After literally two years of hesitation, at the age of 38, I finally bit the bullet and made the decision to spend the money and attend a bootcamp. After all, it is a decent chunk of change to plunk down on something that most people would consider frivolous at best. So going in, my biggest fear was that I was being suckered into nothing more than a really good marketing plan. Thankfully though, that wasn't the case.

Love System's instructors are truly top notch people. Not just at pick up. These are genuinely good human beings who take their job seriously, and that job is to help other guys improve themselves in an area of their lives that is intensely personal and very important to them. To me, this experience is not all that dissimilar to a person going to see a therapist in that one has to be able to trust the person they're seeking advice from, and these guys are trustworthy.

There were a ton of instructors at this bootcamp so that was really cool. Braddock and MrM led the thing with Kisser, Dahunter, Fivepointzero, and oops... there were four others as well but I don't have their names written down. This doesn't mean they weren't good or helpful, just that maybe this is a sign of the early onset of Alzheimers. At any rate, all the instructors contributed something of solid value all along the way.

Day 1

The first day was about approach and transition so there wasn't anything truly mindblowing or insightful. Just a lot of good openers and transition ideas that we put into practice that night. For me, opening and transition isn't all that hard to begin with but the practice of overcoming approach anxiety and actually just doing it was a good experience. I'm not a dance club kind of guy, it's not my cup of anything, but I know now that if I do find myself in that environment that I can function just fine. To put in a more bold context, I friggin' hate dance clubs, but I found out that I can approach the women in them and transition nicely due to what we learned in seminar on day 1.

Throughout the night the instructors were at our beck and call. If they were in the middle of their own set, we were welcome to come in and totally ruin it for them if we wanted. They were always available, great attitude, and lots of help. Solid night. What was especially helpful to me, more than anything else was truly embracing the idea that rejection from some strange chick in a nightclub is nothing to take personally or get down about.

There was a lot more to Day 1 than I'm writing about, but I'm not about to share my pages of notes with you.

Day 2

Reviewed the night before and went over sticking points which is something you can't get just from reading or watching DVD's.

Day 2 is the real meat of the program and I learned a lot. Again, the instructors were great at explaining the material even though there was a boatload of it. I have to think that there's a way to put some more material on Day 1 in order not to make the second day so heavy. I don't want to say that it was overwhelming, just that a better balance between the first and second day would be nice. On the other hand, some guys really struggle with O&T so I do understand the need to be able to accomodate everyone.

That night: started really well. An instructor helped me meet a girl that I will soon be sleeping with. I also met another girl that things went really well with too. And frankly, if I'd had more than 4 hours sleep from the night before, I'd probably have done a lot better. I was dragging. But this night was tough, at times a bloodbath for me. While I didn't get blown out of sets until very, very late the night before when I was using some really ballsy direct openers (and that was only twice out of 9 or 10), I ran into some ball busting club chicks on this night. This is where the skill of plowing comes into play.

Now, I don't want to overstate things, but for me, this is where seeing the instructors really work on sets makes the lights go on in your head and gives the bootcamps value. Seeing them turn what appears to be a vicious bitch into a relaxed, friendly woman was a real trip. This isn't to say that the instructors were able to open every single set but perfection isn't claimed anyway. I left the place burnt out and tired, but having learned a lot. Sarging really takes it out of you.

Day 3

Reviewed the night before and went over sticking points. Lots of helpful advice that will come in handy the next time I'm out.

We went over a lot more great information having to do with comfort, seduction, and female psychology. Really interesting stuff-again, some that I was pretty familiar with, some not, and some that I had a vague idea of but wasn't sure that was made clear. Like the prior days, this information is essential but I'm not writing the sequel to War and Peace here.

Savvoy showed up on Sunday, which was really cool. He spoke for a couple of hours, gave out some great information, and told some great stories. He then took us all out for a drink afterward and personally gave me some invaluable advice that's unique to my situation. I can't thank him enough for that.


The Instructors:

Braddock and Mr.M led the seminar and I can't say enough good things about them. Both are truly passionate about teaching this stuff and both are killers in the field. Any questions I had were answered to my satisfaction and the advice I got from them in the field was great and worked until I screwed it up or just ran into a buzzsaw of a bitch. I worked more with Braddock because his style is probably closer to my own natural style; but Mr.M has this style that is really cool to watch.

Dahunter: Really cool guy with a style that's scary-good. If you ever want to see the walking-talking definition of smooth, then see Dahunter in action. He lectured some too and gave out some great tips on body language.

Kisser: This guy picked up some cute little pierced up, tattooed chick crossing the street on Day 1. Super cool guy and someone I am going to sponge as much Day Game info off of as he'll give me.

Fivepointzero: Really great on reframing and some of the lines he has are fucking classics. Great comebacks, wit, and also (again) for just being a really cool and knowledgeable guy, Fivepointzero's the man.

The rest of the instructors were all really great guys too. I can remember all of their actual first names but I don't know if that's appropriate so I have to leave the instructor reviews at that. But I will say that at some point or another, I asked every single one of them for help and they all came through.

It was a great and at times, surreal experience. But was it worth the money? I guess time will tell. My initial feeling is if I follow through with what I learned and put out the effort, it will have been worth it. If I study my notes, ask questions, and practice, practice, practice, I don't see how I won't get better. But my personality is one where I can at times be less critical of things than I should because I have a deeply ingrained belief that things are up to me and no one else.

Can you learn the same things from all other available literature and personal experience instead of ponying up the cash for a bootcamp seminar? Maybe.

