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Mr M Bootcamp - London, March 2010 (w Keychain, Soul, Rokker, 5.0, Sheriff & Savoy)
I'm the blondish guy from Belgium and first of all it was amazing and i would like to thank all of the instructors and approach coaches for doing a great job and making it a super fun and productive weekend.
This bootcamp was pretty special (so i've been told, i wouldn't know cause it was my first) There were actually more instructors than students. I had the pleasure of meeting Mr M, Keychain, Soul, Rokker, 5.0, Sheriff, Savoy and a lot of approach coaches.
The seminars during the daytime were really useful and very interactive. Explaining body language from a book is very hard but seeing it live in front of you is what makes you really see it and learn it. Time just flew by and the seminars often lasted half an hour longer to try and answer every question and to get as much info in as possible. They also made it a very fun process with funny anecdotes from time to time and sometimes it was just hilarious and the whole room was laughing like there's no tomorrow.
The in field part of the bootcamp was just amazing. The first night was all about opening and transitioning. The instructors told us to warm up and just get into set without any pressure. I opened around 15 sets with opinion openers and the last set with a direct opener. I have never in my life opened direct before and i don't think i would have ever done it if it wasn't for an instructor asking me to try it. Most sets opened well and I was able to chat with them quite a while, which was the point of the first night. At the start i worked with Stephen and he gave me many good pointers and his feedback was really helpful. Halfway through the night i worked with Keychain and he showed me a couple of really cool routines when i was in set and he was winging me; also his seminar about sexualization was awesome. Near the end i also worked with Mark and his mindset and his beliefs are incredible. He is so motivational and inspirational and his skills are great too. The place was starting to get empty and there weren't much more sets to open. After the music stopped and most people were out of the club there was a small debrief with the students and the instructors.
The day after we covered attraction and qualification in the seminar and now it was starting to get really fun. I was issued to go to another club the second night. It was a larger, louder, more high energy club. Here is where i learned the most and opened A LOT of sets, I estimate around 35. At the start i was with Mr M. And he told me to open him to see my bodylanguage. It's amazing what he can pick up from your bodylanguage. He sees the tiniest little nuances "normal" people wouldn't even see. He gave me tons of feedback on that and i actually had to put it in my phone so i won't forget some of the stuff he said. After that i rolled with Jon doing opinion openers. The sets didn't hook at all, this was starting as a very bad second night, it was alot worse than the first night. This was until Jon said that opinion openers aren't working out for me and that he thought direct would work better for me. I didn't want to hear this. Like i said before: Before the bootcamp i never even did a direct approach and it scared me to do it now too. But i did it anyway and it worked so much more better, it was amazing. I tried to incorporate the advice Mr. M had given me earlier that night and a lot of sets opened really well. At some point I switched approach coaches again and was with GaŽl for the rest of the night. I went direct all the time and it was under his guidance that i had a few small successes like phone numbers and girls buying us shots, kisses on the cheek and an almost kiss close if i didn't get majorly cockblocked by her friend He also told me to escalate quicker and to go for the phone number more often as i was getting attraction. I did a lot of sets and towards the end my social anxiety was almost zero. This is where he pushed me into crazy sets, each set crazier than the last one. For example: A super hot girl surrounded by guys and obviously her boyfriend. I really started to have great fun at this point and i didn't really care anymore in a good way. At the end of the night i was very tired but satisfied.
Next day was a large debrief and alot of feedback on what our sticking points are and what we need to work on. Soul's session on daygame was amazing. This was completely new material to me. Most of the other info we got in the seminars was at least somewhat familiar to me but this was something i never heard before. Sheriff also did an part on relationships which he normally doesn't do anymore so it was pretty exceptional.
Overall the bootcamp was great and i learned a lot. The instructors and approach coaches are really amazing fun and surprizingly normal people. The atmosphere was great all the time.
Maybe one small negative thing. After the daytime seminar we didn't have much time to practise/look at/review the material we were taught and it was impossible to remember all of it in field.
Thanks guys this weekend was totally worth it and possibly one of the best weekends of my life so far. I also want to thank my fellow students who were great people and wish them alot of success in their journey to become great with women.
For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.
I also attended the same bootcamp.
1) I quite liked Jim's style. He was not too theory focussed and also simplified considerably (the 3 cups analogy for example). He also kept it interactive so we could interrupt and ask questions to help better understanding.
2) Jim made an effort to spend time with everyone of the candidates in the in-field sessions and work with them personally, which I thought was really good.
3) Jim also demo'd me (i.e. pretending I was a HB), which I thought was really useful-because I experienced the confidence and sexuality that came across and I realised that I need to portray the same in-field
4) Keys gave a great seminar on sexuality and kino.
