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Old 11-13-2007, 02:40 AM
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Default Sheriff Bootcamp - Munich Germany, Nov 2007 (With Rokker)

Munich Bootcamp with Sheriff, Rokker and Sam (Stickler) Nov 9 - 11, 2007

*** THIS REPORT IS HAS NOT YET BEEN COMPLETED ****

I originally planned to do the BC report at the end of this week, but having just returned home from Munich I have been writing on this report during the entire train ride back, so I though why not just finish it, as long as the memories and impressions are still fresh. And I must say I'm clearly still on fire and have been gameing women as much as I could approach on this first new day in my after-BC-life.

Just to warn any reader: this is probably going to be a bit detailed and lengthy, but I will apply a structure to this entire text in order to make it as easily digestable as possible. Enjoy it! ;-)

The waypoints of this report will be:

1. Brief background where I'm coming from & how I got into all this
2. How I found TMM and why I chose the bootcamp
3. a quick description of the instructors
3. Day & night 1
4. Day & night 2
5. Day 3
6. After the BC & an unexpected lay
7. Some advice for those who are pondering to take a BC
8. It's a wrap!

... 8 single points to deal with in this report (hey, eight is a cool number...) - alrite, here we go!

My background story is in many ways different from the background of the standard nice guy, who grew up in a "regular" more-or-less-stable kind of family. With me it's different, and the detailed differences in this are quite painful, they involve some sad and depressing details, with many implications that I will not mention here. But the effects of all of this on my former pre-BC-self should clearly be familiar to some of you guys struggeling out there and - I hope - thus of some interest.

1. Where I'm coming from & how I got into all this

Let's put it this way: I grew up without any kind of real respectable male role model around me as a boy, I have never gotten to know my father, had to fight exhausting psychological wars to free myself of my loving but somehow difficult mother, grew up mostly being for myself as a child, not having that many friends and so on. I had somehow internalized, that life is hard and not much fun and that I would "make up" for all of this by absolutely fanatically pursuing my interests (among them music and swimming) without ever taking notice of my social needs and my demands of giving love and being loved. I think this was also my way of self-compensating for the lack of a proper father role model and a way of somehow punishing myself for existing and women for actually having born me into this world (I know this may sound a bit harsh, but that's how I see it in retrospect). I would describe myself as very loving and intense and absolutely dedicated: the first time I really fell in love and desperately started fighting for a woman was when I was 10 (yes, no kidding). And absolutely any attempts of mine in school to get the girls that I so desperately (often full of naive needines) craved for failed terribly each and every time, very often with me being ridiculed at by several people. I actively tried to fight for each of those girls as best as I could but I crashed again and again. Often my best friends would get those girls and I became some strange sort of almost-orbiter. This made me feel bitter deep down in my heart and this bitterness continue to pervade myself for almost 20 years (I'm 30 now).

As far as my skills in social interactions and are concerned, I was a total loser in school until I finally left home to study music in a different town, where I realized in a state of shock that I had no idea at all of how to have fun in social gatherings (I'm not kidding with this). At first I would panic in frenzy when I entered a partying venue (or when friends literally forced me to go to a party or a club), I would quickly leave in total despair after just 15 minutes and rather walk through the dark, cold and lonely streets of the city at night, or either stay and get utterly drunk as a total piece of social crap - or (it gets even better) go to the party and immediately lock myself up inside the bathroom only to leave my little "prison" when the party was finally over. I never was one of the cool guys, but eventually I did absorb some basic concepts of social interaction though, and this is where women finally started to enter my life at 20 (even though I lost my virginity in a brothel precisely on my 18th birthday because I just wanted to have it happen that way and I liked the test of courage: having to overcome my own fears of crossing the threshold at the entrance while the last minutes of my birthday were menacingly ticking away and I feared spoiling the plan).

Yet I never got the women I desired and I came to hate the fact that the women I did get (or who took me) were never the ones, to whom I was deeply attracted to. Finally god must have answered my lonely prayers, because I got together with a lovely and ambitious co-student - her being a pianist herself - and it seemed to me, that this was the real deal, that I had scored the super jackpot and got the perfect girl for myself, that was 5 years ago. Our LTR lasted for almost 3 years, when she suddenly (from my POV at that time) dumped me two years ago. At the same time other strikingly unfortunate incidents culminated in my life more or less around the time of this breakup. This wrecked me in many ways, e.g. I couldn't be musically creative anymore and my digestion totally got fucked up wich resulted in massive breakout of acne. I found myself totally on my own and in a state of utter despair. Thus, all of my childhood and schooltime experiences, along with my rather unsatisfying dating experiences while studying finally heavily wrecked my self-worth, my self-acceptance and, of course, my game (if I have ever had one at that point).

Since this breakup I deliberately avoided any kind of relationship, only settled for ONS, when they would present themselves to me. So this is where I come from.

2. How I found TMM and why I chose the bootcamp

It took me nearly an entire year to get myself refocused and my life into some state of organized manner out of which I could take some action to accept the idea that self-improvement was possible and that I could actually change myself to the better.

I first stumbled on the TMM-website during some strangely fortunate Day in June 2006. I got extremely curious and fired up when I started to realize what all of this was about, spending long nights reading and devouring forum posts and I immediately collected such posts into a personal text-only-database (current size: 199 MB), I read the VAH (I actually never really read "The Game", though) and started to experiment applying tiny little bits of TMM knowledge in the field, motivated out of some string disbelief. Not everything worked for me at that time, but I was totally amazed that e.g. many openers would actually have some positive effects or even work flawlessly in some cases. I also discovered some striking parallels between ancient Indian Vedic philosophy (which as always been a hobby of mine since my early childhood) and many of the TMM-core concepts, and this solidified my fascination for TMM even more.

