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Fitch
05-08-2006, 01:30 PM
This is a REALLY big problem of mine. In my high school I don't have a very good reputation. It isn't bad, but it isnt what i would like. How would I go about pumping up my social proof/popularity in high school? This lack of social proof in high school prevents me from approaching chicks at my school. Like at the club, I'm a machine because I feel pumped up and because I dont know most of the people there. At high school, i wont even approach the ladies because i feel nervous, its really gay. I feel if i raised my social proof id be able to approach some chicks befriend them and their friends and on and on until I have a pool of chicks i can try to game. This would also make me feel EVEN more alpha and give me hot pivots to use at the club. Having my social proof explode would be very valuable to me right now. Any ideas on things i can do to raise it??? also i want to do this before summer hits so that ill be friends with a lot of guys and chicks who are friends with lots of hot chicks. thx.

Sovereign
05-08-2006, 01:40 PM
Yeah sure, go up to the most popular guys in the school. Tell them all that you can show them how to pick up women. Give them some basic MM 101, then pick the hottest girl there, walk up to her with complete confidence (and you will have social proof walking away from the 'popular guys'), go right in with an opinion opener, and point to one of the popular guys as an example (perhaps he has the jealous gf for example). Do it right and you will impress the hell out of the guys, as well as get a good pivot. Your rep will change quickly.

Fitch
05-08-2006, 03:59 PM
ummm... im not sure that would work at my high school. Im thinking the "popular guys" would think that would be kind of silly. also, all the popular guys are friends with the hottest chicks, so that strategy would not work. anyone else have any suggestions? im sure theres a way. where theres a will theres a way, im just searching for the way.

EZRyder
05-08-2006, 04:59 PM
Where there are popular guys, there are popular girls. Walk up, FTC: "I've been having this argument with my friends and who do you think lies more, men or women" build from there. (man, that was way shorter than the PM i sent you). Also, dont think about how these are the popular guys. They are no more alpha than you. You are alpha and you are asking some betas their opinion. I think thats all i have to say on the matter, for now.

supreme
05-08-2006, 05:51 PM
Where there are popular guys, there are popular girls. Walk up, FTC: "I've been having this argument with my friends and who do you think lies more, men or women" build from there. (man, that was way shorter than the PM i sent you). Also, dont think about how these are the popular guys. They are no more alpha than you. You are alpha and you are asking some betas their opinion. I think thats all i have to say on the matter, for now.
I'm not trying to sound like an asshole but im one of the popular guys at my school and if someone came up to my group and asked that, with having no idea who you were you would get shot out in less then a second.
If you want to get in then you have to befriend one of our friends and build from there.

EZRyder
05-08-2006, 05:56 PM
I guess things differ from school to school. I didnt use canned lines (as i didnt know them yet) but I still managed to walk up to these groups and start and keep a conversation going. Some schools are just more cliquey than others I guess.

nForce
05-08-2006, 06:01 PM
Exactly ^^
I've changed school and college a couple of times now, and have been in the 'popular crew' in everyone. If your personality fits you'll go into it. I've gone into a college were everyone had known each other since first grade, and I've walked straight into the popular crew.
It's like this, you goto a school, you get placed in a group depending on who you are, if your a geek, you go with the geeks, if your a gothic, you go with the goths, if your a guy who has a laugh with everyone, doesnt take no shit, plays sports/athletic, youll soon be in the popular group cos no other group fits or suites you.
In class everyone should see what group you should be in, I always fucked about in class and have a laugh with everyone, also helps having huge social proof from my past colleges (I still keep in contact with all my friends)
Everyone in the popular group is there for a reason;
One guy might be in football team and be friends with all them, some guys might be the guys who fuck about in class, some might be the guys who get all the girls.
Just go try befriend a group, and if one is a dick AMOG him, some will take aliking to you or have commonalities (you both might listen to some underground dance shit happened with me) and then the guy your AMOG will come around to liking you eventually.
I remember when I moved highschool, I had like 4 guys trying there best not to let me in the cool crew, we'd nearly get in arguments everyday, slagging matches, they're now some of my closest friends, this was when we was real young, when you get past 15 it shouldn't be that hard haha

supreme
05-08-2006, 06:02 PM
I agree.
My school is way different than others. But the best advise I can give if you want to be in these groups is to befriend one of them like someone you have class with and ask them if you can hang with him. Tell them your current friends are being a bad influence and you want to hang with him. Works.

