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The Don & Mr M Bootcamp - Stockholm, Mar 2008 (With Rokker)
Fresh review from Stockholm Bootacmp, will probably update in 1 month or so:
This is going to be long(which is what I wanted to read before I would pay $3,000) so for people with ADD(like me, haha) go down and just read the summary.
This stockholm bootcamp was headed by The Don and Mr. M .. Rokker was 3rd instructor and Thor was approach coach(I think, his feedback was just as good though)
I just finished my bootcamp and what a difference it has made(so far, I cant imagine how far I can go once iv'e been at this for 6 months or less)
I learned about the community about 1 month ago and before this bootcamp I had read MB , listened to some podcast, read the forums(quite extensively) and done nothing with that information.
I had huge approach anxiety especially doing cold approaches the “approaches” I had done where shit functional approaches(like 3 or 4 of them) so basically I was starting fresh.
You can read the set up of the seminar at TMM so ill just say that the information covered there is fucking extensive and even MB is “outdated” compared to what I got there, so The Game (book) must be ancient(I don't know as I haven't read it) the advantage of having 3 instructors and an approach coach there giving you lines, routines, how to's etc. Is fucking priceless. Take NOTES!
I bombarded them with questions and they answered every one of them even the stupid ones. The stories they told where funny and made you realize its possible to change. Mr. M 's story of having a girl in bed and not knowing what to do with her(before he was Mr. M ) had me laughing afterwards.
The debriefings are cool, everyone says how it went and the instructors give you feedback.
The seminar is definitely worth it but personally I don't think I would of done much with that info without the in-field experience.
Instructors: You would think that they would be these good looking guys super cocky and what not, not at all, aside from Rokker and Thor, who are good looking lol, Mr. M and The Don are just average looking guys, with amazing game, it really shows you its not how you look its how good you get at it. Theyre all humble and dont make you feel like shit for your dumb questions or retarded mistakes.
The Don : was lead with Mr. M , for good reason. The guy just presents stuff in a simple “you can do this shit to” way. He is very calm and relaxed. I think I could “mold” my game more after his because of how relaxed he is(at least that is what I got from the 1 set I saw him open). His talk on comfort and dates where very informative. Having him as one on one the first night was awesome because of how at ease he made me feel. Like I said I had HUGE AA, but he just had a confidence shield around him that I leached off when openeing, haha.
Mr. M .: Okay, when I saw Mr. M come in I said “no fucking way this guy gets laid so much” short asian guy with the good guy vibe. But watch him in field and its priceless. How he teaches the seminar is great and his examples off how he was the loser nice guy before where funny. Showed me how I can get good at this also. His method of teaching base theory first and then going into routines was very effective, you get to understand why the stuff works so you dont end up using stock routines(which he had a bunch) if you dont want to. His talk on disqualification was excellent. And you realize it after you mess up in field, how you do need to qualify . In field he is very high-energy and gets you to do shit, thats it. He gives you the rundown on what to do and pushes you in sets.
Rokker : Talked about kinoing(a once sticking point of his) and how important it is. Much like disqualification, imo if you don't do this your aren't going anywhere in your sets, maybe a #close at best. He also gave good routines and material he uses. Had a segment on day game which I wish was a bit longer because in Stockholm it sucks going out and seeing tons of hot chicks in the afternoon and not doing anything. This is something I want to master, lol. In field it was great to have him winging me, he saved a couple of sets for me, when he entered the set it gave me a feeling of “yes, this is going somewhere”, lol. Oh man, Sorry for ruining your sets, with my “winging ”.(my girl would just leave and take her friend). I think the winging talk should come on saturday instead of sunday, definitely would of helped me.lmao
Thor: Was in there as approach coach so gave just some input in the seminar . But In-Field it was great having him there, giving everyone feedback, opening a set I coudln't figure out how to open and showing us how you can get a #close in 15 minutes and then in 8 months of no contact it pays dividend. Never waste a chance to even #close! I am sure he will become an “instructor” if he is interested in doing that. I think I spent quite a bit more time with him than some of the other students and can say is feedback was just as good.
