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Sheek
01-2008-01, 02:18 PM
I apologize for the horrible title... I'm not very witty. ;)

I have ADD. I know what it's like to be unable to get through a long post. If you think this might be a problem, I urge you to read the bold/big headlines and if you're interested to continue reading. I know I personally would have to pop a few Adderalls before reading this. :D

Onto the Issue.
I see a problem in this community. Not just these forums, not just the products these guys offer, but a huge problem to which everyone seems to be blind. It's the idea of the magic pill, the idea that you can read an eBook/watch a video/attend a bootcamp and somehow magically become a pick up master without changing anything. Being successful with women isn't an ability, it's a personality. It's not a skillset, it's a belief system.

1. Realize when you're learning the TRUTH, and when you're learning MARKETING.
I don't have a background in marketing, but it should be obvious to everyone that every corporate entity (and people, but this isn't relevant now) is selfish with regard to every decision and product it makes. It doesn't matter if the company manufactures life jackets and donates 100,000 to a marina, or if the company sells products for half their supposed "market value." They do what they do to increase business, and to maximise profits and public opinion (which in turn boosts profits).

Now this isn't the main point I'm trying to make--I plan to talk about a bunch of things in this thread--but don't believe everything pick up companies tell you. This is obvious, but even the foundation to every single pickup theory is "everyone can do it." As we ALL know, not everyone can do it. Very, VERY few people who buy products from pickup companies get better. Most people will read it, hoping for one-liners and magic pills they can spit out and become instant masters of life, realize that they don't exist, and then just put their purchase aside and don't bother with it. Those a bit more motivated will go out and "sarge," get destroyed their first few nights out, and decide the model sucks and they have some kind of genetic disposition to being a loser.

An example of this is the (often-debated) do-good-looks-matter theory. Yes, they do. They play a large part in attraction, whether or not the eBooks tell you they do or not. If you hit the gym for half a year and groom well, you will be MUCH, MUCH better off than someone who focuses only on "sarging" during that same time period. Sure, being an awesome guy will easily make up for not being a Calvin Klein model, but it certainly doesn't hurt to look your best, too.

At the end of it all, I'm simply suggesting readers here be much more critical and "suspicious," if you will, about the content pickup companies put out. Just because it's presented in a simple model that makes sense to you, fits into A.C.R.O.N.Y.M.S., and seems easy doesn't mean it's true. The Mystery Method is quite functional. However, some of its marketing is deceptive, just like the marketing of any company. Its purpose is to make people buy products, not to be truthful. It's important to filter what you see as being the truth and what you see as being something made to hook a wide target audience.


2. Stop Being a Pussy! Man Up!
The whole effemination thing. I think being mistaken for being gay is a bad thing. Call me a chode and anti-community, but being womanly and effeminate in the way you act, talk, and even think isn't what you should be doing. Women are not looking to be picked up by women. All that girl code stuff that some guys are incorporating into their game is NOT HELPING. Rolling your eyes in an attempt to "girl-code" and scaring away a homophobic AMOG by hitting on him may get the job done, but again, it's not making you any more attractive if guys are disgusted by you. Acting like you're a high school girl ("Omgg wow that's so super!!") isn't the best way to telegraph authority or manliness. Reading tabloids so you have things to talk about with women is another example. Women don't want another gossip partner. It's possible to talk about SO many interesting things that aren't articles in Cosmo. Tell a story, talk about something abstract, show interest in her life, and so on.

I really hope I'm communicating this well. I can't imagine seeing men like George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, etc. approaching a group of women and saying "Wowww you guys look SUPER fun!! " Regardless of whether or not they're known celebrities, that's just not part of their personality. And, coincidentally, all three men are very desireable to women.

Women want to be led. Period. They need a boss... speaking of which, listen to the song "I Need a Boss," by Shareefa. I know. It's ghetto. It might not be the best example. But it's true. Here are some lyrics that are worth taking a look at:


"I need a pappi, somebody I call daddy
Hustla, any hood he's a boss-a
Trapper, under the rugs he got stacks-a
Never see movies, don't like them actors
That's just what I go after
That's what I need"

Call it thug life, call it "gang culture," call it whatever. Whether or not you like hip hop, look past the evidently 'gangsta' example. Truth is, regardless of who they are, girls want men who are in charge, who give them the opportunity to be in a "safety bubble" in their presence--a position in which they know they'll be safe no matter what goes down.