About 1 year ago in October 2006 I then conciously decided, that I would prepare myself over the course of the upcoming 12 months until I felt that I could successfully take a TMM-bootcamp and not fail entirely in it. I have also read and seen most of David D's stuff, and some other material... but TMM, especially since Magic Bullets got released, for me has always been the absolute top. I think Zan's dating philosophy is also worth of respect and I like Ideagasms, especially since Stephane Hermon has actively connected the dots between dating science and ancient Indian metaphysics. Kudos to him for that.

Yet on the whole (and as far as details are concerned) TMM is the best. That's really how I feel about it. I am a subscriber to the interview series and I loved the concept of Breakthrough Comfort as soon as I'd first heard about it. I planned to take Future's NYC bootcamp at the end of September 2007 and to take the Breakthrough Comfort Seminar on the adjacent day. But due to complications in my own time planning it became obvious that I would not be able to attend the NYC bootcamp. I could only attend the Comfort seminar and I literally flew from Germany over to NYC just for that single day of seminar and let me tell you: I didn't regret it at all. It was there on Oct 1st when I saw and met some TMM instructors - Sinn and Future - for the very first time. Great guys! I was absolutely stunned by their knowledge, energy and commitment and when I left the seminar room I knew with out a doubt that I would definitely enjoy my bootcamp. Jeremy (bless him!) kindly rescheduled me for the Munich BC with Sheriff and Rokker and that's how I got to Munich, I even happened to stay at the same hotel as Sheriff and Sam, just a few doors away from the seminar room - cool!

3. A quick description of the instructors

Sheriff was the lead instructor on this. He is a cool, genuinely energized, honest, funny and extremely knowledgeable guy. And he is a talented teacher, he is getting the knowlegde across the table in a very structured manner and is able to answer just about any question regarding TMM and dating. He has an amazing talent of finding the right words and metaphors for important points and realizations in game that are so dead on, so totally right on the money that I experienced several huge "heureka"-Moments during the seminars and the effects of these "moments of epiphany" for me are lasting and I will work hard in order to keep this feeling alive within myself. You can just sense that every piece of knowledge Sheriff gives out to you is based on or born out of his personal experiences in dealing with women and with dating. It is related to his own life trajectory. Almost everything he told us I would rate absolute truth from the mountain. His honesty was impressive and commanded great respect at the same time. I think this guy totally rocks and everyone should be happy, if he is able to take a bootcamp with Sheriff.

Rokker is Swedish. And since I loooove Sweden, travel there often and have lots of Swedish friends I immediately realized that I would like this guy too. Little did I know that observing his shining game was even more gripping and entertaining than any TV program or movie could ever be. And being a former student of Sheriff's made him even all me more sympathetic to me. Sheriff did the main lecturing, Rokker basically covered transitioning, kino escalation (great insightful concepts!) and gave us extensive insights into his concepts day game on the last day. Since he is somewhat of man who seems to have been naturally good with women, it is absolutely worthwile to observe his general 24/7-attitude and demeanor as well and the concepts he presents to you. E.g. the way he explained the concept of kino escalation during the first phases of the EPM was particularly crucial for finally really understanding the core subleties of kino escalation.

Sam was the one who "opened the gate" for me (I'll write about this, stick with me), who gave me the practical desperately required push by demonstrating to me that all of this really worked and that I could easily apply it too, if I just dared to. He did some great debriefing with me on the taxi rides back to the hotel and has fascinating concepts about locking in, kino and escalation which really stuck with me. And another great thing about him is that he totally feels and appears to be a regular guy. Nobody would suspect him to be the kind of fluently dominant person, the "socially calibrated monster" that he actually is. His demonstrations were major eye-openers for me, especially when he plowed thrugh massive shit tests and bitch shields, despite the existing language barrier with some German girls. He also demonstrated the typical level of energized kino application in Opening and Attraction that really opened my eyes and fit very well with the idea I got from Rokkers personal demonstration of kino for me during a seminar break.


3. Day & night 1

The seminar room was filled with 4 diverse but very interesting guys when I finally entered 10 minutes before it all started. I had expected it to be a purely European (non-anglo) bootcamp, but there were only two actual Germans, of the other three participants one was an Australian, the other two were Americans - it wouldn't have expected that! It was cool, I liked that.

The first day of instruction was dedicated to supply us with enough tools and information so that we could meet our general basic goal for the evening: successfully open any kind of group-set and get into a conversation with them about multiple kind of topics.

Moments of "wow, now I get what the verbal description of this actually means!" occurred for me in the explanations of Tranisitoning, Applicaton of Kino Escalation and of Sheriffs exegesis on what bad emotions turning up during a pickup actually stand for, what lies behind them.

The guest speaker of this seminar was Volker, an NLP coach from a German pick-up company who gave us great insights of how to create connections between topics in convo as to avoid pregnant pauses which could kill the vibe in a set, and how to direct the conversation into deepening or generalizing the threads you are running. Another great topic of Volker's lecture were aspects of inner game and their connection to your body and the state that it is in.

We were also "specifically and unmistakeably ordered" to fill out our own cheat sheet with the material we would like to use this night and bring it with us. At the end of the first seminar day my mind was totally on fire, but due to the slow service at our Indian restaurant (we had to wait almost an hour for our supper) there was not sufficient time left for me to shit/shower/shave and structure my cheat sheet thoroughly, I guess in the end I had only 10 minutes left to do that and would have almost missed our taxi, if Sheriff hadn't come to my room and called for me: "Hey Marco, the cab is already waiting! Are you ready to go?" I didn't feel that well structured material-wise for the upcoming show but apart from that I was OK and felt totally cool.

