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varick212 · #1 11-25-2008, 09:04 AM

I know it sounds cliche, but I just came from 3 days that completely changed my life. I'm actually a pretty normal guy, have dated hot women but not consistently. I'm successful in my career and am a self-confident guy. However, I realized that all my success in the past were simply due to the fact that the girls were obviously into me, and I did very little to actually attract them. This is what I wanted to change.

The bootcamp started with an overview of the EPM -- whilst I had read Magic Bullets prior to taking the bootcamp, I found Mr M's logical explanation of female psychology quite helpful, since he related real world experiences from all participants into the model. Both instructors are obviously very intelligent guys who are able to explain what most consider a very qualitative subject into logical chunks of information.

We then progressed onto opening and transitioning. Mr M and 5.0 gave very good tips on the non-verbal aspects of opening. For me, it was important to learn which angle to approach from, also learning how to make the opening seem spontaneous and unscripted and most importantly, how to smile (or not smile). We also covered direct openers, which was something we would try out in the field later.

After all this, we went to the field. This is where it is obviously interesting. Learning theory was tremendous, but watching Mr M and 5.0 apply their skills was extraordinary. Mr M and 5.0 have pretty different games, but both were equally effective.

We started at a bar to warm up, right away, Mr M pushed us all into sets and watched. At first I think we were all a bit cold, so he actually opened a few sets for us, and then allowed us to wing. It was great to see how aggressive yet smooth he was. He proved to me that women actually want to be chatted up, they just wanting there for a guy to come talk to them!

We then ended up going to a wine bar where people are seated and so we tried a different kind of more chilled out game. Mr M taught how to approach women who were seated. He also pointed out to me which sets would likely be a waste of time, and which made more sense.

Finally, we went to one of Zurich's top nightclubs, and this is where the fun began. We asked for a few demo sets, and watched 5.0 and Mr M go to work. Mr M approached a few sets directly with the opener "I think you're aboslutely beautiful and I wanted to come talk to you." What was amazing was that some of the sets actually told him to more or less fuck off, but he persisted, and in the end, he actually ended up making out with a few of them. I personally was extremely impressed to see Mr M, a 5'6" Asian dude (though he is jacked), making out with hot blondes using a direct approach. At this point, I was sold. 5.0 was working a really hot blonde girl as well. I watched him toy, and tease and build a high level of attraction. His game is extraordinary, he takes no shit from girls and is extremely aggressive but benig very, very funny and silly at the same time.

As for me, I opened a few sets in the nightclub and did so-so, but what struck me the most was that I was starting to actually understand the model in a practical context. When I was talking to a girl, I could begin to understand what phase I was in. I also then realized what I had done wrong in the past was not focusnig enough on the attraction phase and not escalating fast enough!

The next day was an overview of attraction and qualification, which was mostly the tools of attractions. We spent a lot of time on role-plays, IVDs, role reversals, stupid games, teasing etc. This was extremely helpful because yes, it's covered in magic bullets, but some of the games/tools are not initutive at all, so it is necessary to be explained. 5.0 was particularly helpful on the leading/pacing and false disqualifiers and negs. Since it was a relatively small group, we spent time practicing with each other, and what was extremely helpful was understanding the mechanics of a conversation, in other words, a girl says something, you first identify the "trigger words" then you decide to (a) probe deeper (b) tease (c) relate. Mr M had us say a sentence, and have the person next to them either tease or relate, and we went on in a circle, which was quite helpful.

Saturday night was awesome. Now that material was soaked up in my head and I had some field experience from Friday, it became much, much easier. I needed a little prompting at first, but then I was just opening and maintaining sets on my own. I realized that teasing the girls and playing dumb games with them was extremely effective, since I naturally qualify and do comfort pretty well. Things went all for all of us that night, and again, it was magically to watch 5.0 and Mr M's persistence, aggressiveness and confidence in action. Truly, truly astonishing. What you guys reading this don't realize is that, take your best-looking, smoothest, friend, and these guys are notches above them. Seriously. And it can be LEARNED!!!!

I don't have much to say about Sunday since I had to get to the airport, but I met a smoking hot girl at the train station waiting for the train, approached her, ended up having a coffee with her at a different stop, she asked me to come back to her place, but I had to catch a flight. The experience was amazing; truly amazing. I realized by fixing just a few slight issues, I was able to attract women, much, much more.

I highly, highly recommend this class especially if you're a guy who's not done terrible with women already. These guys will identify and fix a few flaws and within 2 days, you will be much, much better already. One other thing I learned is that pick-up is an addicition, after I got over basic AA, picking up girls is just a ton of fun! You just can't stop!

