Hey I spoke to Pharaoh and I think we're gonna be able to work all this out and deliver the goods for him. You didn't think I'd leave him hanging did ya?

Things rarely go wrong, but if they do, of course anyone can easily get a refund.

I spoke to everyone involved, and I think the coaches tried their best and Pharoah tried his best too. So we'll work it out and maybe Pharoah will keep you posted, but thats totally his call. Maybe this can become something we can all learn from.

After talking with BradP , I now feel totally vindicated. He offered to give me a 100% refund, or a 1-on-1 with him. I felt like he understood everything I was talking about, and it wasn't some pickup voodoo or anything, he was frank and honest and upfront, and if his concern was only an act, I wish more business people acted like that. He said sometimes its hard to meet all the peoples needs in field, and granted, thats true. Although I feel dissatisfied with the other instructors, the instructors are not him, and I'm willing to give him a try, especially since I've enjoyed so many of his products. His customer service as a businessman was exemplary. I felt he totally understood all of my chief concerns and he would do his best to correct them. He ALSO said that If I didn't enjoy the 1on1 with him he would still give me a refund. It doesn't get any better than that!

If this thread is still open after I get back from LA, I will let you all know how the 1on1 was. And whether its open or not I will post a review.

Brad P . and 30/30 Club?

anyone with new recommendations? I was thinking of join the 30/30 club but no one i know cancel his account or now i'm kinda rethinking it. I know I just need the right timing and 30/30 will be a big help. go for it? or any other products or idea? let me know, thanks.


i know my game is getting better day by day. I just want to speed things up yet still understand its all about timing and just practicing. Being in the Dallas, TX...the whole pick up scene is not too big. Havent had luck with any helpful people so far.

i would argue that taking his bootcamp (or LS bootcamp) is a better investment than just joining a membership site like 30/30.

What the fuck?... just do what you do... since you have success then continue to built it up. There is no shortcu. And AXXO, i can tell you come here because you are fucking lousy and all you do is to admire gurus. "oh this guy is good" no "oh this is better" "oh what is this guru about lets download this stuff". Where are we in the celeb pickup fan community? You look like a person who are in the wrong place. I fuck care whos better than who. I'm the best so far i can tell.

Brad P 's Fashion Bible

Anyone got this? I'm curious, but I also know a decent amount about fashion and the basic PUA stuff that appears to be in there, so I'm skeptical about buying it.

Please read through the brad p cumulative thread

Excellent list! I've learned more from this forum in about 2 days than I have at any other forum community.

30/30 Club review

Hi Guys

I am new to the seduction community, as far as field experience (I read some popular seduction materials but haven’t done much with that). I joined Brad P .'s 30/30 club recently, and a few days ago I completed Month1 and started Month2. Although I have only experienced a small fraction of what 30/30 offers, I feel comfortable to write a review now, because before joining 30/30 I was member of a major online seduction coaching program (I will call it "Program X"), so I have a benchmark for comparison. The difference between the two methods is very significant, and it takes only a short while to experience that. 30/30 fits my needs much better than Program X.

In the beginning of 2009 I joined Program X. My goal was improving all aspects of my game with girls. Unfortunately, after being there several months, I recently left it because Program X did not help me improve my game.
Not that Program X is entirely bad- its creators attempt to help members to improve most aspects of their personality and behavior. I definitely improved in terms of approach anxiety and social anxiety, due to their challenging missions.
But for me, Program X did not deliver the goods. It enables members to do only one mission at a time, without knowing what the next mission would be. After having been there for 7 months and having done 90+ missions, I haven’t yet made it to the stage when members get tools and learn how to effectively open girls and create attraction. At some point I got really fed up with Program X's personal improvement missions – I just wanted tools that are focused on approaching and attracting girls. So I stopped doing their missions and started searching the web for e-books about openers. This is how I found Brad P .'s "Instant Attraction" e-book. I bought it, loved it and immediately signed up for 30/30 club. I also left Program X.

So far I am really happy with 30/30 club, for these reasons:
1) Each member commits to approaching at least 30 new women every month. So far, I approached almost 70 women. My interactions with them (approaches, D2's, K-closes, phone and text game ) taught me much more about the game than all the e-books that I read.
2) Brad P . believes in a 2:1 ratio – spending 2 hours in the field for every hour of studies. I love this idea. It forces us to play the game (day game , night game, phone/texting ) even when it is not our preferred choice.
3) 30/30 feels very personal. There aren’t many members, and Brad P . is very involved in the forum [this, too, is different from program X, that seemed to me like a big business whose owner is not really involved]. On top, the 30/30 coaches are engaged and helpful. They helped me change the way I thought about my identity and explore how I could make it more attractive during Month1.
4) No dependency on wings. I have no wings, and I know that Brad P . used to go out alone when he developed his materials.
5) Avoiding information overload. Every month 30/30 members receive e-books/ CDs with the relevant theory for that month, which should suffice. 30/30 club claims that reading too much seduction materials can be counterproductive. I decided to follow their advice and only read their materials. I currently don't touch or listen to the e-books and CDs that I had bought in the past, I ignore all the newsletters that I get and don't spend time on forums.
6) Timing of information. Brad P . thinks that there is no point in learning advanced stuff such as threesomes game, when one does his first steps in seduction . Therefore, 30/30 members can only read materials that are relevant to their stage. I think that this concept makes lots of sense and helps decrease the pressure of reading a lot of data and thinking about too many moves and techniques in the same time.