BUT: It's going to take you a really long time and you'll spin your wheels like a Yugo stuck in the mud when you could be having a much easier time of things. I also imagine it would take a certain kind of person (that I'm not) who's willing to fly blind through a lot of this shit and come out the other side successful. Some people realize pretty quickly what they're doing wrong but some don't. I think you're biggest sticking points are the ones you initially bring to the game so if you don't have any way of knowing what they are it could take who-knows-how-long to overcome it.

I would say that if you have the money and you're not experiencing the kind of success with women that you would like to be having, then go ahead and attend a bootcamp. I've always had the money but I finally swallowed my pride and went ahead and did it and I don't regret it. If you don't have the money, then just turn gay. Dudes are easy to pick up and that'll leave more women for the rest of us.

And finally, my fellow students: You guys are all douchebags.


Just kidding. I really liked everyone I met and I'll talk to you guys soon. We have some sargin' to do.

-Tony

What an amazing fucking weekend, to say the least.

I was introduced to the community about a year ago and pretty much immersed myself in it from day one. The problem was though, when going out to practice this stuff, I wasn't really getting the results I wanted. I'd get a few numbers here and there, but never an f-close, or anything even close. Being a fireman in L.A., one would think girls would be flocking to me. Sadly, that's not the case.

I wanted results. I wanted to know why the stuff I was doing wasn't getting the results I had hoped for. So I bit the bullet and forked over the money for a bootcamp. And, I'll start by saying right now that for the money spent, it is, by far, the best product that I have ever received.

First, the instructors...

Mr. M - He has a method about his game that is out of this world. He's able to plow like no one's business and can disqualify like a fucking mad man. I watched as he DQ'd this one cockblock, and in a span of 5 minutes, she would not leave his side, even though he was trying his hardest to eject. I worked with him the most while in field and can relate to him the most because he has a more low-energy type game like I do. I can remember one set where he came in and winged me, and let me tell you, what a brave wingman, because this obstacle was a fucking whale. While I escalated the fuck out of the target, he worked his magic on the whale. Much props.

Braddock - A phenomenal intructor. He is the epitome of high energy game. He has a very solid understanding of game, is very passionate about it, and is able to convey that to the students with ease. He's able to quickly identify sticking points and help you overcome them. During the class sessions, he would always make sure we understood the material and wouldn't move on until we got it, even if it meant going over time. During the in-field portion, he rarely demo'd any sets for us. Instead, he was pushing us into sets and giving feedback as needed. There were plenty of other instructors to demo sets for us.

Dax - Dax has some sick natural game. He has absolutely zero AA and can open like no one else. He offered some great advice.

5.0 - Offered great feedback on body language and how to carry yourself while in field in order to build value.

Dahunter - In the short time that I was able to work with him, he gave some awesome feedback in the sets I was in.

Prestige - I didn't get to work with Prestige that much, but he was very helpful and offered great feedback.

Kisser - Super knowledgable and also has a very solid understanding of game. I didn't get to work with him too much.

And, finally...

Savoy - The Jedi Master himself. Savoy came in on day 3 for the final few hours of the seminar to talk about female psychology and sexuality and also to cover seduction. It's obvious he knows his shit. Afterwards, he took us all out to a bar for drinks which was really cool.

If you're thinking about taking a bootcamp, then stop thinking, and just fucking do it. Any issues and sticking points you have with your game will be taken care of. You're not going to get good over one weekend, but with practice, your game will improve by leaps and bounds. I can already feel the potential. Like Savoy told us in the end - we've just been injected with steroids, but they're not going to do shit unless we actually go out and practice.

I just wanted to drop my few cents, even though I didn't take the bootcamp.

On saturday night as I was walking down a busy blvd, I see Braddock outside of a club with other instructors and bootcamp students. I recognized him from the Superconference so I greet him. He's being very nice and genuine, we had a short talk and wished each other a good night.

Later that night when me and my wings left the club, I recognize Mr M outside of the club. Then I see some other people that I recognzed, such as Kisser, Helifax(?), and Prestige. Me and Prestige talked for a bit how I don't like LA girls that much, but he loves them Then this British guy comes in and he reminds me of Justin Timberlake. It's 5.0 and just by talking to him I could tell he's money. You can read more about him on Braddock's blog.

Overall, I can say that the instructors were very friendly and approachable outside of the club. Good to see that!

For the students, I hope you guys had a great time! Savoy talked at the socallair on female psychology and that helped me out a lot. I hope it did the same for you guys.

Too bad I didn't see dahunter, I like his game from what I saw in Vegas!

Just attended the LA Bootcamp and thought I would throw in a few observations and what it did for me.

Background - I'm 50 years old, was married for 10 years and have been single for the last 5 years. I'm successful, have my life together, and generally have no problem meeting women. The problem is, if you've ever looked at the women 30 to 50 years old on a dating website, that it is a dating nightmare. I was having trouble busting into the category of woman that I wanted in my life. Seducing a 45 yr. divorce with 3 kids looking for their next "daddy" was easy, but not my cup of tea.

When I have a problem in my life, I fix it. Not just patch it and hope it holds, I mean fix it. That philosophy has let me lead a fulfilling life, it is just solid inner game. So when I found out about the community around the first of the year, I realized that this was a way of fixing a problem, not just patching it. I called Jeremy and had a long talk about what kind of coaching I should have. I was reluctant to go to a bootcamp because they appeared to be geared to a younger guy and LA nightclubs full of bitchy wannabe actresses are not my thing. But after talking with Jeremy about my needs, he convinced me that they could and would put me at ease in that environment, and since a nightclub is the most brutal environment in LA everything else would be easy.

So, were they able to put a 50 year old at ease in an LA nightclub? Absophuckinglutely! Unreal to experience in person. Sure, I got blown out a lot, but I also opened a lot of sets and held them far past my expectations. Nothing better than opening a mixed set and ripping a couple of 9's from a young barfly and just watching the disbelief fall over his face as an old guy walks off with his set.