In-field night 1

As soon as we entered the venue (the "Q-ba" at the "Kunstpark"-Area close to Munichs Eastern Main Station) I felt uncomfortable, not nervous or afraid, but somehow stubborn, as if I desperately wanted to self sabotage myself. We entered the main dancefloor and even though there were practically no people around at all I quickly became bitter, negative, stiff withdrawn and shrewd. I walked around and didn't really approach anyone, I couldn't smile and didn't do any warm-up sets at all. Thoughts began to appear in my head: "I cannot do this. It's not working out like this/right now/with me/XYZ? What am I here for? How now?" I was self-sabotaging myself - was I nuts or what???? I just had paid several thousand fucking $$$ to do this and now I almost wanted to leave, to walk the rainy and fucking cold streets of the train staition backlot?

Charming Sheriff crossed my path and wanted to share some of his party energy to lighten me up, I guess he had noticed my depressed face 10 miles off:

Sheriff: "Hey Marco, are you having fun?"
I said: "You know what? I think I cannot do this."
Sheriff: "Why?"
I said: "I just don't know. But I really feel I can't do this."
Sheriff: ""OK, ccome with me...!"
He took my wrist and lead me into the entrance area where it was much quieter (a perfect
move into isolation, that's how I'd describe it now!)

Sheriff: "Hey, what's the problem?"
Me: "I'm neither nor a fraidy-cat nor close-mouthed person, and this is not how I usually move through my life. But I feel I can't do this, I just don't know why."
Sheriff: "How would you know - you haven't even tried it?"
Me: "Yes but, I don't even feel that this would work at all. And certainly not with me. Maybe I'm just unable to do this." [looking back to this an realizing that I actually said such balooney just some 5 days ago, makes me rolling in the aisles!]
He looked at me with a stern but also compassionate face:
Sheriff: "Do you really want to waste all your money, your dedication and your dreams right now at this very moment? Why don't you just smile?"
Me: "I don't know - I feel so powerless. Everything around here feels so hostile to me. Why should I just talk to random fucking strangers?"
Sheriff: "Look, why don't you just join Sam opening a set and watch what he's doing? You don't have to say anything, just see what it looks like, that's all. OK?"
Me: "Well... OK, this I can do."
Sheriff: "OK, great - let's find Sam!" (huge smile on the Sheriff-face!)

Sam then took me along (I felt like a being the odd one out) and he opened a sitting 3-set at the younge area of the club, three nice, not very impressive young girls. I just sat next to him, sat down when he sat down and watched what was happening in front of my very eyes. At first I didn't know what to expect, but the girls leaned into him, reacted to his questions and teases and very starting to actively contribute to his comments. After some 3 Minutes or so he really introduced them to me ("... my friend Marco, a really cool guy ...") and signaled me that I should sit next to the outmost girl, while he would occupy the other two. I told as I was said and I ran the Spells-Opener Sam had just used "again", just with some natural variation and she ate it up again, I felt slightly weird about it but apparently it worked. I transitioned with some shit about travelling, that she looked like she liked travelling and where she'd been travelling to last time. She got into this and for some 5 minutes a conversation got rolling. I found some camp fun in pretending that I was an American (I'm actually 50% US) learning German and since I love Harrison Ford I thought I'd fake the way Harrison would talk if he tried some broken German in the Q-ba on a Friday night. She asked me, whether I was actually Polish and gratulated me on my progress in learning German. Hehehe... that was really enjoyable. I understand now that I neither applied any kino, nor cut threads or fired some jokes at her, it was merely a nice mutual, non-threatning conversation about travel and it all went quite decently. After 5 minutes I started to feel downright bored, although the girl was friendly and nice she wasn't very sharp or sophisticated (and appeared a bit shy anyway) so I felt I was running out of suitable stuff to say (clearly I had totally forgot about Volker's conversation generator, which had emotionalized all of us during the seminar and that was just FOUR hours ago!). I signaled Sam, that I'd like to leave, so we ejected and went to meet Sheriff standing at the bar:

Sheriff: "And, what was it like for you?"
Me: "It went OK, I guess. I don't know."
Sheriff: "She was pretty much tuned into you, did you know that?"
Me: "That simple shy little girl? We just had a so-so convo about travel and shit."
Sheriff: "You could have escalated and amped up her emotions. She was clearly receptive."
Me: "Ah, yeah, oh... sure. I must have forgotten this when I was there."
Sheriff: "Hey, just warm up to the vibe of the place!" (BIG smile)
Me: "You know what's strange? That all of this is even somehow banale. I somehow get through with
this and it is not at all as terrible, as I had feared it to be less than 10 (spelled out: T-E-N) minutes ago.
This is so fucking weird."
Sheriff: "Well, you didn't that bad. Congratulate yourself instead. You could have led her easily to some emotional heights. There was no reason to eject that prematurely."
Me: "I started to feel uncomfortable as the convo progressed. Well Sam did the opening, I just kept watching, as I was invisible sitting next to him. He opened the gate for me. But I didn't feel I did a great job on this"
Sheriff: "Don't be hard on yourself, you are just starting doing this. Want to do another set?"
Me: "Absolutely!"

Meanwhile Rokker had joined us... Sheriff pointed to the other bar at the other side of the dancefloor and asked Rokker to accompany me going there. I told Rokker: "Point towards a 2-set at the bar and I will go and open them." After that I opened a difficult 3-set with their backs positioned towards me. I blew and tore this set apart but after Rokker had debriefed me on this the next day I will never ever conciously forget how to correctly open such a set.

