Venture & Sterling 10-day Bootcamp - Stockholm, August 2011
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This is an account of my time in Stockholm taking the 10 day bootcamp. I kept this journal whilst I was there and tried (failed) to update it daily. I don't feel the need to write too many general things about my background but I will mention two things as a preface to this:
1. I took a bootcamp with Sheriff 2 years ago.
2. The material taught on this bootcamp is nothing short of revolutionary. All but one of the students had prior training and I think we are unanimously agreed on this (but you can read their accounts).
(3. I've edited this to make it more readable and I fly in and out of tenses. If that annoys you, fk u. )
Arrived in Stockholm late last night and got a decent sleep ready for the bootcamp today. This is going to have to be short because we are going out to soapbar in about 30mins. Cliff notes:
Met Venture, cool guy. We shared our stories and sat around for a while whilst the room was being prepared. This was slightly annoying but no big deal. We talked about inner game in the seminar. It was basically a seminar about learning and how to learn optimally. At this point I am loving the 'natural' direction the bootcamp seems to be heading in. We then did some demos on each other, mine started out poorly but gradually got better and I got excellent feedback from all the instructors, particularly Nick Hoss and Laurent. Feeling really positive about the night out and just cracked open a beer while I get ready. Lets do this!
Day 2, Morning.
So, just woken up after our first night infield. It's 10am now and we start back in the classroom at 2pm. I'm really looking forward to today, Sterling is coming in to teach and I have a great feeling about it. Reading about his background and hearing what the other instructors have said about him I think todays seminar is going to be money. In other news it is unbearably hot in my hotel room, I don't think they have ac anywhere here and it is fucking annoying.
On to positive things. Last night was great! I went for a drink with Herb/Ole in the skybar at our hotel and then we met up with Damian and Greg and walked to Soap Bar, these places have original names… Got in there and it was quite empty, I sunk a vodka redbull pretty fast and got in to my first set with Ole. There was a very cute brunette girl sat with an older blonde friend. I approached pretty tamely and asked about the other clubbing options as the place was dead and I was new to the city. We talked a little bit and the interaction was pretty terrible, I ejected. Not a problem as this was a warm up, but I need to leave these sets well enough to be able to re approach later in the night. Second set was a couple that I had seen Damian talking to earlier in the night. They were sat at the bar and the cute one was dancing this ridiculous sitting down dance so I went and poked fun at her and introduced myself to her and her friend. I was getting more of a reaction from the girl I wasn't really interested in and was talking to her while the other one played on her phone. I noticed the girl I was talking to had four rings on her hand and pointed out this was way too many. Retrospectively I should have found out if this meant she had four husbands but hindsight is a bitch. I try to make hand observations early in a conversation, I like the natural way it seems to kino when you make hand observations. Not sure why I was kinoing the wrong girl tho, brain fart. I lacked momentum with the other girl (she was ignoring me and on Facebook which i tired to tease) and decided to eject. I ejected on a good note, but my whole sequence was poorly calibrated. Should have stayed in set anyway.
The next set was a seemingly cute blonde girl and her not so cute friend. Ole and I approached. As I got up close it became clear that the cute one was quite old which was a bit of a sighball. I ploughed through and chatted to her anyway, she was in to it and we bounced to some seats. We chatted and laughed for a few minutes but I really didn't want to stay in set long with these women since they were really way too old for me. We ejected on a high note which was a bummer since I got poked, prodded, hugged by them every time I tried to make my way from one side of the bar to the other later in the night. Obviously I'm kidding and this is a good thing (social proof) but it did get a bit old after a while. On another note, when you try to get a girl to buy you a drink and she insists you buy her one play roshambo for the round, it's great.
The rest of the night was more of the same. Lots of approaches, very few instant blowouts, probably only one?? which is a huge positive. I feel my approach game is pretty solid and sets generally open well when I'm warmed up. I don't really bother with lines unless its observational humour that I find funny, most of the time I just go in there and say hey hows it going, or if im feeling bold you're really cute what's your name. Opening is all about how you carry yourself and I think I have that well enough to be able to get the attention of most girls. The feedback highlights of the night were Colin telling me how to be a more effective wing and Andy telling me not to sweat the girl i had accosted going in to the venue who had turned around to talk to her apparent boyfriend. I was going to try and open the guy but it just wasn't a good situation to do so. Hopefully there will be a ton more feedback today, there were loads of great instructors in the place! Going to try and drag myself to the gym now, ughhh.
Day 2, Evening.
So, the lecture today was awesome. Sterling is the man and him and Venture compliment each other great as instructors. I won't delve too far in to the content but the new version of game being taught is ridiculous, everything just sounded right to me in my head.
The night out on the other hand was terrible. I was paired with mani and zach who were fun guys and mani did a good job forcing me in to set when I was been a dick and not approaching at the start of the night. I was in my head for the first few hours and got blown out badly on my first few approaches. One girl I went super direct on and the blowout was just fucking brutal. Oh well I know not to attach emotion to this just to perform better, but when you're in field and trying to supress emotion it's kind've a paradox when you're trying to be in state as well. Basically the way I'm typing now is how I felt in field, just completely clusterfucked.
I spent some time with Sterling who sent me in to some sets that went quite badly for the most part. The more I was getting blown out the more I was seeking approval to have a good time and this only ends badly. I was rationalising excuses to myself in my head to not approach. I don't think i've been blown out on approaches half as many times in one night, so yeah it sucked. I had the occasional good set which was encouraging. Hooked a texan girl (which speaking to people afterwards I think everyone did lol) whose friend was occupied by Nick Hoss. Things seemed to be going well until Nick ejected with his girl and pointed out that mine was married. Marv. The lesson from this I learnt from Rockstar Adam is to escalate hard early if there are green lights. I must've missed the green light and not given off a sexual enough vibe, hence why I got owned in to a thirty minute interaction that was going nowhere.