Let's take fighting as an example. I am against pointless fighting. Having the intention to start a fight for no reason is stupid and shows weakness, not strength. That said, however, men stand up for themselves. If someone touches you in any way that isn't friendly, there's a problem. The rule I've defined is to allow myself to do something one step above what someone does to me. If someone leans onto my shoulder, I push them off. If someone swings at me I don't hesitate in doing whatever I need to end the fight. I personally train in a bunch of different martial arts and street defence systems for sport, but I even if I am certain I will lose a fight, I still fight for the sake of principle. Men should fight for that which they believe, regardless of the consequences. Never, ever, be afraid to hurt an enemy if not doing so would compromise your own safety. On the flip side of the coin, you should never hesitate to help a friend, even if your own safety is compromised.


3. Confidence -- It's Actually Pretty Simple
People throw around millions of definitions of confidence. Instead of trying to define it, I'll try to explain what will help you gain it. When you are in a situation in which you are sure you can handle, you are confident. We are confident in walking, in driving (well -- most of us :D), and in the hobbies we have. We are unconfident when we do things that are alien to us, not because we haven't done them before, but because we are afraid of the consequences. If you run a mile in under 5 minutes 100 times, you should be reasonably confident that you'll run it in under 5 minutes on your 101st try. This is all common sense.

However, the most common mistake people make is being unable to understand the importance of not only being confident in talking to women, but also being confident in handling yourself in daily life, with or without the presence of women. I am willing to bet women would be MUCH more attracted to someone who is confident in the tasks they go about in their day and who is shy around them than someone who seems "confident" around women but is always unsure and generally afraid of failure in general.

I'm going to borrow heavily in this paragraph from someone who I really look up to, Johnny Soporno. He explains that to become confident in life, we should always try, as often as we can and whenever the opportunity presents itself, to help others. The belief that you are USEFUL to others and are able to manage yourself in a variety of situations is key to being confident in your daily life. The more situations in which you place yourself that require you to use knowledge and skills you possess, the more confidence you will gain knowing if you ever encounter something foreign, you will be able to competently deal with it using your combined abilities. Confidence is trained. And not only does helping others boost your confidence, you also feel great. I personally believe in the concept of karma, and I don't care whether it actually exists. Knowing that by helping others I am making my own life better makes me happy. :D (To make a quick note, Johnny recommends always OFFERING help before actually GIVING it. Helping without asking first is rude and insulting, even if you have good intentions.)

Pretend confidence is a well-rounded athlete. A well-rounded athlete does whatever they can to practice functional, core-body movements that they can apply to whatever situations may come up. If they have to rock climb, they have the strength in their arms and legs to lift themselves from ledge to ledge, if they have to learn a new sport they will have the coordination required to greatly accelerate the learning process. Compare this to a bodybuilder who focuses on isolating their biceps, for example. They become very able to lift dumbells, and do specific gym-only presses and lifts, but if they are exposed to a more compound movement they'll find they don't have the ability to work all their muscles together to achieve that new movement.

So, without even considering it, we've reached a new definition for general, day-in-day-out confidence: Confidence is the knowledge that, should something foreign to you suddenly arise, you will be able to deal with it appropriately.


4. Tying It All Together
What this all winds down to is simply our little definition of confidence. If you are confident, in the capacity defined in this post, you will excel at practically every aspect of your life. Men will look to you for help and guidance, women will want to be with you, and most importantly, you will always be pleased, content, and at peace with yourself.


I hope you guys see value in this post. Some quick disclaimers:
- I am not discrediting The Mystery Method in any way through this post. At its core, the model it teaches is efficient and very helpful. However, people need to understand that it's not The Mystery Method that gives people the skills they need to attract women -- it's the motivation they've shown in doing everything they can to undertake the journey of transforming their lives.
- I am not discrediting The Mystery Method instructors in any way, either. They certainly have the ability to pick up women. Otherwise, they would not be paid to teach others how to. However, a student should not only learn the routines and methods the instructors teach, they should also mirror the instructor's motivation in getting to where they are.