Over the course of the first evening until 2 a.m. I totaled 13 different sets and was able to deliver correct body language, voice projection and even some confusing attraction material. ;-)

During the rest of the night (about 80 %) I had the massive pleasure of being around Rokker, asking him questions, pointing out sets for me, him entering as a wing into sets I had opened (which once caused me a massive state break, 'cuz I totally went blank as for what to say next... hahahaha....) getting his INCREDIBLE feedback, having him do demonstrations for me and so on... It was a total blast! Even though I felt like some random loser standing next to him, I could get a clear picture of what can be accomplished, and what I would want to be like in gameing. That evening I clearly took Rokker a some kind of role model for myself and whenever we were in a set, when he was working the obstacle and I ran out of material and felt bored, I just turned to watch him running shining game right next to me and enjoyed what I was seeing and I didn't even feel pissed, when my girl turned towards Rokker herself after I had decided to "lose interest" into her. ;-)

I must also say, that I didn't really feel that much of approach anxiety at all. Perhaps this can be attributed to my neverending anti-flow of continuously crashing and burning during school and in university. It really somewhat desensitized me and during the last year I had also happened to meet some of the women I used to had a crush on. I was given the priviledge to take a look at their boring lives, fattening arms/asses/legs/lack of bellybuttons and their "I'm not being fucked well, poor me"-gazes... and was able to conclude: "Dude, you were lucky NOT to get lucky with those women, they are continuously being shitted into their minds by society and of course they chose some nice idiot for continuous psychological abuse and marriage. Be glad that fate spared you from having this kind of experience." I think all of this helps me to counter any severe approach anxiety. I rather experience some approach lazyness which coincides with rising fatigue at the end of the night.

Yes, at the end of the night I felt very tired though and got a slight flashback of my initial angst-emotions. I felt like I couldn't open any other set (I clearly could have) and just jumped myself into a segregated area with a couch and tried to understand what I just had gone through. I watched all the people dancing, talking to each other, losers standing around waiting for girls to fuck them ;-P and girls waiting to get opened. To me all of this still felt unreal and I tried to get my head around whether I would stay or maybe still leave the bootcamp. I decided to sleep over it all, which becam impossible because I was not able to get real sleep. I felt the terrible urge to put the entire evening onto paper (10 pages on word) and fiendishly tried to analyze what had happened and what I was actually doing.

But I knew one thing: even though I wasn't particularly successful that night I clearly felt, as if a bad spell had been finally been removed from me, this night. I could sense that all the deep self-hatred I had amassed during the course of the past 20 years had slowly left me, this became especially obvious to me during the entire days 2 and 3 and ever since then. But that moment of truth, when I mustered up the courage "to bite the bullet", to ask someone else to point out a set for me. And that gate out of a labyrinth of fear was opened for me by Sam and Rokker continued to guide me out of it and helped my to walk some first little steps into freedom.

It was also incrredibly instructive to see and to experience it for myself, that not all sets can be as cool as you would like them to be. But that doesn't matter at all as long as you stay in and keep working them. I ejected myself far too often, instead of plowing through. I swore myself that on night 2 I would try to stay in there for as long as I could.

4. Day & night 2

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In-field night 2

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5. Day 3

Even though I logically had a very clear idea of what IoIs are, and how to judge their veracity and combination - at the very moment in set I had no radar of her throwing IoIs massively against me at all. I was simply flying blind and didn't really care either. I just saw a happy smiling girl close and sometimes VERY close to me and me just running material, making her laugh, teasing her and so on, almost acting like I was totally pulling her strings. It was just like driving on a straightaway road without ANY traffic signs located in an unbelieveably BORING landscape: you know you are driving and you are somehow getting forward, the car works the way you expect it to go but you don't really see where to make turns and you don't really expect to encounter anything of particular significans or importance on the trip. Driving for 5 minutes or for 1 hour would more or less feel the same. It somehow felt quite weird for me because I wondered: "Hey, what kind of sign I would get from her to signal me that I was getting somewhere with this girl? Should she spread her legs on the bar, let me push aside her panties and let me fuck her right there? Or would a firm punch in my face, stomach or my balls be an unambiguous sign? Fuck!" I had absolutely no idea at that point - even though I was in an asteroid field of IoIs at the same time. Looking back to it, I must say: IT'S WAY COOL! ;-) And the best thing about it is, that this will never EVER happen to me again. NEVER. EVER. AGAIN. PERIOD ;-))))


6. After the BC & an unexpected lay

I had a lay two days right after the BC with an old friend who finished school together with me in 1996, a cool and beautiful blonde girl with literally sea-blue eyes and a radiating smile - strangely enough I remembered, that I never had a crush on her during school (I didn't even dream of fucking her at that time), so there were no negative memories associated with that shit. We had scheduled our meeting long before I actually signed up for the bootcamp so it just happened to be a date with an old friend taking place right after the BC. Since I had ignored all those massive flying IoI's on "spa-girl" during the evening of day 2, I swore to god that this would NEVER EVER happen to me again. An here were the IoI's flying again, she was laughing giggling, we kept hugging, I tickled her, we played silly games, I told her dirty sex jokes, tried fto find her off-button, to remve her batteries and so on. In Comfort she told me several times over, that I had changed from the "Marco" she could remember from school and kept asking me again and again "tell me, just what happend to you?!?" She further confessed with a suspended voice how lonely she was and that her coworkers would be hitting badly on her all the time but she knew for sure that they'd just would want to fuck her, those shitty bastards. She literally said: "Just tell me Marco, where have all the good men gone? It's soo great to see that there are at least some mentally healthy and great guys around, like you..." I said, that it's a really sad thing for me to observe too (because I had deeply felt the pain of proper male role model figures around me), e.g. in clubs, to see how most men have no clue lurking around in the corner or at the bar waiting for "something" to happen or getting massively drunk and the girls are just waiting for someone to talk them up and make them smile and how they would leave the venue on a Saturday evening crushed, without anything memorable having happened and feel so sad about it all during Sunday, when they'd be talking to their friends about it on the phone... massive IoI's from her and she gave me "the look" and cuddled close to me. Then I did what I missed out on spa-girl three days before at the bootcamp: I went for the kiss. I didn't even use Mystery's kiss close for instanse, I just touched her neck, her face, smelled her hair, cupped her ears (thanks Rokker!), then the cheeks of her face looked deeply into her widely opened eyes and went for the kiss... and she melted like butter in the sun. What a high, it was unbelieveable. If something like THAT had happened to me in my pre-BC-life it would have freaked me pretty much out, because I would have had NO IDEA on what to do next etc. But now I know better (oh, by the way: a BIG thank you to "spa-girl"!). ;-)

