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way2muchMuscle
10-15-2008, 04:48 PM
First off i'm new to the forums so I want to say hi! I'm 20 years old I think that i severly intimidate women. I am very muscular....like...very..I could be on a magazine cover muscular....get my point? I honestly feel that women are scared of me. Everytime i go to clubs or bars i have women asking me if i'm on steroids. I got called jonny bravo!?!?! Would you consider that an IOI?! Also, could I use them to my advantage? I dunno like peacocking?

Any advice would be great,

Muscles..

nereis
10-15-2008, 10:45 PM
Shit test, son, they're shit testing you.

falcon05
10-15-2008, 11:11 PM
Muscle is a big advantage and every guy wants to be the biggest. Dude, do you know how much pussy Arnold got?? Him and Columbo or his workout buddies after working out would go back and fuck chicks as a release after a tough workout. Most big guys get laid really easy I always thought.

But oddly I have heard girls like muscles but not the bodybuilding insane muscle. Don't know how true that is. IMO I think it's the freakish veins and sickly definition that doesn't look human, not the mass.

Dude you have a leg up being big as fuck, you command attention when you walk in as the baddest mother f'er in their and convey alpha. Some girls though I'm sure have never been with a guy as big as you and it is different. Muscles are better than clothes, it's automatic attention, you just need to convey the positives like the discipline in your life and show that you don't put chicks on a pedestal, they are second to lifting.

TheRogue
10-15-2008, 11:58 PM
But oddly I have heard girls like muscles but not the bodybuilding insane muscle. Don't know how true that is. IMO I think it's the freakish veins and sickly definition that doesn't look human, not the mass.


Actually, it's true. Bodybuilding muscles are NOT attractive. They're huge, bulky, but have little actual strength, and girls can tell. If they're asking you if you use steroids, that's not an IOI. Of course you can still turn them to your advantage and get laid...but it's gotta be your personality coming through, not the looks.

The most attractive muscular guy I have seen has been trained in the military. He had huge muscles, but you could see they were tightly compacted rather than inflated. Thus, he had strength, agility, and speed, all together in one big sexy package.

If you want to change the way your muscles look, check out the exercise section. Otherwise, develop your personality to use what you got to your advantage.

My 2 cents,

Rogue

bravo29
10-16-2008, 12:27 AM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder & that includes muscle men. To the OP, it's hard to give you valuable & honest feedback without a picture so post up! Sometimes guns are sexy and sometimes not. It depends on how lean, symmetrical, etc. the guy is...and how he dresses, carries himself/posture, etc...

way2muchMuscle
10-16-2008, 05:14 AM
I'm not super lean. I just have a lot of mass for someone my age. I am very symmetrical. I do get tested..alot. Do you think I could use some kind of opener involving my arms or something? or should it be more indirect?

Nihilistic
10-16-2008, 06:17 AM
bravos just looking for a hunk to stare at lmao.

are you on juice? honest answer please. cause a guy of your supposed size is not natural, and creatine wont work on me either. ive been around gyms for a long time bro.

muscularity is intimidating. why do you think alot of guys wont fuck with a big ass dood, but will a small one?

if youre juiced, you might have an intimidating look on your face, or hostile body language, and not even realize it. if youre a serious looking fellow, add in a shitload of mass and youve got a guy few want to talk to. you could be unstoppable.

do you have a vascular appearance? alot of girls dont dig veins dood. after a point, size and low BF is as much about your own ego and impressing the guys, than it is girls. many girls dont like it after a certain point.

just things to think over, but if you cant easily overcome this, id say youre doing something to make it impassable.

Cytoxin
10-16-2008, 06:55 AM
Actually girls most go for guys that are of the build that you'd see in a perfume ad or the like, swimmers builds. lean and muscular, not the pumped up, veins popping type. The majority of girls are turned off by a guy that's buffed up like the cover of MuscleMag.

Just like everything in life, too much of a good thing is overkill...

way2muchMuscle
10-16-2008, 09:40 AM
I'm not super veiny because my body fat isn't that low. No, I have never injected oil into my body. I have used "prohormones" before though. some perople think they work some think there a waste of time. I've been lifting for 8 years. I'm 5'10 240ish. Actually, last year people used to tell me I'm more of a muscle and fitness looking guy instead of a musclemag or flex magazine. I'm 2lbs heavier then I was last year. I don't know what to do about it. I'll tell you what, when I do walk into a club or bar almost every women in the room will look at me. Some turn away some keep staring. Some look grossed out some look enticed. I need some new openers as well.

TrueStory
10-16-2008, 10:12 AM
You focus on your muscles waaaaay too much.

