Thread: Sheriff & Mr. M Bootcamp - LA, Sept 2007 (With Dahunter & Savoy)

Bootcamp - LA 27/9/07 - Sheriff & Mr M .

This bootcamp will go down as one of the Top Ten Pivotal Moments in my life. I experienced first-hand what a new way of dealing with women can achieve and have been given enough of a grounding to sarge with my new PUA buddies and develop my skillsets.

On the first night in the field, I was being pushed into sets by TheMagicMan, an MM apprentice instructor. I approached a two set with an 8.5 Brunette and an 8 Asian. The Brunette was a little drunk so that time was slowed down enough for TheMagicMan to quietly tell me what to say whenever I needed prodding.

I had decided to just say whatever I was told and see what happened as I hadn't learned much material, but I wanted to use an opener I felt comfortable with and suggested one to TheMagicMan who said "try it".

Me - Hey (Over shoulder while waiting at bar) I'll just be a sec. I was wondering if you could help me. I'm from Australia. My friend says that no-one in America can name 3 famous Australian Actors.
Them - (looking at me like I had just had a car crash)
Me - Come on. Help me out. I have ten bucks riding on this.
Brunette - Mel Gibson.
Me - Thank you. That's one.
Blah, Blah, Blah
Asian walks away. I am isolated with 8.5 Brunette.
Brunette - I am a student.
Me - I bet you're studying . . . construction.
Brunette - What? (confused)
Me - Well your hands look like you are in construction.
Brunette - Whaa!!! (laughing / gobsmacked) . . . (giving me more eye contact) . . . . You should never say that to a girl. You should never, ever say that to a girl.
Blah, Blah
Brunette - You know. You're different.
Me - (looking into her eyes) Thank You. And so are you. (My AFC line saw her visibly relax and feel back in control of the situation whereas before she was a little on edge, being tested. After a few seconds I realised my inner AFC had reared his ugly head and wished I had said something like, "I think you might have more to you than the typical LA girl but I haven't decided yet")
Blah, Blah
Asian comes back and Brunette tells her about construction hands story showing her hands, I turn to TheMagicMan and get new lines, which I use. She gets up when AMOG (Asian's boyfriend) shows up and I steal her chair and I give her a back turn at some point when she didn't jump through my hoop.

Time to go. And TheMagicMan says to go for number close. I am reluctant thinking there is no point.

Me - (holding phone) What's your name?
Brunette- Nita
Me - How do you spell that? (type into phone)
Brunette - N-I-T-A
Me - And what's your number?
Brunette - Blah. (with enthusiasm) Give me a call tomorrow and I can show you around the cool places in LA.

I was surprised to get her number, she ended up flaking , partly because I later stood around looking bored waiting for other PUA's which would be a major DLV.

Going home that night I was blown away by what my neg about her construction hands had done. It had really opened her up to me. It gave me a belief that all this stuff can actually work, and that first taste of success has been enough to motivate me to learn and practice new material.

The rest of the course was great, but my advice to any future student is to grab the instructors and get them to advise you while you are in set. I read "The Game " by Style and thought it was hilarious when he had some guy whispering in his ear while he was talking to girls, but it is the best way to learn. If you do this - you will really get your money's worth. Even if, as in my case, you have spent $7,500 after flights, accom, car rental, etc

The next two nights weren't as good because I didn't really get that "in-set" instruction again. Although, I started making headway with a couple of sets I liked (HB9s), in both cases they were dragged off to other venues before I was able to isolate targets or start kino escalation.

Sheriff was a great presenter of the information during the seminars . He obviously has a lot of experience both using the material and teaching it. But I was really disappointed not to spend any real in-field time with him because he came down with a virus on the last night when I planned to grab him. Hopefully I will get another opportunity.

Mr M was great at teaching during the seminar and in-field as an instructor and wing . He really tries to give personal attention to his students and doesn't just download information but praises where you went right and motivates you. Mr M was great at helping me see my sticking points . I used to be known as the Icebreaker because I could open almost any sets so I thought I had opening down pat, but he made me realise that I was giving off major DLV's during opening that had always put me in a supplicant position. He said I should write a list of my sticking points like he did and like him I would gradually be able to cross them off. I also appreciated his opening up a bit about his own journey which gave me hope.