I took the convo even more sexual, by asking her whether she was familiar with the experience, that most men she might have had slept with didn't actually have sex with HER, but merely jerked off inside of her vagina while thinking of nasty porn sex with some pornstar while drilling her. She stared at me with an expression of many different emotions: "Oh my god, that's so true! Yes! How do you know that?!? Oh yes..." and got a little bit sad... I hugged her intensely, then I just felt like playing a little silly kino routine, which made her smile again and got the two of us massive goosebumps. The vibe was really strong and it was as "on" as anything. We kissed again, but I managed not to spoil her attraction by giving her those "total" seduction kisses.

Anyway, since her place was more close by than mine, I suggested to go to her place. I could feel that our mutual connection and her attraction to me would prevent any major state break from closing her at her own place. And fortunately I was right, but I must say I wouldn't have minded it if whe would have ended up just talking through the entire night without me fucking her. Just having been able to recognize all those IoI-waypoints was a major brealthrough for me. So there was absolutely no LMR and the sex was a great triumph for me. First of all I managed to make her really happy and fill her with pure bliss. ;-) Secondly this encounter proved to me that I could actually turn someone else's perception of me based on past experiences of having known me 180° around. Fucking amazing! After sex we talked a lot and I told her that we are even more connected as friends, how much I respected her for that and how much I loved all the beautiful little details on her body and how much I respected her for being the strong, passionate, ambitious and intelligent woman that she actually IS (by the way), but that I'd not be willing to settle down for quite some time but that I'd terribly much love to have her around, share her energy and watch her grow stronger anyway. She loved this and accepted my frame without objection, because she could feel, that I was honest with what I told her (- and honest I was.). She said how refreshing it was for her to get to know a man who would be able to honestly open himself up to her and not lie to her just to take "something" from her, especially when topics like sex and/or relationships were on the table.

Well without the BC I would have never managed to make someone else that happy. She clearly needed some compassionate male attention. ;-P It was a wonderful experience for me as well, and I still have to learn soooo much, but it will be a long road of pure, gradually rising damned fucking FUN and in no way unpleasant.

Now at last I am able to really UNDERSTAND, that girls are actually DYING to get properly approached and opened, even with the weirdest kind of shit as long as it is done in a confident and interesting and challenging way. They love to be made happy and they will in those cases often just BOMBARD you with IoI's.

TMM is simply the real shit, probably some of the coolest shit around ever! This stuff is absolutely priceless - no second thoughts about that. And it certainly IS "life changing" (Rokker once again nailing it).


7. Some advice for those who are thinking about taking a BC

The bootcamp will only be of maximum value to you if you give maximum value to the time spent on it. Being relaxed and somewhat humble is also important. To have a kiss close or a #-close or maybe even a lay in mind as a wonderful goal that you'd love to achieve even on a BC night is OK, but be humble and don't expect it to happen. And don't be afraid that any instructor or co-student might laugh about mistakes you made or insecurities that you feel concious about or ashamed for, this is NOT going to happen.

An intense BC program like this it is only worth every penny, if you prepare yourself properly beforehand (I did some approaching drills on my own long before the BC, I had read and worked with magic bullets over and over and over etc.). Now, since I got occasionally puzzled up inside my head during the in-field nights, I'm not saying that this preparation work will necessarily help you to perform much better during those nights, because you will have freshly internalized all this massive additional information from the seminar as well. It might be spinning around inside your head all the time and you might have quite some trouble to get structured and down to earth. This slightly impaired just the very structure of some of my in-field sets, but I learned a shitload from this yet. I made many mistakes, small ones and the big whopper ones but I can still remember almost each of them and now I know and feel what I could have done better etc.

On the in-field-nights get yourself into approach-machine-mode. Since it's all "virtual club reality" nothing that's going wrong there actually matters. And if you do things right you'll get massive flow. ;-) I feel for instance, that I could have done even more and more risky approaches, but at some point in the night (mostly about 01 a.m.) I clearly became too tired to continue, even though I felt that I should have plowed through this low-point and Sheriff & Sam encouraged me to, but fatigue ultimately got the better of me - being the lazy bastard that I am. (But I will do this specific kind of mission in field on my own: get to the threshold of fatigue and then just go into massive direct approaches with immediate qualifying afterwards, just to push myself over the line and see what happens, whether I'm going to enjoy it... ;-))

By all means soak up the knowledge the instructors give you like a sponge: DO you fill numerous and numerous and numerous and numerous and numerous and numerousof pages of handwritten notes: I filled an entire book (81,5 pages) & at the end of the seminar there was just the last half of the final page that had remained blank. The seminar handout (Sheriff's was almost more then freshly edited 30+ pages) is no substitute fro not taking notes. If your hand doesn't hurt after each seminar day, I'd guess you literally must have done "something" wrong. The wrist of my right-hand clearly ached a bit when we had supper on each evening in our slow-service Indian restaurant above.

