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Yes, on 'touching' he always says let the woman touch you first, and don't touch reciprocate, thus making her want more. This seems like a rudimentary form of Kino escalation, as the escalation comes from the taking away, and he is recommending taking away. But I agree, because it's totally passive, his method takes an eternity, instead of 7 to 10 hours.
Yeah he does not recommend instant kino escalation but if you observe the entire book is from a long term perspective. In the very start he says "our job is to get that one girl for you".......promoting one-itis in a vague way.
I guess The System is for those seekiing love and lasting relations or PUAs who had enough flings and now want to settle down in peace.
Its not exactly a book that teaches you to bed as many as possible. Also in many areas he has gone a little conservative and old school.
You dont really wait 5-9 days to call back a girl who you want to bed in 7 hours do you.
So within the framework of the context in which the Sysem is written it is really good.
Also Mystery Method does not tell you anything about weeding out wrong females as partners, maintaining healthy relations and the likes
So depending on what is your requirement in life you can apply these two distinctly different principles.
It's like FisherPrise My First Steps to being a PUA
This product was the first thing I ever bought and that was back in 2001 . It was to me the first step in admitting that I had a problem( AFC ). I then Quickly got good at getting OK GFs but not real HB, nothing better then a 7.5. So I then started to want more powerful techs and wanted better results. That led me to finding Fastseduction and then every thing. Game was rised and had a lot of fun.
Getting back to this product If your allready here then Doc Love's stuff is a waste of you money and time. You are at a level above that but if this stuff (MM) is to much for you then you will get some worth from this product.
It's like FisherPrise My First Steps to being a PUA
I've read this, and Jay Zilla makes a good point in terms of PU. However, you could easily also see that the reverse is true about understanding women... the Mystery Method is baby-stuff compared to what "The System" teaches about understanding how women's minds work.
Doc Love's stuff is way way above understanding women, than anything you will learn from the MM, although the two aren't mutually exclusive.
I bought the 'System' in 2001 as well when I was first getting into this stuff and I was VERY disappointed when I received it. It was a poorly organized $100 little red book. There is no 'system' to it at all. It's basically a dictionary of 'A' is something...I forgot, then 'B' then 'C' is confidence.
I threw it away.
I got got Doc Love: Women don't lie, Men don't listen book. He mostly focus on long term stuff. The thought process of picking girls to be in your life, that portion, I totally agree with because I am a picky bastard when it comes to who can be part of my reality.
Since I have found the Community, I noticed a difference between Doc Love and the PUA. His suggestion is that when you get a girls number, you call her within the next 3 days and if you get her answer machine, don't leave a message. You didn't call her to talk to her voice mail. He also doesn't want you to get her cell number or email address but her HOME phone. The thought behind this is that, when you do call and talk to her, you want her in a quiet place without noise and distraction, this way she will give you the attention you require instead of having to fight for it.
Now the rafc, pua, and natural run phone games. They would leave cocky funny messages or short stories on the voice mail. I tend to agree with Doc Love on this aspect. I didn't call to make love or ask her voicemail out. I do like the SMS and email game. With SMS, its pretty cool to see the response when you text her, telling her you were thinking about her and add "... just a bit of thinking ..." Learn the email game from DD, he got that game down. I used to ask a girl 2 or 3 questions in an email thread and they would only response to one. So when I learn DD's email game, I started his stuff and got a crap load of info just from two sentences in an email.
Then there's the Doc Love day2 stuff. If you don't land a kiss or anything like that after a day2, you flush her number down the toilet, do this without hesitation. The only problem is that he doesn't talk about kinoing or kino escalation. So if a chump gets a girl's number and doesn't kino on a day2, the kiss at the end of the night or whenever will feel awkward.
All in all, I agree with Doc Love's quality in a woman but then again, that's his opinion and mine, your type of female quality will be different. He only suggested these 3 female qualities for the long run: Integrity (honesty, loyalty, and trust), Giving, and flexibility.
Btw, in his book: women don't lie - men don't listen .. it said " Doc Love. The first man in 6000 years to understand woman." I bet all the mPUA can out game this dude in the field but Doc Love can whip their asses in the long run .
I'm glad I managed to find The Dating Dictonary for free. $99 for "The System". He must be somking some good stuff. I do like his advice, but since I have the dictonary, I just read that and his articles on askemen.com
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Doc Love I Hate You.
DOC LOVE....hahahaha, what a hoax!
I discovered Doc Love as a young AFC back in '02. Askmen.com features his weekly columns in their dating & love section. Anyway, Read the columns for a while, and yes I agree it is the fisher price of pickup.
He's very pessimistic, warning you of all other love doctors, gurus, experts etc....He's very set in his ways...Wants you to study his system only, read it every night one hour before bedtime...It's format is ridiculous, nothing like the VAH (which is almost like a textbook for college in comparison.) Being a weak minded AFC, I listened to Doc Love, and tried to internalize the system (and not "cherry pick" like he warns against)
Doc's techniques are old, underdeveloped half truths meant for dating back in the 1950's when people had home phones. I disagree with his home phone number obsession. Here's a little dialogue from The system:
"Tom sees Caprice at a wedding, and knows he wants to spend the rest of his life with her. He walks up to her and says 'Hi, nice wedding.'
Caprice: 'Yes it is'
Tom: 'What's your name?'
Silence....Tom says, "nice to meet you, Caprice"
Silence....Caprice has zero interest level or no class.
Tom knows he has to move on."
OK, now look at that dialogue. Is that not extremely AFC?? This is just the tip of the iceberg on what Doc teaches...The F-cked up part it that I listened to him for entirely too long.. I kept waiting 5 to 9 days to call girls, like doc says....They would totally forget who I was or what I looked like..(I believe it was Craig who said we are all getting cultural ADD) I got tired of relying on "The reality factor, The bottom line factor, Female interest level, challenge," taking girls on unproductive dinner dates an other miscellaneous Doc love-isms. I also got tired of not getting laid.
I started doubting the system's powers, then stumbled across David D., Swinggcat, Style and Mystery in that order..When I first watched David D.'s advanced series I was like "holy shit, he lets other people give their perspective too!, there are different styles here, and it's very optimistic!" ...I have been in rebab for months now.
Last edited by smoothWAKE; 05-24-2006 at 08:41 PM.
Pretty funny review smoothwake.
In his defence, Doc Love has been going longer than than most of the current teachings. His original angle is, not how to pick up but why a woman will stay with a one man and not another, and from that poerspective it holds true. The reality factor is look at what is happening rather than what you're emotions are misleading you to see, much the same as the bottom line factor, look at her actions not what she is saying. Female interest level is for the relationship to survive it matters what she is feeling and not you. Challenge is essentially cocky and funny of a sorts.
It's all relavant, though he does just repeat the core principles. It is a good foundation to lead on to David DeAngelo, but once you've read DeAngelo it becomes bunk.
Doc Love's 'pickup' technique is a laughable numbers game, ask 30 women 10 will give you there number 7 will remember who you are and 3 will meet up with you, though 2 will be nuts. A time consuming lucky dip. As far as understanding relationships and why they will be long term, it will pull the wool off your eyes.
I have to give Doc Love credit. After all, it was him who made me discover what a pathetic AFC i had been all my life and I started to correct the mistakes I had made in the past. I say that if you are going to be doing a long term relationship or marriage, doc love is the way to go. I remember reading The Game and hearing about Sweater trying to commit suicide because his marriage wasnt working and his wife had no interest in him and thinking that The System probably could have helped him out of the trouble he was in. In any case, I just think that guys who are out to be pickup artists do not need the book, but it is useful for the guys in a relationship for the long haul.