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    Thanks for the help, sorry for the long post, a lot of you would't be fucked reading

    Quote Originally Posted by philemon View Post
    see,mysterious7 you got it all wrong,when i say ignore her,i don't mean avoid her totally.
    Yeah I didn't end up fully ignoring her as this would have been stupid because at the end of the day my playfulness and the ability to make jokes and make her laugh is the most I've got running for me. Fully ignoring her is not going to get me anywhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by philemon View Post
    she is now chasing you: she is giving you compliments and telling other guys you
    asked her out. you need to enourage her to chase you more.when she asked you"what are you doing tonight?"
    you can ask her something like"are you asking me out?"you can misintepret some of the things she says or does as her
    chasing you and see where it goes.
    Why can't she chase me properly? like text me or call me or ask me to hangout or something.. instead of telling others I asked her out or complimenting me... etc. I asked her out twice before in the last 5 months which kind of communicates that I like her, so she should be more direct in her chasing now because she has the confidence that I like her, instead of going around and playing games to try and get my attention again or get me to chase her again..

    Quote Originally Posted by d_downs View Post
    Why are you bothered about the ex? Do your thing and win her over. It's non of your business who she talks to and you need to work on controlling your emotions.
    Yeah man when I think about how I got angry before I laugh at myself, not worth it.

    I am bothered about her ex coz their relationship has been going on and off for the last 7-8 months, (I've known her for 4-5 months). Every time I hear they had a fight I get so happy.. 3-4 weeks later I hear that they are back speaking to each other again and then they are back together! and I am like "damn it"..

    I don't know how to win her over! I work with her once every two weeks and every time I work with her I get big IOIs, compliments, kino and she asks questions about me (<--- sign of investment, I think) but then as soon as we both go home I don't hear from her till the next time I see her at work in two weeks! I am refraining from texting her until she texts first.. coz I've asked her out twice already, so I am going to look so needy/don't have options if I am chasing a girl that flaked on me twice before.. instead I am waiting for her to come to me or make a move.. Am I in the wrong? Should I be trying to initiate contact during the two weeks?

    I am seeing two other girls at the moment, but that's the one I want, I don't really know if it's because she's a HB10 or because she's harder than all the other hot bitches.. it's a big challenge for me.. I kinda of like it but I don't want to lose at the end..

    Quote Originally Posted by d_downs View Post
    When the ex returns, she'll have a choice to make. Return to the comfort of the relationship or take a chance with you. The only way you win is if you quit worrying about someone who isn't around and go for a type of close: kiss, fuck, mess around, date, whatever. Make a move, get her thinking about you and let the rest take care of itself
    How do I get her thinking about me during the two weeks that I don't see her? I'll have to text, yeah? Obviously she does think about me to an extent or else she wouldne 't have been speaking to people about me and stuff. Our mutual friend told me that she reckons her ex hasn't screwed at all on his holiday overseas and he's been thinking about her.. etc. That's probably what her ex has told her on the phone since they've been speaking on the phone everyday.. I'd bet $50,000 that he's lying to her and that he has tapped some ass while overseas! and you know how girls fall very easily for all this being "Loyal" bullshit!

    I would totally kiss close if I can get her to hang out with me outside of work but she flakes, can't do anything at work, even if it's only us working and there is no customers.. we have a camera in every corner at the shop..

    Thanks for all the help guys and sorry for the long post



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    She's not going to drop the guy right away, it's just not going to happen the way you want it and you lack of patience is just going to fuck your game up.

    She has emotional investment in him.

    Put the energy into sarging other girls. You see her every day, other girls, you don't.

    The more girls you date, the more fun you have for yourself, the more she'll be wishing she was having fun with you. She shouldn't be your priority, being that she works with you.

    Once you work somewhere else, it'll be interesting to find out if she keeps in touch.

    You said it yourself, she has this on and off thing going with the guy. When it's off, she's prob. going to chase you, but she's got high risk of flakiness and going right back to him, and if anything, THAT will make you feel worse because you're going to feel second place to this guy. She has to get the reinforcement from her social circle to move on from that guy.

    He's not your rival, he has emotional investment in her, and for whatever reason, she's not willing to give him up yet.