It proved most important for me to reasess my in-field experiences during the night back in the hotel room, writing it all down as quickly as I could before the memories you fade out of my mind, scripting it down as detailed as possible. You wil be amazed by how much you can remember (it's like a movie playing in front of your eyes). You will be able to links certain mistakes you made or successes you had to faces of girls or type of sets you ran during the night. And all of this will enable you to ask the instructors properly focused questions during the debriefing on the next seminar day. The information and the solutions to your sticking points of last night that you'll get from the instructors are priceless, because they will be perfectly tailored to you, all the more so if you know exactly what to ask them about. In debrief they all were awesome: Sheriff, Rokker and Sam.

When you get home, I suggest you type your notes properly, transform them into a pdf that you can read on your laptop/computer and also get a printed copy made and bind into a book or something, there is still no substitute for reading and making notes next to words printed on paper.


8. It's a wrap

I feel the memories and the experience of the bootcamp to be MASSIVELY GROWING ON ME over the past two days and I feel that this is even going to intensify over time once I consistently continue to have my own experiences in the field, I guess it's because I tried to anchor and structore the memories of my sets as quickly as possible on paper. I would honestly rate my bootcamp among the very few absolutely life changing experiences with far reaching long term effects. It was WORTH EVERY SINGLE FUCKING PENNY/EURO/WTF I SPENT - and I'm saying this knowing fairly well, that money has no actual value (e.g. if your want to experience REAL kinda fun, burn a 100 $ with your cigarette lighter! I feels great.).

I succeeded learning lots of invaluable stuff during those three intense days, even though I neither looked the most trendy or the most healthy (my skin is in some places still a bit fucked up with acne but I'm already about to win that fight as well). Some fashion advice is clearly needed: I could look far more fuckable and I will fix this as best as I can. I will also recommence my training in swimming again, I used to be quite good in butterfly style some years ago... and I also want to improve the place I'm living in, I have been considering to move to a logistically far better place next Summer of 2008 anyway, and I know that I will find the perfect place for the best version of myself. ;-)

I desperately love all the guys from my bootcamp to pieces, each one of them was unique, dedicated and really cool in his own right. The instructors simply ROCK! (And not just because one of them is nicknamed Rokker. (did I already mention, that he ROCKS too?? ;-) ) And at this very moment right now, just as I'm writing this it seems, as if there is a little tear of joy forming in my eye... but who knows, maybe I'm just feeling a little bit TOO excited of even just THINKING about it and need to calm down...

Now at last I am able to really UNDERSTAND, that girls are actually DYING to get properly approached and opened, even with the weirdest kind of shit as long as it is done in a confident, interesting and challenging way. They love to be made happy and they will in those cases often just BOMBARD you with IoI's.

Since the bootcamp I simply feel totally awesome! My overall mood, my ability to focus, the way I stand, talk, my voice projection, how I enter a room, my bantering abilities - everything has gone up and I'm supercharged, I leave no set ungamed and it's great, great fun. If anyone out there actually want to feel, how I feel, just listen to U2's song "With or without you" - THAT'S exactly how I feel and how I felt after the BC was over.

This stuff is simply so fucking good, that in case you get reborn again and you were forced to forget everything about your past life, you would really just want to save this over into your next incarnation!

OK that's all I have to say about my experience so far. I hope it was an interesting read for you guys... Apart from that I just feel great ;-).

I know that I can be as happy and playful and smiling again in my life, as I used to be when I was ten years old. Thanks guys - I'll be forever in your debt... !

And to any reader out there: don't allow anyone or anything to fill your life with utter SHIT, OK!?!?
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Old 11-24-2007, 05:21 PM
 
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Default Munich Bootcamp with Sheriff, Rokker and Stickler Nov 9 - 11, 2007

I'll start the review with the things that I think are most relevant to you guys - my perspective on what to expect, when to do the bootcamp, whether to pick TMM or not and the positives and negatives of the bootcamp I had. I'll refrain from providing too much on myself, as I think many other reviewers have told very personal accounts of their experience.

What to expect

This for me is the most relevant question, and unfortunately, guys, the bootcamp will not make you a new person. This is not magic (I knew this going in, but I kind of hoped it would be otherwise). The bootcamp is a start (in the right direction) of a long journey, if your goal is to really become skilled with women. I don't know how long, since I haven't gone down the path yet, but I am expecting at least a few months before I feel truly competent in the field. You will need to determination and perseverance. If you are not willing to put in a lot of time and effort after the bootcamp putting into practice what you have learned, dealing with failure and self-diagnosing that failure, I would not recommend a bootcamp.

What you will get out of a bootcamp is a solid push in the right direction, and the tools necessary to overcome your current sticking points and diagnose future sticking points. For me, this was incredibly valuable and worth every penny, but I want to make sure I set your expectations properly. You will not have women falling all over you the second night of the bootcamp. On the other hand, I firmly believe that if most people just continued to be in the field without a bootcamp, they would plateau after not too long. That's where the bootcamp helps - it gets you to your plateau and gives you the tools to get past it.

The best analogy I can come up with is with regards to snowboarding. If one of your friends showed you the basics of snowboarding, you might be able to make your way down a green with really wide turns and likely falling a lot. If you took a day lesson, on the other hand, by the end of the day (a day in which you will have fallen countless times), you likely could make it down a green with more narrow turns, falling only a few times. You would not be an expert. But if you went boarding after the lesson for three or four days, all day, you would likely start to become competent on greens and maybe even try a blue. This is huge progress, but you're still not doing tricks or going down blacks. It is still fun, but it is not the end goal, and you'll likely need a lesson again at some point.

The bootcamp is the same. At the end of it, you'll be able to open sets, transition, build some attraction and maybe even isolate and get to comfort. If you spend three weeks going out every night, I suspect you'll get a few closes. At some point, though, you'll probably need a one-on-one or an advanced seminar to get to the next level. That's my experience with learning a new skill.