Dominance
05-08-2006, 06:05 PM
Yeah sure, go up to the most popular guys in the school. Tell them all that you can show them how to pick up women. Give them some basic MM 101, then pick the hottest girl there, walk up to her with complete confidence (and you will have social proof walking away from the 'popular guys'), go right in with an opinion opener, and point to one of the popular guys as an example (perhaps he has the jealous gf for example). Do it right and you will impress the hell out of the guys, as well as get a good pivot. Your rep will change quickly.Bad idea. This is my group at school, and there's a few reasons why this wouldn't work. Off the top of my head, the biggest one is: they don't think they need help with girls. And really, they don't. They're popular for a reason-they're good looking (in most cases). Social proof+good looks by itself is enough to get any girl they want in high school.
Next, the ideals of this forum are counter what society teaches. I make little comments to my friends occasionally that is generally a piece of advice easily found on these forums or in any pickup archive, but it doesn't really sink in. I get a "yeah, maybe" with a doubtful expression, and then it's on to the next topic. And I personally think they only listen that much because they notice that I have girls running around after me recently (props to this place).
Plus, you're trying to walk into a group that knows where you are in the social scheme of things and assert yourself as higher value than them. Not going to work when they know where you are at.
There's a much, much easier way. Make friends with one person in that group. Doesn't have to be the leader-in fact, it's easier if it's not the leader. Make friends with them. Ask that person what he/she's doing on the weekend, and invite yourself over. They'll let you come. If they don't, try again in a week or two. If they still don't, fuck that person and try someone else in the group, although I highly doubt this will happen. Once you're at the thing on the weekend, try to make friends with as many people there as possible. Continue inviting yourself to their things until they're inviting you.
Voila, you're in. That's the art of clique jumping right there, by the way.

Dragon
05-08-2006, 06:12 PM
I can go into more detail later if you want but I'm short on time now.Simple and easy advice here: No need for canned lines and routines- willing to take flames- use the MM structure but depending on your size of HS it may or may not pull, personally I wouldn't go there. Just talk to popular kids and ladies then slowly dominant the frame from there.

Fitch
05-08-2006, 06:18 PM
this is all good advice, i appreciate it. It seems that we all agree that i would need to befriend one of these popular guys and then start hanging out with the group. im not sure tho that if i asked one of these popular guys if i could hang with them that they would let me in. BUt im pretty much going to have to actively include myself in some of their activities after school rite? most likely they would laugh. it shouldnt be too hard for me though, cus i look like i should be popular but im not. Its not like im one of those nerdy lookin characters. Im fuckin 6'4 i wear abercrombie/hollister i have diamond studs in both ears and most ppl respect me. most ppl who dont know me who figure out that im not popular are always surprised as hell.
i guess my problem is that i dont talk much during class and that carries over in the halls, etc. lately ive been talking more often, but most ppl already know me as the shy/silent/loner character. if i were at a new school id know EXACTLY how to be part of the popular crowd. Im just finding it EXTREMELY difficult to do it with ppl who have known for 3 years some even 5 years.

EZRyder
05-08-2006, 06:36 PM
PREFACE: As we've mentioned and i think we can all agree on, all schools differ socially. That being said
What worked for me to overcome the shy loner thing was to join the theatre/drama club. I've posted this advice elsewhere, but I will repeat. This helps on many levels. a) it gets you over your shyness, b) it relieves the image of being shy/a loner, c) IT GETS YOU OVER YOUR SHYNESS d) you'll make friends of many different social circles there. At least in my school, there would be some drama nerds, some normal cool kids (not THE cool kids, but the kids who kind of lived outside of the HS social circle of life) and some of the popular kids who had to take the class to get out of Home-Ec or something. Make jokes there and dont get associated with the nerds (you know the type, where everything is a monty python reference and use obfuscated $5 words to sound really smart). See if that helps, and then you even have an excuse for having changed to a more social person if anyone asks. "Hey, what happened to Slib, he's not shy anymore" "Oh he joined the drama club" I hope that helps

Dominance
05-08-2006, 06:42 PM
this is all good advice, i appreciate it. It seems that we all agree that i would need to befriend one of these popular guys and then start hanging out with the group. im not sure tho that if i asked one of these popular guys if i could hang with them that they would let me in. BUt im pretty much going to have to actively include myself in some of their activities after school rite? No. This would make you one of the wannabe's who orbit but aren't in. The best way is to make friends with one of them is in a class of yours. Start off by just making conversation, i.e. saying the class sucks or something. Build from there. Once you've got any sort of rapport, greet them in the halls. Etc. Don't just start hanging around them out of nowhere.