In-Field:
Friday: Firday night we went out to a club where we had a table, we got there early and the place was dead at that time so what the instructors decided to do was split up the group in 2(2 insturctors each group) and head out to bars. We couldn't get in a couple because of the age of some us(stockholm bars sometimes require you to be 24, 25 to enter) we ended up at a bar/lounge with good amount of people. Unfortunately one student couldn't get into the bar because of his age and went back to the club that left 2 students and 2 instructors, I got The Don 1on1, awesome deal for me lol. As I walk in I am pretty nervous, we head to the bar get a drink and The Don tells me your'e going to open the set behind you. I say okay, breathe deeply, go through all the things in my head(be loud, body language etc.) and go with my opener.
I hadnt even seen the set so when I turned around I see its a two set, my opener hooks which STUNNED me so much that I forgot how to transition I chit chat about the opener and then turn and head back. I tell The Don how I forgot my transition and he was cool about it, like “I know, but the opener hooked” or something like that. At that point I was glad I had done my first opener and it worked, to my own surprise. The Don gives me good feedback(i was relaxed and with good body language ) and some material to transition with and I ended up opening 2 more sets, a mixed set which again I forgot to transition, the funny thing about this set was how the guy said “bye” to me like 5 minutes after I had opened them, lol. The other sets where 2 a set who knew the story of the opener(its based on a real story) again it works and they look at me like waiting to continue the conversation, again I forget to transition, haha.
The truth is I was just happy to get over my AA that I didn't mind that much that I coudln't transition. I was also thinking so many things at the same time that I forgot the transition lines, haha.
Next I ask The Don to open a set, and he does with ease, his style(at least from that 1 demo that I saw) was very cool, the girls never even suspected he was gaming them, he was not high energy at that setting just really relaxed and laid back. In the meantime I was talking with Thor who got stepped on by a chick accidentally, he then pretended he was hurt and chit-chated the girl for a bit, ended with the girl saying your'e cute and kissing him on the cheek, lol. WTF!
Then we decide to head to the club. The club that day was way to fucking loud(seriously it was the loudest I had ever heard, and not just the dancefloor the whole place) and I started to lose my voice just by talking loud, not gaming. I chickened out a bunch of times from opening when I asked Thor to open a seated set that I passed by and didnt open, the girls actually saw us looking at them then talking then he goes in. In one minute he has both girls all over him(both stood up) trying to hear what he was saying, I was like WTF! He continues gaming for some minutes and introduces me. Where I proceeded to try a kino finger routine which I completely forgot and just made on the spot, lmao. Eventually I bored the girl I was talking to and she pulled her friend away to the dancefloor, lol. That was a common theme of the weekend, me and my awesome wingman skills butchering sets, haha.
After that I just looked at the other students and the instructors. After much pussying out I tell The Don I want to open a set, he tells me go in direct, its a 3 set, all HB 7(maybe, I forgot already, lol). I go in with a direct opener, the girl I opened blew me the fuck off, turned her face, and I thought, fuck it and just plowed with my regular opener, which hooked, all 3 in the set where engaged and trying to hear me but I started loosing my voice, and had to eject, too bad because I was confident I could of transition but they just couldn't hear me and I was talking as loud as I could.
I was too pussy to open more sets that night because my voice was going. I decided to watch the instructors in action(it was past 1, game time for them, haha) and Mr. M and Rokker had multiple sets going. I ended up leaving a bit before 2.
I ended up opening 4 sets, all hooked(one after a blow out) and was happy but disappointed with the night. My opener worked and my AA went from 100 to under 50 . But I felt I could of done much better.
Saturday:
In the seminar Mr. M gave me the 2 transitions I would use. This time how I felt about approaching was how I was felling about transitioning .
The Don was sick for this day and was out of the seminar and infield, too bad because I wanted him to give me feedback since he saw me the most the night before.
Although I wanted feedback from all instructors, cause am sure each one has different strong points and things they observe so at least I was going to get everyone to see me, which in retrospect I should of done the first night.
This night we go to a club around 10:30 again. This club at first was packed with fucking old people which I used as a opener. I opened a 3+ set with:
Me: “when do people under 50 start coming in”
Hb5: “We are under 50 ” (no shit)
Me: yeah that makes,4/5 of us..
I was just looking to warm up so talked for some minutes more, they actually worked for the company that brought the old people there, haha, Rokker came in and entertained the other half of the group, which ended up being like a group of 6 or 7(in total) and I exit gracefully.
The next set I open is a 2 set(i forgot the convo, lol):
me: opener
girls: bla
me: transition...