Now that you know it works, even for an older guy, how were the sessions?

Well, I won't go into excruciating detail, but let me put it this way. Braddock opened the day, and if you haven't met him, let me tell you this guy teaches like he is severely A-D-D and late for a train. Five minutes into the first day I was thinking of excusing myself, going to the pharmacy next door and begging for some Ritalin. But by 15 minutes into it I was taking notes faster than I could write and glad he was talking like he was on fire. He crammed three times the material into every hour that mere mortal public speakers could cover. Not only that, the material was gold. He hits the topic, explains the concept, tells us where we will stall (cause he's seen it a 1000 times) and then arms us with a ton of techniques to get us unstuck. It's like going into a strange town, anyone can read a freeway map and understand how to get from A to B, but being in the field is like getting on that freeway and finding it blocked. You have to be armed with "Side street" knowledge that only comes from someone with experience.

Our other classroom instructor was Mr. M. For those of you, like me, who thought you would be coming to a seminar where these young instructors were good at Pick-up but not that accomplished with the rest of their life, forget it. This guy has all the goods. I will say this about the material covered. When looking at the progression model; Opening, Attraction, Comfort and Seduction are obvious steps. To me, Qualifying is the secret step that most naturals are painfully unaware. Looking back, this one concept has caused me to loose more woman than I care to imagine. Have you ever gotten the "Why are you interested in me?" question? When it comes to Qualifying, Mr. M is the master. This one concept can give you control over ALL your social interactions, not just pick-up. His lecture on qualifying was the most important mind opening thing I heard.

A quick story from Night One. Around midnight I had isolated a real cute blond doctor just starting hear residency in LA as an eye surgeon. This was the kind of woman I am interested in and seeing how well the concepts worked was amazing. After about 20 minutes I bailed because I was there to open sets, not concentrate on any one woman. This was all about Practice, Practice, Practice. As I made my way to the restroom I was trying to pick out which set I was going to open next. I made my way through the back of the nightclub and there wasn't a single good set to open. There was a complete lack of women in the place. I was in the restroom actually bummed that the night had petered out so quickly. I then made my way to the front bar where I knew everyone was hanging out and when I turned the corner the most amazing view came into sight. Every available woman in the club was packed around the front bar and all of the students and instructors were running this pack of women like a well oiled machine. I would never have believed it if I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes. I went right up to the first set I came to and before I could open the girls asked me "Are you with these guys? Your friends are SO funny!" How can I practice opening when the sets are opening themselves? So I spent the next two hours winging set after set. Every time I winged a set I ended up having a question. Since there were instructors everywhere it was easy to get instant feedback and just plow back in and wing another set with what I had just learned. Half a night of opening, half a night of winging. Priceless.

On night two I got a call that a wildfire had broken out in the canyon where I lived and my house was in the evacuation zone so I had to bail. I also missed Day Three but will make it up during the next LA bootcamp. And this is where the title of this post comes into play.

The next day I'm in front of my house and there are firemen from all over LA pouring out of trucks and manning the fire line. Up comes this woman who I have seen once or twice before but have never gotten a chance to talk to. A solid 10 in her early 30's. I walk right over to her and open with ease. Turns out she is an ex pro football cheerleader and now a stunt woman. Now is where it gets good. It's obvious she's there to check out all of the fireman so I start introducing her to everyone she seems interested in and running my routines like mad. I'm starting to get nervous so excuse myself and go into my house and pull out my notes from the past two days. I've got pages and pages of routines and great information at my fingertips. I start at the beginning, study a page, then walk outside and run that page on her. I then excuse myself for a minute, walk back inside, study a page and go back out and execute. This goes on for two hours and by the time I'm done she is completely locked into me as if the firemen don’t even exist.
We exchange numbers and the next morning she calls me to meet up later. Those notes were priceless and got me through every stumbling block there was, and believe me she threw them at me like a machine gun. So if you go to a bootcamp, copy EVERYTHING down like mad, it just might come in handy and in my case, in less than 24 hours!

I know this has been a long post but I have to end by giving out kudos to all the instructors. The range of instructors was amazing and it was easy to find an instructor who had a style that was easy to emulate.

Braddock and Mr. M; amazing time and thanks for taking the time to really maximize the two days we spent together.

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Cabriolet - Nothing like driving a fast coupe with a top that comes down easily...

Hey Cabriolet! We missed you and were wondering if everything was okay with your house. So is it? Actually, I'll assume it is because I'm sure you would have mentioned your home burning to the ground. And way to go with the ex-cheerleader, that's awesome. Stay in touch.

-Tony

LoL... thanks for the advice

Hey guys

What a tremendous bootcamp!

Thanks for all your kind words - I'm glad you all progressed so much.

Haha - I remember that. Toughest set I've ever done (playmate, models, 7ft blondes etc etc included lol). WOW. Keeping her off me was tough... and when I tried to pass her off to [can't say the students name on the forum], he laughed and ran away. How funny was that!! LOL.

Timecop - you have a very noble profession and are an awesome guy who comes accross as having a strong inner dialogue. I sensed a solid inner game - just a little practice on the outer game and you will be there. Keep it up and keep pushing and you will get there.

Insolent Bastard - Awesome hanging out with you. You're explosive in field. All you need is a little more practice to get you better, but in my mind, you are almost there!

Cabriolet - I just emailed you but it was fantastic for me meeting someone as accomplished as you. You deserve all the success with women that you can get. Good luck with the ash cleaning!

