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07-13-2009, 09:09 AM
| | Project Rockstar 2009 | | | | | Join Date: May 2009 Age: 27
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| | | Ok, let me start by asking you this question : "Why are you reading this review ?"
If you're reading it because : - you want to improve your social skills and get to the next level
- you want to learn from the best of the best
- you don't know if you'll get value from the infield training
My answer to that is : YES, period.
The seminar portion is of very good value, especially if you don't have read Magic bullets or Routines manual vol. 2 yet. Mr M knows what he is talking about, he really helps you see the big picture. Being taught by someone like him can only add to your existing skills, if not making you go through a complete paradigm shift. This guy is starting to make his name, I think you should attend his training while he's still doing it in person...
What about the infield training ?
Gold !
The first night we went at Tiger Tiger, where there was a good vibe, open people, and good-looking girls.
I was instructed by DR YEN the whole night, and man, the experience was pure gold.
His style is overly sexual and direct, but perfectly calibrated so that the girl is always confortable. And aroused !
I loved it, and went only direct the whole night. Dr Yen's feedback was worth a lot too, and I definitely experienced a paradigm shift by the end of the night.
For reference, I heard here and there from other students that at some point of the night, they were not followed by any instructors, or didn't got systematic feedback. If this happens, ask for it. I can assure you that you'll get more than asked for !
Saturday night, we had the choice between two diffrent clubs.
I chose the high-end club, called Movida.
I was mainly instructed by Andy, who is a really cool guy with a great vibe. After 12AM, when energy levels were getting higher, I went for hot girls only, and direct. Andy was always giving me pointers and feedback to tweak my approaches.
In that club, girls were of higher value than in Tiger Tiger, and I had less margin for error. This is a great thing, because you get instant feedback from them !
The other instructors ( Daxx, Vercetti, and other approach coaches) were always willing to give me feedback and tweak my subcommunications.
All of them have a powerful state, and you can count on them to pump up yours as well ! Having them around you is a definite advantage in that kind of environment, because their attitude add to your perceived value.
The other group was in On Anon with Mr M, Keychain, Palladin, and apparently they had a blast too !
There was a really good vibe with all the students, and I met some awesome dudes.
I'll also add the fact that every time I go to a Love Systems event, I'm feeling a sense of genuineness in all the instructors. It may appear irrelevant, but in my opinion, it means a lot. They are perfectly comfortable and congruent with their lifestyle. I trust them, and I trust their feedback.
All in all, the overall bootcamp was a unique experience, and definitely helped me add balls to my game.
I would recommend it to anyone serious about getting comfortable with cold approaches in a night club environment. | This is the definitive work on pickup and dating theory, written by an acknowledged master of the game - a guy who’s TRAINED many of the new “gurus” on the scene! | | Who wants to change their abilities with women and dating FOREVER? | | 
07-13-2009, 04:49 PM
| | | | | | | Join Date: Jun 2009 Age: 23
Posts: 3
| | | Before I review the bootcamp a little background on me and why I decided to take one. I was practicing going out meeting women a few months before attending and my progress was frustrating. I was barely making progress and couldn’t figure out why. I figured that taking a bootcamp would be beneficial to me so I could learn the proper outer and inner skills to propel me to the next level.
I did a lot of research and decided LoveSystems had the right idea when it came to teaching this stuff to guys. I had checked out other companies but no one seemed to have as much in depth material and awesome reviews of the products, bootcamps and instructors as LoveSystems.
I was very optimistic about the weekend and couldn’t wait to get started. Over the next three days I wouldn’t be disappointed and it was even better than I expected!
The seminar portion is just awesome. I had good background knowledge of some of this stuff before hand but whether you do or not you will learn a whole lot of new stuff from these seminars! Mr M is just awesome when he teaches the seminar! He has a really good style of teaching, he breaks it down into its core components and I found it really easy to understand what he was talking about. You can tell that he is really passionate about teaching this and has put an incredible amount of time and effort into his seminars. If you don’t quite get a concept then he is open to questions at any point and is happy to explain a point over and over until you understand it.
The in-field portion is incredible! There is no easier way to learn what you can learn from the in-field portion of the bootcamps. All the instructors and approach coaches are dedicated to helping you push past your sticking points and take your game to the next level. On the first evening I was assigned primarily with Keychain. This guy has a wealth of knowledge and he took as much time as needed to help you with anything you were having problems with. Dude thanks for all the help you gave me over the weekend!
