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    My conservative view: Feminism is a bad thing. Men want a woman and not another "buddy". You still have to treat a woman like a woman but they want the (good) rights we men have. Still I rarely see a woman mowing the lawn, getting supplies at the hardware store or do other (lame) men work. They only want the positive things of being a man.
    Recently I spoke with a friend/colleague who is a Muslim and he gave me some really insightful information on how the Muslims look at this 'problem'. This video gives a fairly good example on how they look at this: MEMRI: Egyptian Cleric Mahmoud Al-Masri: A Woman Should Serve Her Husband Like a Maid; Women's Strength Lies in Their Weakness

    IMO, feminism is the reason why the divorce rate is skyhigh. Husband and wife are equal. Men aren't men anymore. Nursing the baby is the job of a woman, not a man. Same goes for housekeeping.

    But the worst part of it all is the fact that metro-sexuals are taking over the streets. Few days ago I was sitting in the bus and this person walks by. Wearing skinny jeans, tight coat and a hood. So I was like "hmm, what have we here? Nice body." Then it turned around and it was a fucking dude. I am shitting you not!

    It literally gave me the shivers and this real manly black guy sitting next to me prolly had the same and started laughing as I shivered.

    Why are guys wearing woman's cloth nowadays? And most of these fags who wear skinny jeans don't have legs to show off or anything. They have toothpicks. For the love of God, hide it, don't emphasize it!


    But, feminism also brings a few good things. Women at bars, clubs etc. Women are less reserved etc. So my advice would be: It's way too late to protest against feminism. But make sure you are the man and she's the woman. So do the things a man and a gentleman is supposed to do. And if you don't know what that means read and learn about etiquettes.



  2. #12

    I think if you take the attitude that feminism can "do" anything to men, then it has already happened.

    In terms of "Women are cool, let's support each other sisters, we're not inferior!" feminism is harmless, and beneficial.

    If the rhetoric switches to "Let's tear down this blatantly exploitative patriarchal power structure because all men are rapist pigs anyway," then...feminism is STILL harmless to you, my friend, because if there's one thing pickup teaches you, it's "How to Pass a Shit Test," and that's one of the biggest of them all.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by Dropit View Post
    I think if you take the attitude that feminism can "do" anything to men, then it has already happened.

    In terms of "Women are cool, let's support each other sisters, we're not inferior!" feminism is harmless, and beneficial.

    If the rhetoric switches to "Let's tear down this blatantly exploitative patriarchal power structure because all men are rapist pigs anyway," then...feminism is STILL harmless to you, my friend, because if there's one thing pickup teaches you, it's "How to Pass a Shit Test," and that's one of the biggest of them all.
    quoted for fucking accuracy

    In the end feminism is polemical and certainly a powerful thing for women especially considering some of the inevitable patriarchacal attitudes adopted by men. Shit look through this thread and youll find misogynism. In the end the greatest thing about it is that it plays counterpart, if women want to be women then you're welcome to be a man and even then find the less traditionally masculine things to inculcate within your personality.
    The greatest obstacles only make the struggle greater. Our tragic burdens only bring us closer to reality.

  4. I work with an Hb that's independent and a bit of a feminist. Sometimes women develop these attitudes when working in male dominated careers.

    anyways...we talked alot and we were cool until i opened a door for her one day. I saw the look on her face but she didnt confront me. She just gave me a muffled *Thanks*.
    I knew she hated it. I opened the door for her again on another occasion actually expecting a confrontation. I had gambits for it. Once again she mumbled *thanks* and she was upset about it.

    I saw her on another occasion and when we got to the door at the same time she stopped smiled and waited for me to open it for her. Since that day she has given me passive behavior. Guys think I have animal magnetism.

    All bullshit asside...every woman wants to be appreciated as a lady. All she needs is a guy that has social value in her eyes.

    Men will share what they are comfortable sharing. Women want that kind of emotional bonding...but seriously...a makeout doesn't earn the right to intimate feelings inside of a person. Intimacy is thought of as sex in pop culture, but its much more. Women dont have to do anything in the bed if they are not comfortable..so why should a man open up and give part of who he is inside before he is ready? Makes no sense.

    Truth is...there is always a part of a woman a man will never know...and they keep it. You dont have to give them everything.

