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1.) How to Register and Important Rules

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•Check out the terms and conditions for the use of The Attraction Forums. There are also a couple of specific rules for you to be aware of:

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2.) I want to get better with women. How do I start?

•First of all, realize that most of your questions are probably answered in the book Magic Bullets, which was written by Savoy, the President and Program Leader of Love Systems.

•The Magic Bullets Page includes free chapters to get you started. When you order it, it arrives immediately in your inbox and you can read it online or print it.

• Magic Bullets has a no-questions money back guarantee.

•We've been doing this for years and have become very successful with women ourselves. In our experience, if you don't like Magic Bullets, you won't like The Attraction Forums.

•ONCE YOU HAVE ALREADY READ MAGIC BULLETS, you'll be in a much better position to benefit from The Attraction Forums. Keep in mind that the Forums have existed for quite some time, and that many issues have already been discussed. Start by using the search function so you can learn from the insight of those who have come before you.

•When you're ready to move on to some more advanced materials, check out the product lineup on Love Systems. There you'll find the Love Systems Routines Manual Volume 1 and Routines Manual Volume 2 (both with free chapters), the Relationship Management DVD Home Course, the Ultimate Guide to Text and Phone Game, and the world famous Interview Series and audio book catalogue.

•When you wish to get started using The Attraction Forums the best place to begin is the NEW? Start Here forum which will help get you started.

3.) So who runs this place anyway?

The Attraction Forums are run by a volunteer team of Forum members. A few of us got started with this, we invited other users who were active and made a contribution, they in turn invited others, and that’s the team we have today. 

•The current team members and the forums and subforums they are responsible for covering may be found by clicking on the Contact Forum Leaders link near the bottom of The Attraction Forums

The Attraction Forums are sponsored by Love Systems (formerly Mystery Method Corp).

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•If you have a problem with your forum account or have any problem understanding the forum rules or the use the forum itself then please feel free to contact a member of the moderator or admin team and they will be able to help you.

•If you need need to find out if a mod/admin is online at any time then scroll down to the bottom of the main screen where you can see a list of who's online. Admins names are in blue, Mods are in green and Love Systems instructors are red. Please note that the intructors will not be able to help you with any forum issues you may have so please do not contact them with any forum issue you are facing.

4.) Posting Guidelines

•Do not post questions that are clearly answered in Magic Bullets. Don't own this e-book yet? Buy it here. 

• Do not discuss gender roles or how unfair you think the dating scene if for men. Accept the premise that the man has to take the initiative and take full responsibility for your own results or you have no reason to be on this forum. This forum is not about discussing how we would rather have the world was, it's about embracing how the world actually is.

•Do not make duplicate threads or post the same question in multiple sub-forums. Your threads will be merged and you will receive a warning. If you feel like you posted in the wrong section and need to move the post, notify a moderator. This is to avoid confusion and reduce forum clutter. 

•Be responsible for your own anonymity. If you post identifying information about yourself, there is nothing we can do to prevent others from seeing it. Even if we wanted to, this is a public forum so anything and everything that is posted will be picked up by google and other search engines. Be responsible, as the forum team doesn't have the time to edit out everyone's personal information from old posts.

•Respect the anonymity of others. Do not post real names and/or photographs without permission. Do not repost emails or private/personal messages without permission. Do not post any identifying details about someone else (including, but not limited to, personal webpages, email addresses etc.).

•Before posting information (could be a routine, technique, tactic, tip, etc.), field-test it. Try it out at least 10 times before posting, no one is going to do your dirty work for you. 

•If you choose to poke fun at someone who has violated The Attraction Forums FAQ, please at least offer some friendly constructive advice in the same reply. Failure to do so may be interpreted by The Attraction Forums Team as flaming or trolling.

•For various reasons, certain words have been censored on the forums. Please do not attempt to circumvent them at any cost.

•Don’t post stuff that has been dealt with hundreds of times already. Most basic dating science questions are answered in Magic Bullets. Some other topics that have proven to be unhelpful in the past include: 

•How do I get this one specific girl? (One-itis topics)
•I have a date/party tonight/soon. What do I need to do to get this girl?
•Please give me all your routines/openers/negs/magic/stories! (Love Systems has released their Routines Manual which does all of this for you now)
•Looks like the game is up! There's a TV show/movie being made about it! Now all the girls will know we're trying to pick them up! (The Sky Is Falling, Chicken Little!)
•What does [common term or acronym] mean?
•Threads that involve personal attacks against another member of the forums.
•And, in general, anything that can be easily searched using the Search Function.