On the first night I blasted through any AA that I had and approached loads of sets. I was opening and transitioning most which was the aim of the night and I was using mostly direct openers! Before the bootcamp I would never have used these but now after attending I aim to use them the most. They were great and got really good responses from the girls!
I’d like to thank the other approach coaches that helped me out on the first night. I had some really good chats with you guys and I apologise for not remembering everyone’s name but I took a lot from what you guys had to say.
The second night the aim was to open, transition and the start attraction and hopefully take the interactions as far as they would go. This second night was a bit more difficult for me. I was opening and transitioning as in the first night but I was running into problems with attraction, tripping myself up a little and not fully remembering all the attraction material. This is through no fault of the instructors or the way the bootcamp was taugh, it was my memory and having a whole load of material in seminar to remember. Now that the bootcamp is over and I have re-read my notes I am confident that my attraction game will be better when I’m next in field.
I learned some really valuable stuff on the second night that I simply probably would not have learnt if I didn’t attend. Mr M had a really good chat with me about a lot of subcommunication and innergame problems that I had. This was really important to find out and I was given a plan for how to solve these problems. Thanks also to Paladin for the advice on innergame that you gave me on that second night and also to Keychain again for some helpful pointers throughout the night when I was stalling. Agian thanks to all the other approach coaches and instructors that helped me out.
In summary the bootcamp was incredible! I cannot recommend highly enough taking a bootcamp with LoveSystems and specifically with Mr M. This guy knows his stuff, has taken a LOT of time to put together what he teaches and knows his shit inside and out! If you’re thinking about taking a bootcamp I can deffinately recommend it to you. Whatever stage you’re at in game you will benefit a great deal from one of these events.
It was awesome meeting all the other students, we all made a huge amount of progress and came out the experience with a whole load more confidence in ourselves and our game.
Thanks again to Mr M, Keychain, Paladin, Vercetti, Daxx and all the other instructors and approach coaches who helped make this weekend an incredible experience. I learned a lot and have the framework to take myself to the next level.
Dave. | Who wants to change their abilities with women and dating FOREVER? | | 
07-13-2009, 06:43 PM
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| | | wow...love your reviews guys..My bootcamp with Mr M is in like 2 weeks time..cant freakin wait!!hahaz..looking back,do you guys think you would have done anything more to prepare for the bootcamp BEFORE the bootcamp and also done more DURING the bootcamp to really make it more of a fruitful experience? | Who wants to change their abilities with women and dating FOREVER? | | 
07-14-2009, 04:00 AM
|  | Director, Love Systems Europe Love Systems Instructor Lounge Member | | | | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: London
Posts: 234
| | | Guys
That was an AWESOME bootcamp.
Highlights (note - real names protected by pseudonyms - you should know who you are by the names below): - M.C. - taking home a same night lay/one night stand on day 2 of the bootcamp & finding his 'base' - his Inner Game. Bravo, bravo. You've got everything you need now. Go Supernova.
- Will Ferrill - after his first set on Friday, with a look of utter surprise 'Fuck. This shit actually works.'
- Vishman - Vishman (at beginning of bootcamp): 'I've never actually cold approached before'. Vishman (after second night of bootcamp): 'I only kissed 8 girls AT MOVIDA [note: one of the most high end clubs in London].'
- Vishman to another student - Vishman: "WHAT? You got 6 makeouts with tongue!? I only got like 3 or 4!"
- Mr Ireland trying to escalate like a BEAST on a chick with a boyfriend who wouldn't have it... and him going for broke anyway. AUSTRALIAN SHOTS BABY!!!
- Futurism - our 1 hour talk on Inner Game - you know what you need to do man
- M.C. - Mr M: 'So you made out with a girl. That's the one you took home right?' M.C.: 'Uh, no, that was as different one.'
- Mr Ireland: 'So this girl was being a complete bitch to me and then Keychain comes in and says something to her and she is all over him...'
- AD Investments: Just the look on your face the entire time... and the wow moments and bar openers
- Alex Flair - "I'M ADDICTED TO DIRECT. IT'S YEN'S FAULT"
- Mr Italy - Sarging without being able to speak clear English in a loud club. Bravo... just WAIT till you get back to Italy,,,
- Ex dancing monkey (now alpha male!): Speed of implementation. Mr M tells him to escalate faster. Then 10 seconds later sees him escalating like a maniac.