Oh and you guys need to see 5.0 and Mr M in the field, truly amazing, truly amazing. These are normal dudes who evolved into guys with unbelievable skills.

Soul · #2 11-26-2008, 02:17 AM

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Mr M approached a few sets directly with the opener "I think you're aboslutely beautiful and I wanted to come talk to you."

Being roommates with each other has its benefits

ur2nice2me · #3 11-26-2008, 04:46 AM

Hey Varick!
I had my Bootcamp in October 2007 with Mr.M and Sheriff in London (Why the hell are you flying in to Zurich for it?). And I can confirm it was a major push also in the very beginning of my PU development. I started with theory just a month before the bootcamp. So that the day classroom workshop did not have too much of new stuff in form me. However, the InField experience was amazing. They really took their time to warm up each workshop member according to their individual needs.
And even when I had a bad sequence of rejections in a row, they kept built me up until I got my successful closes. Still, it is a lot to pay, but the InField Workshops rock!
It was a great kick off for my PU "career".

5.0 · #4 11-27-2008, 01:53 AM

Was a blast meeting you and working with you this weekend!

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Originally Posted by varick212

He proved to me that women actually want to be chatted up, they just wanting there for a guy to come talk to them!

Seems such a simple realisation, but it was the same one that transformed my game too - women DO want you to talk to them ...so just start!

Look forward to hearing about your progress,
-5.0

Mr M · #5 11-28-2008, 02:58 PM

Thank you very much for the glowing review and glad we were able to 'rock your world'! Be sure to continue practicing and remember - there is no good reason not to approach!

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Originally Posted by varick212

What was amazing was that some of the sets actually told him to more or less fuck off, but he persisted, and in the end, he actually ended up making out with a few of them. I personally was extremely impressed to see Mr M, a 5'6" Asian dude (though he is jacked), making out with hot blondes using a direct approach.

LOL - anything really is possible isn't it? Glad you can draw inspiration... I want to see you doing the exact same thing next time!

moonlighter · #6 11-28-2008, 11:48 PM

This is my second review of a Love Systems product so the fact that I'm a return customer should be enough to kick things off.

I attended Mr. M and Braddock's Social Circle Mastery seminar in London this past June and they both highly recommended I work on some of the fundamentals as well. So I took this bootcamp in Zurich hoping to fix some of my sticking points. I don't think fixing is the right word. Mr. M and 5.0 helped me absolutely blow past them. The thing is, I'm pretty good at game. Just by reading and practicing I got laid more than my 15-yr-old inner self ever thought i could. But that's just it. I satisfied the little boy inside of me and had yet to really explore my potential as a man.

With Mr. M and 5.0 kicking my ass to approach, approach, approach and close, close, close, I had an astonishingly successful weekend. I'm not going to go into the detail of the bootcamp as Varick has done it above. Two things I want to point out that he talked about are Mr. M's brazen club behavior and 5.0's direct approach. Mr. M is really great to watch in set. They guy has balls of steel, seriously. He's aggressive in a way I never though one could be but it's so consistent with him and his confident persona that it's not even awkward. 5.0 is also amazingly at direct game too. He demonstrates so well that you can't hide your sexual self in a bar because you think it will scare a girl off. He's unapologetic about his intentions and at the same time very entertaining. Shit i'd sleep with him if i were a girl.

In addition to the great post at the top of this thread, I want to highlight two things that really stand out from this bootcamp.

First, I generally was drinking a bit and assuming attraction, jumping right into qualification on the assumption that simply by talking to me, the girl was attracted to me. That's probably not completely wrong but Mr. M helped me see that it was a small hook that could easily be broken by any number of state breaks. Watching him in field, I saw how his style of sarcasm and high value frames really got the girls jumping over themselves to qualify to him. In addition, I tried to emulate 5.0's absolutely rock solid first five minutes. I'm still not sure how he does it, but this guy immediately gets, and keeps, the absolute attention of whoever he is talking to. It's really magnetic. In watching this in field, and changing my body language and tonality a bit, I really made a breakthrough in attraction. Again, this is something I didn't really even realize I needed but which 5.0 and Mr. M immediately pinpointed as a weak point in my game.

Second, Mr. M, thanks to, yes, Braddock, has developed a technique that exponentially increases your ability to knock the ball out of the park in comfort. I'm not going to go into it because, well, that's why you take a bootcamp, but this was like a steroid shot to my Comfort game. I used to use a lot of advanced cold reads to get the girl wondering how I got inside her head and honestly, I will continue to use them. But they are gimmicky and sometimes a bit unreal...reeking of "player". This idea of how to turn their words into both DHVs and points of connection between the two of you is fucking powerful. Over the course of this weekend I saw more than few sets of big brown eyes glaze over, accompanied by the helpless "i'm playing with my hair and cocking my head sideways, why aren't you kissing me yet?" behavior. As Mr. M. put it at one hilarious point in the seminar, "My pickup brain just ejaculated"

And that it did. I read a review once that said "Beg, borrow, or steal the money to come to this bootcamp" and I gotta say, I second that completely. There are those points in your life where you realize things can never be the same as they were before. The Zurich bootcamp was, for all of us there i think, the beginning of the next stage.