I continue on for like 2 minutes, then in comes Rokker
Rokker : “have you seen Michelle”. That is “code” for, do you need a wing , I forget what the correct answer is and say:
me: (a bit panicky) yes I need help (lol, this was right in front of the 2 girls, haha)
Rokker : DHV's me and we continue talking to the girls(friends for life, one is birthday girl) Rokker btw, carried and save the set after that, which I needed.
I exit on a high note after 5+ minutes, Rokker debriefs me telling me, to my surprise, that I did good and had IOI's but was not kinoing or qualifying.
Im happy because I transitioned succesfully.
6 set, all blondes(having realized this now I should of probably teased them about this in my convo, oh well, lol) 3 7's 1 8 and 2 6's. All fuckable.
Me: stock opener
girls: engaged, respond
me: half assed transition when I look at all of them and see I actually have the attention of 6 girls, there is no way in hell I am keeping this set engaged, I got intimidated, and walked away saying “thanks” WTF! Dumb dumb.
I was mad about this set, because I should of waited for a wing and then tried to open if I knew I coudlnt hold them, but shit there is no other way of learning so...
Funny thing is I forgot the faces of the girls and tried to reopen them later with the same opener, hahahahaha. So I guess this was my blowout for the night, lmao. I laughed it off and took a mental note “From now on, remember who the fuck you open!”.
I opened so many sets that night(12/13)successfully (expect the one I accidentally tried to reopen lmao) so ill just cut it “short” there.
I will just say this, I must be the worst wingman in the world, lol. Rokker had 2 sets open which I went into to wing and destroyed in less than two minutes by boring whoever I was talking too. Did this once to Thor as well and to some students, hahahaha. All with good intentions off course, I just didnt know what to do, now I do after todays seminar . Its just keeping it simple and entertaining.
That night continued with Mr. M guiding us through the place having us go direct, I had 2/3 sets where I could of number closed for sure but didn't pull the trigger. Im still bad at identifying IOI's, when I asked in the debrief today I got confirmation on the IOI's which my insta-analysis skills figured out 30 minutes after I had left the club.
Oh and watching the instructors in field is amazing, they opened some sets initially and just revisited a couple of times a night, just with things like teasing , it was impressive to watch. They all pulled that night off course, lol.
My game from 1st to second night improved immensely, I was opening with ease, approaching with ease, and got to my new sticking points , which I cant wait to work on.
So in summary:
Did I get laid, no. Number close, no. K-close, no. Was it worth the money? Fuck yeah, its not a magic bullet , but it is the red pill, it changes your whole perspective, bye bye oneitis, bye bye mopping over “the missed opportunity”, the blown sets etc. I now see girls in a club as girls(important, girls, not just one girl) I can actually get, not just girls I will creep out by staring at them the whole night.
Not only that it gives you the how to, I knew exactly what I did wrong yesterday and Mr. M had us seeing what other students where doing wrong and we could tell.
It is also FUCKING AWESOME going to chode central(clubs, bars etc.) and seeing how they all stare and never get the balls to open, like me until friday. I opened 15+ sets in two nights from 0 cold approaches my entire life. Had the chance to at least # close but its some pussiness I still have to shake off, I cant believe you can get a number so fast(now I do but didn't before). I also see the importance of kino escalation and qualifying, its a must or else the girl will think you are not interested in her. Kino is my huge sticking point and something I will work on every night.
Listen for all those not sure whether to take this. If you have big approach anxiety like I did, its a must. Even if you dont have AA like some students, its still so beneficial. I pretty much emptied my savings account on this, sacrificed a weekend of studying for finals, had to lie to a relative who came to visit as to why I coudln't take them out with me, lmao. It was worth it.
The only thing I would of liked to do was some practice approaches in the seminar just to get feedback before you go out because I was with information overload that night trying to put whatever I could in my phone, literally.
The instructor's where awesome even though I am sure I annoyed them with all my questions. Lol.
If I had the money I would do this weekend's London Bootcamp without hesitation. I know it will sound cheesy but it really is life-changing, it turns your perspective on women and yourself upside down. Girls don't reject you they reject your approach!
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Originally Posted by LGFUAD 
It cracks me up every time I hear this (and I'm beginning to hear this a lot for some reason). OK so I'm not brad pitt (or Jackie Chan) but I have two eyes, a nose and a mouth and a fetish for hot bitchy and blonde party girls OK!?!?!
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