When to do a bootcamp

So you have the right expectations, but when should you do a bootcamp? TMM gives the impression that you can do a bootcamp if you have never done anything regarding pickup before. Perhaps one could, but I can't imagine you would get nearly as much out of it as if you have some experience. Now I by no means had a ton of experience, but I read The Game, The Mystery Method and some of Magic Bullets, and I put some of it into practice. I went out six or seven nights and probably approached 25-30 sets over that time before the bootcamp. I had success opening and transitioning and building some attraction, but only one set got to a kiss close.

Why do I recommend doing this?

First and foremost, it gives you some positive associations with pickup. I was nervous as hell on the first night out (and it didn't go well as a result - more on that later), and had I not had some success in the past to draw on, I'm not sure I would've gotten much out of the second night. Instead, I realized that I had just been super-nervous the first night, and I let go of all that and made some serious progress the second night.

Second, it helps with approach anxiety. I am not going to have an instructor pushing me into sets my entire life. I am going to have to overcome approach anxiety on my own. I would rather have confidence that I can do that before the bootcamp, rather than worrying during the bootcamp "I know its going well now, but what about when I am on my own? Could I still do this?" Even if your sets don't go well, convince yourself that you can approach girls on your own. Get blown out. Do the "Say 'hi' to every girl that walks by" exercise (I did that and found it extremely difficult at first, but helpful in overcoming my approach anxiety).

Third, its a better use of your money. Let's go back to the snowboarding example. You could take a $100 lesson before you ever put on a snowboard and have the instructor show you how to put the board on, how to stand up, how to do a falling leaf, how to go forward, etc. But you could take any average snowboarder friend of yours and have them show you the same stuff. These aren't advanced skills. Figure out the basics on your own, and then use an instructor to teach you how to carve, to do turns, to stop when you're going quickly, etc. Why waste precious time with the instructors overcoming approach anxiety and figuring out how to open? They will help you get better, no doubt, but you can pick up a book and do some of the basics on your own.

Why TMM

So you've decided to bootcamp and you're going to wait a few weeks to give yourself some time for practice. Now, which company to use? I have only taken TMM's bootcamp, so I can't speak to any of the others, but here was my logic for what its worth. TMM is nearly twice as expensive as the other guys, and they still sell out their seminars. If you look at the feedback on this site, it is all largely extremely positive.

The only way a company can get away with charging twice as much as the competition is if the product really is better (for those of you into psychology, I know some of this could also be a result of social proof - people still do it despite the price - plus commitment - people like it more because they paid more for it, so move on to point two if you're unconvinced). In addition, if TMM charges twice as much, they can afford to pay their instructors twice as much, which means they can attract the best instructors. Finally, the best instructors mean the best material, the best experience in the field and the best post-bootcamp advice on the forums. That was my logic. If you've taken TMM and other bootcamps and disagree, I would be interested in hearing about your experience.

Positives and Negatives of the Munich Bootcamp

This is obviously the most specific part of my review, as you may or may not have Sheriff or Rokker as your instructors, and each instructor seems to be very different from the reviews I've read. Rather than go into details about each one, I want to talk about general things that worried me and whether the bootcamp addressed them. Overall, I thought Sheriff and Rokker were awesome instructors and great guys to spend time with, and I would highly recommend taking a seminar with either one of them if you can.

Arrogance

My first concern was that these master PUAs who held this amazing power over women may have "forgotten where they came from." It would be quite understandable that one could get a big head after mastering these skills - hell, you're teaching guys how to be better men!!! I was worried that the instructors would be aloof, judgmental, harsh and cocky. I WAS 100% WRONG!

Both Sheriff and Rokker were extremely down-to-earth normal guys. In fact, during the seminar, I found myself wondering at times if they were for real. I mean, they seemed like people I would be friends with from school or work, not the supermen I had imagined. Well, they confirmed their skills at night. I think someone else has described Sheriff as "Clark Kent" and I would agree on both Sheriff and Rokker (I can't speak much about Stickler, the approach coach, as I didn't work with him directly, but I heard similar comments from the other students.

Supportiveness

I was also worried the instructors would be extremely judgmental. They were anything but. They always pointed out our successes and congratulated us, while giving us feedback on how to improve. They started off every debrief positively, emphasizing the importance of having positive emotions tied with pickup. They were much more supportive than I could have hoped for, which really helped me build my confidence. Plus, their feedback was always constructive and framed as "the next step" or "how to improve" rather than "what you are doing wrong." It made a big difference for me.

Personal attention

Another concern I had was how much personal attention would I really get. With so many students, can they really give me customized advice? The answer is yes, although my experience was uniquely positive (and I'll explain why).

On the first night, we had two instructors, an approach coach, a visiting instructor from another program and six students, so 1-2 students per coach. This meant that I nearly always had feedback coming out of set and support going into the next set. But, we switched instructors during the night, which made me feel a bit like I was "starting over" with the next instructor. Its hard to say how much that mattered, as my first night went really poorly as I mentioned.

The second night, though, myself, Rokker and another student got to the venue a little later than the others and the bouncers wouldn't let us in. I was devastated, since this was the hottest club in Munich, and I thought I was going to have another bad night, this time spent looking for a place and winding up in a venue with a limited number of sets. I have never been so wrong. We found ourselves n a better venue, and having Rokker all to ourselves was an amazing gift. I opened 15-20 sets, started using FTCs and locking in, building attraction, getting a lot of IOI's. These were big steps for me, and Rokker was there after every set to either give me feedback from his observations or to listen to my explanations and immediately analyze the set. He emphasized the improvements in my body language, my confidence and the IOIs I was receiving. He identified that I needed to move the girls around more, isolate more and qualify more. Maybe that sounds small, but I didn't get the importance of movement or qualification before, and that is where I will really focus my game going forward. This was a unique situation, but if there is any way you can get one-on-one time with one of the instructors, I highly recommend it. That night alone was worth the price of admission. (You also avoid the problem of being the 4th guy to open a set in the venue, a problem we encountered the first night, and one which can be overcome, but is best avoided this early)

Ongoing contact

Its now been a few weeks since the seminar, and I was in London for a weekend and Sheriff and I had lunch together and Rokker has answered a few questions of mine over email. I feel confident these guys really care about the success of their students and will provide ongoing advice to help us push forward.