SirSlick - LOL! Great seeing you again and thanks for the review even though you werent there :P

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Mr M
Director of Love Systems Europe

Ranked as One of the Top 10 Pick Up Artists in the World by TSB Magazine

ABOUT MR M: MY STORY - HOW A VIRGIN AT 20 BECAME ONE OF THE TOP 10 PICK UP ARTISTS IN THE WORLD

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED READING TO IMPROVE YOUR ABILITY WITH WOMEN:

• How to Pick Up A Celebrity Playboy Playmate - field report
• The Basis of Natural Game
• The Definitive Guide to Attraction
• The Definitive Guide to Qualification
• ACHIEVING SOCIAL DOMINANCE: How To Become The Alpha Male In Social Situations
• The Truth Behind Using Routines
• Revealing the Social Matrix Part 1: The Structure of Your Social Life
• Revealing the Social Matrix Part 2: The Hidden Method for Social Circle Pick Ups
• DaHunter's Guide to Social Circle Game
• Inner Game - The Secret of Attractive Reactiveness

Imagine being 21 years old and sarging in a LA bar for one of the first times in your life. Shoulders tense, butterflies in the stomach, approach anxiety running high. Enter your newly minted ex-girlfriend of two years. Fuck. Questions start racing through your head. Who the hell is she dancing with? Will she see me crash and burn in set? What if she finds out that I'm taking a bootcamp and tells all my friends?

Is this going to be the worst night of my life?

Same night, fast-forward to me being socially proofed by 20 ppl from BC, doing a make out, entertaining multiple sets of women, and just having a blast.

That's the beginning of my story, but there were many other memorable moments during bootcamp that will stay with me. I will use them as Braddock says, "experienced frames of reference." I saw the masters work in-field and by doing so my self-concept (belief in my true ability) expanded. For me this was key, because a strong self-concept gives me the confidence to open more sets, push sets further, and pull the trigger For example, one of my sticking points was keeping good eye contact and body language. On the second night, within 15 seconds of meeting a taller woman I had her comply by grabbing her, spinning her around, and having her stand on some steps below me. Once we were eye level, I pulled her body into mine and stared her down like a wolf. I could only do these things in my expanded self-concept, the old me couldn't see past polite conversation at a friendly distance.

Make no mistake PU is a learned skill (naturals learn from family or friends) and at BC I let go of "external pillars of self-confidence" like looks and shiny things to attract women. I am happy that Braddock and Mr M cover the importance of inner game, because it is the foundation of PU. Good inner game makes it easier for me to recognize the themes in stock routines and just improv attractive conversation. I can tell that both Braddock and Mr M have done a lot of research and reading on inner game, because they were continually referencing different authors and books on psychology. Some of which I am reading now to improve even more.

For me, the biggest question before bootcamp was how much time and energy it would save me from learning on my own. I've known about the game for quite awhile, but never taken the plunge of sarging and doing FRs. At bootcamp the personal feedback from instructors in field to debriefs the next day are invaluable for working through individual sticking points quickly. It might have take me months to learn that my eye contact twitches to the side whenever I am nervous, because strangers are not going to point this out. Fivepointzero noticed my tense shoulders, deep breathing and chest rising before I jumped in a set. Picking up on subtleties that subcommunicate lower value is very difficult to do alone but the experienced instructors at bootcamp were able to identify and help me overcome my problem areas.

It would take me a long time just to write out all the important topics covered during bootcamp. But, having read Magic Bullets I will say that it is definitely way more than a read through of the ebook. Personal anecdotes from all the instructors, advanced twists on basic material, and unique routines are some of the benefits in taking the seminar. Our particular bootcamp in Los Angeles was blessed with an abundance of guest stars, as well as, the leading roles:

Mr M: Calm, analytical personality really resonated with me. Very obvious that he is thinking about the game on the highest levels from interpersonal relationships to new takes on the important phases of seduction (qualification anyone?). I think it's interesting that the Asian bootcampers had similar sticking points and Mr M was able to identify and step us through them. I really owe this man for doing a 180 flip on the turn of events during the second night when my ex-GF showed up. I went to him with my situation and thinking quickly on his feet he decided that I could channel my emotions toward PU and benefit from the experience. If anything, he illustrated the value of social proof not only to game girls, but as a way to convey value when you need to.

Braddock: This guy talks way too fast But, seriously Braddock's excitement and energy for PU and teaching PU is inspiring. His personal journey with game, especially inner game, is similar to mine. It was great to have an instructor who could relate to my personal situation and changing lifestyle, because the anecdotes and stories during seminar felt very relevant and memorable.

5.0: Worked with me a lot, especially on the first night -- my toughest day. Has an abundance of wit and charm, but the cool thing (from a students' perspective) is that he can explain how he does it and his fun characteristics seemed to even rub off on me. He taught me that it's good to have certain canned items under my belt, but it's not difficult to set a flirty/entertaining vibe without memorizing everything. He communicates a strong interest in seeing student improvement. Can't wait to hear that he's become an official instructor.

Dax(x): Natural pimp. You bastard Doesn't seem to need material, but I learned a few things just from watching his interactions with women. Won't forgot the breathing exercises and arm twist opener.

Helixcase: Approach monster. Saw him grab a random girl by the elbow, stare her down, and watched has she grew DDB eyes. Students can learn a lot about not being outcome dependent, eye contact, and body language from him. I can relate with him, because he has a wholesome guy appearance and knows to calibrate for that. In fact, this made me appreciate my style more, because we can get away with a lot more sexual escalation.

Kisser: First night out he's whispering the exact things to say while I'm doing a one set. Weird experience, felt like a human puppet, but helpful in getting over AA first few sets in. He had me running qualification within the first couple minutes, which at the time, I thought was too bold. But, he pointed out that I was getting IOIs and attraction a lot earlier than I was aware of. I now routinely try and qualify earlier than I feel like and get compliance a high percentage of the time. Can't wait to see him as an official instructor as well.