True Pimp
01-2008-01, 03:58 PM
Really good post, I didn't find anything that really seemed off the mark at all :)
Anotherwords, everything that you said made sense.

Eastern Digital
01-2008-01, 04:16 PM
I thought this thread was about viagra =/
-walks away-

JeeNyusJI
01-2008-01, 04:16 PM
awsome post

Sheek
01-2008-01, 04:19 PM
I thought this thread was about viagra =/
-walks away-

I could forward you my junk mail folder if you want... :D

Thanks for the props guys.

Jaejin
01-2008-01, 08:40 PM
"...being mistaken for being gay is a bad thing. Call me a chode and anti-community, but being womanly and effeminate in the way you act, talk, and even think isn't what you should be doing. Women are not looking to be picked up by women."

This is something I can agree with, routines that convey that your effeminate isn't something you want to use. Can you go into more detail with leading?

pistyll
01-2008-01, 09:51 PM
"...being mistaken for being gay is a bad thing. Call me a chode and anti-community, but being womanly and effeminate in the way you act, talk, and even think isn't what you should be doing. Women are not looking to be picked up by women."

This is something I can agree with, routines that convey that your effeminate isn't something you want to use. Can you go into more detail with leading?
{in no way is this a product plug}BUT...
read "The Way of the Superior Man" by David Deida... Its all about what sheek is talking about regarding men being too feminine and leading women. Its a really good read

lopes
01-2008-01, 10:00 PM
thankyou for saying this i mean i never use any stupid fucking openers and shit cuz i would feel like such a plug saying those dumb things lol if you have enough confidence "hey" works alot better and is easier

Sheek
01-2008-02, 02:10 PM
"...being mistaken for being gay is a bad thing. Call me a chode and anti-community, but being womanly and effeminate in the way you act, talk, and even think isn't what you should be doing. Women are not looking to be picked up by women."

This is something I can agree with, routines that convey that your effeminate isn't something you want to use. Can you go into more detail with leading?

What kind of leading? I'm assuming you mean making decisions for the both of you.

A common mistake is to take "leading" too far and try to control everything. This is too far of an extreme, and is seen as weakness and not strength.

What you should be doing is making decisions like how you're going to spend your nights, you should be ordering for the both of you at restaurants, and you should be deciding things like whose car you go in etc.

More on this in a bit, I'm off now.

sidegunner
01-2008-02, 02:36 PM
Oh man, ordering for someone else at a restaurant is such a big no that I cannot fathom what I would do if someone did that to me.

Leading is where you say "we can see the movie at 6 or 8, which do you want?" instead of "um, idk, what do you want to do? I am up for anything..." When the person says that either time is fine, you then say "okay, we'll meet at 8 then, see you there." Leading is where when someone says "should we take my car or yours?" you say "take mine" or "take yours" instead of tossing the decision right back to them.

People really, really like being around folks who don't toss questions back. If you don't turn things into politeness pissing matches where you continuously defer back to the other person when they ask for your opinion, you're a person who goes along with the pace of things and makes decisions. You'll note that there's no bossiness in these examples either.

AndersonPUA
01-2008-02, 04:13 PM
Excellent post Sheek. On the mark throughout. Surprising for a guy with ADD, just kidding :)

Eastern Digital
01-2008-02, 06:50 PM
2. Stop Being a Pussy! Man Up!
The whole effemination thing. I think being mistaken for being gay is a bad thing. Call me a chode and anti-community, but being womanly and effeminate in the way you act, talk, and even think isn't what you should be doing. Women are not looking to be picked up by women. All that girl code stuff that some guys are incorporating into their game is NOT HELPING. Rolling your eyes in an attempt to "girl-code" and scaring away a homophobic AMOG by hitting on him may get the job done, but again, it's not making you any more attractive if guys are disgusted by you.

