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    Online Singing Lessons?

    Does anyone know of any good online singing lessons?
    I can't get to my singing lesson anymore due to being banned from driving (that's another story).
    I'm not looking to be a rockstar, I just want a good voice with a nice tone to accompany my guitar playing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabre_Tooth View Post
    I can't get to my singing lesson anymore due to being banned from driving (that's another story).
    Tell us the damn story!

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    Jeez! Alright, lucky this is in off-topic...
    So I'm at a mate's house over Xmas, getting INSANELY drunk on homemade super strength cocktails and random shots.
    Next morning I wake up on his sofa, FREEZING my ass off. Some crazy badass invisible dude is twatting my head with a very large sledgehammer.
    Without thinking about it, I jump in my car - thoughts of my bed, in my nice warm house are more attractive than anything right now. Jessica Alba could walk in naked, begging for some Sabre love - it still wouldn't make a difference.
    So I have no idea where the fuck I am. I randomly drive the wrong way down a one way street, when ....
    'NEE NAW NEE NAW'
    Blue flashing lights behind me.
    'Oh shit.' I realise that I may still be over the limit. Not having had a wash of any kind, or even brushing my teeth won't help my case. I make dirty tramps look well groomed.
    I take a deep breath and put the window down. 'Morning officer', followed by fake smile. I'm the most innocent, super nice person ever - I help old ladies across the road and everything. Surely you've stopped the wrong guy?
    I also realise I've been stopped by 2 police cars, a motorcycle and a police riot van. Talk about UK's most wanted!! They obviously had NOTHING better to do at this time of day.
    So officer kindly informs me I was driving the wrong way down the road, then sniffs, and looks quizzical.
    'Have you been drinking, sir?'
    'Not since last night'
    'Blow deeply into this until you hear a beep' (or whatever it was)
    He reads me my rights, then arrests me and shoves me in the back of the van. I then have to give another sample at the station and spend around 6 hours in a fucking freezing cell.
    I end up getting banned from driving for a year and fined £360. The legal limit for alcohol in blood is 80 micrograms, I was on 86. So a bit unlucky, but I was over the limit, so no complaints really.
    Not the happiest time of my life.
    No, I have never told this as a DHV story.
    Anyway...this really is off-topic now...SINGING LESSONS!!!! Help please?

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    Get a bike, find a closer teacher. Online singing lessons will never do you anywhere near as much good as a real teacher in the flesh. And I'm not just talking out my ass, I'm a singer, my brother is a chior teacher (and is in my band), and his wife is a private voice coach, and we've all taken lessons throughout the years.
    All that said, the best way to work to improve your own voice is to record yourself singing and listen back to it. Get a decent recorder (not a little one for dictation, one with decent sound reproduction), record yourself singing, and critique yourself mercilessly. Find specific areas you want to improve, and then find a teacher (IRL or online) to give you tips, exercises, or whatever you need to work on the specific qualities you want.
    lucifer

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    Thanks for your advice Lucifer.
    I took lessons for around a year, and got my voice to a reasonable level - decent tone and range. Although I was never super talented.
    Since February though I've not done any scales or anything and my voice is shite again.
    You told me what I didn't want to hear but suspected - you can only get decent tuition from a real teacher.
    Thanks again.

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    Realistically, there's no reason you can't do it on your own. If you've taken lessons before and were up to a level where you could hold a pitch, had a tone that wasn't obnoxious, and you can accompany yourself on guitar or piano, the most important thing a voice teacher will do for you is be an objective ear. I'd seriously consider saving the money on the lessons and investing in a MD recorder or something similar, and start recording yourself and being your own critic.
    The main thing a teacher does, aside form listening objectively and telling you what you need to work on, is give you homework. Some people need the pressure of a teacher expecting them to do the homework in order to be motivated to get it done, but if you'll do it on your own, give yourself homework. You can look up exercises online (or I can suggest a few), and you can start making your own that are taylored to what you want to achieve. Kind of like writing your own DHV stories.
    The absolute best way to get good at singing, once you have the basics of pitch control and a decent grasp of tonality, is to simply sing as often as possible. I sing in the car, I sing in the shower, when I'm at home on the computer I sing, and I play acoustic and sing pretty much daily. The more you do it, the better you'll get to know your instrument and the more comfortable you will be with it, so you will be able to get more out of it. Over time, you'll find songs that are good exercise, so you can stop doing exercises, which are boring and seem to take forever, and start singing "exercise songs" instead. For range exercise, the American national anthem is a great, it goes from low to high repeatedly and really makes you stretch. For accuracy, find songs with large intervals (jumps between distant notes). And so on. After a while, you'll just get to where you sing that stuff by default when you're sitting around the house and you won't have to "practice" so much as rehearse the songs you want to sing in front of people.
    Stage fright is a whole other issue, though.
    lucifer