DaHunter - was great when he talked, particularly at the seminar on kino and seducing, and on the few occassions I asked him questions in field his responses were absolute gold. But I always found he was scoring himself / demo-ing rather than winging and helping us students. I once warned him off a girl because I thought her boyfriend was nearby only to see him make out with her, reminding me how much AFC I still need to get rid of. I really liked his "Did you just give me a look? I'll kick your ass."

TheMagicMan - ten out of ten as an in-field instructor. The best in my opinion.

Savoy joined us for dinner on the 2nd night and opened a two-set of 8.5 Beverly Hills types. I was interested to see how he really discussed relationship topics, which I have never discussed in my life, and how he kept stacking forward -practically bulldozing the HB's mid-way through their responses. I didn't really get to talk to him much but it was interesting to see the master in action. This helped me identify my sticking point of not stacking forward enough and waiting around like a chump listening to targets during opening and transitioning .

After reading "The Game ", I had bought "Venusian Arts Handbook " and the 5 set of Mystery DVDs. I had also bought "Cocky Comedy" by David De Angelo which is complete and utter shite and made me lose interest in the whole area. I had tried going out one night with a few routines, but had so thoroughly burned I had lost faith in the method and material. I had one friend who was really interested in the material also, but we couldn't get our shit together.

It was only by doing the Bootcamp and getting pushed into sets by the Instructrs that I was able to see minor advances and feel the material working. I now know this material has to be practiced, studied and absorbed like you are a professional, not like a joker playing around with a few bits and pieces.

I would highly recommend this course to anyone. If you want to improve your life, sell your car if you have to, and do one of these courses. You will get heaps of material and motivation and get first hand experience of what needs to be done and how easy it is to make little steps of progress.

10/10

Thank you Sheriff , Mr M , DaHunter and TheMagicMan. You guys rock !!!

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Hello gang,

I just finished my very first bootcamp , which took place in Los Angeles from 9/27/2007 thru 9/29/2007. The bootcamp was led by Sheriff and Mr. M (with additional help from Da Hunter and an Approach Coach named Ben -- not sure what Ben's handle is).

To say that this bootcamp was life-changing would be a total understatement. This bootcamp was the most important weekend of my entire life on this planet as a human being. Over the weekend, I transformed from the friendly/nice guy who was terrified of bars & always ended up in the "friend zone" within 60 seconds or less... into a guy whose confidence is sky high and who KISS-CLOSED 4 GIRLS IN 3 NIGHTS! This is why I have chosen my screenname to be "kisser"... it now seems like the appropriate title for me.

All of this was possible because Sheriff and Mr. M were the TWO GREATEST TEACHERS that I have ever had in my entire life -- in ANY subject matter. I am a UCLA alumni, and I can honestly say that none of my UCLA professors in the 4 years that I attended school there had the warmth, the friendliness, the selflessness, the open-mindedness, the passion for their subject matter, the charisma, the patience, the dedication to their students, and the absolute MASTERY of their subject field like Sheriff and Mr. M have.

As an example of our teachers' *COMPLETE MASTERY* of their subject matter, Mr. M accomplished something absolutely amazing during the course of the bootcamp . MR. M SUCCESSFULLY CLOSED AN ACTUAL PLAYBOY MODEL and SPENT THE NIGHT IN HER HOTEL ROOM. Let me reiterate: this is not a girl who LOOKS like a Playboy model, but a GENUINE PLAYBOY MODEL that you can look up on Playboy's website and see amazing spreads of her unreal body at playboy.com. That's right, folks -- Mr. M CLOSED A PLAYBOY MODEL and we were there to witness it. For those in the back corner who may not have heard it, I just want to yell it aloud one more time: MR. M CLOSED A PLAYBOY MODEL!