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    Why can't she chase me properly? like text me or call me or ask me to hangout or something.. instead of telling others I asked her out or complimenting me... etc. I asked her out twice before in the last 5 months which kind of communicates that I like her, so she should be more direct in her chasing now because she has the confidence that I like her, instead of going around and playing games to try and get my attention again or get me to chase her again..
    That's because you are a man,she is a woman.She sees you everyday,she doesn't find the need to go direct,you need to MAN UP and take action and by taking action is by giving her opportunities to make moves on you by flirting.friendly kino at work,romantic kino outside work.use the boyfriending technique when you are both alone and as for texting and calling,you don't need to because you see her everyday and you can still make things happen,texting and calling is actually meant for cold approach.The only time I recommend that stuff is when you guys actually planning to go on a date and you want to make sure things happen,if she calls and texts first kudos to you.you can let her invest more through that.
    Step your life game up

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdnightfly View Post
    Put the energy into sarging other girls. You see her every day, other girls, you don't.
    Quote Originally Posted by philemon View Post
    That's because you are a man,she is a woman.She sees you everyday,she doesn't find the need to go direct,
    Quote Originally Posted by philemon View Post
    as for texting and calling,you don't need to because you see her everyday and you can still make things happen,texting and calling is actually meant for cold approach.
    She doesn't see me everyday, we both work part time. I work with her one 4 hours shift per fortnight, so she sees me once every two weeks.

    That's why I was considering initiating texting to get the ball rolling, because I think she grows cold during the two weeks when I am not seeing her, while her ex can keep her warm with his texts and calls everyday because he has a lot more comfort running for him, I can't.

    Quote Originally Posted by sdnightfly View Post
    Once you work somewhere else, it'll be interesting to find out if she keeps in touch.
    About 3 weeks ago, I had a fight with the shop's manager and there were rumors that I am leaving the job, a mutual friend told me that she asked him if I am leaving, he said "no" and she had a shocked look on her face (<-- his description). Next time she saw me she asked me if I am leaving and I said "no" again! I think she does care if I am around or not.

    After she flaked on me the second time about 4 months ago, I decided to move on, so I went "no contact". 2 weeks later she added me on Facebook and I rejected her friend request.. 3 days later she texted me "stranger how are you?" I replied after a couple of days with a one word text saying "good" and then after 4 weeks she texted me again:

    HB10: Why aren't you working tonight slut? (<--- She calls me slut a lot)
    Me: Got better things to do, I am sure you miss working with me
    HB10: youre a fag
    Me: It takes one to know one

    I think that in her head, her experience of initiating texting with me is very bad, I shut her down every single time, out of the 4 times she has ever initiated.. so it'd be interesting to see if she'll ever initiate again, I doubt it. Back then I shut her down because I was genuinely moving on! Because I actually thought that her flakiness was a genuine sign of me getting rejected so I moved on like a man.. But later when I learned through mutual friends about all what she's going through with her ex, it turned out she was flaky because she was confused between me and her ex (<--- My explanation to things)

    Are HB10 and HB9 less likely to initiate texting than HB7 and HB8?

    Quote Originally Posted by philemon View Post
    by taking action is by giving her opportunities to make moves on you by flirting.friendly kino at work,romantic kino outside work.use the boyfriending technique when you are both alone
    I've heard about the boyfriending technique before from a friend but never thought it was that effective until I read about it a lot today. I'll definitely try it couple of times on her when I see her next time in 4 days. Can you give me a quick example of how I can give her opportunity to make a move on me?

    Also one last question:

    What do you guys think if I asked her to do me a favour? just to see how she'll react about it and try to get her more invested.. for example I can ask her to drop me off somewhere after work, we both drive but I can always leave my car somewhere far. We finish at 9pm so it'll be dark, if I escalated high enough with kino and flirting at the shop I might try to get a kiss close in her car after she drops me off!

    What do you guys think? Will it look needy? Will she think it's sleazy? Is she gonna think I made up that I need a lift, to be alone with her outside of work and try to make a move on her?

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    Update.. tried to K-close and got the "I have a bf" line

    Hey guys, I worked with her today.. I got every single IOI possible tonight and then she said I have a bf when I went in for the kiss..

    We flirted a lot, touched, lots of kino, smiles.. sexual kino. I slapped her ass, I grabbed her boobs (by accident but we both acted as if it's normal).. She even gave me an unnecessary hug when I said I am buying my mum flowers for the mother's day.. she was like "awwww" and she opened her arms and hugged me! I did the boyfriending technique on her.. We were fighting over a balloon and she was jumping and throwing herself at me, I did two patterns on her one of them was a hand game with lots of kino.. smiles, laughs, jokes.. everything was going perfect for me!