Savoy: Really appreciated him coming in on the last day. It was almost poetic having the CEO come in at the end (even though he doesn't usually speak at BCs anymore) and how he wrapped up the seminar on seduction, female psychology, and how to continue improving. Generous with his time and receptive to student questions about game and beyond. In fact, all the instructors were very open and friendly to all my inquiries.

Thanks to Prestige and DaHunter, too!


To people on the fence and future bootcampers:

-Take your notes on a laptop, info. comes fast and furious. I wish I had brought mine.

-In-field focus on sets and don't worry if an instructor is watching. They're not going to be able to see every set you're in and sometimes there just isn't any constructive feedback for that particular set anyway. The more sets you hit, the higher chance you'll get useful feedback. The exception to this point is if you're interested in a particular instructor's technique, then it's best to get they're attention and tell them what you'd like to learn/adapt about their game. For example, I followed Helixcase for awhile because I wanted to learn how he opened.

-Bootcamp is a great place to make new friends and find a wing. As opposed to the finding one online, sometimes it can be difficult to find a good match. At bootcamp, everyone has about the same excitement/experience with the game and eager to go sarging.

-I am not a PUA after taking bootcamp, but I am on an accelerated path toward becoming one now. I still plan on going out 3-4 nights a week for 4 hours, debriefing my outings, and keeping a journal. I just thought of a horribly unrelated analogy: The instructors at BC teach you how to swim. They show you the proper stroke, when to breath, and how to kick, but you don't become a good swimmer in one weekend. On the other hand, without bootcamp you're learning how to stroke, breath, and kick from reading books and without feedback. It's possible to learn how to swim on your own, but it's certainly requires more effort.

we had a HUGE group, hopefully evernyone got enough face time.

MR. M
&
BRADDOCK

This was an intense line up of instructors, and I learn so much every bootcamp from them. Nothing can compare to the learning experience of the Vegas Super Conference, but this was getting there.

To everyone on this post, and those MIA give yourselves a huge pat on the back, this was one of the best times I've had with you guys. LA is a blast, the girls are great, the vibe is fun, and there are SOO many venues. I was having premonitions of getting called out, being that LA is the setting of "The Game", but NOPE, NOT ONCE.

I met an amazing young lady from Atlanta, one from Chicago, and one from Orange county and managed to make plans to hang out with all of them again. Although I think the Chicago girl may actually be an escort (happens more than you'd think) let's see. Pulled her from rich ass guys, not sexually inhibited, GIANT fake tits, and she is "on vacation" in a differnt city every weekend? hmmmmmmm. Or maybe she is a rouge pickup instructor.

Thank again guys, and feel free to PM me with any questions, comments, or clarification on anything I mentioned.

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Upcoming bootcamps Where I will be instructing

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MM Review

Hey guys,

This is a long overdue review of the the 25 April LA Bootcamp I did with Braddock and Mr M as lead instructors. It’s awesome writing it as it has bought back all the memories of the weekend and the points I learned, so I hope it helps some of you on deciding whether or not to do a BC too. Apologies to the instructors for taking so long to get this out! It’s long too, email me if you want the hard-cover bound edition

Quick background on me:

I’m 32, have been reading about gaming since February, and going out properly using the methods since March I guess. I read a bit of MM beforehand, and bits and pieces from David D and Mehow. Basically I stumbled upon all of this because I was SICK of the way that AA, and just being a total pussy and nice guy around women, was controlling my life. I had been with a few girls, slept with 50-odd, never had big problems ending up with sleeping with them etc – but I would be chosen by the girl if you know what I mean and a lot was through university social circle and since then it was not great. I wanted to work on developing skills that allow me to become the chooser of women and get 8's upwards. And have the skills so, when I find a girl I like, I'm not looking over my shoulder the whole time and can be the a man and be solid in myself so I can keep her and give her an exciting time with me etc etc. I have blown relationships before by my low self-esteem puncturing it to pieces.

So I mucked around researching various bootcamp option, and then more time wondering about shelling out the cash, and then just did it. I chose the LA bootcamp because Mr M and Braddock were leading it (I had heard good things and I liked Braddock's blog) and because I had a good feeling about LA and the hot chicks there. I thought learning on hotties is good, as it would be desensitizing.

Pre-BC wonderment:

I'll just say this now – I know I weighed up spending 3 grand for a while, but if you look at it, guys spend money like it is going out of fashion on stuff like booze and ciggies and dates etc etc. Save a bit/lot of this depending on your financial situation and use it for a bootcamp. Get another job for a while, whatever. If anyone is interested in girls and more importantly personal development as a man, then they have the awareness and brains to pull 3k from somewhere (legal…no bank heists). This is so life-changing, that I can't believe people complain about not getting chicks, but can't knuckle down and save the cash to do something about it. So - no brainer on the cash side guys.

I was wondering what the instructors would be like. I had a small part of me that was worried they would be douchebags and sleazy characters. Haha. I couldn’t have been more wrong. When arrived at the seminar I met Mr M and two guys he had bought out from the UK with him, Dax and 5.0. What struck me first was how chilled and cool they all were, like guys I would want to hang out with. Braddock was the same (I was kind of scared of meeting Braddock, as from his blog sounded full-on!). The same could be said for the fellow bootcamp guys – all really chill and nice characters from all walks of life and all ages.

DOWN TO BUSINESS

Day 1

As you all know, Day 1 covers opening and transitioning. Braddock and Mr M started talking generally about the psychology of game, and then moved into the nuts and bolts. I won't go into what is covered because that is well known, but one thing a lot of guys ask is "doesn't it just cover magic bullets?". Yes it does. But it goes WAY deeper – personal anecdotes and perceptions on the material from instructors make it a far deeper experience than merely reading MB. Take notes! I took about 40 pages over the few days, all a treasure chest of information that I refer to each few days now until it becomes part of me.