- JS: Hope everything OK with your fam dude. Sorry you had to leave the BC early - hit me up and we'll arrange something.
- American: Almost f closing my roommates best friend. Haha.... well done...
- Norweigan monster: Makeouts on both nights and the line 'I like you. Her eis my number. If you don't speak to any other guys tonight that take your interest, hit me up.'. She calls in 30 mins and they hook up. HAHA!
- Bulgaria - LOVED your vibe man. Take it back to your home country and tear it up...
What an amazing time. Guys... keep in touch and congratulations of what was one of the best bootcamps ever.
P.s. To remove all doubt, the girl below (aka Megan Fox) is my future ex wife. My plan... SCM now. Australian shots in 6 months. Almost kiss in 7. 'Go first' principle in 8. LMR in 8.5. Babies at month 9.  | Who wants to change their abilities with women and dating FOREVER? | | 
07-14-2009, 08:08 PM
|  | Love Systems Instructor | | | | | Join Date: May 2006
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Originally Posted by Mr M P.s. To remove all doubt, the girl below (aka Megan Fox) is my future ex wife. My plan... SCM now. Australian shots in 6 months | Really? My plan was more along the lines of: 
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[the] greatest teacher that I have ever had ... the friendliness, the selflessness, the open-mindedness, the passion for the subject matter, the charisma, the patience, the dedication to his students, and the absolute MASTERY of his subject field ... Sheriff has taken concepts & words & ideas that you may have heard 100 times before, but as soon as they come out of Sheriff's mouth, you INSTANTLY understand what he's talking about ... Sheriff has internalized this material so well over so many years that he EASILY & EFFORTLESSLY shares his knowledge in a way that makes sense to beginners.
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07-15-2009, 06:47 AM
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| | | During the seminar part of the bootcamp we went through the Emotional Progression Model. Each stage was described in detail accompanied by many examples and demonstartions. I had previously familiarized myself with the EPM but it's one thing reading about it and completely different learning it first hand.
The reviews above pretty much sum up the entire weekend but here are my personal highlights:
Day 1 (Night game) - Tiger Tiger
The first night we went to Tiger-Tiger in Leicester square. When I entered the venue my first impression was that of the instructors, in particular the way they were dressed. Each one had an individual and unique style tailored to their identity. Even before opening their mouths they were already sub-communicating many alpha male traits.
The venue was perfect for our goals - approach and open as many sets. Sets in the venue were mostly 5s, and 6s (maybe the odd 7) and opened very easily.
Instructors were pushing me into set after set, giving thorough feedback after each approach. By the end of the night I was going in direct; creating attraction and kino escalating. That night my reallity completely changed. I saw first-hand what is socially possible.
Day 2 - Movida
Second night we were spllit into groups, one stayed in 'on anon' and we hit Movida. This venue is as tough as it gets. The girls there are very socially calibrated - a 6 has the attitude of a 9.
For those of you that don't know this is the playground for the instructors. It gave us a 'taste' of what we should be aiming for.
After midnight we went direct. I found demonstartions from the instructions to be particularly useful. Although I couldn't hear the conversation, watching their body language, kino escaaltion, and the response it got was a real eye opener.
In conclusion, the seminar part of the bootcamp will teach you the theory - by day 3 it will all make sense to you. The in-field part of the bootcamp will 'break' your comfort zone and change the way you look at the world.
This weekend completely changed my perspective in terms of what's possible in social interactions.
As they say: 'The door has been opened... It's up to us whether we go through...' | Who wants to change their abilities with women and dating FOREVER? | | 
07-19-2009, 08:11 AM
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| | | Irish Magpie Review I really didn’t know what to expect going to bootcamp, having read The Game about 3 years ago. I thought we could be wearing top hats and doing magic tricks all day. But a lot has changed since The Game, bootcamp turned out to be one of the most fun weekends and a great self development course.
I guess a lot of people have a mixed preconception about bootcamp. But when you get into the course, you begin to realize that it’s so much more then how to pick up girls. You’re not just learning how to approach women, but female physiology, how to present yourself correctly to girls, social interaction and ultimately how to better yourself.