I opened some sets later with Laurent and he is a good teacher and we get along well. I feel comfortable with him in tow and think we can have fun together and don't need to be talking game/approaching all the time. This is what annoyed me most about tonight, just the constant earache of game which was compounded by my own analytical mindset all night. I need to be having fun when I walk in to a club and I need to feel like I am in a club and not in the classroom.
On the plus side I had a great chat with Rockstar Adam on the way home and at the subsequent MAX burger! We seem quite alike and he really seemed to understand what I was going through. I'd love to be paired with him in future, seems like we can just walk in to a bar grab some shots and poke fun at the first girls we see. Talking strategy in the club and about what happened in the classroom earlier in the day is basically the worst thing that can happen other than a physical accident. Need to have fun and let it flow from there.
So I woke up feeling shitty today, last night was a half arsed effort. Failure is one thing, but not forcing myself in to sets and making excuses not to open is pathetic. I need to see no failure just action and inaction. Maybe I am being harsh on myself but it feels like I can give a lot more. I thought I was going to get torn apart by the instructors today but they had some positive things to say as well as some improvements I can make to my overall game. I think one of the things that happened last night is I moved too far away from game in light of yesterdays lecture/day 1 feedback and a lot of my interactions landed me in the cool entertaining but ultimately friend zone. I got one number but it flaked. I kind've expected it would and I wasn't that in to her anyway so whatever. It's always important to try and initiate texting when you get the chance though, its kind've like not opening vs opening. Why do the first?
Today in the classroom we ran through some of the more technical aspects of the new model and it's great and all makes perfect sense. To be honest though, tonight is all about having fun. When I am in that zone I know I can crush. I am going to substitute drinking a decent amount of alcohol with saying some stupid shit for about an hour or so when I enter the venue. Hopefully I have a good pair of wings from PRS to hang out with and be stupid. I hinted at the instructors that I wanted to be paired with Adam but I'm not sure if that will happen. They all seem cool anyway so lets just roll with it. I am getting changed now and I'm looking good! Seriously sometimes I just don't realise how sick my life is. I'm 24 and I get to travel the world playing the game I love and that has taught me so much about life and myself. I'm the youngest guy here and I get to go to stuff like this when guys in their late 30's are only just realising it is the real deal/have the money and spare time to attend. If I just naturally flow from who I am and what I've experienced I'm pretty sure girls can't resist me. Ok, gonna go put the finishing touches together then bounce to the club. Tonight I am going to have a good time and enjoy myself. The girls will be opening me!
Day 3 report:
We went to Berns again which is a moderately annoying venue to pick up but it was probably the best for me to come back here tonight to conquer it. I mean this in the sense that it showed me exactly what was possible if I was in state and having fun from the get go in the same venue, last night was the polar opposite of this. Having experienced the emptiness and disappointment of last night I knew that this was not an option tonight. I could simply not allow this to happen two nights in a row or it would just crush me.
I was buzzing by the time we entered the venue, my first set was a girl who opened me in the cue for the guestlist (I jokingly predicted this above before I went out, this is all in sequence remember!) If I had this a few hours later she would have been going nowhere but home with me but I was still quite cold and just did some teases which weren't really congruent with my mood. Obviously I could not really fuck this up since she opened me but I could have gotten a lot further than just a few minutes fun banter and getting her name. Meh she wasn't that hot anyway.
In to the venue and the instructors weren't there so Herb and I decided to get shit done. Opened a couple of Danish girls stood at a bar upstairs and isolated. We talked for probably 20 minutes and I felt like I was able to storytell and DHV excellently. Sub comms were way too lame and didn't sexualise. Ejected after 20 minutes with a Facebook close. Ok so in to the venue and I'm paired with Adam and Nick, boom! Expressed specifically that I wanted to roll with Adam so I was really happy the guys listened to me. To start with Adam was trying to get me in to just open sets with stupid random stuff. This was hard, really hard at first. Nick made me open a guy with a stupid line I made up, I asked him if he was a pirate. He looked at me funny and I said "oh I thought you had an eyepatch on", I then put my hand over one eye he did the same and we had a laugh. I still have no idea how this works, if some guy did this to me I would look at him funny and probably turn away, which might be why I was reluctant to do it. Don't ever expect reactions negatively or positively, just do. I bounced upstairs with Ole and Adam and had a few LJBF sets like the Danish one, need to escalate harder and push boundaries earlier in the night.
A low point was Laurent asking me to approach a brunette I had already approached and me being like nahh already done that. I had but I could have easily re approached. Too in my head.
Ahha moment when I talk to a girl who'd lived for a year in Vegas, she told me she was a nanny, I thought she said dealer, I asked her if she deals blackjack, she thought I said do you do blowjobs. This created much confusion and hilarity, she was in stitches and the whole thing was completely accidental. I can just imagine the words "do you do blowjobs" coming out of my mouth with the mildly disinterested face I pull when I say "oh you deal blackjack" Hilarious.