    Later after work she was dropping me off somewhere and when we got there we said bye and I think she was going for a normal kiss on the cheek but I went for the mouth and about a centimetre before our lips touch she pulled back quickly and said "Ah I have a boyfriend" (<--- this all happened very very fast) I can't remember what I said back after that coz my brain went blank.. but I think I said something like "ah that's alright" I got my stuff out of her car, gave her a kiss on the cheek and she said "see you next week" and I said "see you next week"

    When I was driving home, my brain was going to explode from thinking, I was very confused and decided to send her a message:

    Me: I didn't mean to put you in that situation, I just thought you were giving me all the right signs, have a good night :)

    (Notice how I didn't say sorry, I made it seem it's her fault... it's so tough being a strong man)

    Her: It's all good, relax. And I am sorry if I gave you that impression. I'll see you next week xx

    (she apologized :))

    I think the bf that she mentioned is her ex that she has been on and off with for 8 months.. I think they're back again and that she was going to see him after dropping me off because she had her make up on and looked different (prettier).

    I have some questions:

    Did you guys think I handled this well? I decided to message her because I didn't want it to look that I got upset and I didn't want it to be awkward in the future between us!

    There is obviously nothing I can do at the moment but from you experience do you reckon there is a chance anything can ever happen between me and this girl in the future or is it dead? for example is she ever going to let me know if she broke up for good with her bf?

    She definitely got the satisfaction that I 100% like her and I don't like that, how do I treat her at work now? Do I stop flirting with her and be serious? or just be the same old me with no changes..

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    Why are you calling him a douchebag when he's the one laying all these HB10's and they're the ones running back for more? Sounds like a natural PUA to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kong88 View Post
    Why are you calling him a douchebag when he's the one laying all these HB10's and they're the ones running back for more? Sounds like a natural PUA to me.
    Being a douchebag and a PUA is not exclusive.

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    When a girl tells you she has a BF, it doesn't necessarily mean she wants you to stop. She's testing your leadership. It's a kind of last minute resistance. It's one of the ultimate ways for the girl to flip the frame on you to one where she is in control an has the keys to what you want. It immediately puts you in the puppy-dog chasing her role, which you don't want to be in.

    In fact, the situation you do want is the exact opposite - she should be able to sense that you are fucking other girls (without you talking about it explicitly, which is lame) and thus realize you don't _need_ her for sex. She'll still bring up her BF thing, but when you plow through that and get it on with her, she'll become the one scheming to get more of your attention, and you train her how to do it in a sweet and feminine way.

    But the reality is any attractive girl you meet is already seeing some dude, on some level, when she meets you. And they will almost always bring this issue up out of pride or to test you. I think there's a section on this in the original MM or Magic Bullets, which you should read. The fact that she's been out playing around with you and flirting with you means she's not happy in her relationship, whatever it is. Besides, having a BF is not the same as being married - people are always free to seek someone they like more. This could sound harsh but it's reality. We shouldn't use our relationships to hide from reality.

    When she said that, you should have said, "I don't give a shit," put your hand behind her neck, pulled her to you, and kissed her. The text was lame - I didn't mean to put you in that situation???! (You should have meant to.)

    Now, if the girl is screwing around with you when she has a BF, that may indicate she's not good long term relationship material because you wouldn't want her doing the same to you, and that's fine, but it doesn't mean you can't screw, enjoy each others' company, bond, etc.

    I used to have a hang up about this -- it was an inner game issue, my parents are divorced and I used to see faithfulness as a moral issue but the reality was I was trying to make situations where I couldn't ever get hurt, to protect myself. One of the smartest things I've done is decided it's okay if I get hurt, and stopped imposing these abstract ideas on the messy world of real relationships.

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    I ignored your previous question and wanted you to take action to avoid analysis paralysis.

    We flirted a lot, touched, lots of kino , smiles.. sexual kino . I slapped her ass, I grabbed her boobs (by accident but we both acted as if it's normal).. She even gave me an unnecessary hug when I said I am buying my mum flowers for the mother's day.. she was like "awwww" and she opened her arms and hugged me! I did the boyfriending technique on her.
    you use the bf techique wat happened?it looks like she was suprised by the kiss,so maybe the escalation was not on point.remember when i said friendly kino at work,romantic kino outside work.

    was your touching romantic outside work?and remember to make her invest is to touch and then release making her comfortable to touch you more,I guess probably u know that or did that.