Fitch
05-08-2006, 06:51 PM
I appreciate all the advice ive got. I do have one last thing tho haha. Its not that im not social, its just that i find it hard to talk about things that these popular guys talk about (im not sure exactly). I pretty much just see them talking about stories about things that happened over weekend, people who did crazy shit, goofing around, jokes, making fun of ppl, etc. I know this is sounding really lame, but not knowing what to talk about is a problem for me? any suggestions?

Sovereign
05-08-2006, 06:59 PM
They talk about:
Girls
Sports
Girls
Music
Girls
Unpopular kids to make fun of
Girls
Their Parents
Girls
Money
Girls
College

GameBoy
05-08-2006, 07:03 PM
I'm moving this to the Under 21 forum.

Yellow Playa
05-09-2006, 07:02 AM
To be in the "popular" group is not as hard as ppl make it out to be
if you have good body language and all you have to be is social and a nice person then they'll most probably accept you. (you can start cocky funny shit after they accepted you dont be cocky tooo fast)
Another thing would be having stuff in common to talk about, although i can say i'm in the "popular" group, i'm not with the alpha male group (jocks) because i simply do not connect with them as well because i simply have nothing to talk about with them although i do have small talk with hte occasionally.
I don't like to game chicks in school based on the fact that you see them every single fucking day and if you fuck up everyone is gonna know about your business, i couldnt care less what they thought of me but it still would make a less comfortable atmosphere. And as some of the people here said as you get older 16/17 people start caring less about being popular and stuff and start to befriend people based on personalities and not looks etc..

porky
05-09-2006, 09:39 AM
dude...been their done that.....last year I definitly WAS NOT in the popular group...but i got in pretty easily....
game the guys asif you would game the chiks.....go get an oppinion opener.....try the flossing one....tell FUNNY stories and show them that u can stand up for yourself! probably one of them WILL try and shoot you down...just shoot him back down again...in a cocky funny kind of way (dont tell him to F&ck off or his friends will kill you) just be humerous and they will like you.
tease them alot also.....u must make then know ur not some looser trying to become friends with them.....ur urself and you do what YOU like.
dont EVER lose your frame or your skrewd.
peace m8

svt
05-09-2006, 10:22 AM
I only read the first few posts but i just went through this and now im out of highschool.
BEFRIEND EVERYONE, AMOG THE MEN TO DEATH.
Just be a playful alpha, girls love cocky funny to.
-dream

CandymanPUA
05-09-2006, 11:31 PM
getting more social proof at high school as in rising the ranks of popularity.
the key is high status humour befriend the guys, nd get them all thinking your a cool guy, i cant give you enough techniques to achieve a sustainable social position so i can only throw at u concepts.
seek friends out with the girls.
stack some DHV stories for both guys nd girls.
keep ure energy levels high.
be a well of good energy say hi or wassup or nod smile to everyone ask people how they are with genuine interest when they respond, tell them your great and be enthusiastic have something interesting to say about yourself
come up with cool hand shakes with the guys nd the really popular girls.
chill out in the cool sector if you have something to contribute to a circle of conversations do so at once, nd be like holy shit that reminds me of blah blah.
the underlying communication when you are DHVing when your socialising is not that your trying hard to impress them its your genuinely interested in talking about yourself lol.
don't flirt unless your really getting the right vibe at school. or you risk getting shot down hardcore. its ok to flirt with ppl in a different year group that still works.
you can give genuine compliments: a girl with awesome hair, like if its really straight tell her u love straight hair, nd ask her if it was done chemically.
seek friends with girls in your year not lovers. seek them as lovers out of school.
if your commenting on how boring school is have a solution, do something fun, be like hey wanna thumb wrestle.
but neway ease into it, get eye contact with a girl smile nd say wassup. or hey in a smooth light tone of voice, nd then leave it the girls have got gossip to talk over so dont interfere unless uve got something more interesting, not necessarily game. eventually the hey and wassup develops a rapport with them nd u can start deeper conversations, nd u can physically escalate by asking them to thumb wrestle, u can get to know them get their number, tell them about parties coming up.
thats another thing. when your friends with the cool guys tell them about a hot party u went to nd ask them if they know of ne coming up.
kproz. thats a gg.

