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    PoF Favorites List Analysis Part 1 - What relationship you are looking for

    Intro

    As you may know, on Plenty of Fish you can add girls to your favourites list. Girls can also add you to their favourites list. On a person's profile page, you can see how many people have 'favourited' them. You can use this figure as a proxy for how well that person is generating attraction.

    Other than 1000s of controlled experiments, I believe that looking at favourites lists is probably the best way to see what actually works. Unlike survey data, looking at favourites lists gives an actual indication of how girls are behaving... not just how they say they are behaving.

    Luckily for you lot, I have just done an analysis of many hundreds of male profiles to uncover some of the drivers of online success. I believe everyone on this board should pay attention to the findings as they are pretty dramatic.

    I have noticed that most profiles that get posted on this board by aPUAs do not seem to get any people adding them to the favourites list. Similarly, most PUA profiles I come across randomly on PoF have hardly any people favouriting them. Even PUA profiles that I consider good, including my own and Cajun's, do not come close to getting the number of favourites that some normal guys have.

    I believe that we all have a lot to learn.




    Analysis Part 1 - What Relationship are you looking for?


    On PoF you can say that you are looking for different kinds of relationships. The four most common are...
    - Long Term
    - Dating
    - Hang Out
    - Friends

    Previous survey data that I've read suggests that the best option to choose would be 'long term'. My analysis does not support this, instead suggesting that 'dating' is the best option to choose.

    I first looked at 400 guys around the New York area. 100 in each relationship category. All users in my analysis were listed as having athletic build, were between 25 and 30, between 5'6 and 5'8, caucasian with no children. I chose these mainly because they match my characteristics - so the results are very relevant to me! Chosing users with these characteristics also control for factors that I suspected could skew the results.



    Results

    (If you don't know what I mean by Q1, Q3 and the Median, consult wikipedia here... [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartile]Quartile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame])

    Long Term
    Q1 1
    Median 2.5
    Q3 6
    Q4 33
    Mean 5.08
    Percentage of people with zero favourites... 20%

    Dating
    Q1 1
    Median 3
    Q3 7.5
    Q4 58
    Mean 6.72
    Percentage of people with zero favourites... 21%

    Hang Out
    Q1 0
    Median 1
    Q3 3
    Q4 28
    Mean 2.71
    Percentage of people with zero favourites... 33%

    Friends
    Q1 0
    Median 1
    Q3 4
    Q4 31
    Mean 2.83
    Percentage of people with zero favourites... 36%


    As you will see, people who put 'dating' get the most favourites, followed by those who put 'long term'. People who put 'friends' do substantially worse... but those who put 'hang out' do worst of all.

    I had a slight inclination that the results may be particular to users who put 'athletic' in their body type. Maybe girls were more open to something more casual with an athletic guy, but would revert to saying they prefered 'long term' with guys who were merely average. So I replicated the entire results with 400 average guys (balancing for the same characteristics as before), but the results were all in the same direction. Dating best, long term second, friends third, hang out last.

    I also thought that maybe this would be an American phenomenon, so I replicated the results with another 400 guys in the UK London. Again, the results were the same.

    It is important to not that I have not demonstrated causality here, merely an association. It is possible that the users who chose 'dating' also put different stuff in their profiles to other guys and choose to communicate with women in different ways. It should be possible to test this for sure by using two near identical profiles. I may do this in the future, but that kind of experiment takes much longer.

    In the meantime, there is at least a suggestion that 'dating' is the best thing to choose and that 'hang out' or 'friends' should be avoided.




    Part 2 will look at body type



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    Nice analysis.

    An easy way to be added as a favorite, I've found, is to just randomly favorite 50 or so girls. Out of the 50, at least a quarter to a half of them will favorite you back. Choose girls you don't want to message though. Out of town chicks work great for this. Many will favorite you back just to be nice.

    I've kind of gone back and forth on whether or not being on a bunch of favorites is even a good thing, so I don't even worry about it any more. It hasn't seemed to have any discernible effect on my response rate. I'm usually on about 3 - 12 peoples favorites list now, depending on how active I've been on POF.

    I'm not that sure that the number of favorites can be used as a proxy for attraction per se, (ex: Cajun - not many favorites - tons of girls attracted) but I would be willing to bet that it was valid enough to make your statistical analysis fairly accurate. It backs up my experience of "dating" being the best category to choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theDA View Post
    Nice analysis.

    An easy way to be added as a favorite, I've found, is to just randomly favorite 50 or so girls. Out of the 50, at least a quarter to a half of them will favorite you back. Choose girls you don't want to message though. Out of town chicks work great for this. Many will favorite you back just to be nice.
    I hadn't actually thought of that. I never usually favourite girls because I don't want to display too much interest early on; however, I might try your way of doing things out.

    Hopefully, the number of people benefiting from this technique (consciously or not) is a) small; and b) relatively evenly spread over the different groups I'm using.

    I've kind of gone back and forth on whether or not being on a bunch of favorites is even a good thing, so I don't even worry about it any more. It hasn't seemed to have any discernible effect on my response rate. I'm usually on about 3 - 12 peoples favorites list now, depending on how active I've been on POF.
    This is good to know. I was thinking that maybe there was a run away affect. I.e. if you get 50 favourites, then other girls might start flocking... but what you're saying would rule that out.

    I'm not that sure that the number of favorites can be used as a proxy for attraction per se, (ex: Cajun - not many favorites - tons of girls attracted) but I would be willing to bet that it was valid enough to make your statistical analysis fairly accurate. It backs up my experience of "dating" being the best category to choose.
    It's imperfect, but I think it's good enough. The things it's showing certainly (at the moment) do fit with my own experience and experimental data. For example... my own experimental data suggests having an athletic body is a huge help - something that is also reflected in the favourites data that I'll post up here soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungojerry View Post

    This is good to know. I was thinking that maybe there was a run away affect. I.e. if you get 50 favourites, then other girls might start flocking... but what you're saying would rule that out.

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    Yeah, not sure about this as the most I've ever had is probably in the 25-35 range. Might be worth testing out to find out if there is a critical mass type number range. Possible reasons why there isn't would be because it is not search able - ie. you can't sort by "most favorites" or choose "10-20 favorites" like you can for "newest" or girls 5' 4" to 5' 8". Also, # of favorites does not show up in the thumbnails.
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