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    Great advice, thanks Lucifer.
    Stage fright - I know about that - I used to support my mate's band. I would play about 6 songs on my acoustic and sing too in front of the pub before the band went on. Scary shit!!
    Yeah, I would REALLY appreciate it if you could recommend some good exercises to practice at home. I already have all the equipment to record myself - that's why I know I need lessons again - my voice has gone shit when I record it!
    But I'm not singing the US national anthem. C'mon now - I'm from the UK!!! It just isn't gonna happen!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabre_Tooth View Post
    Stage fright - I know about that - I used to support my mate's band. I would play about 6 songs on my acoustic and sing too in front of the pub before the band went on. Scary shit!!
    I can honestly say I don't remember ever having stage fright. It's not that I was just born without it, I just started singing on stage at 4 years old and never stopped, so I literally don't remember ever having it. Nearly everyone I've been in a band with has it to some degree, but it goes away with familiarity.
    I'm a total whore for attention, though, and I always have the biggest ego in the room, so I'm not good at telling people how to get over stage fright. I just assume that the girls want to fuck me and the guys want to be me (so the girls will want to fuck them), and it just kind of works itself out. I'd bail on a 3 set of bi HB10s that wanted me at the same time to get up on stage in front of a good crowd. Well, maybe not, but I'd consider it.
    Yeah, I would REALLY appreciate it if you could recommend some good exercises to practice at home.
    For pitch accuracy, any interval set is good. An example:
    do - me - re - fa - mi - so - fa - la - so - ti - la - do - ti - re - do
    or (depending on how you were taught)
    1 - 3 - 2 - 4 - 3 - 5 - 4 - 6 - 5 - 7 - 6 - 8 - 7 - 2 - 1
    That is a basic relative third interval exercise, and you can adjust the key to whatever is comfortable for you. Then do it backwards (descending) starting at do (do - la - ti - so, etc). Then you can do other interval jumps (4ths or 5ths, they are significantly harder to do accurately), and eventually find a few good songs that are difficult to find the right pitches and sing those. Try Money, by Pink Floyd (since you seem to be hung up on not doing American music ). Everyone thinks it's easy when they sing along with the radio, but try singing it acapella once, the intervals will kill you. If you can get that song down, you should have pretty good pitch accuracy (as long as it's not the only thing you ever sing).
    Tone is subjective. Personally, I've accepted my natural tone and I make other people's music fit within my style. It works for me. If you want to be able to do someone elses tone, you just need to practice it a lot until you get it. Record yourself, figure out what you need to adjust, and try again.
    I already have all the equipment to record myself - that's why I know I need lessons again - my voice has gone shit when I record it!
    Half the battle is recognizing what needs to be improved, and recording yourself is the best way to figure that out. Once you know what you need to fix, if you can't figure out how to do it on your own, pay for one lesson and ride the bus. Tell the teacher exactly what you want to fix and ask for exercises to address it, and just add those to your homework. After a year of lessons, unless you have a speech impediment or some other kind of unusual issue, you should be able to carry on without regular lessons. Don't let the lessons be a crutch, learn to maintain your voice without the teacher.
    Oh, and one more thing. Your profile says 26. Your voice isn't done changing yet. There is a reason that professional opera singers are all in their 40s: your voice changes constantly from about 15 years old until you are in your late 30s. I'm now 31, and in the past 2 years I've discovered a completely new part of my voice that allows me to do AC/DC covers, and I could never do them when I was younger. Just like pick up, you should be constantly calibrating to your instrument. It changes with time, with the weather, with your state of health, etc, and you have to work within what it is capable of at any given time. Learn to do that and you'll be a good singer regardless of whether you have a tone or range that is within the currently accepted norm. Willie Nelson and Bob Dylan have terrible, nasally voices, but they are still great singers because they use their voice like a window to their personality.
    But I'm not singing the US national anthem. C'mon now - I'm from the UK!!! It just isn't gonna happen!!!
    Well, technically a Brit wrote the tune, or more likely it was written in pieces, over time, by a number of people. It was an old British drinking song that was used for a number of published songs, including To Anacreon in Heaven, among others. So sing one of the others if it makes you feel better, it's the pitches that are important, not the words. The song covers an octave and a half and is notoriously difficult to do well. Maybe if the UK had a better anthem I could recommend that instead.
    lucifer

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    good stuff

    Very imformative Lucifer,
    I have a question. What are your thoughts on using alot of rasp? Is it bad for your voice, is the accuracy thrown off? etc.
    I'm going to have my guitar player teach me how to use his 16 track recorder. My band likes my voice, but can't seem to stand the rasp, I want to hear it for myself first and see if I can make the adjustment on sight before throwing my entire style out the window. When I get some extra cash, I will probably start getting some lessons under my belt. I've only been singing a year but I've had some experienced musicians tell me good things. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
    "These woman are playing groupie, I gotta' play rockstar..." -Mystery

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    Sorry, lost track of this thread...
    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskers View Post
    I have a question. What are your thoughts on using alot of rasp? Is it bad for your voice, is the accuracy thrown off? etc.
    And now for a totally useless answer: it depends. If it hurts, don't do it. If it makes you lose your voice, don't do it. If it makes you lose your accuracy, don't do it. Any indication that it's causing excessive stress on your vocal cords means you shouldn't do it. If it's easy and natural for you, use it.
    My band likes my voice, but can't seem to stand the rasp, I want to hear it for myself first and see if I can make the adjustment on sight before throwing my entire style out the window.
    If it's a "put on" style, get rid of it, you'll be happier in the long run. By put on, I mean something that you're actively trying to do. You have to learn to love the voice you have to be any good. That said, I put on rasp sometimes, for effect, on certain songs. When I used to play in metal bands, I'd put it on full time. It was fun, but it wasn't me. I learned to appreciate what my voice is good for, and now I use it for that. It's a lot more rewarding that way, and you don't end every gig hoarse and unable to speak.
    lucifer

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