Thread: Please Help...Stripper Advice
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02-01-2007, 10:56 PM #1
Before I start just want to say I'm new to the community and that I have only read The Game and I have signed up for a boot camp here in Toronto. So if I posted in the wrong section or if this shouldn't even be talked about on here I am sorry. And sorry but this is gonna be kinda long...
Please Help...Stripper Advice
Okay so quick background about me and what happened to me on Sunday. I'm a 21 year old university student and last Sunday I went to a strip club that is well known and one of the high class strip clubs in Toronto. This is the only strip club I have ever been to and I have only gone here maybe 3 or 4 times before, always with these two girls I'm very close with (they are like one of the boys). So anways, this time I went alone because I just had a fairly big win betting on sports and I wanted to celebrate. I go into the club, get a drink, and just chill at the bar. I was having small talk with the bartender and then I asked him if he could recommend any girls for lap dances. He called over this girl, I'd say she was a HB8, very nice body and she had that porn star face. She takes me to the back and gives me a few dances. Then I tell her I need to go for a smoke but I'd be back. She asked me if I could pay her for the dances I got so far and I said yes. So I go out and when I come back she just seem more intimate. We started talking about our backgrounds, what I do, past sexual experiences and so on. Now I've never had a stripper be this open and cool before but then again I don't have much experience so this maybe nothing new. As we talked more she became more open discussing sexual experiences and she even gave me tips when I told her about a 3-way I had a few weeks ago. Now here are some IOI's I got:
instead of giving me a dance she was, for the most part, on top of me just talking.
she kept telling me she liked how I smelled.
She pressed her lips on my neck a few times, and this club is very strict on body contact so thats why I think it was an IOI.
She told me things that go on in the back of the club (what the girls talk about) and she even told me she didn't know why she was telling me this. And I took it as a sign of trust.
The biggest IOI I got is that after every song she didn't ask if she should keep going or if I could afford the dances. And at the end I told her I didn't even know how much to pay her and she said "how about $300, or is that too much." I paid her the $300. Now I took this as an IOI (and I may be wrong) because I figuired she lost track of time just as I had and when she asked if $300, and it would have come out to a lot more than $300 if she had kept count, was enough and that she had enjoyed her time and wasn't worried about the money.
Now before I say anything I am not saying she was interested in me 100% and I know she was working but the things we talked about were very personal and we talked as if we were friends: no akward pauses, lots of jokes, ect. Now I was planning to go back and see if I could get her number. The way I was planning to do this was go around 1:00, the club closes at 1:30, get her to give me a dance and I would show her a card trick I know and then bring up the fact that I can read cards (like fortune telling). And then if she seemed interested I'd tell her something like, "well I can't do it here but if you want to grab a coffee after work I can do it for there."
Do you guys think this work and more importantly should I even try?
Anways, thanks for taking the time to read this and please be blunt. A lot of you on here have much more experience than me so if I seem like a total newbie its because I am. Thanks guys.
02-01-2007, 11:13 PM #2
You broke a few "rules" of stripper pickup, but it could still work out. Sometimes customers do connect with strippers and things do happen. But you're not really in the proper realm of game, unless it's sort of a Juggler game or something (and don't worry about that if it doesn't make sense).
Here's my advice, having been in a few similar situations, consumated and not. Don't go back right away specifically for her. That will be a little too needy and a little too telegraphed. If you do do it, be very direct and expect to get shot down. Just tell her you had a much better time than you expected to that other night, and you want to see her outside.
Otherwise, just wait on things and go back when you would normally go back and see if there's a connection there again. This time, talk with her without getting the dances. If she asks for dances, decline, and tell her the fantasy is blown because you've gotten to know her too well, and keep talking. If she stays, go for it. If she leaves, well, no problem, eh?
But if you're just starting, and only been to a strip club 3-4 times, don't sweat it. Don't dwell on it or worry about it and keep learning. You'll have plenty more chances.
I've been to the Brass Rail, but that's the only club in Toronto. I had a good time.
02-01-2007, 11:20 PM #3
LOL, this actually happened at Brass Rail. Only thing I'm worried about is if she takes it the wrong way and tells the bouncers to kick me out. Only reason I worry about that is because its a clean club and very close to me. But I could careless if I get shot down. I'm planning to go Sunday or Tuesday night after my classes. Also, since you've been to Brass Rail should I just chill at the bar until I see her? And should I even ask if shes working? LOL, and sorry last question, since I don't have much experience with strip clubs if a girl comes up to me is it rude if I ask her to sit down at a table with me. Because I mean she is working and if I'm not getting any dances then she should try another guy?
Thanks a lot though bro for your insight...appreciate it!
02-01-2007, 11:38 PM #4
The world is a fucking small place, isn't it?!
There was a dancer in Denver I was like this with, and I was married at the time, so I never pushed it. But I definitely spent the money, and she definitely looked for it, so I knew it wasn't happening.
If you spent $300, even Canadian, she will remember you for a while, and if you're not paying on a second visit it will make it very clear which way things are breaking.
Just go in, sit at the bar, and wait for her. Be friendly and polite to everyone as normal. Remember that you're the customer in the club (whether you actually think of yourself that way or not) and you can ask for anything you want within reason. Don't be insulting, however. Just be cool and fun. You can certainly ask them to sit down with you. Where I draw the line is that I'll tell them after a while to go make money. Sure, they're working, but they can decide how to do that and it isn't your responsibility. If they'd rather hang with you and not make money, that's their business. The main rule of strip club game is to break the customer/provider relationship so as to connect like two people. Sounds like you had a little of that, so you have a chance with a repeat visit. The danger is that she might just be looking to develop a regular who will drop $300 every visit, so beware if that's not what you want to happen.