People actually take that advice seriously ? When I read TMM And i saw that "Acting like you're gay" to pick up a woman, I just thought "You've got to be fucking kidding me..." As a man, I couldn't act like someone who dukes other men in the butt no matter what the reward. Even if it got me ass, I wouldn't want to show my face in that bar again. Metrosexual is also a nono. Which brings up another point: Opinions openers ? Dude, that's the last thing you want to say to a chick. "I'm sorry ma'am, can you help me out ? I lack the confidence and decisiveness to make a decision about anything myself, can you do it for me ?" You don't want to defer to a woman at all, and especially have those be the first words that come out of your mouth.

kremie
01-2008-02, 10:03 PM
I think lot of guys need to just assess the situations that they're in with women in the game, obviously the gay thing might work in the short run but if yuo're planning for more than that night, it'll work to your disadvantage if you're running the alpha man scenario. There's a reason why it's called Gay, because it's GAY. If you're running the gay thing you might as well go the whole way and start wearing nail polish,etc. The alpha man scenario is by far the best, just don't be obnoxious about it like the above guy said about ordering for ppl in restaurants, there are certain limits to it.

Sheek
01-2008-02, 11:44 PM
Oh man, ordering for someone else at a restaurant is such a big no that I cannot fathom what I would do if someone did that to me.

By ordering for them I don't mean telling them what they're going to eat, I simply mean being the one that tells the waiter what she'd like to order. This is getting a bit too specific. ;)


Leading is where you say "we can see the movie at 6 or 8, which do you want?" instead of "um, idk, what do you want to do? I am up for anything..." When the person says that either time is fine, you then say "okay, we'll meet at 8 then, see you there." Leading is where when someone says "should we take my car or yours?" you say "take mine" or "take yours" instead of tossing the decision right back to them.

Yes, you're right. But again, this is specifics. Giving her no choice about plans is the as bad as giving her the entire choice. Just be able to make a decision if one must be made and she'll pick up on this, and naturally let you make more of the decisions. Like you said, there's a fine line between leading and being bossy.


Surprising for a guy with ADD, just kidding :)

=)
We all have our moments, right? ;)


eople actually take that advice seriously ? When I read TMM And i saw that "Acting like you're gay" to pick up a woman, I just thought "You've got to be fucking kidding me..." As a man, I couldn't act like someone who dukes other men in the butt no matter what the reward. Even if it got me ass, I wouldn't want to show my face in that bar again. Metrosexual is also a nono. Which brings up another point: Opinions openers ? Dude, that's the last thing you want to say to a chick. "I'm sorry ma'am, can you help me out ? I lack the confidence and decisiveness to make a decision about anything myself, can you do it for me ?" You don't want to defer to a woman at all, and especially have those be the first words that come out of your mouth.

The community is centered around guys who lack the confidence to be direct with women. After all, if they had the courage to be direct, they would actively meet women and naturally become a more relaxed and fun presence. So, naturally, companies like this one market an "Indirect Approach," that caters to their fear of rejection and failure. By building attraction in her first without looking like you're attracted, you save yourself the possibility of shame and embarassment if she doesn't like you. After all, you "didn't like her in the first place." The catch is, the courage to be direct is something women desire. Even if you're turned down while being a man and not pretending to be uninterested, she will still have respect for overcoming that social fear.


I think lot of guys need to just assess the situations that they're in with women in the game, obviously the gay thing might work in the short run but if yuo're planning for more than that night, it'll work to your disadvantage if you're running the alpha man scenario. There's a reason why it's called Gay, because it's GAY. If you're running the gay thing you might as well go the whole way and start wearing nail polish,etc. The alpha man scenario is by far the best, just don't be obnoxious about it like the above guy said about ordering for ppl in restaurants, there are certain limits to it.

It doesn't really have to do anything with being gay, it has to do with effemination. Often, gay people are effeminate, but I know some gay guys that are well-respected alpha males.

The problem is, guys are being taught to act like women to "get by their defences" and "escape their bitch shield." The defences and shields are there to sort out the leaders from the leechers. A woman is much more attracted to a man who takes their tests and passes than a man who doesn't get tested at all. You want women to act a bit bitchy around you after first meeting them. It shows you that in their mind, you're "deemed worthy" of being tested out.

