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eFlow
05-30-2006, 10:55 PM
usually the chick will say "call me" blah blah...is this putting the ball in your court or putting it in her's...obviously you shouldn't call her at least not when she expects you too, right?
furthermore, for example today I was texting this chick...I go "call me later when your home" she responds "okay"...
did I just put the ball in her court...cause now I can't call her and she probably won't call me...or can I still call her, or would I come off as mmm needy or something...

mks23
05-30-2006, 11:08 PM
at first tell her to call you. just act all nonchalant and say well if you want to do something call me. if she does then shell call chase you etc. easy

Iceman
05-30-2006, 11:16 PM
Its neither here nor there. It doesn't give any negative effect...at least in my opinion, so if you tell her to call you, and she does, then you know that you can keep doing that and she'll keep calling. However if you tell her to, and she doesn't...don't bother saying it again.

ware_ru
05-30-2006, 11:20 PM
at first tell her to call you. just act all nonchalant and say well if you want to do something call me. if she does then shell call chase you etc. easy
no way man. DON'T POST UN-FIELD TESTED ADVICE.
Rule number 1 of pickup is you DON'T MAKE THE GIRL FEEL RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY SORT OF ESCALATION. PERIOD.

JerseyTrash
05-30-2006, 11:28 PM
I take issue with that. Some PUA's, notably Stephan, don't even get a girl's number. He simply gives them his, because he doesn't want to feel like he is chasing a woman by calling her. If you tell a girl to call you, and she doesn't then bust on her for it, or simply move on. There's plenty of girls to sarge.
Plausible deniability doesn't have to exist in even sarge, in fact, I'd say the key to seduction is getting her to seduce -you-.

Iceman
05-30-2006, 11:42 PM
ware_ru: You seem to spend all your time criticising others for posting advice which you disagree with...labelling it as un-fieldtested even when you have no idea whether it is or not.
Now, I have no problem with you doing this, as long as you post good advice of your own. I see no evidence of that.

Sirducer
05-31-2006, 02:01 AM
usually the chick will say "call me" blah blah...is this putting the ball in your court or putting it in her's...obviously you shouldn't call her at least not when she expects you too, right?
furthermore, for example today I was texting this chick...I go "call me later when your home" she responds "okay"...
did I just put the ball in her court...cause now I can't call her and she probably won't call me...or can I still call her, or would I come off as mmm needy or something...
Who cares, dont think too much, always get her number or swap but make sure YOU follow it up.

Scooby
05-31-2006, 03:33 AM
Youre the man - youve got her number - take control - call her.

Fate
05-31-2006, 06:24 AM
I use the "call me" line if it's not a serious sarge or if I'm really not that *into* a girl. If she calls me, then fine, it's on. If not I'm not going to lose sarging time over it. On girls that I'm kinda into, *I* take control, and let them know I'll call them and then do call them. Just being alpha.

MojoRising
05-31-2006, 06:37 AM
no way man.Rule number 1 of pickup is you DON'T MAKE THE GIRL FEEL RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY SORT OF ESCALATION. PERIOD.
Dont know much about Ware_ru other advice but Iceman, i have to agree with Ware_ru. By telling a girl call me, you put the ball in her court. She has the upper hand. if she doesnt call, what you going to do about it?!?!?! You cal her.....oh no Mr.so called PUA looks desperate all of a sudden.
I never ask a girl to call me. I only tell her im going to call her, if im actually going to call her. Dont be a shmuck and say "I'll call you" if you know you wont call her.
If she says i'll call you, it may mean two things, she will or she wont, its 50/50. If she says she'll call me, ,i tell her, you better call me coz im not going to call you!
If she tells me call/text me when you get home, im using this example coz that what she said yesterday, i say sure thing. She knew it would take me 15mins tops to get home, i didnt text or call.....instead i logged into the forum and proceed to write a thread. SHE TEXTED ME asking if i got home, i didnt reply with an apology. I wrote, Sorry mum but had to check some emails and thought i'd write you one while i was at it. She was over the moon, coz in her own words "have something to look to doing when she gets back from work the next day"

mks23
05-31-2006, 08:48 AM
iceman why would i say something if i havent seen any positive result from it? You like the prize if you tell her to call you. shes putting in time and investment and in a way chasing you. guess your not that good looking that a girl would want to call you then

ware_ru
05-31-2006, 09:53 AM
I'll expound:
Two situations, you call her, she calls you.
Situation 1, you call her) Only possibility of a flake is if she has lost interest.
Situation 2, she calls you) Flake if: she has lost interest. She doesn't want to seem desperate. She doesn't want to seem like a slut. She doesn't want to be escalating. She lost your phone number. She doesn't know what to say and is afraid you will blame her for being boring. See where this is going?
It's almost the equivalent of coming in on a cold approach with hey you're sexy I want to take off your pants and thrash you wildly like they do in the pornographic videos that I watch every day and every night and I was just wondering will you be my Jenna Jameson? (Ok maybe that's not so bad.) Anyway, you can still pull that, but there are things that have much higher success rates. We're trying to do things that have as high a probability of succeeding as possible. Of course telling the girl to call you can and wil succeed many times, but the simple fact is that it won't succeed nearly as often.
And if you use Baby Girl's phone number close, anchoring good feelings to her picking up your call and talking to you, how can telling the girl to call possibly even near the success rate of you calling? And if the girl isn't that interested that she wouldn't call, GOOD. You can call her and practice your phone game. We're not gurus.

