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    I haven't had the time yet to go through the entire DVD set (I'll write an expanded review when I'm done), but my first reaction is: "I can't believe they pulled the wool over our eyes again...this is the most overhyped, overpriced product since the Annihilation Method."

    It's pretty obvious that:
    1. This DVD set was created to piggyback off of the success of the TV show. Business model: A bunch of new sucker AFCs will watch the show, check out the website, and based on the hype we are creating, they will think they will be laying 50 chicks a year if they buy this product.

    2. You can find everything in this product online for a VERY SMALL FRACTION of the price this product costs (and you can find most of it for free!). Out of the two parts of the DVDs that live footage is actually helpful for (In-field and Bodylanguage) only one of them is useful. The in-field portion is awful (tired, robotic routines, tainted sets, artificial social proof because of the cameras, no closes except for an older lady). It is a horrible product for its price.

    3. Shady marketing is prevalent. If you have see any of the emails or marketing reports from Mike Long about this product you'll know what I'm talking about. They are all hype. Why do you need 30 DVDs when you aren't even using a fraction of the space on the DVD??? The answer: to make the product appear to be something that it is not.

    Lastly, am I the only person that upon watching this DVD felt like Mystery and his friends just sat around thinking, "So how are we going to make more money off this TV show? I got an idea! We'll just sit around bullshitting about the game, hire some models (whose main purpose seems to be mostly for social proof and for Mystery/Matador to game on camera, then subsequently fuck), and then sell it for 2,000 bucks a pop! Hell, we can even film it while we are high or late at night after we go sarging!" That's seriously what it feels like. The editing is ATROCIOUS (assuming there was any at all). For example, the camera focuses on Mystery just standing there while Lovedrop is of the screen talking and explaining bodylanguage movements. Example 2, Matador says things along the line of, "Ok, let's start this take over", but it is not edited out. It's very unprofessional. It is obvious and also alluded to that they are high during the filming of some of the DVDs. On top of that, some of the DVDs were filmed very early in the morning after what I can only assume was a full night out at the clubs.

    I give the guys props because this is an genius way to make a bunch of quick money. However, reviewing the DVDs on their merits leaves a lot to be desired.
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    I've watched the amogging bit and some of the kino parts at my buddies place. I probably won't finish it since it doesn't fit with me but one thing I caught onto was that Mystery was doing NLP on us.

    He says something to the effect of "hey, you can watch this but you really need someone to teach you." Self Points.

    Interesting. He does things like this throughout.
       

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    Well, a rapid review
    1 - All DVDs (Video brain transplant, Social cybernetics and Bonus) = IT's the same old stuff you can read in the book, in the forums, in the old DVD series. It's ridiculous the marketing strategy of expose some nude women wearing a simply tshirts, when this gurus are talking
    2 - DVD Holy Grail (yeah, this term is perfect ). You can see Mystery and Matador TALKING (but, yeah, you name this SARGING ) with some NO beautiful girls. BLa BLA BLA, same stupid routines, and no pickup, no sexual feeling, nothing, only bla bla bla bla and NO CLOSE. There were cameras NO hidden, and everybody see that, and in some case girls asks about that. It's so obvious that nothing is spontaneus (probably all the sets knows about what Mystery is doing). The only pickup is by Mystery: an ugly mature. And it's not a great pickup, because after talking to the camera, Mystery turn on (casually ) this mature and CASUALLY she opens him, and when Mystery asks about the male with her she says she don't know him ahahahahahahah (is she an old friend actress of Mystery?). Well, if this video show this GURUS of pickup........
    I say only this: 2500 bucks!! I repeat, 2500 bucks, and you sell this kind of product? You have no respect for your clients, for people who believe in you. For me Mystery is only a clown, no more respect for him.
       