  5. #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Adain2 View Post
    Feminism has some pretty strong roots in Marxism. It's not so much against masculinism (??). It's part of marxism, and the idea of doing away with 'institutions', such as a family.
    OH MY GOD MARXISM! COMMUNISM! RUN AWAY!

    So what if Feminism has roots in Marxism?

    And the affect it has on men? Turns them into jerks. I can't say how many times I've had feminist women complaining about how all men are jerks, only to turn around and yell at him if he tries to do anything remotely nice, such as open a door, lift up something heavy, etc. Especially when I was in college. I got so fed up I told my friends that; don't say men are jerks if you won't let them be anything but!
    I dont know what you are talking about.

    Not a single time a woman ever got angry at me for opening the door for her.

    Besides, these days guys open the door for other guys and women open the door for guys too. At least here in California where I live in. I dont know elsewhere.

    It also tips the odds in men's favor. I heard once that men love to be needed, and women need to be loved. Kind of goofy, but to a point, it has a point. Feminism said, "Men are awful, they sleep around with women and get away with it, double standard! Let's do it back to them!" And instead of making their perceived problem better, they ended up making it twice as bad. Like any man is bothered by women throwing themselves at him. But you puas still leave her. Sucks for her. Lucky for men. ...maybe to an extent it turns men into jerks in that way too. Everyone talks about our grandmothers being 'oppressed'.... but old couples, with husbands who love them... I don't think she's oppressed. And she's happier than most women today; they've even done studies on that.
    Most women sleep around today because they want to and they can, not because they want a payback.

    As for your grandma, just because she seems happy doesnt mean she is. You dont know how her life was when she was younger. You dont know if she maybe wanted another man but she couldnt because back then its inappropriate for her to follow her own desire.

    The fact is just because beautiful women dont wanna be with ugly guys, doesnt mean they prefer jerks over nice guys.

    Whats funny about nice guys is that they complain to the death about hot women not giving them a chance, while at the same time there are nice girls waiting for them to be given a chance.

    PUA skill is not needed AT ALL if guys start lowering their standard. Trust me. Go outside today and look for a girl within or below your league and ask her out. Unless she has a boyfriend chances are she will say yes. No fancy method is needed.

  6. #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbi View Post
    My conservative view: Feminism is a bad thing. Men want a woman and not another "buddy". You still have to treat a woman like a woman but they want the (good) rights we men have. Still I rarely see a woman mowing the lawn, getting supplies at the hardware store or do other (lame) men work. They only want the positive things of being a man.
    Recently I spoke with a friend/colleague who is a Muslim and he gave me some really insightful information on how the Muslims look at this 'problem'. This video gives a fairly good example on how they look at this: MEMRI: Egyptian Cleric Mahmoud Al-Masri: A Woman Should Serve Her Husband Like a Maid; Women's Strength Lies in Their Weakness

    IMO, feminism is the reason why the divorce rate is skyhigh. Husband and wife are equal. Men aren't men anymore. Nursing the baby is the job of a woman, not a man. Same goes for housekeeping.

    But the worst part of it all is the fact that metro-sexuals are taking over the streets. Few days ago I was sitting in the bus and this person walks by. Wearing skinny jeans, tight coat and a hood. So I was like "hmm, what have we here? Nice body." Then it turned around and it was a fucking dude. I am shitting you not!

    It literally gave me the shivers and this real manly black guy sitting next to me prolly had the same and started laughing as I shivered.

    Why are guys wearing woman's cloth nowadays? And most of these fags who wear skinny jeans don't have legs to show off or anything. They have toothpicks. For the love of God, hide it, don't emphasize it!


    But, feminism also brings a few good things. Women at bars, clubs etc. Women are less reserved etc. So my advice would be: It's way too late to protest against feminism. But make sure you are the man and she's the woman. So do the things a man and a gentleman is supposed to do. And if you don't know what that means read and learn about etiquettes.
    I am open to hearing your views but do be cautious of the language you use. The word Fag carries a huge connotation. For all you know, you never know if you will have a gay son one day.