If I had to choose just one word to describe Sheriff and Mr. M , it would be SELFLESS. Although they were both extremely successful at picking up dozens of women for themselves during the course of the weekend, it was CLEARLY obvious that they were NOT there for themselves. They were there for US. There wasn't a single second that ever passed that I didn't feel like I could walk up to my teachers in the field and ask them an important question. In fact, they were usually watching me from afar without me even realizing it. Sheriff and Mr. M worked TIRELESSLY, both in the class and in the field, to make sure that we were not only understanding the material, but that we were applying it well.

Sheriff , as a multi-year veteran of teaching this material, is quite possibly the best public speaker I have ever met in my entire life, outside of Steve Jobs from Apple Computer. This man has taken concepts & words & ideas that you may have heard 100 times before, but as soon as they come out of Sheriff 's mouth, you INSTANTLY understand what he's talking about with your entire mind & body. Sheriff has internalized this material so well over so many years that he EASILY & EFFORTLESSLY shares his knowledge in a way that makes sense to beginners. Sheriff is so organized & so logical about his presentations, that you can literally feel your self-esteem growing as he moves from concept to concept.

In fact, I actually consider Sheriff as something of a soothsayer. On the very first day of class, Sheriff talked about several situations & roadblocks that would happen to us in the field... and they all happened to me that very night in the field! Sheriff knows this stuff so well, that he knew EXACTLY what to warn us about! I just kept hearing Sheriff 's words in my head, and they got me through every possible sticking point in the field. For example, on my first night out, I had successfully isolated a gorgeous girl and was starting to enter the comfort stage. It was time for me to kiss her. I asked her if she wanted to kiss me and she said, "Yes, but I have a boyfriend at home." Normally, this would have thrown me & I would have recoiled with shame, but I remembered Sheriff 's teachings from class: that there are MANY reasons why a girl will say that she has a boyfriend . One of the MANY reasons is that if she really does has a boyfriend, she may just be saying it to relieve her own guilt for what she's about to do. It's all about PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY. (There's many other reasons, too, including reasons for when she doesn't have a boyfriend at all.) I remembered these SAGE WORDS OF ADVICE FROM SHERIFF , so I continued with the conversation normally, unfazed by her boyfriend line. Within 90 seconds, we were heavily making out on the couch. So funny & eye-opening , because just a month ago, I would never have made it through those critical 90 seconds!!

That is just one tiny example of how Sheriff was able to "predict & penetrate" ideas into our heads, so that they became second-nature to us in the field. Haha -- no pun intended with the word "penetrate".

By the way, Mr. M rivals Sheriff for the "best public speaker" title. Mr. M is clear, concise, prepared, and a wonderful magnanimous speaker as well. Having these two TOGETHER to teach the class was an absolute gift. Mr. M is the master of coming up with catchphrases that you can repeat in your head as a mantra when you are in the field. One of my all-time favorite phrases of Mr. M 's is, "When in doubt, qualify ." This little mantra of Mr. M 's saved me COUNTLESS times in the field.

In the field, Sheriff's eye for sets was uncanny. Sheriff pushed me into sets again & again & again -- sets that I hadn't even noticed existed!! -- until I had absolutely no more approach anxiety to speak of. If you want to overcome your approach anxiety , go out into the field with Sheriff.

Mr. M , in particular, was excellent about giving me COVERT FEEDBACK during my sets & talking me through what was going on during every moment of the sets. As one example, Mr. M noticed a 3-set sitting over at the bar. Mr. M then told me that we should go up to the bar to build proximity... he then started talking to me about small talk stuff, all the while explaining to me under his breath about what social dynamics we were accomplishing at the current moment... until he cued me to open up the set over my shoulder. At one point, I isolated an 8 on a couch in the bar and she was clearly giving me IOI's but I was confused about what to do next. Lo and behold, Mr. M came to the rescue! Mr. M walked up & asked me if I had seen our friend KINO anywhere! A-ha! I needed to escalate kino ! Of course! But when the 8 started giving me shit tests (such as ignoring me to send text messages to other people), I didn't know what to do. Mr. M immediately appeared again to strike up a conversation with us to increase my value again. Once he had re-focused her attention again, he disappeared, thereby transferring her renewed focus onto me. Afterwards, Mr. M debriefed me on the MYRIAD of options I had at my disposal to let her know that what she was doing was rude (and thereby raising my value). But during the set when it was actually happening & there was no time to discuss my options, Mr. M came in and preserved my value. I kiss-closed that 8 and got her phone number.

