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    Good stuff, I have been telling myself to improve my phone game for a little while now, THANK YOU!



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    Good shit man i ama need this info this week! Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rain
    ---If you are uncomfortable on the phone read the whole post.---
    Ok. I have issues with phone game. I don't like to be on the phone. I prefer to talk in person. But, I recognize that women love to talk on the phone. So, I talk on the phone.
    It must have been two months ago that Cedar forwarded me Tyler's RSD email on phone game. Since then, I have grown to understand that phone calls are not nearly as crucial as we make them.

    Women have half-hour conversations with each other in which both parties talk, but neither hears anything the other says. They talk about stupid, mundane, pointless shit for hours on end. This is because what is said is far less important to them, than what is communicated. They're telling each other, "you're important to me, so I'm spending time talking to you." That is all phone game is. It is a way of communicating to someone that they are significant enough in your life(or could be), that you are willing to take time away from your other activities to call them.
    Sure you can accomplish good things in a phone call. I don't dispute that good phone game is a great tool. What I am getting at is that a fucked up phone call is not a big deal. Unless you are a complete ass and offend or otherwise turn off the girl, you lose nothing from a phone call. They're going to forget it in an hour anyway.
    Unless, of course, they're interested in you. Then, they'll remember it for a week. And they'll remind you of your last call with them. But this is a good thing. And you can tell them so. "Wow. If you recall that much from our last conversation, you must be really into me."
    Tuesday I called an HB7.5 I haven't spoken to in 6 weeks. Got her VM. Left a message saying I had thought about her today and would call back on Thursday. Today is Thursday.
    I really don't care whether she calls back or not. I'm calling 4 other HBs between now and tomorrow. I'm too busy to see any of them for at least a week anyway. No dates will be confirmed or discussed, unless they bring it up. Just calling to chat. Familiarity IS Comfort. Next call I can ask them out, if need be, because chatting with them has been casual and comfortable.
    *****Stop setting yourself up for failure. Don't go into a phone call with expectations of outcome. Don't think, 'I have to ask her out before I hang up." You're going to miss out on some great conversation because you're preoccupied with setting up a date. Make her earn your date proposition. In fact, assuming you set up a timebridge already, don't even mention it until either she does, or she's being really fun and interactive. You are the prize.
    Imagine for a second, how you would feel if a girl said, "let's get together for lunch soon." Then a few days later, she calls you and you talk for an hour. You hang up the phone and she never even mentioned the lunch date. You would wonder why, wouldn't you? You'd be thinking, 'did I do ror say something to make her change her mind?' But the phone call went so well. You had fun talking with her. So why didn't she pursue the date?
    This is exactly what you want an HB to be thinking. She may have had no interest in going out with you when she answered the phone. But, when you were so much fun to talk to, and yet didn't ask her out, she got curious. Now you've piqued her interest.
    !!!!!!!!!I highly recommend reading TD's phone game email. You can find it here. Also, check out Juggler's phone stuff here. Read them with an open mind. Forget what you think you know about phone game. Replace it with this stuff and you'll lose the anxiety.
    My phone game is probably the best part of my game... If i can get a girl to pick up her phone, i can normally do what I want.
    I disagree with a lot of Rain's post. Phone calls are a crucial part of the game.
    I disagree with the notion that a fucked up phone call doesn't matter because girls have fucked up phone calls all the time. Girls are talking to their established friends... people that they know and like and have rapport with, so they are allowed to talk shit and add very little value. When you first talk to a girl, she is deciding in her mind whether or not you are good to talk with in the future. If the first impression you give to her is one that you are shit to talk with on the phone, the chances of her agreeing to meet with you on a date are dramatically reduced - everything is worse if you can't talk with her on the phone.
    Sure.. they will forget a bad call in a hour, but they will be dramatically reminded of it the next time her phone rings, she looks down and sees your name flash up. Then she has to make a choice... should i pick up or not? Now... If every time she has spoken to you so far, you have made a shit, can't be bothered phone call, she is much more likely to let you go through to voicemail. If you were funny, interesting, different, exciting... she is 10 times more likely to answer the call and let you keep on gaming her.
    When i come off the phone, i know with 99% accuracy whether this girl will be receptive to future calls and therefore dates... To say that poor phone calls don't matter is incorrect.
    It's great for the mindset of the APUA to think.... I don't give a fuck if this phone call goes well or not, I have another 4 HBs to call anyway... If you can internalize that, you will have a much better phone conversation, but the fact is... if the phone call is bad, you are damaging your chances of getting the result you want.
    Calling a girl to chat is great... don't ask her out on a date... that is sound advice. Always have some sort of noise in the background. I am always doing something when i am on the phone (driving, walking, cooking), and this means that there is constantly some fresh stuff to talk about. I like to natural style, but if you are a MM follower, have a few funny routines written down and dip into them when the convo lulls.
    My 2 cents... Get good at the phone and it will open a shit load of door (or holes) for you.
    Peace and love,
    Baby
    Last edited by Baby Girl; 07-05-2006 at 04:06 AM.

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    I have NEVER had problems with asians and I have run into a roadblock so I am asking for help. This girl is either playing hard to get or genuinely disinterested, which I can't believe as during class she is giving all the right signals, kino [i initiated the first time], heavy EC, hanging on my every word, and telling me i'm funny, fun, have a great smile, and look like this half korean/half caucasian model Daniel Henney. WOW that made my head big but since I take care of my looks and my body...I've gotten Tom Cruise b/c of the nature of my smile but never D. Henney.
    Anyway, Once I suggested a study session and she got very excited, asking WHERE???
    -coffee shop
    Which coffee shop??
    Since she was excited I asked her if she would like to come. "no..it's ok, it's easier to study in my room"
    Wow ok,
    Next time After class she was going to the ATM with me and 3/4 of the way there she says, WAIT WAIT I can't go anymore. How do I get out of here?[student union].
    We talk during class, everythings really fun and interesting but I can't seem to get her to hang out. I have never had this problem before but I am thinking I should call, keep things light, fluff some every few days (a la Juggler) and then later
    Anybody else have experience with winning someone over with great persistence even after total cold-shoulder to any suggestions of hang-outs? Honestly they are usually throwing themselves over me so I don't even have to work that much game.
    Thanks
    EEZe

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    The advice given by Tyler and Juggler couldn't be more diametrically opposed than David D's. David's mantra is scarcity, "give her the gift of missing you." He recommends ending the conversation on your terms, sounding busy. How can I make sense of this?

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