    When a girl tells you she has a BF , it doesn't necessarily mean she wants you to stop. She's testing your leadership. It's a kind of last minute resistance . It's one of the ultimate ways for the girl to flip the frame on you to one where she is in control an has the keys to what you want. It immediately puts you in the puppy-dog chasing her role, which you don't want to be in.
    She actually has a bf,so I'm not surprised.if you weren't romantic in your touch and didn't do the bf technique right,you are probably in the friend zone.A friend can slap a girls ass is no big deal and she won't find anything wrong,I've done it before,it's not sexual It looks more playful to me.rather rubbing your hands on to girl's ass is sexual far above romantic and if she was even testing you,you shouldn't be phased by it.rather blame it on her and ask"what the hell are you doing" since it was an accident.From the way I see it,it looks like she wasn't testing you,she actually meant you to back off.

    Did you guys think I handled this well? I decided to message her because I didn't want it to look that I got upset and I didn't want it to be awkward in the future between us!There is obviously nothing I can do at the moment but from you experience do you reckon there is a chance anything can ever happen between me and this girl in the future or is it dead? for example is she ever going to let me know if she broke up for good with her bf?
    in order to answer the questions,you need to answer my questions and lets see what we can do about it.You weren't clear on certain things.
    Step your life game up

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    Alrighty! very very detailed as requested.. thanks beforehand! :D

    I tried to mark most of the the questions in red since there are too many within the text!

    Quote Originally Posted by philemon View Post
    you use the bf techique wat happened?
    I told her there's something in your eye, close your eyes. she closed her eyes in full trust, she was very submissive.. I acted as if I picked it up from her eye lid and then blew onto the tip of my finger.. she said thanks (probably smiled too) and walked away to do some work. Also I didn't think this went too well coz I might have poked her in the eye, coz she was rubbing her eye on her way walking.. lol I am not gonna think too much about that though.. fuck it.. I hate over-analyzing small bits and pieces!
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    Quote Originally Posted by philemon View Post
    it looks like she was suprised by the kiss,so maybe the escalation was not on point.remember when i said friendly kino at work,romantic kino outside work.
    Trust me man! I am the one that got so fucking surprised that she didn't kiss me.. lol. In fact she didn't look surprised at all, she looked like she was expecting that scenario and was trying to prevent it from happening because I got two negative signs that I shouldn't kiss her but I didn't care, I still tried.. I was like fuck it.. I've known her for six months and never made a move, what's the worst that can happen! I only live once!!

    The two negative signs were:

    1) she lighted up a cigarette when we got in the car and she offered me one (I didn't take it). I think she was getting her hand and mouth busy on purpose, she'll also be having a bad smelling breath from the cigi (doesn't really scream I wanna be kissed)...

    2) she had a small passport photo of a guy stuck with Blu-Tack on her instrument panel (right under the speedo dial). But since it was 9pm and dark I thought I'd get away with acting like I didn't see the photo.. The guy's photo was her ex (they got back again a week ago).
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    Quote Originally Posted by philemon View Post
    She actually has a bf, so I'm not surprised. if you weren't romantic in your touch and didn't do the bf technique right, you are probably in the friend zone. A friend can slap a girls ass is no big deal and she won't find anything wrong, I've done it before, it's not sexual It looks more playful to me.
    To be honest man, I don't think I am friend zoned yet! I know a guy that is friendzoned with her and she speaks to him about her ex all the time and no kino, they hardly touch.. sometimes she gives him friendly hugs (<-- I don't get that).. He's like her little gay friend. That's not me!
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    That's how I slapped her ass:

    Since her ex bf (or should I call him her bf) is Arab too, she knows that in the Arab/middle eastern culture it's disrespectful to slap a guy on the back of his neck. So last time I worked with her (couple of weeks ago) she asked me can I slap you on the back of your neck and I said "no" and I said something like I'll kill you or bash you if you did it, so yesterday she came from behind me (I didn't notice her) and slapped the back of my neck! I over-reacted on purpose so we can have lots of kino and we started wrestling with hands.. it took me 10seconds to hold her standstill with her hands behind her back and she couldn't move herself at all and with my other free hand I slapped her ass *bang* and she was like "Ouchhhh" in a flirty way! I released her right after slapping her ass..
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    She bought a packet of nuts from the next door nut shop and before opening it she came and asked me if I want some..
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    We were putting balloons up for the mother's day decorations and then I can't remember how things went but we started fighting over a balloon and coz I am taller than her I just grabbed it and held it high and she was throwing herself at me trying to grab it, and then she took it and we ended up wrestling over it and that's when I accidentally grabbed her boobs and squeezed (accident) but we both acted as if it was normal/no big deal
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    And then she came to me and wanted to put make up on my face.. Of course I said "No". (I am not a beta faggot I am strong alpha, or at least on the way to become one) and she was like "pleaaaaase, I want to see how this colour will look on you skin colour" and I said No again and she dipped her finger in some make up and started using force to apply it to my face, so I had to hold her from her wrists and freeze her hands before touching my face and then she said "do you think you are stronger than me?" and started using all her strength but of course she couldn't overpower me! I held her hands behind her back for a while until she stopped trying to break free and then I let her go and she very quickly tries to rub the make up on my face again.. I prevented her again so she goes and rubs it on my arms.. I over reacted and made a funny sound like "whaaa" and went rubbed it off with a tissue.. during all this interaction she was just laughing endlessly "hehehehehe"
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    Yesterday she asked one of the girls that was working with us yesterday "Doesn't he look pretty with this haircut?" The girl smiled (she's 17yo) and I was just nodding my head with my eyes half open (trying to act as if I've heard it so many times before and I am not that excited to hear it again)
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    And then she told me a story about her friend that is cheating on a guy that's saving every penny to buy her a ring and she was asking me my opinion.. (I think that it's a made up story and she just wants to know what I think of cheating in relationships).. she probably wants to know if I am gonna turn out like her ex.. (<--- my explanation) I didn't know what to say so I had to speak negatively of cheating and said something like "once a cheater, always a cheater" (<--- trying to stab her ex/bf very indirectly because she doesn't know that I know all the stories about him cheating on her, good?) since he has cheated on her a lot. Also I think this conversation might have made it hard for her to kiss me in the car.. I also asked her:

    Me: have you ever cheated?
    Her: no
    me: bullshit "in a jokingly way"
    Her: I swear on my mum (started swearing and swearing). Have you ever cheated?
    Me: no (silence for 5 seconds), Do I need to swear too?
    her: no, hahaha

    ^I am not sure, but I think that that made it to hard for me to kiss her in the car!?
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    I did on her the lying game routine from love system routines manual volume one to try and build sexual tension and it turned out that some other guy has done on her before. She said "my friend did it to me before!" I looked like I am using caned routines.. so I had to save myself quickly and said "Did your friend tell you that I invented it?" and she was like "you are full of shit"... blah blah blah.. and we laughed! nice save? It might have been her ex that did it on her since apparently he's too good with the ladies!
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    When I asked her to drop me off, it was 5min before shutting the shop:

    Me: Can you drop me off at my car 2min away?
    Her: of course, I can drop you off anywhere
    Me: would you drop me off at X? (60min away)
    Her: No (smile). If you really have to be there of course I will..

    As soon as we got in the car I did this game on her:

    Cool way to initiate kino and build comfort

    It went alright... except that she kept asking me are you for real or are you joking, but she was laughing all the time!

    The ride in the car was only 2min and I made sure it wasn't boring, I teased her on her driving skills and acted a bit scared when she was taking fast corners, she was laughing all the time and then she told me something like man up or don't be a bitch (<--- I wasn't too happy with that?).. May be I over did the being scare of her driving bit? but she only got her license 7 months ago anyway! And I said something like don't kill me there's a lot of people that love me that'll come after you :P she was laughing all the time...
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    She was standing on a chair and I lifted her up from on the chair and put her down on the floor, my hands were around her waist and she was slipping from between my hands so I had to apply more pressure to create more grip and I think it hurt her.. she was like ouch, and when she got down she didn't look back or anything and just walked away.. lol again I am not gonna look too deep into it.. whatever happened has happened! (that went bad?)
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    And during work she even gave me an unnecessary hug when I said I am buying my mum flowers for the mother's day.. she turned into a puppy face and said "awwww.. are you really doing that?" I was like "yeah I was a shit kid all my life better payback" and she opened her arms and hugged me! (I was thinking in my head what the hell?? That's very unnecessary, you haven't even met my mum before!!, I took it as a big IOI.. she was finding any excuse to hug me)
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    I think that she thinks I am good with the girls and I get a lot of pussy, I don't know whether she's basing that on my interaction with her or on my looks but she keeps telling me I am SLUT all the time. She said it like 3 or 4 times yesterday..
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    The list of compliments I received from her since I met her on my physical looks are endless:
    -I love gazing in your Arab eyes
    -I want your skin colour
    -I like your haircut, it make you look so tough
    -You are pretty
    -Your skin is so soft/your hands are so soft
    -You are so tall (smile on her face) and I said back "Or may be you are just a dwarf"
    -My mum likes your English accent (kinda of saying that she does too)
    -I love it when you swear it's so funny in your accent
    -I was teaching her how to do something in front of a lady customer and then the lady tells her to pay attention and then she taps my back and says "yeah, he's a great teacher" and then straight after that she says "nah, I am joking you're shit" or something like that..