Like I said before, women don't want pussies. Sure, you can be one of their girlfriends that happens to have a penis -- you can be her sex toy. I look for something deeper with women, I look for mutual, deep attraction. I don't want to be her vibrator. There's no better feeling, for me at least, than having a girlfriend depend on you for certain things and to be able to provide them.

djtetsu
01-2008-03, 02:12 AM
I think the term "acting gay" is a bit of an exaggeration. Me personally, I keep mindful of my frame, I'm not a dancing monkey, I steer the conversation, and cut them off and talk over them like daddy did(playfully). So all of these are alpha scenarios.

That said, the main gay thing I like (from Lovedrop), is the emotional exaggerations. Women I think live in more the now than men, which means they are feeling all the stimulations of the present moment a lot stronger. Any time you're telling a story, tell it packed with emotion, and a short cut in describing how this is done is through calling it.. gay. I.E. "Oh my god..." blah blah.. I would not talk like that to my guy friends, but girls eat that up.

I would still advise in atleast playing around with it (from Lovedrop) and calibrate backwards. Also, a cuss word can put you right back in. This may or may not fit some people's style however.

Sheek
01-2008-03, 01:51 PM
I think the term "acting gay" is a bit of an exaggeration. Me personally, I keep mindful of my frame, I'm not a dancing monkey, I steer the conversation, and cut them off and talk over them like daddy did(playfully). So all of these are alpha scenarios.

That said, the main gay thing I like (from Lovedrop), is the emotional exaggerations. Women I think live in more the now than men, which means they are feeling all the stimulations of the present moment a lot stronger. Any time you're telling a story, tell it packed with emotion, and a short cut in describing how this is done is through calling it.. gay. I.E. "Oh my god..." blah blah.. I would not talk like that to my guy friends, but girls eat that up.

It's not an exaggeration, in the sense of effemination. Guys here notice that if they turn down their masculinity and act like women, girls are less prone to throwing up a bitch shield. This makes it easier to get past an opener, but then they struggle to understand why women show them nothing more than friend-zone interest. They don't think ahead, and realize that what might make the initial interaction a bit of a battleground of "shit tests" and the like, it makes for a much closer, more sexual connection after they pass her tests and she passes theirs.

Since they're stuck in the paradigm of "Can I do A1? Check. A2? Nope. How do I get though A2 better? Act like a girl. Can I do A2 now? Check. A3? Hrm, not working." And this is where they get stuck and become hopeless, because women mysteriously don't see them playing a sexual role in their lives. ;)

Heartwork
01-2008-06, 02:44 PM
Very cool!

Great work

DanJer
01-2008-06, 05:58 PM
Good Value.

Sheek
01-2008-07, 05:06 PM
Cheers guys, thanks for the props.

Edit: DanJer, thanks for thanking me in your sig! However, bad news... that isn't being updated anymore. :(

DanJer
01-2008-07, 07:17 PM
Yeah I saw that it hasn't been up-dated. But the down load links for the pdf version still worked yesterday when I tried... There was a time when it seamed every second post was "give me your game I suck and I'm too lazy to go looking..." threads. So who knows maybe a few people used it...

Sheek
01-2008-07, 08:20 PM
Yeah I saw that it hasn't been up-dated. But the down load links for the pdf version still worked yesterday when I tried... There was a time when it seamed every second post was "give me your game I suck and I'm too lazy to go looking..." threads. So who knows maybe a few people used it...

Oh, I thought the links were down.

Thanks!

DanJer
01-2008-07, 11:30 PM
Oh, I thought the links were down.

Thanks!

No, you can still download it if you haven't got it yet... It's massive though.

dman
01-2008-08, 12:26 AM
I read the bold bits, it was good. :)

Sheek
01-2008-09, 10:03 AM
I read the bold bits, it was good. :)

That's only half the post! :D

Thanks for the props, though!