The day flew by, and we chose a couple of standard openers to roll with that night. I was very skeptical of openers and routines, but I have changed my tune now - I have got to say it is key for a beginner like me as my AA takes up so much of my energy that it is good to just have some stock artillery to pull out, and concentrate on other things like slowing my voice down and body language, sub comms etc etc. That night we were to go to a club that one of the students hooked us up with. Solid. I dashed home for a quick rest and power nap as I had flown in from the UK the night before and was feeling in limbo. We arrived at the club and because we had a big group, it was hilarious all standing in the car-park looking ready for stealth operations. I was surprised we all got in! I was pretty nervous.

Once inside I was chatting to Dahunter (this guy is SICK), and he asked me to open this 4 set. I did and hooked initially, then sort of just drifted into chit-chat/friends mode (my specialty). Dahunter was able to pick up what I did wrong straight away. He goes "watch me open these girls" and just goes over to two hotties and starts talking. This was the first time that I saw the power of game, and how good the instructors really are. I watched – the girls looked pretty uninterested at first, in fact I thought they looked a bit annoyed. Within a minute or so their body language changed and they looked VERY interested in him, in fact after a few more minutes they looked too interested, and they were kind of clawing at him!

The night went on like this and I must have opened about 20 sets – the most cold sets in my life I think. I got blown out of a lot, but some others hooked. The instructors just kept pushing me into sets relentlessly. I worked with them all really but mostly Dahunter. They were great at giving immediate feedback on the set, and ideas for openers (occasionally I would freeze up), winging etc etc. One of the massive things was observing how the instructors operate in the field themselves – this is the stuff that expands your reality and makes you begin to re-think your beliefs, well it did for me anyway.

The other thing for me was not feeling like a creep, and actually having the opener hook and the girls looking at me like…what will he do next?? I got two numbers, one of which was right at the end, a really cute girl from Nashville in a grey skirt. I would never have talked to her but for having confidence form the other girls I had approached that night. The other big thing for me was not drinking much – I use alcohol as a crutch so I Iimited it to 2 beers that night so I could see exactly what was happening, and I could be in the moment as much as possible.

When I left, I met two Russian girls outside the club I had opened earlier in the night that bought us shots (they were not hot, but they were cool). They took me for a spin in their restored stone cold pimping 68’ Mustang and gave me a lift home! Sweet end to a sweet night. Actually I also number closed a cute Asian girl in the car park after I shared a hotdog with her, should have K-Closed. Saw Braddock roll by with a blond hottie!

NB – All the instructors that I saw pulled on the fits night I think, was that right guys? To see them in the field was awesome.


Day 2

Attraction and Qualification. Again everyone knows what the material generally is that is covered here. We had a debrief from the night before, where each guy gives a rundown of his night. I This was surprisingly good, as it bought up a lot of points which MR M and Braddock addressed therefore giving a real-life scenario as the working example to us all. Nice.

Dahunter was first up and he took us through kino escalation, sexual vibe and disqualification. He is the master of sexual escalation (and I had seen with my eyes the night before) – this was a one of the BIG areas I needed to work on as so much of my life with girls has been about the LJBF zone. It was really helpful seeing things explained, and live demos given on what he was talking about (kino, push-pull etc etc). I find this way of learning far better than just listening and taking notes.

Braddock then talked about Attraction and attraction switches, and we went over some routines and generating attraction. MR M talked on Qualification (he is the master at this) and Advanced Qualification. Braddock finished with Comfort.

I thought the instructors all worked well together with speaking each one chipping in bits there and there even when it wasn’t their section – so we were getting different perspectives and no stone was left unturned.

That night we headed out to a bar for a quick beer, then round to a club close by. The set-out was a bit more expansive than the night before, with a dance floor and then another bar at the back which was chilled and had an area to sit down. Even though I was still having some stutters on opening and building attraction, my aim for the night was sexual escalation – trying to mirror what Dahunter had taught us that day. I didn’t concentrate on qualification a whole lot, not to say I didn’t think it was important, it’s just that there’s only so much stuff one can keep in mind without becoming too mechanical and losing spontaneity.

The night went well and I had three make-outs. Dahunter and I have similar taste is girls I think, as I saw his disappearing with the girl in the red dress I had kissed earlier. So technically Dahunter has kissed me, haha.

Worth pulling out a story here: I went and talked to a girl sitting by herself, she was greek origin and really cute..and cool as it turned out. It was going well, and I was escalating well etc. Then one of her friends came over, talked to her to see if she was OK, and left. Good I thought. Then another one came over 15 mins later, a guy. I was introduced and I shook his hand blah blah blah. Anyway he did this big alpha male bone crunching handshake on me, and wouldn’t let go…he told me to fuck off or he would break my legs using kung fu! I don’t think the girl heard all of this. I just bottled, and said it was nice to meet them and walked off. I should have just called him on it in front of her but it really gave m a fright as I’m generally a pretty chill and friendly guy.

Anyway I saw Helicase, and told him what happened and asked how I could have dealt with it. He was awesome, sat me down, and had a chat. He asked me who the guy was, and he grabbed a couple of other guys and went over. Then… I see the MM guys dancing with the girl, and the guy looking angry…and then I see Helicase pretending to fuck angry bodyguard guy in the ass on the dancefoor!! One the funniest things I have seen. The guy looked like a dick, and the girl was rolling her eyes…he had crashed so badly. Helicase is a legend, just no fear!! That was really important for me to see.

Walking home and one of the guys from the bootcamp pulled over in his mint pick-up and gave me a lift, nice. Two lifts in 2 nights, I love LA.