State starting to pick up. Just approaching all over the place and can't really think too well of specific sets. Open two girls at the downstairs bar (one cute the other not) as their friend was getting drinks. Hook hard with the hot one when I misinterpret her accent as Australian (seriously misinterpretation for the win). Turn to the other one to give her some attention and slightly turn my back to the target. Works a dream as she starts pandering for my attention. Other girl comes back with drinks we introduce and I am stood in the middle just dominating this 3 set. Not really sure when I should be trying to isolate, how to push pull the group but I had Ole and Adam to wing so that wasn't a problem. I was bringing the guys in to set and telling them where they're from and being the centre of attention/fun guy. Adam came with shots and got me to toast, I chose to toast to pirate bay which was a reference from the warm up set earlier. Who cares if the girls don't have a fucking clue what I'm talking about. Not seeking reaction, having fun. I isolate the cute girl and we are chatting about our lives and its going great. Kinoing etc, and I want her. Qualify on her travel and her skiing, relate to this and do some fun air skiing, everything flowing. I feel a bit like this might be dragging in to the same LJBF shit and I know she's in to me, so I spike some fun and just pull her in close and say ,"you know I think you're really fucking cute". It wasn't perfectly executed but it was 100% genuine and it felt good. She looked happy but taken aback and I noticed the whole dynamic of the way she looked at me had shifted. WARMTH. I was just looking in to her eyes and all I could think was how much I wanted her. Her friends kind've broke the tension and got her attention to leave so I tried to number close. Slight resistance which was weird so then I went for Facebook and she said she had a really 'normal name' so I wouldn't be able to find her. I just look at her like she is a weirdo and ask for her number again. Number close.
After this I was feeling pretty good and bounced around a bit longer, mostly short sets now as it was getting late, a couple of dancing sets which were fun and a good experience to do some high energy sets. Ole's dancing was from a different fucking planet. He just owned this 3 set with his moves. A little later I decide to fire a text to the girl from before since I've been told this is good to do, to get her replying while she's out and in a good mood, still on a high from the interaction. It's getting late now and the club is emptying. Ole and I try to do sets in the smoking area but it is dead/full of trolls. Spend 15mins talking to Nick Adam and Ole and just after 3am Greg Ole and I decide to leave, mood is starting to drop off and the venue is emptying so I think 3am is a fine time to leave.
Come back here and type till half 5 lol so much for an early night. I also just changed my Facebook profile pictures to the most "DHVs't" looking at how hard it was to select which ones was an ego boost! Anyway great night, for me success = fun + more sexuality and teasing early. I know this but as Bruce Lee said, "Knowing is not enough, you must do".
I saw the girl from earlier at the end of the night and we agreed we could text so long as she'd be a fun texter and not tease my skiing. She's away for 5 days from Monday which is a bummer but I can keep the attraction up with texts I'm sure, it felt like we connected pretty deeply. I also seeded the PRS party next saturday earlier. She might have to bring better looking friends though, that might be an issue given what i've heard about the party plans… Time to sleep. Big day tomorrow, every day is a big fucking day for the next 8 days.
P.S. I notice that every time I hit a breakthrough it's because I simply REFUSE for it to be the other way, i.e. night one state vs night two state, getting ljbfd by hot girl who I like erm not again thanks.
"It's better to get pissed off than pissed on" - Stone Cold Steve Austin.
Tough day getting up yesterday, I'm writing this on the monday since I'm exhausted and haven't been able to keep up. Last night left me with such an adrenaline high and I couldn't sleep until about 7am. In the seminar we looked at the new attraction /qualification model today and did some storytelling set pieces. It's funny when I'm in the classroom I can't think of shit to say but when I'm warmed up in the field it's a lot easier as the creative juices are flowing. I must've had a 20minute conversation with the Danish girl last night and just nailed "storytelling" but it wasn't like I'd written it out beforehand. I think because my passions are very genuine I don't really need to worry about this, rather to just realise the model they teach and tweak the way I talk to be more in line with this.
Later on that night we went to soap bar. It was a slightly more low key night on Sunday and the bar was packed with guys. Other nights I might have been in my head for a while thinking wtf is this shoebox bar with a million guys but this night I forced myself straight in to set and was able to have fun. The rockstars helped a ton. There was one pang of regret which came from the second set of the night (2 set). Logistically the set were hard to hook but we had about 5 minutes of banter which was fun. I had Herb with me but it was loud and he wasn't really able to wing effectively with the set up the way it was, them at a closed off table with a big group of guys behind. The one brunette girl was cute as hell though and I could tell by her smile and just general feel that I might be able to generate that feeling of warmth and honest desire that I had had with the other girl last night. I ended up ejecting and hoping to see them later since I didn't want to leave Herb standing for too long, there was really very little he could do to wing, unless I had somehow smoothly navigated my way around the table and between the other guys and my target. Unfortunately I didn't see them again and this was one that got away. Need to force the issue more with girls who I get this feeling with. The rest of the night was solid, I got plenty of approaches in and managed to maintain my 'happy face' as opposed to my 'poker face' thanks to PRS Matt and his vibration iphone app.
Today we did day game. Met Jeremy who is probably one of the most grounded and likeable guys I have ever met. He reminds me a great deal of Sheriff. His day game seminar seemed pretty simple but once you get out infield you realise the importance of some of the minor subtleties. It is the simple things that count. I got good feedback on being more expressive and had some good sets, although none of them gave numbers I got Facebooks and an email. This was my first time ever doing day game and it was thoroughly enjoyable. It is a little tedious approaching sets that you aren't that genuinely attracted to but as Jeremy mentioned this is good practice for the ones that really matter. The rush you get from this incredible! I love the rawness of it and when that comes out in your vibe and subcomms you can generate warmth almost instantly. Even the blowouts aren't so bad, they usually just smile or at worse look slightly confused and then go on their merry way. Day game is definitely for me.
P.S. Judah opened this stunning brunette, probably the hottest girl I have ever seen and he owned it and number closed after she said she had a bf. Everyone was buzzing for him and he was walking on water for a while. Great to see this stuff.