•When quoting or linking to a published work, please include full bibliographic reference so readers can find the original document or work. Get the author's permission in writing before quoting unpublished work. 

•Do not use affiliate codes to link to anything. Period. Full-stop.

The Attraction Forums is not the place to advertise your website, blog, product or event (even if it is free). Nor do its members appreciate being spammed or marketed to within posts. As such, 1) no external (outside of The Attraction Forums) links are permitted in your signature and 2) posts which have an excessive spam or marketing within them will be edited or removed. The same rules apply to PMs (personal messages). Failure to comply with these rules will also result in a ban.

•Unbiased third-party reviews of products and services of interest to The Attraction Forums members are encouraged, as long as they are posted in the appropriate area. Approval must be obtained from Savoy before advertising on TAF.

•While the volunteer TAF team makes every effort to be fair, the ultimate goal of TAF is user experience, not a perfect justice system. Perception is reality, and if something LOOKS shady, the likelihood is that is shady, and the investigation will usually stop there. Over 100,000 members of the The Attraction Forums have no problem staying on the right side of the "no advertising" line.
Warning Points may be given for breaches of the Posting Rules; repeat offending will result in a ban.

5.) Wingman forum guidelines

The Attraction Forums welcomes your add for finding a personal wingman. The wingman forum is meant to help you network and find friends interested in self-development, fitness and game. The wingman forum is NOT for advertising events, lairs, local pickup groups and similar. The general advertising rules apply to the wingman forum and as such you must comply to the following:

• All responses to adds must take place in the thread or in a PM (personal message)

• No adds for specific events including meetups with general admittance

• No links to external webpages including third party social networking sites

• No links, numbers etc. to third party messaging software including but not limited to whatsapp, groupme and skype

• No emails and phone-numbers

• Failure to comply with these rules will result in your post being edited or removed and you may receive a warning

• Failure to protect your anonymity with a subsequent request to have your contact details removed will be susceptible to a removal fee

6.) Common Questions Answered

Q. I have a question about [something that isn't here]
A. Do a search of this forum . Do a search of the dating advice article database. Still no luck? Post it!
Also remember to check out the Classic Writings. and Best of forum. for many more articles and theads from some of Love systems top instructors and forum members on all the most popular topics.

Q. What does [DHV, IOI, Neg, etc.] mean?
A. The list of common terms and acronyms can be found here.


Q: I have Magic Bullets and want to go on the newbie mission. How do I do this?
A: There is a great interview with star Love Systems instructors Mr. M and Rokker on “The Right Way to Learn Game.”

Q. I just can't approach women. I'm completely unable to say hi. Is this Approach Anxiety?
A. Yes it is. Every person's psychology is different. It's easy to cure at a bootcamp because it's in-person. But if a bootcamp isn't an option for you, there's an interview: Vol.1 - Approaching & Transitioning and Vol.44 - Overcomming Approach Anxiety
Also read Daxx's classic article Annihilate Your Approach Anxiety.
Read this classic LS newsletter, How approach Anxiety really works
Read SeattleWilly's best of post, 3 Steps eliminating approach anxiety
Read Harlequin's best of post Overcoming approach anxiety.
Read LS intructor Carbeau's article Carbeau's Ultimate Guide to Approach Anxiety

Q: There is this ONE girl I have [a date with, a class with, an interest in, a compulsion to meet]. I know her from [class, work, a bar/club I frequent] and she is really special, so I don't want to fuck things up. What do I do???
A. Dating science is not about getting that ONE girl. It's about improving your skill with women in general. Individual women are irrelevant while building these skills. Two thousand women turn 21 (or any other age) in the United States every day. Obsession with one particular woman, before you have acquired the mastery skillset, is counterproductive. We refer to this mind set as one-itis.
Read Future's classic article, Kill Beatrice
Also read Braddock's classic article Oneitis

Q. How do I DHV? (Demonstrate Higher Value)
A. There are many different ways you can do this, too many to list and talk about in this thread. Start here: (you can listen to the first 10min, free!) interview series, Vol 16 - On Value

Q. How do I generate attraction with a girl I like?
A. There are 8 main 'attraction switches' for building attraction with a girl, the switches and details on them can be found in Savoy's Magic bullets

