Mr M Bootcamp - Oslo, January 2010

Review bootcamp mr M Oslo 22-24 jan.

Hi guys! Hereby my review of the bootcamp!

First of all, let me start with some personal data. I’m 29 yrs old, 1.90m, nationality: Dutch. looks: I get approach invitations (but never approach and missed out a lot of girls in my life). I just hated the fact that I saw all those beautiful women in the clubs, bars, streets, trains, etc, with the look on their face like: please come over and talk to me, I’m single! But somehow I felt there was an invisible glass wall between me and them. It really frustrated me. So about 4 months ago, I accidently bought the mystery method and discovered the game. I read every book out there and I came across magic bullets . I bought it and the next day, someone from lovesystems called me, named Bill. I told him my life story, and Bill talked me into going to one of those bootcamps. I was skeptic in the beginning, but because within my social circle , sometimes I triggered natural push and pull conversations. I just never know there were books like magic bullets that described this process. So because I could relate to this I knew it was no flim-flam and I just had to go. Oke, it was a lot of money, but joy with women is priceless. To me, ‘vibing’ or ‘push-pull ’ with a woman is the best feeling in the world, better then sex. Now I think of it, I guess 90% of all the men out there will die without ever having this feeling in their lives. Anyway, I studied, practicing routines, magic, drawn out DHV story lines, bought peacocking gear etc. and had a few sarging sessions with guys I met at the attraction forum, which already resulted to some kisses and sex.

In Oslo I noticed there were two kinds of people attending the bootcamp. The ones with inner game problems and the ones with outer game problems. A few guys with inner game problems could better spent their money on a good shrink then a bootcamp. But most of them were just like me, guys with good jobs, living good lives and just couldn’t figure out why the women stayed away. The first day we weren’t making a lot of progression. But Keychians lecture about opening was quite good. Too bad the roleplaying/acting was a little bit hasty. And maybe they should bring one real woman to practice on. In my opinion the first day could also be improved by bringing more comfort to the students. You are in a different country, put in a group with 20 people you don’t know with all kind of nationalities, and have the knowledge you have to approach women that evening. That’s a real stressed situation! Good luck for me, there was a Dutch approach coach (AC), named Mark who could comfort me a little bit.

In the evening we hit the venues. When I entered the place I felt great, but somehow after a minute my approach anxiety kicked in and I got nervous. One AC, Misha (physically a real ALFA male), calmed me down and talked me in to approach some sets. My recommendations by the way for this guy, he gave me the feeling he was really ‘there for me’. Other AC’s were just gaming for themselves. In my opinion, AC’s shouldn’t be allowed to approach, unless a student asks for a demo. Or real disqualifying themselves and build value for you (something like: I have a wife and 2 children, but this guy is so great, He’s a helicopter pilot and traveled all around the world). One AC even stole my girl. I opened her, boosted her buying temperature, bounced with her to a comfort location, and when I did a small physical take-away, an AC moved in quickly and made out with her later. I made out with another girl as well, so I didn’t really care, but I don’t think this is the way it should be. But over all, it was a great evening, and I learned to direct approach witch I never did before.

Day 2 stared with another seminar. I will not talk about it in detail, but the lovesystems seminar is a lot about outer game. Mr M . teaches lines and other stuff you can directly use in the field. That evening we hit an high end venue with 2 AC’s, Rokker and Mark. I felt high value just being and standing there with them! We really hit it of there, bouncing with girls to the comfort location and making out with them. I agreed with one girl to meet up Monday for se.... coffee.

I don’t know anymore what was discussed in the day 3 seminar. I hadn’t slept for almost 3 days, just because all the excitement and all the conversations with woman were spinning trough my head. Monday I had some sleep and could review the bootcamp and the things Mr M said to me. And somehow all the pieces glued together. I have to tell, Friday, the first evening, Mr M was a little bit angry at me. He observed me doing some approaches, and came to me and said something like: What the f… are you doing?? You are seeking approval for something you already got! If you speak to a women, because of your appearance you already got a lot of value. I was trying to hard to build value with all the routines I practiced. That evening I just wouldn’t listen to him. The end of the evening Mr. M said to me: good job, well done. But somehow I felt he didn’t really mend it, he just said it because I wouldn’t listen to him anyway and just to give me a good feeling about that evening.

On Monday I had a date fixed at 1900. But something else happened. At 1700 I decided to grab a burger first. In the restaurant a girl (20yr really cute) seated at the table next to me drinking a beer. I opened her, No stupid routines, just, Hey, what are you reading?? 30 minutes later we bounced to another bar, drunk a beer there, made out, when to my hotel for se… thee. And I had sex with her, while my original date was waiting in the hotel lobby! Later that evening I thought back about what mr M said to me Friday and it was all making sense now.

Thuesday I would meet with her at 1900 but she didn’t came. I was a bit of a disappointment, but I said to myself: What kinda guy am I, the guy that’s waiting for a girl, or the guy that’s goes out and picks up another? So I went to the bar, approached a 7-set (do you believe it, one guy with no friends going in a bar and mingle in with a group of 7 women??) And I managed to isolate one of them (the AFOG) to comfort .

Wednesday was my flight back home. I hit on a girl in the airport, in the airplane (which I numberclosed) the train back home and the bus station. Somehow I was able to make boring everyday conversations to powerful push/pull exciting conversations, just by funny guesses, statements, opinions, observational reads, stereo typing, take- aways, Eye contact/facial expressions, physical escalations, mood swings, etc. And naturally transit from wide to deep rapport. Something I only dreamed of 6 month ago!