That night we had the option of going out and so obviously I ended up going out. Plan was to have a low key night and just do a few approaches and chat with the guys a bit. Unfortunately we ended up in soap bar which is a very intense and crowded venue. It would be accurate to call it the opposite of 'chill'. Anyway Damian and I decided to tear it up on the dancefloor and have a few drinks which was fun. Opened some sets, one girl seemed pretty in to it and I bounced her outside, it felt like it was going good as I teased her and bantered but she had a friend which made it a bit awkward. Also was semi drunk and I doubt I qualified much lol. I held off the friend for a little while but she eventually dragged her back inside and that killed it. Was about to leave and then Zach showed up. Zach likes to drink and he likes to hit on women. I also enjoy this so we shared our 'passion' and stomped around the bar getting hammered looking for girls. This isn't great practice and I wouldn't dream of doing it on an infield night but it's definitely fun to do once in a while. We stayed till closing and ended up getting nowhere. There was some potential for getting some girls back to Zach's hotel and also a 2 set from day game that had text me back from earlier at about 2am. Unfortunately nothing hooked logistically and I went back to the hotel pretty drunk (via max burger of course). It would be really nice to get my end away in the coming days, I'm trying not to jerk off at all while I'm here to keep my sexual energy high, but it's getting pretty tough.
Last night was a bad idea. I was exhausted this morning and we had a day game seminar at 10am followed by infield. I almost slept in for an hour or two but I knew I couldn't miss this, Jeremy is just too good and day game is too awesome. In the seminar he hit on some relationship stuff as well as logistical escalating and social circle game; a very well rounded seminar. He also digged deeper in to some more feedback and tried to get us out of storytelling mode. I feel a lot of us concentrate on verbals way too much instead of just genuinely being with this girl because she is fucking hot and you're a man and you want her. This involved pinging off each others sub comms and as Andy has mentioned 'seeing the girl for the girl'.
My first few opens this afternoon were a bit weak and I was really not in the mood due to my hangover. You just kinda have to force yourself through it though because that first good set gives you a real injection of energy and drive. I winged Jeremy as he opened these absurdly hot 15 year old (yes 15) 2 set. That might sound creepy but all I will say is that the girls in Sweden are a lot more developed both physically and socially and you just have to really see it and experience those interactions yourself to appreciate that. My winging sucked. I briefly chatted to the other one but it is fucking tough to relate to a 15 year old girl from Sweden when you're a 24 year old guy from England. I learnt a lot watching Jeremy anyway. He just held it down and ploughed through, his frame is unshakable, at times amusingly so.
Later on we shuffled the groups around a bit and I got some great feedback from Laurent in particular. He told me to be slightly softer and less dominant in my body language and to smile more. Everyone seems to think my natural face reverts to somewhat of a frown so I guess that is true. Maybe this is something I picked up playing poker. It's really hard spending so much time conditioning yourself to be unemotional/expressionless and then going in to something like this where you have to be very expressive and in line with the emotions that should be shining through when you're cold approaching in the day. I might take improv classes or something when I get home to try and help with this. Either way I noticed that the softer more vulnerable body language worked a lot better. The second thing I learnt today was to really slow down the opener, and you can even re compliment later in the interaction if you really have a lull in the conversation. Something like, "yea wow my friends are going to think i'm crazy now but i just had to come and say something". I might do this if i find myself going too hard in to storytelling mode. It's a quick fix for now anyway.
Tonight I considered going out for an hour or so/going up to the hotel bar. It's got to 2am now though and I'm probably just going to watch a couple of episodes of Curb Your Enthusiasm to get my disassociative humour fix. Sometimes you have to be realistic with expectations of yourself and for now I feel it will do me good to recharge the batteries, take in some of what I have learnt and really go on the charge tomorrow night. I felt my excitement dip today a little bit and I think a night off will rekindle that excited energy that helps me be in a good fun state on nights out.
Up for Mr M's talk today at 10am. I still couldn't sleep until around half 4 last night despite been pretty tired. Judah and I are having the same problem and agree that it's down to all the emotions and information we have been processing during the week. It's so intense and such an emotional roller coaster! When I sit down to sleep all I can think of is funny shit to say and how I might have done sets differently and how I'm doing overall, or one nugget an instructor came out with that day that stuck with me. My brain is in overdrive, but when I'm in the classroom my mind is blank a lot of the time when it comes to the creative stuff.
Mr M's seminar was really good and got me excited about the opportunities I can create back home. My free time and flexibility with when I work should really allow me to build up bonds quickly if I spend enough time at it. Manuel went after me big time on my fashion over lunch. After lunch we went shopping and he picked some stuff out that I tried on, it was all tight as shit and made me look like I was here for pride week. I then put the t-shirt I was wearing back on and asked the store girl how it looked to which she responded it was a much better fit Anyway, I am plenty open to changes and willing to try anything. It opened me up to taking advice from other people in the program which is always a good thing.
After the second part of the seminar today I had a sit down with Sterling and Venture for some extensive feedback. They're such good mentors and I feel very fortunate to be here. Sterling in particular is incredibly good at getting deep in to the head of a person and knowing what makes them tick. This is something I can relate to in poker. You really have to feel someones tendencies and mood to be able to manipulate them in to making mistakes and giving you money. In this case there are two things which make me tick, brutal honesty and encouragement. I received both and thought that everything that was said was bang on the money. I sometimes need the latter because I am so hard on myself and I struggle to outwardly express myself to others. To hear them talk about the potential they see in me was inspirational and makes me want to push myself harder and harder every time I go out.
"Realise you're supposed to reach for the skies, never let somebody try to tell you otherwise". The Roots- The Fire. I listen to this song every night before I go out to try and pick my mood up. Edgar mentioned a tattoo and I might get this on my inside forearm, it's a pretty good mantra to live your life by, and it has a lot of personal meaning for me.
