Mischaracterization Negs vs. traditional Linear Negs

**gauge** · 06-24-2006, 10:50 PM

Mischaracterization Negs vs. traditional Linear Negs

neg technology has come a long way. i'm interested in the growth of the neg from what most guys consider it to be, a one line statement, to a full on internalized neg technology or a mischaracterization neg.
while a one line neg is hung out there all on its own and left to the mercy of attack or even worse, ends up making the guy become a supplicator/qualifier by either outright apologetic words/behavior or saying he is "just joking" (bad qualifier) or something to that effect, the neg loses its power.
now a mischaracterization neg is different and a great example is to watch the beginning of Anger Manangement, in the plane. the black guy is negging Adam Sandler while taking a tongue-in-cheek jab at the politically correct establishment we live in today and Adam is qualifying himself to death. the more he tries, the more the black guy mischaracterizes his actions/words so he CAN'T WIN. so we can actually thank our target for this neg because basically we are using HER OWN STRENGTH--MISCHARACTERIZATION--AGAINST HER! this neg is so useful because it assumes that whatever you do is right and whatever she does to correct/criticize/accuse you of is wrong. this is how women in denial think and you just have to become a woman who is in GREATER denial than your target. you have to again become the top diva. you make her into the foolish guy who usually has to qualify himself to HER.
this helps me a lot even in approaches when i don't do a proper approach or i'm just sick of trying a lame approach and i just want to say "what's up?" ..this is almost qualifying yourself to her, but any negative response gives you a PERFECT opportunity to start your MN.
you: what's up?
her: rolling eyes look or silence, etc.
you: oh man, you're not one of those shy wall flower girls are you?..or.. did your goldfish die? sorry to hear you're having such a bad day hehe.. or ..oh. OHHHHH wait. i didn't realize this is your first time hanging around guys/in a crowd/getting out/whatever. my bad, i just assumed you were outgoing and all that..
basically whatever she throws at you in the way of something negative, you have to jump on immediately and MISCHARACTERIZE her actions in the same way girls MISCHARACTERIZE a guy's actions. put the blame on her shoulders. blame her for your fuckup the way guys say "oh you're a bitch" or "oh you're a lesbian". the difference is not to make it into a SOUR GRAPES comment but to make it into an im-too-cool-for-school comment that shows you have high social value and she obviously doesn't or she wouldn't dare to talk to YOU that way. (remember you are the bigger diva here) girls always make you walk on egg shells and they get offended when you say something wrong and they point it out, not realizing their hypocrisy. you just have to do the EXACT SAME THING BACK. this saves you the trouble of coming up with negs because you learn to neg in the context of whatever situation or feedback she gives you. this has opened my eyes to see the value of internalizing the neg attitude instead of just trying to make an external neg line fit the situation and try to qualify it if it doesn't work, out of bad habit.
this also teaches you how to spar with girls who think they are all that. and this lets her know that you're the Alpha of the group and she won't fuck with you. I did this to a chick. moved in talking, using kino. and these chicks were Bitch Shields up, Scotty. and as i was using KiNO on the arm and talking to a smaller girl, the taller girl (target) chimed in with, "you're creeping her out" and i said "what???" and i made her repeat. then i M-negged by saying "are you kidding me. so i should just stand here with my hands in my pockets like you guys and do the wall flower thing? hey if you don't have any personality, that's cool. but don't be intimidated by something new. maybe u should just get out more blah blah blah". then i made her start qualifying herself to me by making her say "oh no i didn't mean it THAT way, i MEANT that you're just intense. that's all i meant" to which i continue to M-neg because you can't leave her on top. you have to dominate the situation like a diva would until she sees things YOUR way and she knows you're the top dog around here.
and an interesting thing happened after we sparred and i kept sticking to my mischaracterization of her. even throwing in a few "calm down's" and the ol' i've-seen-this-before look along with "oh man please don't tell me you're like most of these drama queens out here" .. and a few "hey hey RELAX!" her: "i AM relaxed!" me: still saying "CALM down.. geez RELAX it will be OKAY." *SMIRK like she's going crazy but it amuses you somewhat as long as she doesn't lose it* to disarm comment if necessary.
this is basically the scene again from Anger management. it's supposed to be funny, but the funniest part is that that's how girls typically mischaracterize men and you just have to do it back to them until they get the point that you can't be fucked with.. So i'm combining body language, using my hands to say calm down, Mischaracterizing her actions left and right. etc. and instead of attacking me, she went after my wing who was a "cardboard wing"(a wing i constructed off the fly when you don't show up to a place with wings. you make your own wings by recruiting guys--showing social value. blah blah) and had no Game. So we left her with a "relax" and turned our backs to her and a few "wow i can't even believe this chick, she's CRAZY *with smiles and grins to indicate we couldn't believe someone would be THAT crazy or would dare to talk to US (the too-cool-for-school crowd) that way. then later in the night we were milling in the same place and then the same chick came over and started qualifying herself to me by saying "you're a really cool guy" (shaking hand firmly) and i immediately reassert my dominance by saying "then what was that whole crazy act over there?" to which she starts qualifying "oh no no i didn't mean that. i just meant this. i think you are a really cool person blah blah blah"..so it went from "you're creeping her out" to "you're a really GREAT guy." did she really mean that her message was just misinterpreted? of course not. but i made her qualify herself to me.
you don't have to worry about being logical with chicks. with guys it's all about logic or it at least comes back to common sense. with girls, it comes down to who is the most assertive diva. in this case, it needs to be YOU.
so i'm dedicated to practicing my mischaracterization negs for the next few weeks. since i had such great success with it.
(btw, this post has been edited for HER pleasure