Day 3

Again everyone knows the material here. During the debrief and on the back of my story to the guys on my run-in with angry bodyguard guy the night before, Braddock gave us some killer advice on AMOG’ing and breaking other guys state in these types of situations, this was super helpful to me and helped me look at what happened to me the night before in a new light and how I could deal with it next time.

Then…we had a treat. Savoy came along as a guest and gave us 3 hours of GOLD and anecdotes on female psychology, dating ( inc. some great stuff on state-breaks,) and seduction! If you have never seen Savoy, he looks like a laid back cowboy, pretty tall and quite stocky, totally not what I expected for the head of MM. Haha. He clearly is a BIG reservoir on dating science and walks the walk, and he is a really engaging speaker too. This was pretty damn cool I thought – the head guy coming along to lecture and talk to the students, so big ups to Savoy.

Kisser then said a few words on LMR and making out which were great,

So that wrapped it up. Savoy took us all to a bar around the road and shouted rinks, and we chatted about stuff dating and non-dating related, and played a crazy game that you put money into and these large claws come down and try to grab live lobsters! All very surreal. I told the waitress she was gorgeous on the way out – I saw Dax do it the night before, very directly with solid eye contact. I have done this before with AFC disastrous results, but this time after a weekend with these guys she was really into it, I could tell.

I left LA with a great feeling inside me, it was a special weekend.

ANALYSIS

Instructors

As Mr M said, this bootcamp turned out to be some kind of super bootcamp, with a lot of awesome instructors there. I was lucky! All of the instructors have awesome game, that’s a given, they just differ in style. But one was not better than the other.

Overall the seminar was very well executed, with LOADS of info and no fluff or filler at all. Even the breaks were strictly adhered to. I felt MR M and Braddock could have talked for days on game, and it wouldn’t have got boring and wouldn’t have gone round and circles. Braddock and Mr M emailed us a handout for the whole weekend too which was brilliant and packed full of some extra info too.

Braddock:

Braddock is a very self-aware guy, and very focused with solid inner game. You get the feeling nothing would stop him in his quest whatever it was. His vibe is high-energy fun and masculine and he is pretty good looking. In fact all of the instructors are above average looking or have some edge to them, but are just regular guys like you might see out at a bar. One thing is they all dress well in their own style. As I said, I Braddock might have been quite scary, but he’s not at all. He is totally passionate about this stuff and it really shows. I really resonated with his background. He wasn’t scared to share his stories and bad times and what he had done to help himself get to where he is today. It shows that he has read a lot, AND put what he has read into practice.

In the field he is fun and is awesome at vibing. I didn’t see him in-field as much as I would have liked, but this was down to him taking his instructors duties seriously – he was literally pushing guys into sets the whole time, analyzing them and giving them feedback, helping guys practice approach. On the second night I saw him and Dahunter with one of the students for a long time, just making him approach them again and again til he got it right. He is dedicated! And the sort of guy it’s feels good to be around.

Mr M:

Mr M is also very self aware, and focused, and colme across very laid back. He is pretty short, good looking but the short thing really threw me. As a teacher he is very smooth, and he is the same way with game. He has an air of mystery about him. It is clear he has studied this stuff intensely, and has come up with his own new tactics and methods too as a result of his field work. A very intelligent guy.

In the field his height is no issue at all. It’s like he just projects above that, and he carries himself very well. Hi speech is very slow and voice projection amazing. I didn’t see him in the field as much of I would have liked either, as again he was taming his lead instructor duties seriously. However I saw him hook into a very hot Asian on the second night who was way taller than him, and this took 5 minutes! He has a very solid frame.

Dahunter:

Dahunter is very laid back, cruisy guy who looks like a pretty normal latin guy with a slight edge. He kind of looks like he wouldn’t give a shit about teaching, but he is a very articulate teacher so don’t be fooled. His sexual vibe and sexual escalation stuff was GOLD and I’d recommend anyone struggling in this area to read his stuff and try to get on bootcamp with him, he really blew me away with this aspect of game.

In the field, he is smooth and sexual. To watch him it almost looks like he isn’t doing anything, like he hardly moves at all – to see it, it is very different to Braddock’s high energy and playful style. When I first saw him talking to girls I was like…’he’s not doing anything’. But then girls would then be very interested in him.

Helicase:

Helicase looks like a conservative normal guy. He didn’t dress at all edgy, just smart. He is average looking but again has that something about him which girls would call the x-factor.

In the field he was a super-direct and a master of eye-contact. As I said, he has zero-fear! Some of the shit he was saying was hilarious and I was amazed he was getting away with it i.e. overly sexual stuff. His voice projection is really good and he just controls the situation. He has a very masculine vibe.

Kisser:

Kisser was the newest of the instructors and probably the least PUA looking guy (whatever they are supposed to look like!). He has a really happy-go-lucky vibe that comes way under the radar. A super nice guy.

In the field he was a lot of fun, and a great instructor and wing. I did quite a few sets with him and he was just adding value and giving the girls a good time, always looking out for his students. Cool snakeskin boots too bro!

Prestige:

I didn’t get to work with Prestige. He came across as having a very strong vibe, he is a really big buff guy. He wasn’t a big talker and seemed to do his thing with his strong presence.

5.0:

5.0 is nearly an instructor I think. He has awesome game! He is a magician as well so has this kind of cheeky vibe going, very high-energy and fun too with and lots of humour. He was on fire the second night and was able to hold bigger groups of girls, in fact I would say he was the best at this at the bootcamp.

In field he was awesome. He had this casanova thing going on, I don’t know what it was. And the girls loved it too. He has a really strong identity too and that came across.

