time to do this.
    can you recommend a good, not too expensive chair to help with posture when working at a computer?

    thanks

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    StormBoy
    Hey V,

    I have another one to ask. I need clarification on the amount of eye contact you should hold and when you should break it. For e.g. in day game when I open I will hold the eye contact intense and don't be too smiley. But if you hold contact for too long it can come across as weird. Another guy was telling me that you should break it occasionally by doing a triangular gaze or maybe looking away intentionally. Any guidelines on this?

    Thanks,
    SB

    Hey Storm Boy,
    I was with Soul in Stockholm, he said you’ve been killing it lately man, moving on leaps and bounds! Great to hear man!
    With eye contact you can play with this, there are some guys that have really intense eyes that can be overbearing if they gaze for too long. You can Use your eyes to convey your inner intension even while you talk about a different topic...For example, I could be talking about what I had for breakfast or listening to her while thinking about all the filthy shit I’m gonna do with her and that will be communicated through my eyes. Another thing I like to do (and as I said play with this cause you don’t want to break away too long) is while I’m telling a story is look away as I remember details or access emotions...this gives her an opportunity to relax and “watch” you (The way a camera watches an Actor), and enables you to tell “DHV” stories without seemingly looking for responses. It’s a difficult skill at first but hugely powerful, think about a close up in a film, you can see the characters thoughts as you watch them you’re more easily able to empathise with them, but they are not looking directly at you. Eye contact should be relaxed unless you’re giving her intense eye contact for the purpose of communicating sexual intent. Either way it becomes difficult to think about in the moment so be willing to play with it.


    Hitman
    Hi there V,

    Im a hardcore fan of SubCommunication. Thats how animal do it, they have no logic/words.
    Anyway back to my question/s:
    1. Voice projection. Due to being not born in an English speaking country, I sometimes mumble / am not fluent. Also ppl have told me I always sound like I jst woke up when Im talking on the phone. I try to project a deep, 'laid back' voice, but Idk if I should work more on it and how to work on it.

    I’ve worked with a ton of students whose first language is not English and most have a similar challenge. You have to work on your articulation. Your words are formed using the muscles in your face, the lips, the tongue and the soft palate, so the biggest challenge is to make them agile and responsive. Then you have to work on the specific sounds. All the Vowels and Consonants in the English language, break it down and work on pronouncing them properly. A great book of tongue twisters called Anthology of British Tongue Twisters by Ken Parkin’s has a bunch of different tongue twisters that we (Actors) use to clarify our speech try that out. Don't get to obsessed with making your voice deeper, if you're forcing it down lower chances are that you are also making it sound dull, boring and more difficult to understand. You want to use the full range of your voice when communicating otherwise your audience will switch off.

    2. I c some PUAs have a playful 'girly' voice. I dont wanna stereotype, however can u confirm, that 'the badass(Im the boss attitude)' subcomm is better than 'the funny nice guy(haha lets joke and be as girly as possible attitude)' subcomm.
    Cheers,
    Hitman

    When it comes to “Attitude” I wouldn’t suggest any “one” in particular. The
    ability to play and have fun when you go out is super important girls don’t go out to a club to meet the serious guy, trust me I’ve tried it! However to be all playful with no depth is also dangerous. Develop dynamics in your character in order to display a natural depth that will keep women guessing. Mix the Badass with the Playful guy (Not necessarily ‘girly’) and you have the beginnings of a very attractive dynamic.


    Unrated
    In the introduction to this thread, you mentioned communicating sexual intent through movement. What are some of the ways you do this?

    This is advanced and maybe difficult for you take it in without seeing it, It’s not just sexual intent it’s also your sexual nature that can be powerfully expressed through sub comms. The way you use eye contact for instance or the speed of your blink give off a bedroom eyes vibe. The way your hips move when you walk. The speed at which you move. Again these are hard to write about, easier to demonstrate.

    Bukaki
    Any tips on finding a sub coms/voice coach in the area? Thanks for the posts, good stuff!

    I have no idea about anyone other than myself that teaches subcomms as a whole the way I teach it, solely because of my background and how I’ve tied it into Game. There are voice teachers around and things to look out for are the type of work they do, e.g. Actor training as they’ll deal with speech and tonality. I travel around a lot so send me an email vercetti@lovesystems.com we can talk further about working together.


    Hitman
    can you recommend a good, not too expensive chair to help with posture when working at a computer?
    I can’t recommend a specific chair but there are a few things to look out for. Make sure that the chair supports you properly, so it doesn’t lean to far back. Your legs preferably should be at right angles with you feet flat on the floor. The main thing is that you sit in the chair correctly without slouching.

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    Hey V!!!

    Thanks man for your awesome answer!! You are gifted the way you break things down so easily!