5) Soul was really excellent on day-game
6) Sheriff was also very good on relationships
7) The in-field sessions, in particular were excellent and where all the difference happens
8) With regards to theory, it was quite clear that Jim and the other instructors were trying to teach beyond the theory, through their experiences and the natural evolution of theory from practice - which I thought was value add
9) the number of instructors relative to students was excellent and really helpful
1) I was quite uncomfortable with the photographers and did not trust them. Would have much preffered without the photographers being there. You can always set up photography sessions separately
2) The venue could have been much better for the day-time seminars-you needed more than one room
Bottom line: the seminar and whole programme is extremely focussed on cold approach in a night club. I genuinely believe that the bootcamp is an excellent first step to really start improving night club game. I also like to think of this as the bread and butter: once you get really good at this, it will make a huge difference to other areas of life where you could look to pick up: day game and social circle mastery, as an example. For me personally, I belive that I understand what I need to do to become good at night club game (which I did not the day before the bootcamp commenced). In fact, I not only understood, I was getting better within two days. Thanks to Jim and all the instructors for making this happen.
Great Job retoke, don't let the approach Gene disapear now and follow KeyChain's advice : approach 1 girl a day to keep it up .
Keep in touch
Yeah for sure , already put it into practise right after the bootcamp and i'm truly enjoying it, it's great
For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him.
I also attended the bootcamp, The seminar part was very interesting and entertaining, Mr.M lecture on body language was most exceptional, especially when he showed his skills on the shot girl at On Anon. Observing Mr M in field was awesome, as he gamed one of the shot girl, she was like in a trance state just drawn towards him as he demonstrated his body language, push and pull theory, brilliant to watch !
Keychain seminar on sexuality and kino was excellent and so IMPORTANT when you have to step up and take it to the next level!
The first night was good just getting used to talking with the openers provided. It was the second night, at Jewel nightclub that was the 'ah ah moment'. I was told to go with direct openers just like Retoke I never opened direct in my life !
I opened a 3 set. A hot blonde and I think 2 brunettes (I had only eyes on the hot blonde!). I managed to get her on her own and chatted to her, running the scripts + body language I learnt from Mr.M and Keychain!. Within minutes she was touching my chest, stroking her hair, stroking my arms. She later invited me to join her at her table with her friends. Unfortunately I hesitated and lost her, I was just amazed and stunned how it all works !
Later on I went direct, now I was told to use a direct opener which contained the F word. I was really uncomfortable using this opener, but tried it anyway. I was using it half hearted and not really getting any worthwhile result, until I thought just go for it!
I opened direct with this cute blonde, her mates and her boyfriend were preoccupied. The look in her eyes after the opener were fireworks exploding with love in the air, absolutely wonderful!
I gently held her hand and pulled her away from the group, she followed, making the whole interaction smooth and romantic!
Unfortunately the cockblockers prevented any more interaction. Later on the night she came up and kissed me on the cheek and thanked me, again the cockblockers interfered. As I let go of her hand she wouldn't not let go of mine, her friends were pulling her away. Our hands started to slide away, we both wanted more from each other but it ended, it was like a romantic movie!, but an awesome experience!
Thanks Mr. M, Keychain, Mark, Chris and the rest of the LS crew.
This is really useful comment for me. I did the January bootcamp in London and, though it was overwhelmingly positive, one bit of negative self-talk I've had is about how I don't really hang out in night clubs so the in-field didn't apply much to me.
Originally Posted by Don_day
Of course that's bullshit, and you put so well why club game matters: it's a training ground. Get good and comfortable with that and the other areas of your game and your life start to fall into place.
It was a pleasure working with all of you, you were amazing students and it was one of the best bootcamps ever. It was great to see you guys have those Aha moments.
Keep working at it and keep us posted of your successes and questions. More importantly, have fun!
March 2010 - London with Mr. M, 5.0, Keychain, Rokker, Savoy, and many more
In short, if you're considering doing a bootcamp just go and fucking do it!!! DO IT!! You will not regret it and if you do you get your money back anyway. Look, if you're interested at all in having an amazing life filled with hot women then just take the bootcamp. Take a bootcamp, now. Don't wait as I was going to, seize the opportunity and do it. The money is worth it even if you get into debt.
I took the bootcamp as a last minute thing when I found out Savoy was in attendance and I am so happy that I did. It ended up being somewhat of a mini super conference with Mr. M, Savoy, Rokker, Sheriff, 5.0, Keychain, Soul, Micha, Farmer, and a host of Approach Coaches all attending.