Girls will look for excuse to talk to guys. "I hate your stupid hat" "Are you on steroids" "You are too tall" "You are soo short" "I don't like your shirt" "Why are you wearing that" etc.

All of those are shit tests. Muscles have NOTHING to do with your game. Whatsoever.

You just want everyone to say "dude, nice pecks! Wow I am jealous";

so now that you got that out of your system, let's start talking about game.

What do you tell them after they approach you? So you're good looking, that's a big plus in your attraction game, now can you hold the congruency to your looks?

Cytoxin
10-16-2008, 10:22 AM
throw a pic up

bravo29
10-16-2008, 11:19 AM
bravos just looking for a hunk to stare at lmao..

Lol what's wrong with that? :p but seriously, no, everyone has a different idea of what they think they look like, how others perceive them etc... pictures do truly tell more than paragraphs and allow me to give honest feedback especially since I come from a big fitness background where buff/muscular guys were more attractive in those circles than in mainstream social circles, so I'm a little bit more objective... I don't just look to see how attractive the person is but also if they need to lean out/change up their diet/etc...

way2muchMuscle
10-16-2008, 12:03 PM
Lol what's wrong with that? :p but seriously, no, everyone has a different idea of what they think they look like, how others perceive them etc... pictures do truly tell more than paragraphs and allow me to give honest feedback especially since I come from a big fitness background where buff/muscular guys were more attractive in those circles than in mainstream social circles, so I'm a little bit more objective... I don't just look to see how attractive the person is but also if they need to lean out/change up their diet/etc...

I'll have to get a recent one. All the ones i have are from when i was 18, like i said i'm not very lean. Probley around 13% body fat. here is a pick of me..

Cytoxin
10-16-2008, 12:13 PM
from that pic you don't look freakishly big, so I would say that the girls asking the questions would be some initial IoIs. You just need to get some good comebacks to start the game rolling.

bravo29
10-16-2008, 12:17 PM
I'll have to get a recent one. All the ones i have are from when i was 18, like i said i'm not very lean. Probley around 13% body fat. here is a pick of me..

Ok shy guy, nice face & Hollister sweatshirt shot, but I need to see your upper body & abs. You can keep your shirt on, I can still tell with clothes on what your physique is but that pic doesn't show much. Wear a tshirt and not a sweatshirt. Use your cell cam or digital and stand in front of a mirror. Just stand up straight with your shoulders back, turn to the side somewhat, you don't have to do the traditional body builder poses, but I need to get an idea of what your build is if you were standing next to me or in a crowd.. if you have any pics of you standing with other friends (U can crop their faces out or paint over them for privacy) that can also help show how big/lean/or average you age.... From your face you don't seem that big or unattractive but I've also had friends in MMA who were huge and an entire upper body shot was different than just their face/neck...

If you're not shy and want to show a regular progress pic you can do that too (for women we post in bikinis, for men, in their shorts, front view, back view & side view.. you don't need to puff your chest out or flex your muscles, just keep your arms relaxed at your side and your feet shoulder width apart... I'm thinking for you it's not necessary to see your lower body as much as upper body that the girls might be commenting about)...

You don't seem like you'd be that big though, not in a way that would repel girls. If anything, maybe IOIs... just because not all girls like bigger muscular guys, sometimes some girls do... Some girls seek out bigger guys for feeling safe, protected, want a big teddy bear to cuddle with, etc... so I think you should take it all as a compliment. It's when guys get veins popping out of their face and rashy looking from steroids that it gets gross... or in my ex's case, even though he had really nice shoulders, triceps, pecs, etc., his gut & love handles were just awful... when he was lifting weights his legs got huge, but I thought he was may more attractive when his legs were leaner and when his physique overall was leaner...

way2muchMuscle
10-16-2008, 12:21 PM
would this work? "whoa, I just met you and your hittin on me already?" or "I don't even know you and your hitting on me?" and continue with another neg? It usally is the first thing I hear is something related to my body >.< how would you guys go around? I don't know, it seems as thought everytime they say somethings its an opportunity for a set.

way2muchMuscle
10-16-2008, 12:29 PM
Ok shy guy, nice face & Hollister sweatshirt shot, but I need to see your upper body & abs. You can keep your shirt on, I can still tell with clothes on what your physique is but that pic doesn't show much. Wear a tshirt and not a sweatshirt. Use your cell cam or digital and stand in front of a mirror. Just stand up straight with your shoulders back, turn to the side somewhat, you don't have to do the traditional body builder poses, but I need to get an idea of what your build is if you were standing next to me or in a crowd.. if you have any pics of you standing with other friends (U can crop their faces out or paint over them for privacy) that can also help show how big/lean/or average you age.... From your face you don't seem that big or unattractive but I've also had friends in MMA who were huge and an entire upper body shot was different than just their face/neck...

