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    Also, just for reference- the ONLY official AC's are those listed in the "About Us" team bio section on the website (I will be.. just haven't written a bio yet). Everyone else is an assistant or someone the instructors considered having value who could help the students.



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    I'd love to attend a bootcamp one day. Its my belief that no matter HOW good you are, or think you are, you can and WILL benefit from an MM bootcamp.
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    So basically we had ONE official approach coash and one master instructor for 12 students??
    That was really what the whole gripe boils down to. There was a way too high student instructor ratio which was exaggerated by one of them not really contributing.
    There is no 'try' only 'do'

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogpound
    I'd like to think I got some game myself, thanks very much.
    I can pick up any girl at any nightclub or bar at anytime (although I'm having some issues with the strippers.) But, I would much rather spend a night and learn from the man himself than one of the instructors. (no offense to any of the instructors)
    Anyone know when he will be in TO and why he isn't doing as many Bootcamps as he used to?
    Quote Originally Posted by dogpound
    I'd like to think I got some game myself, thanks very much.
    I can pick up any girl at any nightclub or bar at anytime (although I'm having some issues with the strippers.) But, I would much rather spend a night and learn from the man himself than one of the instructors. (no offense to any of the instructors)
    Anyone know when he will be in TO and why he isn't doing as many Bootcamps as he used to?
    I'm sure everyone would rather have one on one time with Mystery as opposed to anyone else!
    Mystery ONLY does special programs now unless he makes a random surprise visit to a bootcamp. Mystery does this because he is focusing on other aspects of his life at this time.
    And I don't believe you can pick up any girl at any nightclub. I will say with 100% certainty your statement is wrong. If you're advanced though I definitely recommend taking a smaller program or doing 1 on 1.