I went not really knowing what to expect, but knowing what I wanted to get out of it - that is to destroy any approach anxiety, fix any self limiting beliefs, and really hammer in the knowledge and techniques I had already been learning and practicing from the Magic Bullets book and Interview Series Audios.
I was always pretty good with women, but had been in a LTR for the past 5 years. Becoming single suddenly was a massive shock, and because I no longer had access to a social circle full of loads of single women of a similar age, I knew my sex life was going to be all about cold approaches for some time. Love Systems will make you an expert in this.
At the bootcamp I met my fellow attendees who came to the bootcamp with different issues but all wanting to pretty much get the same end result - to be awesome with women. The beauty of the Love Systems teachings is that it is applicable to anyone, regardless of where you are coming from. Whether you are a virgin, a 40 year old divorcee or a late 20's single guy who wants to be able to switch up from just dating the girls from work or pulling 7's and 8' to being able to pick out the hottest girl in a particular environment and make her yours, the techniques and skills you learn will catapult you towards achieving your goals.
The seminars spread out over three days were intense. I certainly benefited from reading the Magic Bullets eBook and the LSi emails I had been receiving for the past few months or so as otherwise I think I may have struggled to take in all of what was being hammered in.
We went through the fundamentals of game, the psychology of women and what triggers attraction in them, and how as men we can use our words, body language, tonality, and attitude/mentality to hit these attraction switches. The difference between men and women is that a guy takes a fraction of a second to decide whether a women is attractive based on a hard wired desire to mate with a women that displays physical replication abilities where as women are hard wired to be attracted to the survival abilities of men. Derived from years of evolution, being an alpha male who is dominant, decisive, a protector of loved ones and confident are amongst the main attraction switches in women and all form part of a skill set that can be learnt and then developed. You will learn that wealth, looks and all the other things guys normally tell themselves women are attracted too are actually not that relevant. At some point you will probably have that light bulb moment when you suddenly understand how that ugly, short and less than average Joe you know, always seems to have a smoking hot blonde on his arm.
The infield experience is by far the most important. I don't think anyone in the group had anything less than a life changing experience during the two nights we spent with the instructors. Some of the guys where coming at this with no experience of approaching women at all, and by the end of it had all approached mixed sets, two sets, three sets, and every other conceivable variation.
Getting to see some of the instructors in action was absolutely awesome. 5.0, Sheriff, and Micha at Movida showed me how the masters do it with ease.
I'll break down my experience with the individual instructors:
He led the bootcamp and when I first saw him I was completely underwhelmed. I had heard his voice so much I could recall it in my head with ease. It was almost like meeting a celeb. This guy is straight up money. His professionalism, knowledge and most importantly ability to teach is fucking phenomenal. He instantly put everyone at ease, had us all laughing, and by the end Iím sure a few guys were sporting man crushes. The guy gets a rap for being ugly, but by the end of the seminar you can see how he could be really attractive to women. His insight into body language and tonality (perhaps the most important part of any approach and building attraction) is nothing short of genius. He has the ability to pick up on the tiniest most subtle of details as though he was inspecting you through a microscope. Unfortunately for me, I only got to work with him for ten minutes due to being put into an advanced infield group and going off to Movida. He will tear your AFC self apart and piece you back together as a lady killer. He sets you up, you knock them down. Those sets will just fucking open when he's through with you.
I didn't get to appreciate the true skill Rokker displayed to me when I winged him after he opened a set of Norwegian hotties until after the bootcamp and once I'd had the chance to reflect. His game is so natural you wouldnít even realize he was doing it until the girl leaves the club on his arm. He has completely dominated his fear of approach to the point itís invisible and can build attraction without the slightest of effort. The girls I winged him with still contact me three weeks after the bootcamp and I barely spoke to them.
This guy can rapid fire banter so quickly and effortlessly that if you can emulate him to just a fraction of his skill you'll be able to destroy any shit test or bitch shield with ease. He has a very down to earth and forth right way of approaching game. He oozes self esteem, and has mastered inner game, he completely owned Movida and has the most complete abundance mentality I witnessed that weekend. He is the very definition of confidence. My experience with 5.0 led me to thoroughly understand how the underlying theme of the Love Systems methods are a stepping stone to being able to improve all areas of your life by becoming more self assured, assertive and dominant.