Every night after spending a full night in the bars, Mr. M and Sheriff debriefed us out on the streets afterwards... just like excellent coaches do with their sports teams. We learned so much from what they were saying right there on the streets, because it was all based on REAL WORLD EXPERIENCES that had just happened a few minutes prior. Our teachers HONED IN ON the EXACT problems that each guy was having, and how they could improve their skills in the future . Mr. M and Sheriff are literally the equivalent of coaches who take their teams all the way to the SuperBowl or the World Series.

Why don't they teach us this stuff in high school or college? This is so much more important than learning physics or chemistry. Social dynamics is absolutely critical for leading a successful & fulfilled life, yet it is virtually ignored in all places of higher education!

Sheriff and Mr. M are not just masters in The Mystery Method , they are masters of LIFE. These men are happy & successful in their lives on ALL levels, not just picking up women. They are leading the lives that they want to lead on a daily basis, and it is clearly obvious from the moment you meet them. From the very second I walked into the seminar room, Sheriff greeted me with a gigantic smile and a warm handshake. I felt instantly welcome. This feeling of welcome continued throughout the entire weekend and never dropped for even a second. That is because when you are a man who is completely self-actualized (like Mr. M and Sheriff are), you have nothing but love & joy to share with the others that are around you. Working with Sheriff & Mr. M was an eye-opening experience on sooo many different levels, not just The Mystery Method . Sheriff, in particular, talked with me at length about all sorts of life-mastery topics that have made his life the bastion of happiness that it is today. Folks, these teachers are the most interesting men you have ever met, OUTSIDE of MM!

Two other very brief notes:

1. Approach Coach Ben was absolutely phenomenal. He taught me more routines & ways of handling situations than I ever dreamed possible. It was due to many of the routines that Ben taught me that enabled me to successfully escalate the interactions with many of the women that I met, and turn some of them into kiss-closes. I also witnessed Ben whispering advice into a student's ear WHILE the student successfully closed a 9. I have a feeling that Ben is going to turn into one of the top MM instructors someday soon.

2. DaHunter was great at teaching his section in class on seduction , and he was also very successful in the field for himself. At one point, he was a great wingman to me in the field. I was faltering with one of my sets in the field, and DaHunter walked up and shot my value through the roof by saying, "Great party, man!". Boom! Instant shot of high value! DaHunter is such an incredible wingman that I wish he spent more time in the field one-on-one with the students, as opposed to working on his own sets.

In summary:

Folks, I am completely new man. I feel like I have finally "gotten my life back" after years of watching all my friends date all the hot girls, while I was stuck wondering where I went wrong. As any Venusian Artist would tell you, this is much more than kissing a girl or even taking a girl home with you... this is about becoming a master of your life.

I honestly wish the bootcamp went on for several weeks! But since it can't go on for that long, I am now continuing to go out in the field on my own & with my new wingman friends, to continually hone my skills. I will report back with further updates on my progress in the future .

For any guy thinking about taking a bootcamp , particularly with Mr. M and Sheriff, I would say that NO PRICE IS TOO HIGH FOR WHAT YOU WILL GAIN FROM THIS BOOTCAMP . THIS BOOTCAMP IS WORTH ITS WEIGHT IN GOLD.

I am a new man.

And Sheriff & Mr. M are the best guides that you could ever have down this path of success.

- Kisser

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Starsnake

Mate, what an amazing weekend. Your progression was amazing. Remember when we were standing in that dodgy chinese restaurant (food for 5 cents...) and we were talking about how much this changes peoples lives? That was a cool moment wasnt it? Im looking forward to speaking to you in future - my advice to you would be not to lose momentum - go out, do sets, PUSH YOURSELF OUT OF YOUR COMFORT ZONE (this is the jey for you, mate, the absolute key), listen and watch the things that I recommended, then give me a call.