Thanks to 5.0 and Mr. M for a fantastic experience.

miko99 · #7 12-03-2008, 12:53 PM

Im a normal guy. I had some dates, couple of girlfriends. But I didn’t have a structure in my “game”. It was kind of all instinctively and when I got a girl I had no idea why. Maybe they were just picking me?! I don’t know but I had to fix that. Well that s why I booked the Bootcamp.

1 Day
The bootcamp started 21.11 at 2 p.m. Unfortunately I couldn’t be there on time, I missed the first 2.5 hours, so I ll tell u from this point.
When I arrived Mr. M and 5.0 were going step by step through the basics. One of the most important parts for me was how to open sets. Altough it s a totally normal thing to talk to other people I’m often having a hard time with opening. Before the Bootcamp I always had to be in a really good mood or drunk to open sets with hot girls. But Mr. M & 5.0 helped me to fix it. They showed us what kind of openers exist, how and in what situation to use them and so on…After the 5 hours I was kind of tired but I couldn’t wait to try this new stuff in field.

1 Night
We were supposed to practice the opening, transitioning and get a feeling about how to consistently hook a set. Our first stop was in the News-Bar. It was kind of a warm up for us students to get into a talkative mood. In the beginning I was nervous. So 5.0 pushed me into couple of sets and watched me. After 2 approaches I totally lost my nervousness and it really started to be fun. After every set our instructors were giving us immediately a feedback and helped us to fix our sticking points.
We moved on to a wine bar where all of us opened some sets and were having fun. At around 1130 p.m. we moved to the Amber Club which is one of the top 5 clubs in Zurich. Mr. M opened a set with a direct opener and pulled me into the set as well. It was amazing how easy and naturally it seemed when he was talking to the girls. His body language, how he locked in, the way he was building attraction and so on… just amazing.
I started to realize that I’m talking to girls, having fun and I wasn’t drunk at all. A totally new experience for me.
It was really funny when I was talking to a girl 5.0 showed up and was giving me advices like
“hey our buddy marc just called, he told u to take her to the table and sit down” or “ hey John called me he said u should do more kino”…:-D . I had the chance to watch 5.0 and Mr. M in the field with some hot chicks. They have totally different styles but they are both amazing!!!!!

2 Day
The second day was more or less about attraction and qualification. They taught us a lot about DHV-Stories, false disqualifiers,negs,roll playing, games, kino escalation, teasing etc. I think all of the students already read a lot about this stuff but it s a huge difference if u just read it in a book or if u have two extremly talented and creative instructors like we did, who can give u a lot of good examples and advices how to use this stuff.
Last night I figured out that I was not always able to transition after opening. And for that case Mr. M taught us how to use and recognize “trigger words”. For me it is a great tool to feel in the gaps after opening which helped me so much later on in field. We were practicing this stuff with each other and our instructors.

2 Night
We were going to a lot of bars on the famous Langstrasse and ended up in the Basilica Bar. A nice bar with a lot of sets to approach.
Now we got a lot of material in our heads and were ready to open sets and use all the tools we got in the last 2 days. We were all opening sets and having a lot of fun. I asked Mr. M and 5.0 to open some demo-sets for me so I could just stand next to them and observe them. Again I can just say they kick ass! They were amazing!! while they were talking to the girl they turned around and explained me what they were doing or what they were going to do next and I was just standing next to them and watched. It was like in the movies.
After that I opened a set with two Italian girls and by using the trigger words I was able to fill up the conversational gabs that I had the night before. It made me much more confident and the rest worked out kind of without thinking.
When I was looking around I saw all the students in some sets and having fun conversations and make them laugh etc..
It was amazing to see how fast u can improve if u have such great guys like Mr.M and 5.0 coaching u. In just two days I learned more than the last couple of years!!!

3 Day
On Sunday we got the rest of the theory and Mr.M let us choose some extra topics. There is so much more I could write but I think its better to just go and do a Bootcamp with Mr.M and 5.0!!! I just can highly recommend them. They gonna fix your problems and they will help u to improve your skills so much in just 2 days. I can say that Mr. M and 5.0 are worth every single Swiss franc I paid ;-)!!