    (some of those compliments would keep getting repeated nearly every time I see her, like the haircut one, I've heard this 15 times)

    I think I've got crap load of physical attraction going on.. what do you think?

    Let me know if you still think I am friendzoned? I am not here to argue, but to learn and I appreciate all the help!
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    Quote Originally Posted by philemon View Post
    "rather rubbing your hands on to girl's ass is sexual far above romantic"
    Very hard in a work environment! Would have looked sleazy even if done just after closing the shop on our way to her car, specially that we were wearing the work uniform..
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    Quote Originally Posted by philemon View Post
    if she was even testing you, you shouldn't be phased by it. rather blame it on her and ask "what the hell are you doing" since it was an accident. From the way I see it, it looks like she wasn't testing you,she actually meant you to back off.
    100% not a test! And my mind went blank, couldn't think straight at all.. but it's glad I decided to send her a message.. would have been awkward as hell!
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    What I don't understand?

    She cock-teased the hell out of me, she lead me on falsely like no fucking tomorrow! She made me think that she's very into me and then she didn't put out wit the kiss???!!!

    WTF man?! These behaviours are so fucking confusing! I just don't understand them... Why would a girl do that?? Why? seriously what's running through a bitch's mind when she's doing that.. She didn't look like she was shocked by me trying to kiss her.. in fact everything went on very casual. It's like me asking her "can I drink from your water bottle?" and she answering "no you can't coz I am sick"... VERY CASUAL.. she said "Ah, I have a bf" and pulled away immediately! No awkwardness at all.. I am the one who might have created a bit of awkwardness when I was getting out of the car because I accidentally dropped some of my stuff when I was getting out of the car, I had in my hands my mobile, keys, wallet, jacket and my work bag! She might have thought I am shaking and can't standstill or some other shit! she obviously tried to be nice in the 30 seconds I was collecting my stuff and leaving. She asked me "are you working on that day next week? (a day that she's working on)" I said "yes" (but it turned out I am actually not working on that day because I have a uni assignment due the next day) so she might think that I avoided my shift/work because I want to avoid her so I don't know how to get around that yet? she also asked me to say hi to my cousin (28 years old and married but he's a very funny guy and everyone likes him so that was very casual too) and she said "see you next week" and I said "see you next week"

    Can someone explain why would a girl give you very strong IOIs and not put out? can raise her self-esteem be an answer?
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    Here is what I think is happening between us? (My explanation to things)

    Theory number 1:
    Because the douchebag that she's madly in love with has cheated on her million times before, she has developed very low self-esteem that would make her behave in a dirty way like that with me!!
    I think she is a massive attention seeker and gets satisfaction when she cock-teases Arab/middle eastern guys (like her ex bf).. it's like it fills her from inside and satisfies her when she gives me blue balls.. it's like she's getting revenge! flirting her tits off with me and then telling she has a bf, seriously wtf??!! wtf! grow up! Very very weird behaviour.

    Theory number 2:
    This one might make a bit more sense since the one above is just super confusing!