Sy
05-31-2006, 11:50 AM
Instant turn around line is "Sure but I'm gonna reverse the charges ;)"
I'll often find that if a girl is saying "call me" she's working for your attention and wants to see you again. I wouldn't worry about it, unless you have the "I don't call girls" thing. One thing I'd say though is make sure you get her to call you to set something up or to confirm details so she knows she has to work for it too.
I challenged a girl to come up with something fun for us to do and let me know before friday last night, she replied she couldn't think of anything cool. I told her she sucked in a reply and left it. Half an hour later she made a suggestion. Keep frame, but in general don't worry about calling.

V1be
05-31-2006, 04:04 PM
I actually did this the other day...I was talking with a girl and we were both about to go our separate ways and I told her to call me. Right after I said it, however, she called me out on it and said: "Wait was that an attempt to get me to call you?" It kinda caught me of gaurd but I saved it with a quick: "Well you can try, if I'm not around just leave a message with my secretary, Ashley's always a sweetheart.." she just laughed and walked away. Later on that night she called me. Even though I got the result I was looking for, I don't believe that this is the way to go, atleast in my experience. Once you get the girl's number I feel the ball is in your court to make the move. Don't leave any escalation up to her.
* * * * * *
When getting a girl's number I love saying..."So is there a number I can reach you at?" In this case if she hesitates and responds no, then you can just be like "wait so you dont own a phone? that's so anti-social." and then walk away. I think I got that from Gunwitch and the Mackclub crew. props to them cause it's worked 100% for me.
`cheers
V1BE

DMan77
05-31-2006, 05:53 PM
It depends on how tight your game is.
If you're somewhere in a stage where you've displayed such higher value that she would be crazy not to want to talk to you again, then she'll call you without a second thought and your good to go from there, because now shes doing the chasing.
ON THE OTHER HAND..
If you haven't displayed a lot of higher value yet, then asking her to call sounds like youre asking her to come up with something to do or something to talk about. WHICH, makes you seem incredably boring and dull. She'll just see you as someone who can't work up the balls to call...
So its really about where you are with her... There part where tight game comes in, is being able to tell where you are with her.

Masters
05-31-2006, 06:06 PM
usually the chick will say "call me" blah blah...is this putting the ball in your court or putting it in her's...obviously you shouldn't call her at least not when she expects you too, right?
furthermore, for example today I was texting this chick...I go "call me later when your home" she responds "okay"...
did I just put the ball in her court...cause now I can't call her and she probably won't call me...or can I still call her, or would I come off as mmm needy or something...
You've been here a while man. You should read up on more theory!
Lets break this down:
You say "Call me later"
Who then is waiting for who?
You. are waiting for Her. to call You.
So.. if You. are waiting for Her.
Then She. is in control.
You already knew the answer to this. You just wanted reassurance.
Stop doubting your self so much.
This would just be easier if you would think of every single afc question you have.. post it all in a single post so we can answer it and then refer back any time another afc posts a stupid question. (I'm not being sarcastic here).
-Masters

Malibu
05-31-2006, 06:29 PM
Agreed with masters. eFlow have you read the VAH...if you havent I strongly suggest you should. It will help you to breakdown alot of questions like this and to analyse it so you can hold your frame. keep working at it dude.

eFlow
05-31-2006, 11:06 PM
Agreed with masters. eFlow have you read the VAH...if you havent I strongly suggest you should. It will help you to breakdown alot of questions like this and to analyse it so you can hold your frame. keep working at it dude.
mind u there was quite a diversity of answers...

Sean Carter
06-01-2006, 06:59 AM
hahaha good old eflow 322 posts and still asking questions like these- at least its not as bad as your 'should i bring her- or her mum?- flowers?' post- that one cracked me up
p.s. its cool that your this dedicated though- good job bro

Malibu
06-01-2006, 02:00 PM
eFlow....what you need to do man is calibrate each situation....your right...there is diversity in the answers...but there is one thing that holds true in everysingle one...YOUR FRAME...hold your frame tight and alpha....i think you need to start researching how to hold your frame together....once you do this alot of things will click in....you will be able to answer alot of these questions on your own. trust me. PM me if you want more advice...