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    Hi guys!
    I’ve been busy working on some stuff with Mystery, and this thread was brought to my attention and I think it deserves a response.
    First, I should say to those students who have posted dissatisfaction with the Atlanta program, I feel really bad about that. Complaints like this are very rare for me and program quality is my top priority. I’m sorry you didn’t feel you had enough instruction… I was unaware you were unsatisfied at the time; most of the students were having a really positive experience. I wish you’d voiced this to me directly at the bootcamp and I would have done everything I could to rectify the situation before hearing about it for the first time on here. At Mystery Method, we take pride in our programs and our reputation, and we are always striving to improve our programs and provide the top in-field training available. Customer satisfaction is extremely important to Mystery Method and I’m sure if you contact the business office they will do whatever is necessary to make things right for you.
    Here are some of the positive comments I have received about the Atlanta program via email:
    I’ve been doing well and a fair amount of sarging and my skills have dramatically improved. Squirrel has been mentoring me over the phone a bit and that has been a tremendous help.
    If you remember I kissed closed a girl at Compound the night you were in town. Well, I went out with her the next week and closed the deal all the way through. She’s 24, Hot, and has become a regular occurrence. In fact, we went out this last weekend and had her making out with another girl at a night club. The other girl wasn’t ready to come home with us – but she is open to it and even has a couple of friends in mind…
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    I have to say, you did an awesome job of presenting, I was engaged the entire time. Really taught me alot about body language and conversational structure.
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    Hiya,
    Hope you are home, settled in, and a bit rested by now. Just a quick note to say thanks for putting on a great bootcamp. Very much appreciated! The guys you brought in to instruct were great as well and everyone that I talked to said they definitely got their money's worth out of the weekend. I know I did.
    I’d also like to address some of the specific complaints. First, there was apparently some confusion about the seminar schedule. Portions of the website listed the start time at 4 PM, when in fact my seminar starts at 2 PM. (This is so that students will have a longer dinner break and have time to shower and prepare for the night.) The company has since standardized ALL live programs to run from 2 PM to 7 PM, which should resolve any future confusion of this nature.
    Second, expectations were not properly set about the contents of the seminar itself. Mystery Method does not actually have a standardized seminar. Each Master Instructor has their own seminar, some of which involve powerpoint, or whiteboard, or various exercises, etc. Seminars from Mystery, or Sinn, or Matador, or myself are all different experiences. The syllabus on the website is more intended to give a general description of the program, not an exact one. That having been said, we at MM have definitely noticed that exercises are popular with students, and we are actively moving towards incorporating them more into future live programs and products.
    Third, expectations were not properly set in terms of class size and instructor ratio. The business office is in the process of determining how best to more accurately convey this on the website so that such confusion does not occur in the future. Mystery Method definitely does NOT restrict class size to 8 students. If you signed up expecting a class of 8 students, then there was definitely a miscommunication. What we do offer is a student-to-instructor ratio of 3:1. I have led bootcamps of up to 22 students, but I always brought enough instructors to insure a 3:1 ratio. Those students interested in a more favorable ratio are encouraged to sign up for an individualized program (these are available, contact the business office.)
    I have seen a comment or two in this thread that the approach coaches were somehow sub-par because they are not featured on the MM website, or because they are lesser known in the community. For the record, ANYONE who is instructing at an MM bootcamp is someone who has top-notch game and who has demonstrated their ability to demonstrate and coach effectively. Mehow has worked 5 or 6 MM bootcamps and has always received superlative reviews (in fact the best reviews of any instructor I have ever worked with.) Dynamic did so well in New York that we signed him immediately and he has been working our programs ever since. He is definitely not sub-par or he would not be instructing for us. Both performed various demos in Atlanta such as makeouts and stealing girls from their BF. Squirrel spent most of Friday night doing demos as well, including deep comfort game. I would advise those students who consider themselves more advanced not to think of comfort as “boring? – the game is played in comfort. If you are an advanced student, comfort is definitely what you should be observing and practicing in order to increase your percentage of lays. I have personally improved my game vastly by watching other players for hours of deep comfort game.
    FYI, I personally advised Mehow and Squirrel to focus on demos for the first half of Friday night. This is important because many students have limiting beliefs about the possibilities in the field and they need to see it first-hand in order to build faith. I try to keep students circulating to different instructors over the course of the night so they have the opportunity to get feedback from different perspectives. Apparently there were some students in Atlanta who felt like they received less coaching than others, which is unfortunate. This occurs from time to time, usually with more advanced students, but is overall extremely rare in MM programs.
    Some people have mentioned that MM should give a copy of the VAH to students who take the bootcamp. This is a re-occurring request in fact. Personally I think this is a good idea and I’m sure is something the business office has considered. However it is also a moot point since MM is about to stop selling the VAH forever. For the record, when teaching seminar, I DO provide handouts which include in-field tips, syllabus, several pages of openers and routines, negs, false time constraints, and wing rules.
    In any case, I’ve got to get back to work for now, but I’ll see you guys in the field. Game on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovedrop
    Hi guys!
    I’ve been busy working on some stuff with Mystery, and this thread was brought to my attention and I think it deserves a response.
    First, I should say to those students who have posted dissatisfaction with the Atlanta program, I feel really bad about that. Complaints like this are very rare for me and program quality is my top priority. I’m sorry you didn’t feel you had enough instruction… I was unaware you were unsatisfied at the time; most of the students were having a really positive experience. I wish you’d voiced this to me directly at the bootcamp and I would have done everything I could to rectify the situation before hearing about it for the first time on here. At Mystery Method, we take pride in our programs and our reputation, and we are always striving to improve our programs and provide the top in-field training available. Customer satisfaction is extremely important to Mystery Method and I’m sure if you contact the business office they will do whatever is necessary to make things right for you.