Q. How and when do I do 'cold reads'?
A. Read Savoy's classic article Cold reads

Q. I keep getting flakes after I get a girls number what am I doing wrong?
A. Check out the interview series Vol. 43 - Preventing Flaking with tenmagnet cajun
Read Silverghost's article Flakes flakes flakes
Read Soul's article Why Women Flake on You
And also Savoy's classic writing article, Complete guide to flakes, how to prevent them
Watch this video from Savoy on the subject Stop her from flaking

Q. How do I get out of the 'lets just be friends' zone?
A. Read Braddock's classic article Braddock's prescription to move out of the LJBF Zone.
Also read _Cane_s artice LJBF get out of the zone 101

Q. How do I game girls at work, collage and within my social Circle?
A. Read Savoy's classic article Dating at Work, School, and Within Your Social Circle
See Braddock's videos on the topic of Gaming girls at collage
Also read Dubbsy's thread College Game Q & A

Q. I don't like going to loud bars and night clubs, where else can I go to learn to talk to girls?
A. Read Stallion's article Where to sarge if you don't like clubs and bars.

Q. I know body Language is so important but any tips on how do I improve on this?
A. Read Cajun's 3 classic articles Advanced Body Language , Advanced Body Language Part 2 and Advanced Body Language PART 3.
Read Vercetti's article Body language tatics
Also check out Beyond Words: The Art Of Body Language And Physical Escalation (DVD Home Study Course)

Q. How can I get good with phone and text game?
A. Check out the Love system product The Ultimate guide to text and phone game by Braddock and Mr.M.

Q. I am [short, overweight, balding, some other physical characteristic] and that is why I cannot attract women. What should I do?
A. Looks are definitely not as important as you or society may have you believe.
Read Keychain's classic article The Truth About 'Looks Don't Matter'
Also read Savoy's classic writing article You worried about your looks no woman out your league.
Also read Nick Hoss's post within this thread Looks don't matter
Also read Fader's classic article Last comment about looks.
See this video from Savoy Do looks matter?

Q. How do I make a good online dating profile?
A. Read _Cane_ article Plenty of Fish - My Profile/Advice - How to use it Successfully

Q. How do I deal with AMOGs? (Alpha male of the group)
A. Read Sovereigns article ***Guide to Dealing with AMOG'S***

Q. Confidence is Important but what can I do to work on this?
A. Every person's psychology is different so there is no 'one' way to build it up however read Stallion's article Understanding and building up low confidence.


Q. Should I use 'direct' or 'indirect' openers?
A. Read Savoy's article 'direct' or 'indirect'

Q. Should I "peacock" and dress kind of crazy?
A. No. Read this.

Q. How can my wingman and I work together to get the women we want?
A. See this video by Savoy How to pick up with your wingman (VIDEO)
Also read Savoy's classic writing article Whats best way to use wingmen to get girls
And also read Malibu's best of article Wings of Glory - The Ultimate Guide to being a great Wingman

Q. I wish to get better at approaching mixed groups (Guys with girls) how can I do this?
A. Read Vercetti's classic article Approaching the Mixed Set - Key to success.
Also read Savoy's classic writing article Approaching mixed sets tips and getting in state

Q. How can I get good at Day Game?
A. Read the classic writing articles from Jeremy Soul and also see his Daytime dating book.
Also read Nick Hoss's classic writing article common day game mistakes
Also check out his live, infield, day game workshops.

Q. I'm looking for some good Suduction music for when I have a girl back at my place, where can I find some?
A. Read this active thread by dynamiteDJ The Ultimate Seduction Music Thread


Q. How do I get a threesome?
A. Click here for how to get a threesome.

Q. How do I become really good in bed? (Oral, sex, lasting longer, giving orgasms)
A. There are many ways to improve on this area of your game, see the Sex forum for many great threads and also check out the widely-praised
Ascension Master Class.

Q. I approached, attracted, qualified, built comfort, and seduced her. Now what?
A. Check out Love Systems Relationship Management DVD set.
Also check out the Relationship sub forum.

Q. I want to have friends with benefits, how do I do this?
A. Read Braddock's classic article Creating Friends With Benefits. There's also the great Friends with Benefits interview with Braddock and Savoy.