If you're honest, considerate, and direct, you won't have to worry about getting tossed out. That's reserved for the truly rude and grabby guys. Get in the right mind frame, too -- you're not the one likely to stalk her, she's the one likely to stalk YOU.
But don't worry about it whatever happens. You're young and just starting in all this and you'll have a learning experience.
02-02-2007, 10:07 AM #5.
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I don't think any of your IOIs are certain to be legit. Even the money thing. Smart strippers know that "you can fleece a lamb many times, but skin him once only."
Generally if strippers want you they will either:
- not offer you dances at all (a real stripper IOI)
- let you know the very first time you get dances from them that they want to fuck you. (And then it is best to follow on the spot (if privacy permits) or immediately after work)
Ok, so that's >99% of strippers. <1% are very different from the others. To them customers are not subhuman. These strippers don't hate their jobs and hence themselves. In that case you can be nice to them as opposed to cold or cool, buy dances, and still connect. But even in this case, you still MUST stop buying dances from them, since they will have "rules" about dating customers. (As guideline it's best for you to wait for them to ask you to meet them, instead of the other way. There are exception, but you probably need a great deal of calibration to know when you are in an exceptional situation.)
Bottom line here is, I think there is a 95% chance you have no chance with this girl now that you spent money on her and she hasn't asked you to fuck her yet.
However, there is a 5% chance you are still in the game. In that case, you must remove money from the picture ASAP. (I think it's too late to go with the cool/cold guy/daddy figure strategy since you were nice to her the first time.)
02-02-2007, 12:40 PM #6
After thinking about it I think I did screw up my chances by paying her. And you are right what I took as IOI's may not be IOI's, again I am new at this. But I should tell you this also I'm not the type of guy who would just say she was into me just because she rubbed my arm or smiled at me I think she was attracted to my image. The thing that sucks is that I can't follow up with this anytime soon but next time I go I'm definetly not going to pay for a dance and I'm giving myself a 5 minute time limit when talking to her. If I can't either get a number or set up a date for that same night when she gets off I'm going to forget about her.
I think the reward is definetly worth the risk and that this will help my confidence a lot if I can get a date and or number. But after reading up on this subject a bit I think the whole stripper game is a little to advanced for me since I'm just starting out.
Thank you guys both for your input I appreciate the honesty.
02-02-2007, 10:32 PM #7
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Oh like Wow. This girl is good. She makes you pay before going out to smoke. Smart, because some guys will try to run off. She converses freely about sexual topics and insider information. That's a smart way to lull you into thinking you've got an inside track with her. She lost track of the number of dances? Nah, I doubt it. She may have decided to round down in your favor, but heck, you don't know for sure, and even if she did give you a volume discount, that's good business because it serves as an incentive for you to return for more.
I don't know what the dances cost, but at $30 apiece, you had at least ten, and at $20 a piece, you had at least 15. Do you know how many guys stop at one or two - four or five at most? Lots. To do ten dances for you, she's gotta be seeing dollar signs rolling around in her eyes and treating you as a prime candidate for regular customer status. The fact that you're a well-behaved, intelligent customer makes you that much more desirable - from a business point of view. And if you're having a good time, it's that much more fun for her to serve you.
Yup, if it were me as the dancer, I'd be in Looooove. Oh, I don't mean real love; I mean love as in you're making my rent kinda love. I'm retired from it, but I still feel like smothering you with attention. You sound like you wear naivete very adorably. You don't even know if she's gay, bi or straight, married or has a steady. Or if she's a single mom.
I hate to interfere with her money, but it sounds like she was all about the business. Yeah, 5 percent chance she was really interested, that sounds about right. 95 percent chance she was building a very nice fantasy, for which she was rewarded rather nicely. After all, that is the job. You have to admire a girl who finesses it well.
02-03-2007, 12:38 AM #8
PK and Ev know what they're talking about. Don't be discouraged, and give it a shot, and don't worry about 5 minute limits or ultimatums or anything like that. Just go play straight up at this point and learn from it. It's probably fantasy, but sometimes when you spend that much time with a dancer they show their true colors and let you inside, which gives you a chance. It isn't the most effective way, but it happens. So just go in looking to have a good time without high expectations, don't spend the money, and learn from the experience. If you can have fun no matter what, you've got a chance to learn a lot.
02-03-2007, 07:48 AM #9
Hey guys. Firstly, thank you very much for all your input and for being honest. I'm not worried about getting shot down from her because I know there is a very good chance that, after reading Ev's post, that she wanted to keep me as a regular. Also, I should have posted a few other things before...Whenever I go there I usually spend a lot of money, never less than $500, and I tip the bartender about $10 everytime I go up (and I'm sorry if this comes off like I'm bragging but I'm not...I'm not wealthy at all just a broke university kid who spends a lot whenever he goes out anywhere). And I'm not sure how strip club works but I'm pretty sure the bartender might have said something to them and they thought I had some rich parents.
And I also forgot to post this before but she told me about her past experiences with men and told me that she is single and that she is bi. And as far as the private things she said about her sex life I don't want to go into much detail because of her privacy but she said shes very submissive, she squirts, shes swallowed (I actually asked her if she had ever swallowed).
At this point I'm not sure if I even want to go on with this because a few family problems have come up and I wanted to put sometime into coming up with what to say and how to act when I go back. But if anything new happens I will post it on here ASAP.
Thanks again guys!
02-03-2007, 07:51 AM #10
And Star don't worry I won't be discouraged either way. If I get turned down it won't be my first time and because this is such a hard task, for me especially.