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAKU39 View Post
    Well, a rapid review
    1 - All DVDs (Video brain transplant, Social cybernetics and Bonus) = IT's the same old stuff you can read in the book, in the forums, in the old DVD series. It's ridiculous the marketing strategy of expose some nude women wearing a simply tshirts, when this gurus are talking
    2 - DVD Holy Grail (yeah, this term is perfect ). You can see Mystery and Matador TALKING (but, yeah, you name this SARGING ) with some NO beautiful girls. BLa BLA BLA, same stupid routines, and no pickup, no sexual feeling, nothing, only bla bla bla bla and NO CLOSE. There were cameras NO hidden, and everybody see that, and in some case girls asks about that. It's so obvious that nothing is spontaneus (probably all the sets knows about what Mystery is doing). The only pickup is by Mystery: an ugly mature. And it's not a great pickup, because after talking to the camera, Mystery turn on (casually ) this mature and CASUALLY she opens him, and when Mystery asks about the male with her she says she don't know him ahahahahahahah (is she an old friend actress of Mystery?). Well, if this video show this GURUS of pickup........
    I say only this: 2500 bucks!! I repeat, 2500 bucks, and you sell this kind of product? You have no respect for your clients, for people who believe in you. For me Mystery is only a clown, no more respect for him.
    I'm watching the boot camp part with matador, and its pretty horrible. He looks coked out and it doesn't look that professional done. If i spent 5 grand on that boot camp , i would be pretty pissed off. Not to mention it's the same stuff( routines, story's ) from Mystery's older DvD. Matador even copy Mystery's stripper saver routine also. You think this guy would have some other DHV story off the top of his head instead of some fake story he got from mystery
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    Good but still Amateur

    The in field footage is mostly Mystery getting opened by girls and isolating them at various spots. There are some good things to learn about comfort but very little on opening and building attraction.

    The brain dump seminars are amateur videos shot by Cosmo and others in an apartment with little new knowledge

    We need to see some serious in field footage that covers everything from top to bottom. This doesnt do the trick

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    The quality of the production is just atrocious considering the money people spent buying it.

    The worst atrocity is that most of the infield footage is tainted, where the women being picked up know there are cameras following Mystery. The rest of the footage is a summation of club game up to this point, incorporating the best of PU101s kino tips (don't push away/fling away if she's not interested, just drift off and lose interest), RSD (adopt the attitudes, alternate between using and not using pua routines.
       

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    Mystery's Magnum Opus Holy Grail of Pickup

    Been watching the keenly anticipated magnum opus! Oh dear! These are guys who are supposed to have been doing this for years, be the best of the best, and have been working on this for a long time. Why would they put this out, it's absolute dross!?

    This, unfortunately, confirms my worst fears about these guys; that they are so consumed by all their routines and microcalibrating and ultimately themselves that all they can think about is one upmanship and, apparently 'ping pong' (this has to be the most ridiculous element of dialogue I have ever had the misfortune to set ears on, you will know when you get to it)!

    Anyway, after watching the holy grail in field footage segment and being extremely deflated with both the quality of women and their social robot like behaviour - they simply must get bored of using the same, same, same chat night after night after night.
       

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    I've only seen 2 DVDs so far, one of which was this AMOG'ing one.

    I was not impressed at all. They have no structure to what they are doing. They basically are just sitting there and freestyle bullshitting. Matador is super try-hard IMO. He reminds me of the over confident guys that you just roll your eyes to and go "Sure buddy... keep telling yourself that...". He only destroys Mystery because Mystery is obviously high out of his mind. Its obvious they are all high and it'd be nice to see them take this more serious. For like 10 minutes Mystery just sits there and curls up into a ball giggling while Matador is raggin on him. I thought it wasn't even funny when he said "Come on Mystery, your fans need you... be serious" bla bla bla or something like that. I was like "yeah, no really, what are you doing? is this what your charging guys $2k for?"

    I did not learn one thing from this DVD.

    I'll watch more DVDs and see whats up... My prediction is more of the same based on other people's replies. But I'll be optimistic!
       

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    I was confused as to the pricing.

    Now they don't sell it anymore, but I remember it saying somewhere that you make a $847 deposit .... and if you want to keep it, they'll bill you one more time @ $847

    Then somewhere else on the site, it said the product was $2497

    If the product was as bad as everybody says it is, I hope you guys returned the product. I don't like returning things I buy, but I will if I don't feel it was as advertised ..... but as a general rule of sales, it's easy to convince shy people out of returning something.

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    The infield part was poor mostly. There was a 2 set which Matador opened and then later MYstery joined. Matador just came off as a social robot. He kept on repeating 'get off me now', 'don't get any thoughts' to the point where he's just like an answering machine. His body movements were rigid and he didn't seem to know what to say when mystery enetered the set. Overall, the girls weren't having a lot of fun and neiother were Mystery and matador.

    Another thing is the way Mystery gains social proof by talking about how cool his friends are and repeatedly offereing the girls to meet his friends came off as too eager and show off. The girls werent interested in his social life really, maybe more interested in getting on camera whatever.
       

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