The bottom line: everything seems to be thoroughly planned, with lots of attention to details. This is a unique program - I know from my very own experience how different it is from the well known program that I described above as Program X.
On top, I really enjoy the personal attention that Brad P . and the 30/30 coaches give to the members.

Zen

Brad P Pickup Mansion

9 months ago, I moved into Brad P 's Pickup Mansion in Los Angeles. In that time, I've made some great advances in my game and done some things that a year ago would have been impossible for me:

• I went to a party at the Playboy Mansion, made out with several women, and then fingered one in the zoo and brought her home.
• I had sex with a fetish model on the leather chair in the piercing studio where she worked. Mid coitus, she remembered that we were being filmed by the security cameras… so I fucked her harder.
• I fucked a girl in the back seat of a friends car, while he was driving
• For the first time in my life, I had sex with 4 women in one week (and fingered a 5th.)
• And more…

A little over a year ago, a friend of mine showed me a book called the Adventures of Brad P (I think now called Diary of a Pickup Artist.) Once I started reading it, I couldn't put it down! There was a bit of skepticism ("Is this for real?!?! How can he fuck so many girls so quickly?!") My game pretty much sucked at the time (my first cold approach happened just a few months earlier.) I eventually signed up for a weekend workshop with Brad P and was convinced that the stories were true and learned that Brad P was an excellent teacher. At that same workshop , as we were discussing my future goals, Brad mentioned his ideas for the Pickup Mansion. The idea was that a few guys would live in Hollywood for a year, and focus on improving their game under the tutelage of Brad P and his coaches, Jake P, Gabriel P, Glenn P, Bobby, Hyper, and Brian.

I immediately knew it was the right thing for me because I wanted to get really good as fast as possible. A year long structured program with the #1 Pickup Artist in the world sounded like it fit the bill, and I knew that if I could make it happen that I had to do it. It was a challenge to get here... First off, I had a job. In another city! But if you want something bad enough… so I plotted, and eventually spoke with my management team and made a proposal that I would work remotely for a year. When it became evident that I would probably just quit if the answer was no, they agreed (I still can't believe it!)

So I sold most of what I owned, packed the rest into my car, and then drove for 4 days to Los Angeles.
It was me and three other guys in the house, which has a pretty awesome location and is all pimped out. Every girl that has come back to the house has said something to the effect of, "Is this for real?" or "Am I dreaming?" or just simply, "Wow!" There is a fire pit, an amazing video/sound system, and a living room modeled after the lobby of a famous hotel. It is definitely impressive.

We started out that first weekend with a normal Brad P workshop , going out Friday and Saturday night with coaches and then spending Sunday analyzing the weekend. We also did some team building and trust building exercises to help us grow as house mates and friends. Over the course of the past 9 months, we have done these workshops every month, with regular check ups from Brad and other coaches. The training is tailored to each person, so we get individual attention and 1-on-1 time to work through any questions or sticking points we have.

One of the first nights in LA, Brad had a couple local promoters drive us around and show us where the best local clubs and bars were, and highlight which places were the best on any given night. We learned which clubs had the hardest door discretion, which ones were free and which ones had cover charges, and which type of people preferred each venue. Some clubs were great for goth girls, some for hot OC girls, and some for UCLA sports girls. Coming fresh to LA, it was awesome to be able to get my finger on the pulse of the city in so little time. Over the months, the promoters have helped us get into the newest hot venues and brought us to some great parties

Unlike a normal public workshop , month after month we are with the same guys, so we get to learn from not only the coaches, but the breakthroughs the other Pickup Mansion guys are making. And since the group of us are all focused on getting good with women, there is always somebody to go out with or to work through tactics or strategy. We've all become pretty good at winging . Also unlike normal public workshops , we are building on the previous month each time we get together with the coaches. Because we are all working together for a year, we are able to focus on bigger issues and concepts, such as night life social hierarchies, group control theory, calibration, reading girls buying temperature, deep seated inner game issues, working through logistics, relationship management , fashion, body language and voice tone, repertoire, and more. I've seen Brad work on phone game issues real time with one of the other mansion guys, and he gave me feedback when I pulled a girl back to a hotel room that he was sleeping in (perhaps a world's first coached escalation! Haha!)

Today, I am regularly telling friends and coworkers "I love my life!" I've made such incredible advances in my game, such that things I saw Brad P do a year ago are now fairly normal. I've pickup up girls from grocery stores, shopping malls, airports, airplanes, bars, and dance clubs. I used to keep track of how many girls I made out with in clubs, but I have lost count. I've made some of the best friends I've ever had. I've had more sex with hotter girls than at any other time in my life. My balls have grown orders of magnitude, my leadership skills have improved, my dominance has improved, and my presence and confidence with women is through the roof.

This has been the best training program I've ever experienced, and has had an amazing impact on my life. The continual coaching and constant feedback has had a tremendous impact on my game and my life. I can't recommend this program highly enough