All the instructors are really cool guys, extremely helpful and friendly. The infield training was great, getting one on one training from MrM and Kegchain was gold. They gave me great feedback and showed me why these guys are legends within the community.
Since the bootcamp I’ve lost count of the amount of sets I’ve opened, every time I go out now meeting girls and having fun is the norm. The bootcamp has total changed my mind set and values. I would recommend this course to anyone not matter what your level. | Who wants to change their abilities with women and dating FOREVER? | | 
07-20-2009, 10:49 AM
| | | | | | | Join Date: Jul 2009 Age: 26
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| | | I felt nervous going into the bootcamp, I knew it was full and all that was running through my head was: can it be worth the money? please dont let it be full of weird community guys! how much can I learn in just a weekend?
as soon as I walked in and met Mr M I was instantly at ease, this is a guy that not only knows his shit, but has an amazing vibe about him and is genuinly one of the nicest guys I have met.
There were all sorts of skill levels from people that have never cold approached before to people that had flirted around with this for years. The first days seminar concentrated on opening and transitioning, the instructors did demos of opening with the correct body language and this time spent both watching the correct body language and then doing it yourself and getting feedback on it, was really useful and one of the best things I took from the opening day.
Infield on friday night was a real education for me. Opening over a dozen girls both indirect and super direct really showed me that blowouts dont hurt, some of the girls i opened shut me down realy hard but the instructors are always there to tell you exactly what happened and off you go to talk to someone else and it starts to click and you start to get it. also watching Mr M, Vercetti and Daxx in person was almost worth the entry price alone. Watching hot girls open them because of the vibe they were exuding and that they were the most gangster guys in the club, showed me how this game is supposed to look when its played well with your navy seal team.
On the second day you could feel that there was more of a buzz with the students, the first night had gone great and we were ready for more. the seminar went into incredible depth on attraction and the important concepts and frames to come from when in ' attraction', also some fucking funny lines and gambits to use in field.
The second night was turned up to 11. My personal highlights were making out with a southern baptist cheerleader who's last boyfriend took three months to kiss her and she had never made out with a guy in a club before (I actually asked her why she was cool doing it with me and she said "I dont know, I cant work it out, it just sort of... happened") If game can work on a southern baptist then it can work on anyone. Another note on this is that my sticking point had been not escalating and five minutes before I approached this girl Mr M had took me aside and went through things to implement, this guy will watch you in set, know exactly where your problem lies and give you ways to fix it which are money and work like a charm. Vercetti's 10 minutes that he spent with me working on vocal projection blew me away and made the results I was getting skyrocket. If you get a chance to work with him do not pass it up. Other evening highlights were an engaged girl re-open me three times and force her number upon me, a number close from a hot swedish girl and a snl with a beautifull socal girl. None of this would have been possible without the in-field coaching and skills of the instructors. The ratio of instructors to students is 2 to 1 at the worst and the increases you witness in your game from working one weekend with these guys would take you years of trial error to replicate on your own.
The third day had guest speeches by keychain on fashion and day game plus a talk from doctor yen on snls and super direct game, this plus Mr M covering the rest of the emotional progression model and how to implement game into the rest of your life. by going on this bootcamp i was able to witness how this game is supposed to look and the way that I want to use game to add to my life not to take it over.
There are a million and one reasons not to take action but only one reason to... because you deserve it. In twenty years time you will regret more the things you didnt do then the things you did, and if you are genuinly interested in getting this area of your life handled then you owe it to yourself to work with the best. Mr M has learned, tried out and discarded as useless, more pickup knowledge then most of us have ever and will ever learn. He has no natural advantages yet has the most incredible game that I have witnessed. If you do what he tells you to do your game cant not get better. It is impossible.
Finally tips for someone awaiting their bootcamp and wanting to know how to prep:
1. Open a shit ton of sets, not the news you may have wanted but if you have opening down by the time you start your bootcamp you will have 2 whole nights to work on the important parts of your game sticking points like escalation, isolation, qualification etc. Dont get me wrong Mr M and the other Love systems guys will get you opening, but imagine how much better it'll be if you're there getting advice and winging with the best and your already ahead of the curve.
2. Be demanding. this is your bootcamp. if you dont understand something, ask, if you want an instructor to watch you open, then grab one and tell him thats what you need and that you want feedback straight after. the more you put in to the weekend the more you will get out of it.