If you're not shy and want to show a regular progress pic you can do that too (for women we post in bikinis, for men, in their shorts, front view, back view & side view.. you don't need to puff your chest out or flex your muscles, just keep your arms relaxed at your side and your feet shoulder width apart... I'm thinking for you it's not necessary to see your lower body as much as upper body that the girls might be commenting about)...

You don't seem like you'd be that big though, not in a way that would repel girls. If anything, maybe IOIs... just because not all girls like bigger muscular guys, sometimes some girls do... Some girls seek out bigger guys for feeling safe, protected, want a big teddy bear to cuddle with, etc... so I think you should take it all as a compliment. It's when guys get veins popping out of their face and rashy looking from steroids that it gets gross... or in my ex's case, even though he had really nice shoulders, triceps, pecs, etc., his gut & love handles were just awful... when he was lifting weights his legs got huge, but I thought he was may more attractive when his legs were leaner and when his physique overall was leaner...

well I do have horrible love handles >.< but my stomach is flat its just not ripped.

way2muchMuscle
10-16-2008, 12:31 PM
heres another...

TrueStory
10-16-2008, 12:31 PM
well I do have horrible love handles >.< but my stomach is flat its just not ripped.


awww the truth comes out :)

way2muchMuscle
10-16-2008, 12:33 PM
awww the truth comes out :)

i never said i had abs :)

TrueStory
10-16-2008, 12:36 PM
lol nah i am just fuckin with you, your arms are pretty big (second pic) how tall are you?

way2muchMuscle
10-16-2008, 01:05 PM
lol nah i am just fuckin with you, your arms are pretty big (second pic) how tall are you?

5'10

Cytoxin
10-16-2008, 01:06 PM
bit of advice, if you have love handles now at 20, you'd best work your ass off to get rid of them now... cause it doesn't easier to burn fat off as you get older. Get ride of them NOW. ;)

way2muchMuscle
10-16-2008, 01:16 PM
bit of advice, if you have love handles now at 20, you'd best work your ass off to get rid of them now... cause it doesn't easier to burn fat off as you get older. Get ride of them NOW. ;)


LOL!!! thanks for the advice :)

Nihilistic
10-16-2008, 02:06 PM
5-10 240? impressive. im 6-3 282, so you have to be thick.

the steroid comments are a dead give away that theyre interested.

Nihilistic
10-16-2008, 02:08 PM
Lol what's wrong with that? :p but seriously, no, everyone has a different idea of what they think they look like, how others perceive them etc... pictures do truly tell more than paragraphs and allow me to give honest feedback especially since I come from a big fitness background where buff/muscular guys were more attractive in those circles than in mainstream social circles, so I'm a little bit more objective... I don't just look to see how attractive the person is but also if they need to lean out/change up their diet/etc...

check it out guys i got her to qualify herself to me.

im in.

JackCarlos
10-16-2008, 02:21 PM
personally, i'm not a big guy by any means. 6'2, 174lbs @ 7-8% bodyfat. physique is somewhat similar to GSP's if you guys watch UFC.

but all my close friends are heavily into bodybuilding and powerlifting. huge guys. they all get shit tested on their size every time we go out. here are some of the things that work to their advantage.

1) ignore any physique or size related question such as "wow you're huge" with "yeah, anyways" or "that's nice" or some similar variation. cut thread and gain frame control. i think i heard matador say something similar to this because he sometimes gets shit-tested on his physique. by doing this, you show girls that they can't get your attention merely by commenting on your looks, and that you're not like every other musclehead looking to impress the club with his guns and traps.

2) "are you on steroids?" or any similar questions can be countered by an equally stupid response like "nah hun, it's the chips and coke diet." the absurdity of your response sub-conscious conveys the stupidity of the question they've asked. this will hit 80% + of the time and give you a moment to gain frame control.

just remember, if you ARE getting a comment on your looks, it's ATTENTION directed your way. they didn't have to comment, but they did. how you respond to and re-direct this attention is up to you.

i'd very much like to hear any feedback relevant to my post :)

bravo29
10-16-2008, 02:27 PM
heres another...

Hey you look good. I think you're at a nicely developing physique right now and the girls were likely attracted to you. As far as personal fitness goals, just keep working on getting more lean (not saying you need to get lean but just that most of us have to have personal goals we're always striving for and if comes between whether you need to bulk up or get more lean, I'd focus on going for lean).

bravo29
10-16-2008, 02:39 PM
check it out guys i got her to qualify herself to me.

im in.

Haha, nice work kiddo.