The night out was a good one. We went to Cafe Opera and I was full of energy. Herb and I had some banter with our warm up set and it was probably one of my best first sets so far. It's a shame I didn't see the girl again because she was just my type, cute brunette with a big smile and kinda badass fashion sense. Anyway we moved on and I found myself winging with Adam. I isolated the girl away from the group and was ploughing through some banter instantly. I don't even remember what I said which is usually a good sign… flow. During the set no less than 3 of the Rockstars interrupted and dhv'd me hard which was so awesome. It was incredible just watching her face light up as they came over to me one by one and shook my hand/explained how awesome I was. I made out with the girl a few times which was a bit of a breakthrough for me been able to escalate so quickly in a club. Anyway she had to go off and find her friends who had left to another part of the club so I number closed and pinged her a text about an hour later. Adam had hooked the other one too so there was a good chance it would be on later despite the third wheel who was in a LTR. Long story short, we (I?) fucked it up later when we saw them. It wasn't a complete disaster/relationship ender but I know what I did wrong and you can guarantee I won't be doing that again. Not banging a hot girl who is in to you because you did xyz is pretty fucking good negative reinforcement.
The other sets in the night went well and I got one other number close and had some good fun winging. I didn't get much warmth from many other sets that night but I had a great time and really felt a detachment from my sets that gives off that vibe of abundance I generally lack. I've learnt to get the last word in if I get blown out and I've learnt that if it's something stupid and funny it really keeps me in the mood to plough through in to more sets. Other nights I've had lulls in my mood but these were rare tonight.
I'm losing track of the days, just haven't been able to keep up with this. It's Saturday (day10) as I'm writing now.
Ok so on Thursday we debriefed in the morning and in the afternoon I went shopping with Edgar. Apparently I need more of an 'edge' so I was happy to roll out and just try anything. Long story short I got, 1 pair of boots, 2 pairs of jeans, two v necks a suit jacket and a leather jacket. Spent a ton of money on all this stuff but can't really have a budget when it comes to recreating your style. I've spent more in Spearmint Rhino in a night and I reckon I'l save a bunch of money getting laid and not ending up in there :P. Edgar was great, he got really in to it which made it a lot easier for me going through the grind of trying out all these different clothes. We spent a good 4-5hrs shopping and I enjoyed Edgar's company, he's a very smart guy and a great teacher. He opened a girl selling electricity on the street and the 3 of us bantered for a while. It gave me a great feeling for day game banter and I picked up a number of useful things, notably the fake handshake! I was feeling very tired in the evening and ended up staying in. Friday was going to be a big one and I didn't want to leave anything in the locker because I was too tired.
Ugh, woke up with a horrible sore throat and very tired. Despite lights off being around 2, I couldn't sleep till half four. Every night is like Xmas eve here! I was hoping we would have been doing day game in the afternoon and that I could excuse myself to rest up for the night. We ended up doing a very intensive seminar covering a few more advanced aspects of sexualisation as well as same night lays and phone and text game.
So getting ready for the night out we were due to go to Sturrecompagniet which is a club I hadn't been to yet. I put on my new outfit and was feeling pretty good as we made our way to the club. Unfortunately it was dead in there and very loud. When the AC's/Rockstars/Instructors got there we bounced to Berns. I was really pushing it tonight and decided I was going to try push some boundaries sexually. I made out with a girl within 5 minutes after leonhart and I had set up a gay lovers role-play that we bantered off. It ended with me telling her "il show you how fucking gay I am" before I cupped her face her and kissed her. Nick forced me in to another set and I guess this was designed to be a massive takeaway?! I opened some more and didn't see the girl I kissed from earlier but no big deal. Got a couple of number closes, one off a very hot italian girl and a Facebook from a cute arabic girl. Was generally just having a good time winging and bantering with the guys. Sets opened very well tonight which I can probably attribute to my sharper look and my mood. At the moment I think one of my sticking points is that when I think I'm going to SNL a girl that I find very attractive I over reach and blow it. My logical brain kicks in because I have no reference experience. I have only ever had 2 SNLs and they weren't in the 'very attractive' category. I need to work on this because it's something I want out of game at the moment.
Woke up today feeling very tired and a bit sick. Also on a bit of a high and had a weird euphoric feeling knowing that this was coming to an end and that I would be pushed out in to the big wide world to make things happen on my own. I had my final intensive debrief with the lead instructors. It was quite emotional for me talking to these guys who had helped me so much in such a short space of time. They gave it all they had and I will always be grateful for that.
Afterwards I got lunch with Judah at this awesome place on the riverside. The best way I can describe it is "the coolest living room in the world". Judah and I shared some stories about our lives and I enjoyed our chat. It's amazing how much you can open up to like minded people who just take things in with no judgement whatsoever. It is incredibly liberating and enjoyable to be able to not hide anything from anyone.
This has been the most incredible ten days of my life and the way the new model works just makes me feel so good about myself. I know where I have to take my game now and I know that some of the other things holding me back in my life can be easily overcome with the skills and mindsets I have learnt in the past 10 days. Thanks to all the guys I have met here in Stockholm, you have all been fantastic. Special thanks to Rockstars Adam and Edgar who spent a lot of time with me during the week helping me out with unwavering enthusiasm.
All the best,
P.S. Greg, if you're ever looking for some warmth in those text messages, just read those last few paragraphs
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I attended the 10 day bootcamp this summer in Stockholm and it just has been an incredible experience. At the beginning Venture and Sterling told us that we would not recognize ourselves after these 10 days and that they could change our lives. That was true. I must say I just don’t recognize myself anymore and because I’m just another guy I also have in front of me the perspective of another life. By another guy I mean the true guy inside me who did not show up yet but always wanted to. The new model they taught us is just that powerful.
Before the bootcamp I was learning the game, for example routines I tried to implement in my interactions. But my behavior had become mechanical and I had just no understanding of the interaction and the energy which was involved in it. I understand now that the real problem was that after so many failures I treated girls as opponents. I was playing against them or maybe worse : without them. I could just tell routines without even asking to myself the question : what do I really want with women in my life? I knew I was missing something because I was not having fun.