sopio
05-16-2006, 09:30 PM
This is all pretty good information you guys are providing, except with the opinion openers the guys might act nice but once you walk away they'll start saying how much of a tool you are, unless your inner game is tight and it sounds pretty damn genuine.
One thing you definitely have to learn how to do is be able to talk to a guy for 5 minutes and have him walk away thinking that your a pretty cool guy. I think it was the craig from dyd that said something like "If you can't talk to a guy for 5 minutes and have him walk away thinking your pretty cool, then you won't be having any success with girls."
Just talk to them in class about the basic guy talk. just mention something about how hot one girl is or making fun of one of your teachers. Say it casual and make sure you don't sound like your looking for approval from the guy.
For instance if you're in class and a hot chick walks by your desk check out her ass and then turn to one of the guys around and be like "man, I never noticed but Stacy has a fine ass." Non approval seeking, your just stating whats one your min. Soon enough the guys will start talking to you about whats ever on their mind, and once you've established some rapport with them I'd just be like "hey man, gimme a call tonite man and we should chill" if he says no ask him again next weekend.
If I we're you I'd also join some sports teams that you know most of the popular guys are on and it would be way easier to befriend them and join their click. And as mentioned in the other post always be alpha and don't take shit from anyone.
Good Luck

Vincent Chase
05-16-2006, 11:13 PM
You don't get popular by doing things IN school, you get popular by doing things OUT of school. Find out what parties are going on, show up (everyone will assume someone invited you,) have a killer time. Go to the local hangouts, invite some kids from another school bring some pivots or just some chicks in general, have a killer time. When you're at a venue and there's some a cool kid,walk up and introduce some folks to 'em and just walkaway and have a great night, gossip is the blood of highschool.
Soon it'll be known that you're a chill guy, you're at all the cool spots, you're with cool people, you have a great time no matter where you are, you've been seen talking to the "cool kids" and you act as though you are cool.
If it smells like shit, tastes like shit and talks like shit, it's shit. Therefore, you become cool.
Forget approaching chicks in school, forget using lines in gym class, forget teaching dudes how to pick-up women, just be fucking cool and you will be, how do I know? I'm a fucking god, come on down to my part of town, Stratford, Wisconsin, USA ask about me... go ahead, I dare you, everyone between the ages of 14-19 knows me and my reputations guaranteed, that's not to say that people under 14 and over 19 don't know me, they do, just not EVERYONE... yet.

javajunkie
05-18-2006, 01:43 AM
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It's like this, you goto a school, you get placed in a group depending on who you are, if your a geek, you go with the geeks, if your a gothic, you go with the goths, if your a guy who has a laugh with everyone, doesnt take no shit, plays sports/athletic, youll soon be in the popular group cos no other group fits or suites you.
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boy, am I glad schools over here dont have that sort of rigid "caste clique" thing going on. In my experience, It was much more of a fluid thing, where cliques formed and fell apart over time.
Of course, the dynamics could have been different with my alma mater being an all boys school and all, but I think its not quite as set and dried as you seem to think.

apg96
05-18-2006, 06:41 PM
throw a great party. At my school even when a loser throws a party everyoe shows up. Of course no one talks to them. BUt dont let just anyone in and also kick ppl out that are bugging u. That will help give u some social proof. Then talk to a HB then u have a seduction place right up stairs. And most of the time the drunk ppl will even stay the night. That will incld. alot of girls as long as ur not creepy.

Iceman
05-18-2006, 08:36 PM
Its the co-ed schools that tend to have these almost religious-like group structures.
The single sex schools tend to have more fluid group dynamics.
I think it all boils down to the fact that the girls don't want to be seen hanging with ugly girls by the cool guys, and the guys don't want to be seen hanging with geeky guys by the hot girls.
Whereas at a single sex school, there's no one from the opposite sex to judge you, so people tend to be more accepting, especially in all-guys schools (all girls schools still tend to have very defined groups)