    I don't like to complain either because i know you put in 100% effort over the weekend. I think individually some of us were a bit disappointed but thought that we were the only one to feel that way but since reading other reviews and speaking to other students we realised that a few of us felt that we didn't get what we had expected out of the bootcamp.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lovedrop
    Here are some of the positive comments I have received about the Atlanta program via email:
    I’ve been doing well and a fair amount of sarging and my skills have dramatically improved. Squirrel has been mentoring me over the phone a bit and that has been a tremendous help.
    I know exactly who that email came from and i'm glad he improved his skills but i'm still a bit disappointed that it came at the expense of my own instruction. Squirrel appeared to 'bond' with Jay and become his personal tutor, I'm glad he is helping him, I'm just disappointed that it seems to have cost the other students because it increased the instructor / student ratio for everyone else
    Quote Originally Posted by Lovedrop
    Third, expectations were not properly set in terms of class size and instructor ratio. The business office is in the process of determining how best to more accurately convey this on the website so that such confusion does not occur in the future. Mystery Method definitely does NOT restrict class size to 8 students. If you signed up expecting a class of 8 students, then there was definitely a miscommunication. What we do offer is a student-to-instructor ratio of 3:1. I have led bootcamps of up to 22 students, but I always brought enough instructors to insure a 3:1 ratio. Those students interested in a more favorable ratio are encouraged to sign up for an individualized program (these are available, contact the business office.)
    I agree that the website needs to make class sizes clearer. I would definately have put more time into researching individualised training versus bootcamp if i'd known there would be 12 students. Both for the oversarging the club point of view and the personalised aspect of the training.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lovedrop
    I have seen a comment or two in this thread that the approach coaches were somehow sub-par because they are not featured on the MM website, or because they are lesser known in the community. For the record, ANYONE who is instructing at an MM bootcamp is someone who has top-notch game and who has demonstrated their ability to demonstrate and coach effectively. Mehow has worked 5 or 6 MM bootcamps and has always received superlative reviews (in fact the best reviews of any instructor I have ever worked with.) Dynamic did so well in New York that we signed him immediately and he has been working our programs ever since. He is definitely not sub-par or he would not be instructing for us. Both performed various demos in Atlanta such as makeouts and stealing girls from their BF. Squirrel spent most of Friday night doing demos as well, including deep comfort game. I would advise those students who consider themselves more advanced not to think of comfort as “boring? – the game is played in comfort. If you are an advanced student, comfort is definitely what you should be observing and practicing in order to increase your percentage of lays. I have personally improved my game vastly by watching other players for hours of deep comfort game.
    FYI, I personally advised Mehow and Squirrel to focus on demos for the first half of Friday night. This is important because many students have limiting beliefs about the possibilities in the field and they need to see it first-hand in order to build faith. I try to keep students circulating to different instructors over the course of the night so they have the opportunity to get feedback from different perspectives. Apparently there were some students in Atlanta who felt like they received less coaching than others, which is unfortunate. This occurs from time to time, usually with more advanced students, but is overall extremely rare in MM programs.
    I don't think anyone was trying to say that the instructors we had were sub par. I watched Mehow demo and was very impressed with his demo's but when he finished he couldn't tell you what he was doing because it was "Mehow method". Dynamic was also very impressive in set and eager to help with questions, WHEN you could get hold of him.
    I remember you asking on the first day who considered themselves an advanced student and I asked you to define 'advanced'. I still would not consider myself advanced by your standard and expected that for my level of game a bootcamp was what i needed. Perhaps the website needs to make it a bit clearer that 1 on 1 will benefit people who have already put some effort into increasing their skills more than a bootcamp and a bootcamp is more designed for complete beginners.
    There is no 'try' only 'do'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masters
    And I don't believe you can pick up any girl at any nightclub. I will say with 100% certainty your statement is wrong. If you're advanced though I definitely recommend taking a smaller program or doing 1 on 1.
    Well you might be right. I may have exaggerated a little but i have no problem approaching, negging, and closing at nightclubs. Obviously no one can pick up 100% of the time but i'm doing pretty good.
    It's too bad Mystery doesn't do anymore bootcamps. A night with the legend would be well worth the money.

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    I must say that it is an exhilarating experience when you sarge so much that it becomes an addiction... the momentum is unstoppable.
    I frequently find myself opening a set and craving for another and another and another.
    To be able to run through the steps and then use them shortly after with the masters. I look at my progress with inner and field game... and I go out a know that I could be running a camp in the a few short years to come...
    One Day soon I will get there, but first... I've gotta take that bootcamp...
    You guys are an inspiration to us all and for that I thank you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent Chase
    The dude passed the rigorous test to make it approach coach, the dude is living out of an apartment eating fuckin' chinese takeout,
    Out of curiosity: what kind of test is it? And how well do you think that you and the rest of the great moderators would have done with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtreeme
    Out of curiosity: what kind of test is it? And how well do you think that you and the rest of the great moderators would have done with it?
    Love!
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    Approach Coaches are approved by 2 master instructors plus mystery and savoy.
    At least that's what it took to get me approved. I think Dynamic's process was similar.

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