The model they taught us is ridiculously simple ok, but when you dive into it there is one point soon where your whole perception of women and of yourself is going to change radically. When you reach this point everything changes, your goals in life, how you feel about yourself, your interactions with people in general and also the way you perceive happiness.
The reason for this is that what Venture and Sterling taught us is about the real interaction between a man and a woman. It’s a model about the real you interacting with the real girl and how you create an intense connection between you two. So this stuff is simple but deep. I would say that for me this stuff gave me simple tools to access very easily and quickly some parts of my personality which were holding back my game. It also gave me the tools to turn these parts into positive in a way that it now enhances my game and my life in general. The best example I can give is that the first day every coach said to me that my first sticking point was that I was aggressive and mechanical with women. At the end of these 10 days I was in a complete connection with the women I was interacting with. On the last Sunday I went on a date and I can tell that feeling such a deep connection with a woman has been really rare in my life. And I had spent with her only one hour at this point. After this experience I think that I will never see women as opponents again. I understand now how much women are important in my life and how much men need them but also how much they need men.
I’ve really changed my way of learning the game too. When I first began to learn this stuff I guess I just wanted to prove to myself I could do it. Now my goals are totally different. I want to continue learning this stuff because I know that if I do there will be so much more things to live with women. I want to be a man that has the ability to give to women this kind of intensity and I want to enjoy these moments as well. I know learning this game is hard work but it’s just worth it because it is so rewarding. It’s also a much broader goal now. I know that by doing this I will improve myself and enhance the lives of women and more generally people around me and I feel good about that.
Of course I did not change all at once during the date I was talking about. It’s just that at this moment I realized for the first time how much I had learned and changed during these 10 days. Because I was so different now, this girl was ok to live in the moment and behave and feel in a different and really intense way.
Back home I took a week off for night game to rest and did only a few approaches during the day, but I still had two dates. An enormous change is the quality of the girls I’m talking to now and I feel really more confident approaching the kind of girls I’m really into I mean hot girls.
I want to give another example just to show what I mean by being another guy. A great sticking point was my lack of confidence. The first days of the bootcamp I was ejecting from sets even going well because I thought I was annoying the girls. Now after bootcamp : Instant date from Daygame with hot tourist, she has to go soon I set up a date for the day after. She does not show up. Before I would have thought she’s a bitch and then the usual : what did I do wrong? And the even more usual : what do I need more to finally become attractive?... Now I’m confident enough to think she still wanted me. So the “before bootcamp (aggressive) text” would have been: “I went to this date you didn’t come I missed this good party with my best friends because of you.” Compare now with what flows naturally in my mind now : “Such a pity you could not come. I wanted to show you an incredible place in Paris. Let’s keep in touch”. I guess she understood that this incredible place was my bedroom because she just answered back. And this is certainly not a routine because I’m sure that the first guy even texting the second text would have got no answer. His goal was to get laid to feel attractive. Now I’m happy not because she answered but just because I interacted with this woman in a true way that makes me happy. I don’t even know and don’t care if this text was good or bad game. My real success here is that when I understood she wouldn’t come, my mind didn’t even flinch about the fact that she wanted me and automatically looked for an external reason the girl had not been able to overcome. And her answers proved I was right.
I just add this paragraph here today (after all the rest of the review had been written) to show I’m not only speaking about inner game changes but also results. Yesterday I go for my 5 approaches and just get a very fast same day lay. I used really all the stuff I had learned during this bootcamp and this stuff really works. This hot and adorable Russian girl was on her way to friends. After half an hour of all this stuff she was on fire. We went to her friends she took five minutes to tell them she wanted to stay with me and we came back home. What I understood here is that this is the quality of the interaction which really matters. I had been able to make this girl feel like a real woman. I didn’t count but she must have said thank you something like 10 times.
If this radical change has been possible it’s also thanks to all the coaches and Rock Stars who literally did all they could to help the students. We have spent 10 days out in the clubs of Stockholm always with someone watching us and giving feedback and advice. Plus the Daygame workshop in the middle of the week. It has just been like 10 nights 1 on 1, and even better. I still remember this debrief on the 5th day I think where 4 different coaches had watched and analyzed my interactions from 4 different angles. Each coach had a different style and they all taught me different things. So these infield sessions allowed me to make massive progress. The first night my level was at the point where Venture had to tell me I was just not part of the party. I was just looking at people amusing themselves in the bar and had no energy at all. The last day in the club I was happy and amusing myself a lot but also two of the coaches agreed about one of my interactions that I was running really good game. Anyway I could see how differently the girls were responding to me at the end of the 10 days. During the last two nights I experienced things like : a girl that I had kinoed earlier come straight to me from quite far away and put herself into my arms without saying a word and leaving her friend alone behind. To compare the first night I was unable to open and was lucky if I could deliver my opener before she leaves.
There has been a lot more during these 10 days. The inner game and social circle mastery have been really enlightening. Based on the new model the phone and text game seminar has just been powerful. Venture and Sterling explained to us that using only text you can move the interaction so far that you can behave like her boyfriend when you see the girl. Before this text game seminar I didn’t know what to do with a number. Now I just understand what I should text and why. All this is based on the new model which is so simple than once you get used to it you know exactly what to do in any situation (first meeting, text or date). Another way I understand this stuff is that you can say to a girl she’s beautiful in a way she does not even take this as a compliment and you can also just order a hamburger with such a delivery that you can make her attracted to you. As an example for months I wanted to date this girl at the restaurant near my home. She wouldn’t say a word to me or even look at me. I went once in this restaurant since the bootcamp. She’s now speaking to me making strong eye contact and making me understand she wants more. The important fact is that she’s so busy there that there is no opportunity to speak more than a few casual words each time she passes by. Next time I go to get a date.