    I am flattered to hear such goods words about myself coming from Soul! Thanks to you guys man...chasing those NY girls on the streets of Manhattan with you and Soul was certainly one of the best and fun moments of my life!

    Keep rocking!
    SB




    Quote Originally Posted by Vercetti View Post
    StormBoy
    Hey V,

    I have another one to ask. I need clarification on the amount of eye contact you should hold and when you should break it. For e.g. in day game when I open I will hold the eye contact intense and don't be too smiley. But if you hold contact for too long it can come across as weird. Another guy was telling me that you should break it occasionally by doing a triangular gaze or maybe looking away intentionally. Any guidelines on this?

    Thanks,
    SB

    Hey Storm Boy,
    I was with Soul in Stockholm, he said you’ve been killing it lately man, moving on leaps and bounds! Great to hear man!
    With eye contact you can play with this, there are some guys that have really intense eyes that can be overbearing if they gaze for too long. You can Use your eyes to convey your inner intension even while you talk about a different topic...For example, I could be talking about what I had for breakfast or listening to her while thinking about all the filthy shit I’m gonna do with her and that will be communicated through my eyes. Another thing I like to do (and as I said play with this cause you don’t want to break away too long) is while I’m telling a story is look away as I remember details or access emotions...this gives her an opportunity to relax and “watch” you (The way a camera watches an Actor), and enables you to tell “DHV” stories without seemingly looking for responses. It’s a difficult skill at first but hugely powerful, think about a close up in a film, you can see the characters thoughts as you watch them you’re more easily able to empathise with them, but they are not looking directly at you. Eye contact should be relaxed unless you’re giving her intense eye contact for the purpose of communicating sexual intent. Either way it becomes difficult to think about in the moment so be willing to play with it.


    Hitman
    Hi there V,

    Im a hardcore fan of SubCommunication. Thats how animal do it, they have no logic/words.
    Anyway back to my question/s:
    1. Voice projection. Due to being not born in an English speaking country, I sometimes mumble / am not fluent. Also ppl have told me I always sound like I jst woke up when Im talking on the phone. I try to project a deep, 'laid back' voice, but Idk if I should work more on it and how to work on it.

    I’ve worked with a ton of students whose first language is not English and most have a similar challenge. You have to work on your articulation. Your words are formed using the muscles in your face, the lips, the tongue and the soft palate, so the biggest challenge is to make them agile and responsive. Then you have to work on the specific sounds. All the Vowels and Consonants in the English language, break it down and work on pronouncing them properly. A great book of tongue twisters called Anthology of British Tongue Twisters by Ken Parkin’s has a bunch of different tongue twisters that we (Actors) use to clarify our speech try that out. Don't get to obsessed with making your voice deeper, if you're forcing it down lower chances are that you are also making it sound dull, boring and more difficult to understand. You want to use the full range of your voice when communicating otherwise your audience will switch off.

    2. I c some PUAs have a playful 'girly' voice. I dont wanna stereotype, however can u confirm, that 'the badass(Im the boss attitude)' subcomm is better than 'the funny nice guy(haha lets joke and be as girly as possible attitude)' subcomm.
    Cheers,
    Hitman

    When it comes to “Attitude” I wouldn’t suggest any “one” in particular. The
    ability to play and have fun when you go out is super important girls don’t go out to a club to meet the serious guy, trust me I’ve tried it! However to be all playful with no depth is also dangerous. Develop dynamics in your character in order to display a natural depth that will keep women guessing. Mix the Badass with the Playful guy (Not necessarily ‘girly’) and you have the beginnings of a very attractive dynamic.


    Unrated
    In the introduction to this thread, you mentioned communicating sexual intent through movement. What are some of the ways you do this?

    This is advanced and maybe difficult for you take it in without seeing it, It’s not just sexual intent it’s also your sexual nature that can be powerfully expressed through sub comms. The way you use eye contact for instance or the speed of your blink give off a bedroom eyes vibe. The way your hips move when you walk. The speed at which you move. Again these are hard to write about, easier to demonstrate.

    Bukaki
    Any tips on finding a sub coms/voice coach in the area? Thanks for the posts, good stuff!

    I have no idea about anyone other than myself that teaches subcomms as a whole the way I teach it, solely because of my background and how I’ve tied it into Game. There are voice teachers around and things to look out for are the type of work they do, e.g. Actor training as they’ll deal with speech and tonality. I travel around a lot so send me an email vercetti@lovesystems.com we can talk further about working together.


    Hitman
    can you recommend a good, not too expensive chair to help with posture when working at a computer?
    I can’t recommend a specific chair but there are a few things to look out for. Make sure that the chair supports you properly, so it doesn’t lean to far back. Your legs preferably should be at right angles with you feet flat on the floor. The main thing is that you sit in the chair correctly without slouching.

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