Q. How do I get same night lays?
A. Read Venture's article Q&A Session with Venture: Same Night Lays.

Q. How can I get good with gaming strippers and other hired guns?
A. Read Bonsai's 2 classic artices 6 Signs Strippers are Really Interested in You
and Stripper Game Routine - Fractured Sexual Identity. Or let stripper game expert Fader take you infield to pick up strippers - live.


Q: What is The Lounge? How does it differ from The Attraction Forums?
A: The Lounge, as showcased in Neil Strauss' "The Game," no longer exists. The current Lounge is a forum with the same goal and general structure as The Attraction Forums. The only difference is pre-qualification. You must attend a Love Systems bootcamp to enter. This ensures all posters are at a certain level in the learning process and helps to keep discussion at a very advanced level. The Lounge is not part of The Attraction Forums, and our team has no power to let you into The Lounge, no matter how much we like you. If this sounds like the resource you need, please take a bootcamp with LoveSystems.

Q: How do you promote quality posters?
A: The Attraction Forums Team moves high-quality posts to the Best Of The Forum section which aside from the Intructors classic writing sections is the best section for a library of the best articles the forum has to offer from past and present members.
There is no formal process for doing so. Reply within the particular thread with a nomination and it will be considered into this "hall of fame." Conversely, there is a Facepalm Forum of Shame section. This is reserved for anyone breaking the Terms of Service or not reading the Attraction Forums FAQ. It really isn't hard to keep your posts out of there just this.

Q: I can't afford Magic Bullets or a bootcamp. What can I do?
A: First of all, you don’t have to spent money you don’t have. You're welcome to learn here by reading and posting, for free, for as long as you want. The Love Systems Free Publications Library is also a great source of information, as are the Love Systems Instructor Blogs.

While no one gets involved in seduction for the money, we do expect people to take responsibility for themselves. For example, please don't write asking someone to buy Magic Bullets for you, or for discounted or pirated copies of it. It costs $68. If you don't have $68 in disposable income, your life is likely very much out of control. Even women who aren't materialistic are generally not attracted to men who can't take care of themselves. So, if you don’t have $68 to spend on something so crucial to success with women, then your problem isn’t with women, it’s with your life organization.

If you are committed to improving your game, and want to attend a bootcamp, then it's time to prove how important success with women is in your life. You have to make it happen. Women are attracted to men who get what they want, despite the obstacles.

First, you must decide what you can afford. Love Systems bootcamps are not cheap – nor is any service that can only be performed by rare and highly-trained professionals. And believe us, the criteria and training to be a Love Systems instructor are brutal. However, a day of 1-1 Individualized Training with an instructor is usually cheaper than a full bootcamp. Contact Jeremy, the LS program coordinator, to discuss your individual situation and needs.

But say you are determined to improve your success with women, and you need more cash. Well, get off your computer. Spend less time with beer, porn, the internet, the TV, or doing things that won't change your life. Anyone can make $10/hr part-time. Heck, become a Love Systems Affiliate, and they'll train you how to make a lot more. Anyone has five free hours a week. So that's $50 right there, per week, at a minimum. Earn or save $50 a week, and we'll see you later this year. If it's not worth that kind of effort to you, you won't get the most out of the bootcamp anyway, and it's probably all for the best.

7.) How can I help?

•Help promote quality posts. If you feel a post should be archived to the Best Of The Forum section then please reply to the post with your recommendation. The Best-Of is for archiving particularly helpful threads. If you prefer to do this anonymously, please send a Private Message to any moderator of The Attraction Forums with your nomination.

•We also have a 'like' feature which you are free to use if you read a post you like and wish to acknowledge the poster for their effort. More information on this can be found here.

•Give any forum feedback and suggestions you may have here.

•Report posts that violate The Attraction Forums FAQ by using the "Report Post" icon found in the lower-left corner of the post you would like to flag for review. This sends an anonymous message to the The Attraction Forums Team so that they can respond to the issue.

•Help us promote The Attraction Forums by word-of-mouth. Post about your experience with our website on various other forums, mailgroups, or via discussion with your friends. Please follow all venue-specific guidelines including the following:

•Please cite sources when quoting or copying information from The Attraction Forums.

•Do not spam.

•Volunteer. We are always in need of professional services, including, but not limited to: moderators, graphic artists, web designers, developers, legal advice, etc. Hard work is rewarded with barter for products and services. For more information, please contact savoy@theattractionforums.com.
It's also worth keeping an eye on the Announcements forum for jobs and internships with Love Systems instructors.

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