hope it's more reader friendly )

**obie** · 06-24-2006, 11:24 PM

This is a very good post.
One of my new friends who is a natural (but interested in game) does something similar all the time. He basically negs with "wow this girl is so high maintenance" and makes her qualify over and over that she isn't high maintenance. Very similar idea. It's amazing how this works. Girls start qualifying to him ridiculously early in set because of the trick you're talking about. Interestingly enough, even girls that ARE high maintenance qualify that they aren't and drop their high maintenance schtick. Food for thought.
The thing I've kind of learned (for myself) about negs is that, instead of "neggING" i.e. deliberately engaging in a behavior, I am "negGY." Instead of thinking of negs as a set of lines, think of "neg" as an entire frame for your interaction. It's hard to explain, but most dudes really want to fuck the HB as soon as they see her but they put up a persona of disinterest and they convey that persona through the act negging, but imagine how much more powerful it is if you REALLY DON'T want to fuck the HB until she earns your attention, how would you be? You might not "neg" per se ("nice nails, are they real"), but you will be fun and playful and comfortable, and generally unimpressed by her sexuality, and you would inherently convey this attitude.
Make your A2 REAL, and see how much easier it is.

**gauge** · 06-25-2006, 12:04 AM

unfortunately i learned most of this stuff the hard way, so i'm not yet up to speed on all the terminology "A2" for instance still sounds like R2D2 to me. i'll check the glossary someday. oh almost forgot, reading the Game helped me see similarities in my Game with what others were doing already and answered some of the questions i had.
but i know exactly where you're coming from when you say "neggy". it's really the ATTITUDE that dictates the actions. guys always go about it backwards and try to fit foreign actions into THEIR attitude instead of fitting the FOREIGN ATTITUDE into their actions. it's harder for me to work with a guy who can follow the routines but has an AFC attitude than to work with a guy who REALIZES the importance of attitude, yet is still green to the material. i know that THAT guy will definitely have better results in the long run.
guys don't realize that the example is the very target right in front of them. she's the best teacher, not the PUA's. her ATTITUDE is neggy to begin with although it's not DELIBERATELY neggy so her position can be quickly challenged and shifted to suit your frame. but if we realize this and make our own ATTITUDE deliberately neggy, then we'll have no problem blowing her out basically. she's running Game on us, the only difference is she's naturally better at it because guys come up to her to offer her practice in negging them, BUT with the key difference that she doesn't KNOW what she's doing. she just knows that guys are coming up to her constantly so she can brush them off at will. the attention is coming to her. simple supply and demand. all we're doing is interrupting the S & D curve in our favor by cutting off the demand (neggy attitude producing negs) and making our own supply MORE valuable than hers in the process.
this attitude also carries over into command language which i'll post on next. helped me ! close 2nite.