Dax:
Mr M bought Dax over from the UK as an approach coach. He is not an instructor and has not trained so to speak, I think, but one of the best naturals that Mr M has ever seen. To be fair he could also be in a boy band! Pretty good looking dude. Super nice guy, very cool. His vibe was similar to 5.0’s but a little more direct perhaps.

Dax was a really good coach and really helpful. Being round him and 5.0 I felt like I was being energized and it was hard to not get caught up in their reality (a key way to be, so we were told during the seminar).

Just to say too; hearing all the instructors stories, they all used to be average with women and this attractive presence they now have this is something they have ALL created and worked at developing(except for Dax maybe!).


Conclusion

Insane weekend and a pivotal point in my life! I don’t say this flippantly either and I am not talking it up.

If you are serious about getting better at, and working on your interaction with girls, and on working on your own personal development, then do a Bootcamp. It’s not a magic bullet, but it gives you a framework to go with and work on, a toolkit. It also has the potential to expand your reality of what is possible with women and generally what is possible with social interaction, as it really blew my reality in this sense. I could have slowly learnt this over a long time maybe, but I feel this shaved maybe a year off in my own field time of messing about. And as I said, seeing live demo’s is completely different to reading about it.

Even to guys with ambitions of finding a girl for a LTR, or those in one that isn’t going well – this would be great. I mean that because we are learning to be an attractive man. It’s not just about picking up girls, in fact, Braddock talks about being outcome dependant when talking to girls and just having fun for funs sake. You can only have fun if you have a solid reality and are in touch with yourself as a guy and a human being. People in relationships will carp on about “oh, but we are in love, and we have a ‘special’ connection…”. True sometimes, but this ‘connection’ with a girl can be built if you don’t have it, or if you think you have one, it can be bettered (in my honest opinion, I could be off the mark with this). That’s why this stuff is helpful no matter where you are at with girls…unless you are a total natural and are very attractive, possible, but not many guys are like this I’d say, and not ones that are reading this. As Dax said, game has made him a better person.

Cons? Trying to think of some to give this a balanced review… I guess the main one would be that because we had a big group, there wasn’t as much personal time with instructors as I would have liked. That said, you temper this with actually having to get on the field yourself and do the stuff, rather than talking to instructors all night. There is so much to take in. But every time I needed a wing, I would just grab one of them and they would be there, so in that sense I was not left to fend for myself at all. Having lots of guys is the nature of a bootcamp and I knew this going in – I have teed up a 1-on-1 to work on certain personal things very soon.

I also came away from the weekend with lots of personal milestones, as I get social AA quite bad sometimes. It was cool just being around guys with solid frame and identity, and to hear what is possible. I have been working on myself for a few years now and know I am on the right path and that there are other guys out there who have the same thinking and who have been through similar stuff and are trying to be better dudes – sounds cheesy but from where I come from I don’t see this often and the guys are very unaware. So that was pretty cool.

Peace,

Express.


EPILOGUE:

Something to add. When I was on the plane on the way to LA, there was two smoking blonde 19/20yo hotties (one and 8, one a 9) I saw in the queue for security. I flashed a smile at them, but my AA was at level 10 so I just kept listening to my iPod. Then, later on, they came and sat by behind me in the sushi place! Again, I didn't open. Then…while I was in the departure lounge, they came and sat in front of me – they were on my flight! I was stoked. Anyway blah blah, I just said it was all a coincidence, which it could have been, and never spoke to the on the flight either, until I got to LA I saw them at the bag check and said something like "blah blah bah, they hooked but I was so tired, and was getting off..they were continuing to Tahiti where I am sure some guy would have smoked their asses. Anyway, I vowed to never do that again…

Fast-forward to Monday on my way back to London after Bootcamp. I am putting my bag in the overhead locker in the plane, and I felt like someone is pushing me. I spin around and a girls big bag is brushing me – she is a young Scandinavian looking blonde 8.5. I open her with 'are you carrying drugs in there?' and she laughs. Anyway, I say to myself that as soon as the captain takes the seatbelt lights off, I'll go and find her.

So I do…I go to the toilet and see she has a spare seat beside her, so on my way back I just sit down. I make false time constraint, tease her and her (grenade) mate about things and how they were bad for distracting me. They were Norwegian, the language thing meant it was tough going and some of my teasing confused them a bit. A few times they looked bemused, and they gave me quite a few shit tests like 'shouldn't you go back to your seat?' but the hotties body language didn't say this at all. I did what Mr.M said, and even though I wasn't in a club setting, just used what I had learnt and kept plowing, being un-reactive, disqualifying the hottie (you are so fidgety, we wouldn't get along, is she always like this?) bringing the grenade in, in fact playing some games (the lying game) with her. Thehottie kept trying to steal my attention and I slowly won her over. Anyway the grade falls asleep and I get into qualification on HB8.5 – wow that is powerful stuff!!

I had attraction as she was asking a lot about me. At one point I was saying I like girls with nice arms and legs, she showed me her legs, and I was touching them. I told her I couldn't see her arms, so she takes her shirt off for me! (she had little singlet on underneath). She said 'I can't believe I am taking my clothes off for you already!'. Qualified her on her music tastes and her academics (and nice ass, she got something out of the locker). Keeping an element of sexual vibe. She was playing with her hair hard out. Anyway move to comfort, we are quite close and I'm kino-ing her, holding her hand in the turbulence. Should have gone for the kiss when we were playing tongue games, but anyway. Facebook/email/number close (she lives in Norway) and we've been emailing, thinking about visiting me in London. This was big traction for me! I'll get some pics on the lounge.

Since then I have had, 4 lays, none would have possible without the BC. I need to go out more but do my best with my job etc. But compare me to before the BC and it’s a BIG change.