I got to work with Sheriff during my second night at Movida, gaming the high end club scene. He has the unique ability to convey so much whilst saying just the bare minimum in a way that makes it crystal clear exactly what he means. He fixed my main issue in one short and sweet debrief, essentially giving me the tools to correct a lifelong personality flaw in just 30 seconds. He noticed how I was so overly enthusiastic, too high energy, and thus conveying a lack of self esteem in an instant and set it right immediately. Itís led to the single biggest improvement in my game and has helped me to project confidence and demand attention in the rest of my life too. Whenever I enter any situation now, I get that sudden light bulb moment and I remember "body language". I physically feel myself grow in confidence as soon as that happens because I can feel myself start to project alpha male, my tonality sharpens up and my mentality switches. It is obvious Sheriff has years of experience at this, he is phenomenal.
Such a lovely and down to earth guy. Micha approaches instructing with compassion and a profound ability to inspire confidence. He is able to make you feel completely at ease with approaching difficult sets and has the ability to manifest courage. He isolated sticking points, corrected posture issues, demonstrated the simplest and in my experiences most effective Kino escalation method and was a brilliant in field instructor. I am positive that he can help any student overcome approach anxiety. Anyone who gets the chance to work with him will find that he relates to his students in a heartfelt, sincere way and in doing so will help you to conquer any self limiting beliefs. He allows you to lean on his experience and will give you all the time you need. He spent many of his breaks coaching me during the seminars and his gentle personality will make you feel completely comfortable discussing the most personal of issues.
Unfortunately I did not get to work with Farmer in field but I did get to spend some time talking with him about the fundamentals of game of which he is an expert. When I first met him, I was struck by his body language and how composed he was. He radiates confidence. Since the bootcamp his follow up has been second to none and I have conversed with him on a number of occasions over several different things.
Key Chain led some of the seminars, and is a very patient, kind and charming guy. His teaching style is one of patience and he will give people as much time as they need. No question is a stupid question with him (and likewise with any of the instructors) but he has a very emphatic style. His own personal style is one of being very calm, composed and confident (any more c's!). I worked with him on the first night and he had me opening some insanely difficult sets, such as a huge set of all girls sat in a booth enjoying their own company. He is a true master of the arts and has injected his own personal style into it. I really liked working with Keychain.
Jeremy came in to do a special 1 hour intense breakdown of his day game bootcamp. It is money! I cannot wait to take it.
The Approach Coaches:
Mark is living proof that anything is possible. This guy is hilarious. He managed to pick up the hottest girl in the club with ease, and had her eating out his hand (and he only has one due to losing an arm). He is testament to the fact that it doesn't matter what your background or situation, none of it matters. He will be an instructor if he isn't soon.
Chris is a really nice guy. I only got to speak with him in the seminars but since the bootcamp he has been kind enough to stay in touch and email me with suggestions and further reading advice. Itís a shame I didn't get to spend more time with him.
Henry and Will, Mr. M's interns are really cool guys. Will nearly FC's on the first night as a demonstration of how to do it, and Henry smoothly opened a set of the hottest Brazilian girls I had ever seen and had them partying with us in no time at all. Both guys are capable, confident and helped tremendously on the night by winging effectively, coaching people to open and showing us newbs how to do it.
There was another approach coach called Stephen who I didn't really get to speak to or see infield but he chimed in with some solid advice during the seminars.
The instructors as a whole are living proof that anyone can learn this skill set and put it to devastating effect if they work on it. Put these guys in a club and pit them against JLS (just because they're on 4 Music right now) and the only action those X Factor shits would be getting is with each other.
My only criticism of the bootcamp is with the schedule. Finishing at seven or later at night and then having very little time to eat and get ready to be at the meeting places for 9pm or 9:30pm was very difficult. I would love to attend a week long intensive bootcamp that includes the inner game, day game, and humor and improv seminars and training.
Ultimately this whole process is one long learning curve that starts with a bootcamp, and ends with you being able to effortlessly pull pretty much whenever you want, and whoever you want. In between is a lot of work, including further reading, inner self development, and infield practice. The bootcamp gives you a massive head start, taking you probably the first 75% of the way towards the end result. I left the bootcamp with the feeling that any women I approached would melt at the sight of me and I wasn't far off. I stopped at an M&S Food store on the way to the train station and got opened by an 8 who was putty in my hands within 20 seconds. Iím sure she only opened me because I was radiating confidence and sexual abundance.
When I go out now, I tend to divide my time between opening sets and watching AFC's doing one of two things; either gawping at girls they wish they dared approach (and simultaneously ensuring that if they do they will instantly be blown out), or failing completely miserably. If it didn't amuse me so much Iíd help them out as some of what they do wrong is so easy to spot from across the other side of the room now that I know it. I can even predict when they are about to get blown out of a set a lot of the time.
It was Fun
Originally Posted by VentureLS
Thnx for the words, it was a pleasure working with you you really got it in Movida and had a good time. That is what is almost all about to have a good time keep up the hard work. And get over there to the superconferance
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