  7. I think you might be mixing apples and oranges in some places. Women attempt suicide more but men choose more lethal means to do so. I don't think that is related to the subject. Iím 31 now and was in a similar place at your age. The thing I would have loved to come to grips with at your age is this: we are animals, literally animals. Bound by our biology; bound by our drives. In spite of feminism women most commonly work as teachers, nurses, secretaries and retail sales (look it up). Women, like men love sex. You have to learn to present yourself the right way. Iíve always been confident in myself so I don't have much to say about how to gain confidence. I imagine your confidence will come as you experience life. As long as you respect women and they feel that you should be fine, just donít go overboard. Ok, Iím off my soap box now.

  8. #18

    Quote Originally Posted by N_Cognito View Post
    I work with an Hb that's independent and a bit of a feminist. Sometimes women develop these attitudes when working in male dominated careers.

    anyways...we talked alot and we were cool until i opened a door for her one day. I saw the look on her face but she didnt confront me. She just gave me a muffled *Thanks*.
    I knew she hated it. I opened the door for her again on another occasion actually expecting a confrontation. I had gambits for it. Once again she mumbled *thanks* and she was upset about it.

    It is her hang up in life man. It is her issue. I know I got my own (my opinion of women is not very high till she has proven other wise). Being aware is the first step. When you have these set in stone core beliefs and values, this attitude of your always right, your in for some troubles. How many men will this poor girl chase away with her attitudes. Probably a whole wack load of them. The idea of feminism is the concept of equality. A man can hold the door for a girl but, this is not to say she could not do the same for a man. It is one thing to go against the norms in society but, we do have to acknowledge that they exist and part of the game is knowing these roles. You do not have to accept them or partake in them but, be aware of the consequences they have.


    Quote Originally Posted by Muzzi17 View Post
    I want to know what feminism keeps men from achieving. What does it do? How does it affect our sexuality and masculinity? And how to avoid these pit falls resulting from feminism.

    And why do men feel that its not okay to express emotion. Is it society telling us that we cannot be expressive with emotion? Now I'm not talking about the leaky emotional guy, I just mean emotions in general. In order to grow we have to understand and admit these emotions to ourselves. Yet a ton of guys like to act like these emotions don't exist. In fact they feel ashamed if they do discuss these emotions at all. I am saying this based on my ability to get men to open up without feeling threatened. Yet they still feel ashamed.
    A lot of men need to grow a pair of balls. Being on about your "feelings" & "emotions," acting like the woman in the relationship is going to chase girls away. They want a man. If your the woman in the relationship and you can't stand up to her, what does that say about protecting her? her kids? a family? your defense against the big bad world? I am not saying be unemotional like me. I am saying do not settle for every emotion that pops in your head. It is absolutely pathetic and the quickest way to chase women away. You heard the old saying, Dont hate the player, hate the game. Well, there is a typical expectation in society that is programmed in the minds of both men and women. Somethings stand out as wussy and if you fall into this category, your begging for a world of isolate, rejection, and disregard. Part of knowing the game is knowing your role. Be aware of the consequences.

  9. #19

    What timing on this topic - they just announced a new Lilith Fair tour for next year. No shortage of feminists.

  10. #20

    Quote Originally Posted by ambivalent View Post
    It is her hang up in life man. It is her issue. I know I got my own (my opinion of women is not very high till she has proven other wise). Being aware is the first step. When you have these set in stone core beliefs and values, this attitude of your always right, your in for some troubles. How many men will this poor girl chase away with her attitudes. Probably a whole wack load of them. The idea of feminism is the concept of equality. A man can hold the door for a girl but, this is not to say she could not do the same for a man. It is one thing to go against the norms in society but, we do have to acknowledge that they exist and part of the game is knowing these roles. You do not have to accept them or partake in them but, be aware of the consequences they have.




    A lot of men need to grow a pair of balls. Being on about your "feelings" & "emotions," acting like the woman in the relationship is going to chase girls away. They want a man. If your the woman in the relationship and you can't stand up to her, what does that say about protecting her? her kids? a family? your defense against the big bad world? I am not saying be unemotional like me. I am saying do not settle for every emotion that pops in your head. It is absolutely pathetic and the quickest way to chase women away. You heard the old saying, Dont hate the player, hate the game. Well, there is a typical expectation in society that is programmed in the minds of both men and women. Somethings stand out as wussy and if you fall into this category, your begging for a world of isolate, rejection, and disregard. Part of knowing the game is knowing your role. Be aware of the consequences.
    By men growing balls you mean take authority, stand up for yourself, stick to your opinion, but listen to others, etc?

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