3. Just go with it. Your instructors may get you to say or do things that sound retarded or that make you nervous or uncomfortable. Just do it. If you do what they say your game will get better it really is that simple.
Major thanks to everyone on the bootcamp both instrutors and students, the vibe was electric and I have made some friends for life.
time to go supernova | Who wants to change their abilities with women and dating FOREVER? | | 
07-20-2009, 04:05 PM
| | | | | | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Age: 35
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| | | It was all for a reason. Both of these steps lead towards my objective of becoming the best of myself and both step up my social dynamics skills.
My 'game' (don't really like that word) skills are after about a year training quite o.k. But I was ready for a boost. Not only being able to better internalize known LS concepts, but most importantly get invaluable feedback and watch masters do-it-right. I did not need the bootcamp, I gave it to myself really as a summer surprise present. Bootcamp was cool, no doubt. But I have decided to post at this place review of something else - the Social Circle Mastery seminar.
To be precise - this is a status report 2 months after the seminar.
Once people get their Social skills to a decent level, there is one thing I would definitely recommend: the SCM.
After the SCM seminar in London 2 months ago, I have put together a plan. At that time my SCM was pretty basic.
Here is, where I am 2 months down the line:
- my navy seal is build
- I know quite a few cool promoters and social connectors in London
- through my social connectors I got on some mid- to higher-end social networking sites and now I keep meeting the frequent flyers on venues, organized by these sites
- my role changed from 'looking for venues to attend' to 'saying yes/maybe/no to parties that I'd like to attend' (my social connectors are happy to do this for me and they do a much better job)
- me and my navy seal team started organising parties ourselves and nothing but good feedback is what we get for that
Results are coming faster than most people would ever imagine.
Here's an example of how amazing it is to apply SCM:
Last week, the owner of London's premier night club contacted me (knowing that I do a particular hobby a lot), suggesting we should do it together, as he shares passion for that hobby with me. SCM can be effectively applied not only in clubs and bars, but in any social situation, business environment is no exception. That is, why I like this concept. Braddock and Mr. M - here is my HUGE thank you to both of you for having invested the time, analyzed, broken down and synthesised the SCM program. Let it help improve life of many more to come... | Who wants to change their abilities with women and dating FOREVER? | | 
07-23-2009, 06:20 PM
| | | | | | | Join Date: Mar 2008
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| | | Guys, this was an amazing experience. Ok, so one of the things I'm always skeptical about is whether these reviews are real or not. Well, this one is. I did the bootcamp with Mr. M a couple of weeks ago in London.
I have NEVER cold approached a woman in a club before. It's just not what I do. I hook up with women who come into my social circle, so therefore my choice is limited. I have hooked up with friends of friends, women I have come across through shared interests, women I have met through travelling; but I have never had the balls to just go up to a woman in a club and say "hi, I'm X, what's your name?". After this bootcamp, I can now do that, and without much fear of rejection (which is inevitable, and doesn't really matter). I was told on the bootcamp that the first 1000 approaches don't count, and I understand that mentality now. I've just got to keep approaching, transitioning, calibrating, and seeing where it all leads me. And I know it will lead me to lots of interesting and fascinating places ... including meeting lots of interesting and fascinating women.
I have 2 really key wants from a woman: attractiveness and intelligence. The first night in Tiger Tiger I hooked up with (ie. had a long chat with) a gorgeous Irish girl, and an attractive - married - cosmetic surgeon from Iceland (who kept coming back for more). The second night I had a good chat with a beautiful Canadian student and a pretty 21 year old English girl who I would never have approached in the past (I'm nearly 40). I have plenty still to learn, but I now understand the "pattern" for making myself attractive to women. Now it's just a case of practicing. This is knowledge that is invaluable, and gives me a structure to build on.
I was nervous about turning up for bootcamp, but Mr. M, Vercetti and the other instructors were amazing guys - I have to reserve a special shout out for keychain, who helped me hugely with some innner game stuff. It's a great experience. Is it value for money? Well it's a shit load of cash, but I think it's going to help me meet many many more women in my life, and they're going to be higher quality than before, so if that's your goal, then it's money well spent.
All I can say is that I had a blast, and it will be one of the most memorable weekends I've had in a long long time! My advice: if you've got the cash, go for it! | Who wants to change their abilities with women and dating FOREVER? | |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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