J3adSeed
02-2008-07, 11:47 AM
The whole effemination thing. I think being mistaken for being gay is a bad thing. Call me a chode and anti-community, but being womanly and effeminate in the way you act, talk, and even think isn't what you should be doing. Women are not looking to be picked up by women. All that girl code stuff that some guys are incorporating into their game is NOT HELPING

This is very true. I've seen countless times where guys using MM are "successful" with this type approach, but I don't think their "success" is real... I think they have just come across as non-threatening. The girl thinks their gay, or otherwise completely doesn't think of them in a sexual light. So the girl is often times polite and responsive for a few minutes and will give up the number. To the average bystander this might look like the method is working great, but in reality, the girl was being nice because she saw the guy in a completely plutonic way, and the number isn't going to actually GO anywhere.

sevant
02-2008-07, 01:25 PM
2. Stop Being a Pussy! Man Up!
The whole effemination thing. I think being mistaken for being gay is a bad thing. Call me a chode and anti-community, but being womanly and effeminate in the way you act, talk, and even think isn't what you should be doing.

And the peacock is about the gayest looking thing in the entire animal kingdom.:D

SiliconMagician
02-2008-07, 03:11 PM
I always felt these 'methods' and 'systems' weren't entirely accurate or correct. About the only useful things I've gotten from the seduction community in gerneral I learned free of charge and practiced like hell to get.

1)How to look, speak and act ALPHA - This right here makes you game go up bigtime. Read Tyler Durden 25 points, internalize that shit and I guarantee you you'll get laid.

2)Cube - Okay guys, almost everyone loves the Cube, and Strawberry fields. These games are CENTRAL to my game. My system is like this

Opener
DHV story
2-3 minutes of conversational fluff

Plus Kino, if I'm not getting a positive response from the girl by the time I've spent 5 minutes of my life with her NEXT.

If she does respond with at least one IOI I continue on with:

Cube
Strawberry fields

By the time I'm finished here my hand SHOULD be on her knee, her knee against mine, and ready to isolate.

Anyway point is Alpha behavior, a few good conversation pieces and cube is all you need.

Extranjeras
02-2008-07, 05:36 PM
well said, mate.

I prefer to say 'no I'm not' if people think Im gay; fact, I'll laugh back and say 'no' like a gay man 'cause its funny to me.

but AWESOME post, man XD I need to man up.

Vulture629
02-2008-07, 08:18 PM
This is alright I guess...I agree with some stuff but shake my head at some things.

It's the idea of the magic pill, the idea that you can read an eBook/watch a video/attend a bootcamp and somehow magically become a pick up master without changing anything. Being successful with women isn't an ability, it's a personality. It's not a skillset, it's a belief system.
Agreed, except that it kind of is a skillset of sorts. Its more of a skillset AND a belief system. Its like any kind of sport IMO.

the foundation to every single pickup theory is "everyone can do it." As we ALL know, not everyone can do it. Very, VERY few people who buy products from pickup companies get better.
Don't confuse "everyone can do it" with "success is guaranteed." Mystery says it him self during an episode of the PUA. He says to some guy who wants to quit: We can only show you the door to success. But we can't push you through them.

Acting like you're a high school girl ("Omgg wow that's so super!!") isn't the best way to telegraph authority or manliness.
Agreed. Its what AFCs do. Then they get all emo and jealous when the female goes for their buds. Its happenning to a buddy of mine who got LJBFd...so now I'm gonna pick up the pieces and get me a valentines day hookup :D

If someone touches you in any way that isn't friendly, there's a problem. The rule I've defined is to allow myself to do something one step above what someone does to me. If someone leans onto my shoulder, I push them off. If someone swings at me I don't hesitate in doing whatever I need to end the fight. I personally train in a bunch of different martial arts and street defence systems for sport, but I even if I am certain I will lose a fight, I still fight for the sake of principle. Men should fight for that which they believe, regardless of the consequences.
This is where I disagree. Maybe its cuz my adrenaline level is unstable in those situations, but if I were to ever take that advice, I would be dead right now. There are so many times where I have wanted to hurt ppl (and I mean stabbing/shooting) because they were looking at me funny, or those examples that you mentioned. But if I were to ever do that I would be in jail. And I know ppl that have been to prison and it is not fun. So I avoid physical confrontation not because I'm chicken shit, but cuz I'm afraid that I might go to far.