All coaches have given their best to change our lives. So I thank all of them because they all helped me more than a lot. Maybe more particularly I want to thank Edgar who gave me so much energy and helped me in every area of the game. Laurent of course who was here to help me at every moment of these 10 days. Lonhart who helped me going through difficult moments and becoming so much more confident. Nick who gave me this positive energy I was lacking so much. But the fact is that each coach helped me in a very important way at one moment or another during this bootcamp.
We had so much fun and good moments. On the second day I was just unable to stop girls when they were walking in the club so Jack decides to take care of this and to show me the way to do it. I just couldn’t do it but at once it just clicks so I stop this girl I mean really stop her and open her. What I just didn’t see is that there was the boyfriend trying to pull her with the other hand away from me and she was just standing here looking at me. There was this other girl kinoing on me like crazy in front of her boyfriend to the point I had to decide to get away from her before things get worse. One of the moments I learned the most was with the hysterical crazy blond. Laurent explained to me what I should do but that was too far beyond my skills. Then Edgar explained to me what really happened between me and her. Because I was holding all the pieces together something really clicked in my head about how women react and what they are looking for in a man. Anyway the great moments have been so numerous and again we had so much fun…
Thank you both Venture and Sterling for all what you taught in this bootcamp which just enhanced my life and changed me so radically… This model has been powerful enough to make this happen but you also communicated so much of your passion for dating science and for women that you have been able to make me feel this same passion. All of you guys bring happiness to people’s lives and you give us the tools to improve ourselves and give happiness to people around us. Thanks to your work and your teaching you give us the chance to avoid this life of regret which is the worst thing that can happen. I will keep up the hard work for sure (night and day game as well) and build from where I am already. There are so many rewarding moments in perspective.
All the best
- 08-18-2011, 11:33 AM #4
The 10 day boot camp in Sweden was phenomenal. I’m not going to go into the day by day details since some of the previous reviews cover the details.
If you are serious about being the best in anything whether it be game, business, or exercise you need to dive in head first and give it your all. I decided a few months back that I wanted to take my game to the next level. I didn’t just want to be good with women, I wanted my game to be epic. When I saw the 10 day boot camp in Sweden not going was not an option.
One reason I’m a big fan of love systems in general is that they deliver. I knew the 10 day program in Sweden would be incredible and it was. It gave all of the students a chance to improve on all aspects of their game – day-game, night-game, inner-game…etc – literally covered every aspect.
The lead instructors Venture and Sterling were awesome. The new model they are teaching is so organic and so real. You can feel the truth in what they are teaching and I had tons of ‘light bulb’ moments throughout the 10 days. It was amazing how we spent 10 days without learning a single routine and my game sky-rocketed and I hooked so many awesome girls on such a deep level in both the day and night.
What I love about the new model is how real it is. I’ve been working on my game for a while and there was always something that didn’t quite jibe well with me. Whenever I would use gamey lines or canned routines I felt like I wasn’t letting my inner-awesomeness shine through. With the new model it’s all about letting your inner-awesomeness shine through, physical escalation and sub-communication – essentially learning to be a man, letting her know that you are man, conveying your warmth and love of the feminine, and expressing your desires. The amazing thing is that 95% of these things can all be conveyed non-verbally. I experienced that first hand.
As an example, on one night after the new model started to click for me, without being gamey( but focusing on warmth and other essential parts of the new model) I hooked a girl really hard in the first 5-10 minutes. I knew it was on with her. There was this bubble around us and her eyes were glazed over. She was so into me it was crazy(of course she was since I’m awesome). It’s the best feeling when you can create that bubble and I was able to do it in an incredibly short amount of time. The best part is that at the end of the night the logistics got all messed up because of her friend and I ended up going into a different club with a friend and taking home this 6’2(w/ heels) amazing Swedish girl. Once you get the abundance mentality it doesn’t matter if you lose some girls because you know you have the ability to attract more of the best. Simply put, the new model is revolutionary and awesome and I could not recommend the program more highly. No joke it was seriously the bomb.
Additionally, Jeremy soul came for a few days to teach us day game. He’s an amazing teacher and teaches an awesome program. Day game is amazing since it turns every single day into an adventure. Now that I am back in NYC, every time I step out my door I’m excited for the beautiful women I’m going to approach. Working with Jeremy in field was a great as well. It is important to know theory of course but observing approaches and listening to what instructors are saying and their body language is extraordinarily helpful. Even if you can’t make it out to Sweden the next time this program is run I definitely recommend taking a day-game workshop. It makes life so much more exciting especially for those that don’t have time to go out and party.
To end off, I’d say for those that keep reading review after review trying to figure out whether to take a boot camp or not – just do it! They are awesome. If you combine the programs with your own personal goals regarding game and keep at it you will see phenomenal results.
Thanks again to the LS team that was in Sweden. You guys rocked it!
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J rock could u elaborate on this "new model" ? how is it exactly?
- 08-22-2011, 05:07 PM #6
We taught a very natural style of game that requires no lines, canned routines or tactics. It was a completely different approach.
The industry started out with Mystery and his "neg theory" crap, then moved past it towards a methods-based approach that wasn't predicated on a hatred of women. From there, Love Systems has really pushed the boundaries of what we do into self help and inner game, and leaned towards a model that married methods with principles. The principles being predicated on becoming the person you always wanted to be rather than pushing buttons to elicit responses. The reviews of our standard bootcamps speak volumes of the transformations people achieve, not just with girls but in their life in general after going through a program with us.