Kisser

The 'complete transformation'. Absolutely amazing feeling isnt it? Its facilitating the phenomonal change like what happened to you that makes me do this. My advice? Keep on going. Push the boundaries . Take from everyone and integrate what works, discard what doesnt. But push your boundaries . That was my path to absolute mastery. My success with the playboy playmate was the cumulation of lots of hard work over years. Ill write a field report about it soon (it will probably go onto the OAP (the MM global email) as it was a sarge people are all asking me about). But remember, its not about the hit, its about what goes between it - the improvements you make to yourself and your game that happen when you are not in the arms of a woman.

You guys both rocked. Thank you for your kind words and keep in touch. It's an incredible feeling to have made such an impact on your success with women and your lives.

Wow, great reviews. It was awesome working with everyone, and I predict that you two especially will improve FAST. I'm going out again tomorrow night (Wednesday), so I'll give you each a call beforehand. I expect to see you each there, with your A games.

--Ben

P.S. Starsnake, that "8.5 Brunette" was at least a 9! Come on man, don't short-sell yourself

Just hearing that you guys are going out gives me the urge to do LA all over again. It was a magic, incredible, amazing weekend wasn't it? I've got this itch to sarge with y'all, but London is more than a taxi ride away from LA! I've also got a gorgeous girl behind me reading this now (only an ex benetton model - not a playboy playmate this time haha - and she just hit me) so its not so bad

TheMagicMan - as I recall, I excused you from the final 10 minutes of the last night in LA as your demo was going exceptionally well... let me know what happened!

What's up M! Yeah it was magic indeed, one of the best bootcamps I've been to.

Thanks for the reviews guys, I'm glad you liked the lectures and the demos, it was actually the second time I've spoken in seminar so it's good to hear some positive feedback.

Sorry I didn't spend more time with you guys, sometimes I get stuck on "demo" mode just cause I enjoying girls so much, but to make it up to you I'll give you guys a free 30 min phone consultation on whatever topic or sticking point you guys have.

Just contact me at dahunter@theattractionforums.com with your nick, your real name and your phone number and I'll give you guys a call so we can further improve your game.

Just throwing in an extra bonus, hope you guys take on it and it benefits your life.

Cheers,
Dahunter

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First of all I'd like to express my thanks to Savoy , who arranged for me to participate in this bootcamp after not being 100% satisfied with a previous BC I've taken. So credit goes to him and I can attest to that he does his best to make sure his clients are happy. Accordingly, I must start with a disclaimer for the fact that I haven't been to the first 2 seminar sessions of the BC (due to the arrangement Savoy and I agreed upon), so my review is only based on the in-field portion and the last seminar day. The way I see it, though, the most important part of the BC is the in-field by far (it also costs accordingly, so TMM, at least, sees it that way as well), so this review should be very relevant to ppl considering taking the BC, IMHO.

I'll start with the seminar .
Like I said I can only attest to the last day, but to me it was good - though not as good as it could have been. I mean I've been reading MM and PU stuff for over a year now, I know my theory pretty well. For most of the principles that have good material/books/articles, I don't really need to be lectured on,
and a lot of what the instructors talked about was standart PU/MM/Mystery stuff. I guess It's not their fault, since the seminar has to make sense to total newbies too (and if you are one - the seminar is great for you), but that's just how it felt for me. I do think it can be done differently, because another seminar I've attended, led by Sinn , felt more innovative, original and unique in its approach to a lot of the PU material. Sinn was also very dogmatic about what he taught (not afraid to tell you "do X, everything else is crap" which in my eyes is valuable in order to weed out a lot of the crap there is out there in PU) and good erxercises have been performed (where the instructors would act as sets as you approach, lock in etc.) which I liked A LOT
(Instructors are far less forgiving than girls, so you can really learn a lot). Now don't get me wrong - Sheriff , Mr.M and DaHunter all fucking rocked, and all of them had gems to teach and share in the seminar ... I just think that a different format could have been that much better.