I personally train in a bunch of different martial arts and street defence systems for sport
That makes zero difference if someone pulls a gun or knife on you. Do you want to take that chance? And don't say it won't happen cuz it WILL. I have witnessed 7 robberies in my whole life, and I was behind the register for 2 of them. And I was living in a fairly wholesome area at the time. And when someone pulls a gun, you STOP. Otherwise, you DIE.

Confidence is the knowledge that, should something foreign to you suddenly arise, you will be able to deal with it appropriately.
Thats the only definition of confidence I've seen that makes the most sense :D

Sheek
02-2008-08, 12:48 PM
This is where I disagree. Maybe its cuz my adrenaline level is unstable in those situations, but if I were to ever take that advice, I would be dead right now. There are so many times where I have wanted to hurt ppl (and I mean stabbing/shooting) because they were looking at me funny, or those examples that you mentioned. But if I were to ever do that I would be in jail. And I know ppl that have been to prison and it is not fun. So I avoid physical confrontation not because I'm chicken shit, but cuz I'm afraid that I might go to far.

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That makes zero difference if someone pulls a gun or knife on you. Do you want to take that chance? And don't say it won't happen cuz it WILL. I have witnessed 7 robberies in my whole life, and I was behind the register for 2 of them. And I was living in a fairly wholesome area at the time. And when someone pulls a gun, you STOP. Otherwise, you DIE.

If someone pulls a gun/knife on you, that's a completely different story than if someone shoves you in a club. If someone pulls a piece on me of course I'd stop and do whatever they say. If it's a life-or-death scenario that's dictated as easily as someone pulling a trigger, then yeah, you have to get trampled on or you die. Honorable deaths are overrated.

In terms of fistfights/club fights though, where people are reasonably enough screened by security to assume they won't have weapons. Sure fights can escalate, but I guess I take that risk. Some people might see it as stupid, and I can sure see why, but I personally wouldn't be able to live knowing that I let myself get trampled on. It would just depress me, I dunno. Hard to explain. I'd spend months thinking back and hating myself for not doing anything, much like a lot of guys hate themselves for not approaching some girl. To me, it's somewhat the same.

To be honest, when I was younger I was a bit of a bully, and then realized that bullying pretty much puts someone on par with the lowest scum on earth. These days, I can't stand people that try to intimidate others, and I'm sure as hell not letting myself be another stepping stone for these dirtbags' ego inflation.

Robbing a store to get money is different, in my opinion, than trying to fight/abuse someone weaker to get an ego boost. The former is somewhat necessitated by circumstance, and even though I don't think it's something "right" to do, I can see the motives someone might have for robbing a store. The motives behind bullying are symptoms of a character that's much, much more worthless than one who steals.


Confidence is the knowledge that, should something foreign to you suddenly arise, you will be able to deal with it appropriately.
Thats the only definition of confidence I've seen that makes the most sense :D

Why, thank you. =)


I hope this post kinda cleared up some of what I meant.
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SlowMotion
02-2008-11, 08:17 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with this post. This pretty much sums up my feelings about the PUA scene in general, I just haven't been able to say it as succinctly as Sheek did. While i think this stuff is useful, the bottom line is guys have been getting laid for hundreds of thousands of years and didn't need this stuff before, so there's no reason why you should see it as a necessity now. I'm not saying that you shouldn't use it; I read tons of PUA stuff, I just don't consider it gospel. I hate to say this because I think Neil Strauss seems like a decent dude, but some of the stuff he teaches seems to encompass a lot of the problems Sheek mentions in this post. The acronyms. The marketing-y, hype-y e-mails. Christ, he even tells guys to go to the makeup counter to meet women. If that girl became your girlfriend, how would you EVER be able to answer the question "how did you guys meet" and maintain your dignity? Women don't want some weirdo PUA. They want a normal, healthy dude who lives a balanced lifestyle. It's simple, intuitive stuff really. If you can become that by the stuff you learn in this community, then great. But if you find yourself becoming one of those pick-up weirdos wearing makeup and feather boas, I would say it's time to reconsider your priorities.