The new model ("Game 3.0") consolidates all of this and incorporates a number of new elements and perspectives we have come up with. We took what all the greats have achieved in this industry, incorporated our own developments, and distilled it all into something which can best be described as "simple, potent and genuine." We've left a lot of the methods behind and re-shifted the focus to make the program nearly 100% about principles. The end result is a style of game which from the get-go is almost completely indistinguishable from what a "natural" does, and more importantly, how a "natural" feels. This is essentially the end destination for anyone who gets extremely good at "learned game" anyway - instructor standard in other words.
I developed the foundation of the model prior to Project Rockstar and Sterling, independant of what I was doing was working on some very similar principles concurrently. When we met, the synergies were perfect and we used Project Rockstar and NYC as our breeding ground to flesh everything out and build our model together.
The results have been amazing. Not only with the ten day students, but with the Project Rockstar students who were the guinea pigs for my new model.
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Oh cool, sounds u are going at the same route as RSD now, I know they started thinking in these ways some years ago too!
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- 08-29-2011, 05:53 PM #10
Aside from RSD’s umbrella statement that they teach a more “natural” approach to game (who doesn’t claim that nowadays…), the substance/content of what we taught bore almost no resemblance to anything I've ever seen from an RSD bootcamp or product.
We developed a consolidated new model that touches on a lot of pre-existing components. For instance, there is a heavy component of inner game which feeds from the innovations of a number of Love Systems pioneers (thanks Mr.M / Braddock), some other guys in the broader industry, and from our own personal study of an extensive variety of texts and studies ranging from psychology to neurobiology.
But in addition to all this, there is an overarching element which comes primarily from Sterling and my developments which really make this special. That element in particular is something I haven’t seen anywhere else and was a big component of what made Project Rockstar and the 10-day bootcamp so successful. Essentially, it is the concept of “warmth” and is something that radiates into a number of principles which drive some of the best, hardest-hitting game.
It all started when Sterling and I conducted a detailed breakdown and blow-by-blow analysis of my game, which a number of instructors at this point have said is some of the best they’ve ever seen. Every instructor graduates the baseline theory into their own style, and mine happened to be one that lent itself towards 10-minute SNLs on one end, and getting the hottest girls to melt and fall in love at record speed on the other – in other words, the full package. We also looked at the elements of the guys we personally felt had some of the best game we’d come across (kudos to Mr. M, Braddock, DaHunter, Daxx, Future, etc…).
As we’ve seen in hundreds of students, great game can be achieved by practicing the mechanics of “learned game” (i.e. the skillset of attraction, qualifying, building rapport, etc…) to the point of proficiency. Essentially this is the same way a basketball player gets good at basketball after shooting thousands of hoops. Given that you are dealing with human interactions though, game works slightly differently. There is an extra element (beyond getting the mechanics down point) that often comes later and it usually occurs when a student of learned game lets go of the routines and theory because he has done it so so much he feels completely at ease in the presence of beautiful women. I personally feel that for most people it is completely necessary to bridge from great to phenomenal game.
A number of people have made this leap, and these are the guys that are hooking up consistently with legitimately hot girls. Not cute girls, not girls that are just fun with great personalities, but true stunners. For this subset of guys, this leap has been made, consciously or unconsciously, to a heightened plateau where game stops being mechanical and about perfecting skillsets, and takes on a more liquid, feelings-based form of its own that mirrors a naturals game. This exact bridge and a rapid path too it is what our program (and this year’s Project Rockstar) was teaching.
At the core of this feelings and principles based game is this thesis: a genuine love of women and the willingness to embrace your own masculinity, which in turn allows girls to completely and comfortably embrace their femininity. It's at the core of our very essence of manhood, and the polarity it attracts (the femininity it draws out in girls) - . allowing them to be who they are, unguarded and real, delicate, soft, sincere, beautiful, sexy, cute, weak in parts/strong in others is very addictive. Understanding and accessing this was the first step to reaching a much greater depth of connection, while removing good looking girls from a pedestal so many guys view them on. It in essence is the flip of the switch that levels the playing field and turns guys into the ones that "get it."
The thesis is cool, but the real gold comes in the form of the substance Sterling and I distilled from these principles and ideas. As the Rockstar participants and 10-day bootcamp students can tell you, wrapped within are numerous concepts and components we developed which provide a structure and practical platform to teach and execute from. We developed not only an exhaustive theoretical seminar series but also a series of practical toolboxes anyone can use to emulate what from the outside would appear to be completely natural game. It’s simple, potent and above all genuine. It's almost game without the "game" element.
More than anything, as Karacoma mentioned in his review, it’s a style of game that “makes you feel good about yourself.” Or as Badcat stated, “it’ll completely change your perspective on women.” The bottom line is that you feel genuine running what we’ve developed, and that’s something that goes a long way, for you, and for the girl you’re getting to know.
The results speak for themselves.
One of the guys who reviewed above pulled a same-day-lay shortly after program. A couple other guys pulled same-night-lays throughout the week. And this year’s Project Rockstar program set a record with the guys having slept with ~3x more girls than any of the programs of years’ past. Moreover, it’s safe to say that about half of the Rockstar class is already at instructor-standard after only just 6 weeks of training.
It is uncertain at this point whether or not we will ever teach this program again as it was incredibly tough on everyone involved. Given that the material is focused on transferring mindsets more so than acquiring the knowledge of mechanical skillsets, it took a bit of time for what we were teaching to marinate into place. It’s probably safe to say that it didn’t really “click” for many of the students until the Thursday/Friday of the program.
That said, for the students and the Rockstars that got to experience it, and it was all of them, Sterling and I can confidently say that the 10-day program essentially cut out 6 to 18 months of practice that is required to get to an amazing level of game. The students will tell you themselves, they were completely unrecognizable by the time we were through with them.
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