Now for the serious stuff - in field. First of all I would like to take this opportunity to publically thank Sheriff for his unreal hospitality. Like I said I've participated in this seminar as part of an agreement I had with savoy .
what I didn't mention before was the fact we only agreed on 1 night. but when I told that to sheriff HE IMMEDIATELY INVITED ME TO BOTH THE FOLLOWING SEMINAR DAY AND THE SECOND INFIELD PART, JUST LIKE THAT. That's just how great that guy is.

Nights breakdown:
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Night 1. CRAZY student to instructor/approach coach ratio. I'm talking 1:1 if not better, it was just ridiculous, like a TMM meetup or something. Ironically, the venue was pretty much dead...
We still opened sets and as another example of how cool The instructors were, when I suggested bouncing to a different venue my suggestion was immediately accepted and everyone bounced, Mr.M taking huge care that everyone is counted for and everything ticks, all the time keeping us up to date and even debriefing us mid-night in case we couldn't get into another club or something went wrong, making it clear that even if something like that happened, it would be compensated for the following night by a longer sarge. That guy was just as awesome as Sheriff was, really I can't say enough good things about those guys.

Night2. Due to sad circumstances which weren't in the lead instructors' control (one instructor got sick and 2 instructors who were supposed to come didn't show up) the ratio wasn't as good as the first night but still OK.
The venue was better though - not the best imaginbale, but enough to learn from. Now get this. In the end of the night, Mr.M, DaHunter and I continued to hang out and even though no sets were around, we discussed (among other things) several PU issues, including specific sticking points of mine, that helped me out considerably. Like I said, these guys were determined to help the students out and they did more than they were formally obligated to.

Instructors breakdown:
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Sheriff - Like I said, super nice, calm, and willing to help out guy.
Very knowledgable in TMM and always glad to help and clarify even in breaks, after the seminar , etc.
In field I haven't worked with him a lot, but the few times I did he had some good feedback to give me

Mr.M - Awesome. super clear, super willing to help, always has feedback when you ask him, always knows what's up and keeps you in the loop. Just a great guy and a great instructor. And don't worry about his game, he almost FC'd a playboy playmate during the BC.

DaHunter - The surprise of the workshop for me.
Formally he's an approach coach, but I saw him in field and he knows what he's doing. I have "stolen" him several times in both nights for mini 1-1 's where I got some very good feedback. One time I basically eavesdropped an entire sarge of him and got a few pearls out of it. All in all, great job.

TheMagicMan - Great guy, knowledgable in PU.
To be honest I haven't really had the chance to work with him so I can't say much more than that, sorry!

Conclusion
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If you're a newbie - take it. At the very least, it will save you time, which is a very valuable resource in our lives.

If you're doing pretty well - realize you'd probably get some good pointers/tweaks to your game, a couple of gems, and most importantly for me, close most if not all of the little loose ends you had left after studying various resources. Don't expect (like I did) to be in-set with instructors all the time and getting constant feedback. As willing to help as the instructors are, you'd sometimes have to find them, wait for them to finish with other students, you can't hear them because of the noise, they can't hear you, etc. It is far from ideal but it's hard to blame TMM, clubs can be like that. I still believe the entire process could be managed more intelligently
(e.g. pairing an instructor with a student and switching every 10 minutes),
but like I said I learned quite a bit as it was. A 1-1 might be a better option in this case, but since I haven't taken one, I can't say for sure.

All in all I'm happy with my decision and with the way it turned out, and I will consider a 1-1 in the future . In contrast to some of the other reviews you might read here, I'm teling you straight out - the workshop didn't change my life, it didn't open my eyes to whole new worlds, I wasn't amazed by some super phenomenal demos... it simply improved my game - And that's all I wanted. Back home now (I came all the way from Israel), I'm getting good results, and the BCs definitely deserve part of the credit (I take most of it to myself )

Peace,
Ohad

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