    I think that HB10s and cool girls operate with having a backup guy.. A guy that passes their standards for LTR but he's a backup because her current relationship is still going on but it might be unstable! she knows he likes her and she keeps him warm by dropping IOIs to him all the time.. If he makes a move on her she would say that she has a bf but if her relationship with her bf goes sour she'd start warming him up again and dropping hints that she's single.. What made me think about this is that from an evolutionary perspective there are very few people that would pass for an LTR.. and if you find one or two you'd try to keep them in your pocket to make sure your future is safe.. so she doesn't want me at the moment but she doesn't want to let go too.. for example she always gets jealous when she hears I am with another girl.. or when I say another girl is pretty, but if I come to kiss her she suddenly has a bf! wtf?! Also her bf is a drug dealer, so she might be thinking that they don't seem to have future with each other.. it doesn't seem like he's someone to have kids with and open a house.. also there might be a lot of trust issue since he has cheated on her a lot before.. how will she have babies with him one day?! (she's the relationship type)

    I also think that the reason she never mentioned her ex bf/bf at all to me is because she wants to still be able to flirt with me freely without me thinking she's a slut or anything like that. She wanted me to always have the green light to touch her, and for her to touch me freely! (I think after her mentioning her bf to me, sexual touching will have to be limited), another reason might be that she doesn't want to turn me off coz her relationship with the other guy is unstable!
    -She might also have expected that people have told me about her exbf since she nearly told everyone except me!! (<--- but how can she be sure that someone told me?!)
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    About me:
    I've never mentioned anything about myself here before, so I'll give a brief glance. I don't like talking about myself but I'll make an exception.. lol

    Past:
    I grew up in Egypt.. parents divorced when I was two and then never saw my father again for the rest of my life.. don't even know how he looks like. My mother moved to her parents house and I grew up in my grandparents house with my mum and my grandparents! There was no role model father figure in my life since my grandfather passed away when I was four so I lived all my life without a specific male figure to look up to. My mother is a pharmacist and owns two pharmacies and was always at work, so my grandma brought me up pretty much.. she is a born again Christian and a very righteous lady, she passed away last year.

    Present:
    I moved to Australia, 3.5 years ago to go to uni to study pharmacy here. I am living by myself and coping with the daily life stresses alright and got couple of part-time jobs to satisfy the need.. (I met the HB10 in one of them)..

    I am 6ft1" natural tanned/olive coloured skin and got decent muscle size and about 4% body fat, I love the GYM... people refer to me at uni as the ripped Arab.. lol

    A girl knocked on my back before in a club, I turned around, and she told me you're hot where are you from? these was in my AFC days so I totally stuffed up the interaction and nothing happened.. lmao. Another drunk girl about HB7 in a bar, just looked me in the eyes and said "I want to fuck you" I was an AFC and virgin when this happened and my heart started pumping so hard and I completely stuffed up the whole interaction again.. looool it's so funny when I remember those days! I got told by a Portuguese girl before that I have a very nice eye brows/eyes complex.. and a Palestinian girl told me once "you have nice eye brows for a guy".. and this HB10 told me before "I love gazing in your Arab eyes", so I guess girls find it attractive!

    A friend told me today that my physical attractiveness to this HB10 is what will ever give me another chance with her (assuming she breaks up with her ex), he told me you might have stuffed up your chance now and couldn't be the better option for her but eventually he'll leave her and she'll drop you hints that she's single again.. etc. What I have to do now is just move on and game other girls.. if it happens, it happens.. if doesn't.. then fuck it, I'll go find myself a new HB10 without all the emotional baggage!
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    Future interaction with this HB10:

    Solution 1:
    Completely ignore her and delete her number, delete her of Facebook. Call my manager up and get him to put me on a different shift that's not with her and absolutely remove her out of my life and head. But then she'll think I have a shit personality and I got upset because she didn't kiss me and all what I wanted from her was just sex and if I can't get it then I am leaving.. She'll also buy into my acceptance that she should stay with her ex and that he's a better suitor for her than me and that I am gonna keep my distance from now on. And by following this solutions everything is gonna end with her..

    Solution 2:
    Treat her in exactly the same flirty playful way, lots of kino.. eye contact... etc. as if nothing has happened between us.. it shows that whether she has a bf or not I don't care and I'll treat her the same.. someone told me that acting as if you don't care in situation like this can be attractive to some girls. It'll also make it easier for her to let me know/drop hints when she's single again because she'll be a lot closer to me than in solution 1.
    But there are two problems with this solution: 1)is that she might think I don't get the hint and I am still after her although she told me that she has a bf. 2)being close after getting the "I have a bf line" can be a fast way to the friendzone, how do I prevent that?

    Also can someone comment on the text I sent and the reply I got from her?

    cheers and sorry for the long post, I pretty much emptied all what I can remember from seeing her yesterday!

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