Material

I wanted to leave the bootcamp essentially with the new routines manual, and while we didn't get that much material, we got plenty of material to get us started. I still want the routines manual (and, for the price of the seminar, I strongly feel TMM should throw it and Magic Bullets in, but that's a different story), but I want to start focusing on what we learned, internalizing those before I move on to other routines.

Mixed sets

Sheriff and Rokker specifically did not force, nor encourage us into mixed sets, saying there was enough to be learned from all-female sets. Regardless, some female sets turned into mixed sets, so I think we all got a taste of AMOGging. I have heard other instructors force people into mixed sets. I am fairly indifferent on this one. I know it opens up more options if you feel comfortable with mixed sets, but I tend to agree with Sheriff and Rokker that there is more than enough to be learned in all-female sets. Save the blues until you're mastered the greens.

Creating your own material

We spent a lot of time on all kinds of stock material and materials Sheriff and Rokker themselves use, but I was disappointed they didn't spend much time helping us develop our own materials consitent with our identities. The second night Rokker mentioned using your passions and goals to help develop your material, and he shared with us his own, but it didn't get more specific than that. I think the routines manual will cover it, but I would have liked to see it in the seminar.

Content Gaps: Storytelling and social circle game

My sense from the reviews I've read and from the structure of the seminar is that each instructor does his own version, which makes sense, but it leaves a possibility that gaps remain that other instructors may cover. We had open time on the third day to suggest topics we wanted to hear about, but I had forgotten to mention these two areas. Both I think are valuable, and since the workshop, I've gotten Sheriff and Rokker to give me their perspective in person or over email on these topics, so its not a big deal, but worth mentioning.
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Great review man. Really good details. Thanks.
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Thumbs up Munich Bc Nov 9-11 2007 with Sheriff and Rokker

I know this was a few months ago but I still think it kicks ass and I want to give the guys credit for this:

I have to say at first.
I was sceptical at first if I should take a bc.
I was thinking: That much money for three day?
Maybe I could sort it all out in the field myself?
Maybe I need the money for something else?

But the truth was, I was stuck. I’m in the community for nearly two years now. I had a few lays but this year I got stuck in my progress. I didn’t know what I was doing wrong and what’s holding me back in my journey in becoming a PUA.

So I said: “Fuck that!” I saved some money for special things and what could be more important then having you life enriched by beautiful women?
I can hardly think of something else.

The Seminar:

The seminar was just packed with useful information. You can read the VAH, you can read Magic Bullets but nothing will help you more with the understanding of the Model then have it explained to you by real pros.
The structure is a constant thing in my head now I always revaluate all my interactions and know exactly what I did wrong and what my SP´s are.
The instructors where really helpful and very kind to us students, we could always ask questions in the seminar if we didn’t get something fully the instructors did their best to make us understand every blind spot to the fullest.

What I really liked was also Sheriff´s attraction triangle. A cognitive Model he came up with and you will read about nowhere else. With this in my head you are always able to know what piece is missing. What do you have to add to make the interaction go smooth and the way you want it.

The Infield Part:

The infield part was the shit!!!!
Winging with the instructors and the other students was just priceless especially in the debrief where they identified all out sp´s. After the first night out and the debrief I already improved so much on the second night just because they told me exactly what to work on and what I already do good so I hadn’t to worry about it anymore.

The Instructors:

Sheriff:

This is a guy you just have to like from the beginning.
He´s a friendly, energetic guy with great knowledge on everything and great at pointing out what you miss in your game. In the first Infield Part I was not in state for a while, I opened a lot of sets but I was loosing them all shortly after the transition.
Sheriff said to me to walk up to a two set and get blown out as fast as I can and he will stop the time.
I walked up to them and started talking and talked andtalked then he came up to me smiling.
“Hey mate, didn´t I told you to get blown out?? You are five minutes in there”
He came back after I was 20 Minutes in set.
The lesson was I was caring to much about my success and put too much value in them. As I don’t cared everything worked out nicely. Lesson learned.
Great was also his Relationship advice he gave us on Day3 another part of the bc you will only get at his bc´s and you will not find anywhere else.
Priceless stuff I would love to know about in the past.

Rokker:

I spend a lot of time with Rokker on the second night in Field at the BC and this guy is just awesome. I aksed him quazillion question and he always answered in seconds in a way that made me understand everything. He also winged with me in a few sets and we nearly pulled a two set together.....;-)
His style is more low key then Sheriffs is so it was good to see both of them.
He also gave me a great guideline for Comfort: Having a passion for something is insanely attractive. With this in my mind my comfort Game took a leap!!!

Stickler: A Approach Couch from England I spend a great deal of time with. A very low key guy but a Monster in set with a very warm vibe.
He tought me a few things about delivery on the first night that really brought me forward. He was also the first Instructor I winged with and I saw for the first time how gaming with a really good guy can be.

After all this time: What changed?:

A lot!!!!
As I wrote before. The structure you need for every ineraction with girls is cemented in my head. If you want to fill your blind spots with TMM a BC is something you should definetely consieder to take.
But I encourage you to go out first and try some of this stuff out. Beeing not a complete newbie helped me tremendously to understand the concepts and especially get a lot out of the infield parts cause I could asked question about the things I was doing and was unsure about.

Currently I´m in the process of making a dreamgirl my GF. So guys....The rest is up to you.
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