Split
05-19-2006, 06:31 AM
Dude i totally know where your coming from. I had exactly the same problem. Mine was just kinda unlucky we moved when I went up to High School, and cos of being ginger i had the piss taken straight away and it slowly went downhill from there. I got to year 9 and now I'd got everyone to fuck off but I was a bit of a loner and I knew it just wasn't me. Eventually I stopped kicking myself, I realised I wasn't getting me newhere. I was stuck with what I had. What did I do? I started skating. ("Find something aload of cool people are interested. Wow you just happen to love it to.")
These are cool people for a reason, I got loads of advice for skating and it gave me something to talk about. Started making jokes and being more relaxed. Then I got to meet their friends (Once you know one group of people you'll get introduced into there social circle, even if it's by accident. Your hanging with their mates, you've gotta be cool.) Then I hit a problem I got stuck with one group of friends. But now inspired with confidence from discovering I wasn't a complete jackass, I went back to the people I'd left. I just Amogged them into the ground. I was in. Previously to the guys I started skating with I was beta to them but as they saw that actually I knew everyone it slowly turned around I stopped calling them they started calling me.
Ok so recap:-
- Find someone cool, or aload of cool people.
- Find something they really like. It helps alot if you like it. I'd always liked skating before that.
- Get talking and work your confidence up.
- Work on good body language. If your stuck on what it looks like hire out a movie with someone like Brad Pitt, or Pierce Brosnan in it and watch how he walks, holds himself.
- Slow down, don't speak fast, hell you've got all the time in the world.
- I think someone said it earlier, make friends, don't date unless your exactly sure what ya doing.
- Keep your frame, your amazing, don't let anyone else say otherwise.
- Keep a cool head and stand up for yourself. Can't be stressed enough.
- Have fun things to do with other people. Be the interesting guys, thumb wars, juggling (group juggling is good), have a rugby ball or football with ya, have photos. For some reason I can't work out everyone loves looking at photos. Theres loads. If you think of some post them down because they're really good.
- It doesn't matter if you not having a good time. Pretend you are, everyone will come to be around you, then the good times will come. If your stuck nemore give me a word.

Fitch
05-19-2006, 06:06 PM
this is pretty ausome. I really appreciate all the advice that ive gotten. since the time i started this thread ive already improved a little socially. Now i pretty much need to go to where the cool people are and have a fun time. things are finally making sense lol. now that i think about it, not letting ppl put you down is very important, that was a prob. i kinda had im still having some problems sometimes. LIke someone might say im gay or something like that so ill just say something stupid back. ONe time this jackass was given me a hard time and other ppl saw him doing it to me so they did the same (this is why its EXTREMELY important not to let anyone do this; if someone sees you being made fun of, theyll start to make fun of you too). its like a viscious cycle and then pretty soon everyone would make fun of you. anyways i walked up to this guy got in his face and told him to stop or id kick his ass and he definitely stopped lol. were actually cool now lol. at first ill have to do all the work (like calling ppl asking bout parties, but then ill be in and theyll call me). ohh yea lol, i have another thing. some ppl say i have a monotone, this cant be good right? how can i change that?

Fitch
05-19-2006, 06:21 PM
this is pretty ausome. I really appreciate all the advice that ive gotten. since the time i started this thread ive already improved a little socially. Now i pretty much need to go to where the cool people are and have a fun time. things are finally making sense lol. now that i think about it, not letting ppl put you down is very important, that was a prob. i kinda had im still having some problems sometimes. LIke someone might say im gay or something like that so ill just say something stupid back. ONe time this jackass was given me a hard time and other ppl saw him doing it to me so they did the same (this is why its EXTREMELY important not to let anyone do this; if someone sees you being made fun of, theyll start to make fun of you too). its like a viscious cycle and then pretty soon everyone would make fun of you. anyways i walked up to this guy got in his face and told him to stop or id kick his ass and he definitely stopped lol. were actually cool now lol. at first ill have to do all the work (like calling ppl asking bout parties, but then ill be in and theyll call me). ohh yea lol, i have another thing. some ppl say i have a monotone, this cant be good right? how can i change that?

Spyki
05-20-2006, 03:17 PM
There's a difference between social proof and approach anxiety, SP makes you more desirable but AA will stop you playing this to your advantage because you won't even be opening girls! I'm at college too and the most important thing to have in school is energy, i pump myself up on a mornin listenin to my favourite music, i'm almost dancin by the time i'm in the door. School is in many peoples opinions the best place to sarge, no one has sheilds up and theres no need for neggin... so just smile and have some fun! :p
Spyki

TimothyExpress
05-26-2006, 05:34 PM
These techniques are all cute and cuddly, but let's think here... why are you giving these guys all your power? At my school I don't look up to anyone, they are no higher than me... Don't be intimidated by them, if you see it in your interest, develop your social circle around them. Although I used to have this issue, I don't have any idea of them being "cooler" than me or anything