Overall review:
Worth the money: Yes, but don’t go unprepared and have your private life sorted out. This seminar will change your life for ever.
Good things:
-practical. I have seen DVD’s from other companies’ bootcamps, they were long and boring. This one is straight to the point.
- Lot of approach coaches.
- personally, I achieved my goals
Bad things:
- AC’s steeling girls
Recommendations for improvement:
- Female AC’s (for role-playing and value building in the venue’s)
- More comfort the first day (maybe a short 1 on 1 intake, just see were the students are at and what their goals are)
- More personal debriefing (maybe 1 on 1 with an AC for half an hour at the beginning of the day) You learn the most from your mistakes
- More bouncing to other venue’s. After a few hours, the girls in the venue knew there was a bootcamp going on.
Best coaches:
Misha, Mark, Rokker (sorry, didn’t know you were a senior!)

This is the definitive work on pickup and dating theory, written by an acknowledged master of the game - a guy who’s TRAINED many of the new “gurus” on the scene!

Recommendations for improvement:
- Female AC’s (for role-playing and value building in the venue’s)

Working on it

You did great Wouter!

Whenever I'm in holland we should meet up

cheers man!

Bootcamp Review

Looking back, the bootcamp was one hell of an experience. It was great having the opportunity to meet and learn from some of the best instructors, as well as a group of really awesome ACs. It was cool meeting the other students too, and seeing people from all walks of life coming together. Through the experience, I’ve achieved a number of paradigm shifts, have a cleaner outlook on my personal progression, and have made a number of leaps forward in my own game.

I came into Oslo with very specific goals hashed out, and looking back, I’ve more or less accomplished most of them to a significant degree. Nothings perfect, but it’s enough to be able to put a check next to each box.

Outer Game / Mechanics
1.) Opening : I was looking to clean up my opening and to do it more consistently, and this is something I knocked out of the park. Opening , at least in a day game and club/bar setting is no longer an issue. Moreover, I went from being strictly indirect to pretty much having direct be my modus operandum.

2.) Attraction: My goal was to be able to have more control over attraction. I now have the framework and the tools to work on this, though this will be my next major hurdle in my progression. Not only am I changing the primary type of attraction I’m using, from intrigue to more qualifying and force framing (as well as teasing , takeaways etc…), but I’m also looking to change the subcommuncations I use during the phase. On top of that, I need to better develop the skillset of dissociative, non-linear thinking, which is fundamental to attraction.

Inner Game
1.) Attractiveness: Knocked this one out of the park too. As I guessed, the sheer inundation of reference experience and the very being around Mr. M for a week got rid of 95% of any residual limiting beliefs I was having regarding attraction, and just race and pickup in general. Just by watching him extract attraction in minutes within sets (of mainly blondes), seeing the types of girls he dates, the respect he commands from those around him and the general persona he’s built for himself was enough to push out any limiting beliefs I had about myself.

There’s no bullshit. The guy is a 5’5” (5’7” with Altitude Shoes ☺) average looking Asian dude with game like nothing I’ve ever seen before -- he’s dating bombshells, it’s evident he’s looked up to by the other instructors, and he’s really at the forefront of dating science. Inspiring stuff…

I still laugh when I think about when we were in seminar talking about approach invitations and getting approached by women, and Mr. M goes “yeah… I’ve tried that method, nothing happens with me. I’ve been approached maybe 4 times in my life.”

Skillsets
1.) Kino : On my way to achieving this one. Before, I would rely on light arm touches and maybe a push here and there as “kino .” Ironically, prolonged light arm touches are exactly what Keychain said should be avoided – it’s awkward and doesn’t accomplish much.

From Keychain ’s lesson, and with some 1 on 1 help with Micha and Mr. M , I was able to develop proper technique for physically escalating. As I predicted, it’s all pretty simple stuff… I was just lacking the mechanics and structure before to implement something better than what I was doing.

The best part was that Micha and Mr. M took the time to demonstrate on me how they would actually do it, and then I ran it on them as though they were the set to get feedback until I got it correctly. Mr. M ’s kino definitely has a more dominant side (i.e. wrist holding) that fits well against the Asian stereotype, whereas if Micha (who is a beast of a man) tried that, the girls would likely get intimidated. Micha ’s kino was gentler and more similar to Keychain ’s demonstration, but also worked very well. I imagine I’m gong to work on developing a combination of the two, as both styles seemed to be pretty congruent with me.

2.) Sexualization: I have a clear and definite understanding of how to implement this. I was able to do so during the day 1 in-field, and got a taste of how much fun it makes the set. Man game baby!

As I mention in my blog, sexualization was really a function of having that inner game shift, in which I become free in expressing my sexual intent – the idea that I’m hitting on a girl, she knows it, and I’m perfectly okay with that. I can say I have definitely achieved a large part of this I don’t give a fuck inner game shift, and want to continue to reinforce it. To quote Micha from the day 1 in-field, “Yeah, I’m hitting on you… so what? You’re fuckin’ hot!” (while referring to a girl… not me, though I am pretty good looking )

Long-Term Goals and Executive Summary
So I said that my longer term goal of the bootcamp was to have a clear path cut out for what I need to do after what I want to achieve is done. Seeing how I pretty much largely achieved almost everything I was seeking out to do, the path of what to do next is actually pretty clear. The bootcamp has really defined a trajectory for which I can follow to really get this handled.

The executive summary is that the bootcamp really is as worthwhile as the reviews say it is. As Sheriff said it would, it really catapulted my progress forward, and moreover, changed my perspective and understanding of game. By being around so many different styles and adaptations of the principles, I now truly understand the cliché saying that it’s not about the lines and routines, but the subcommuncations and how they’re used.

I can say for sure that the bootcamp has probably saved me multiple months in terms of overall progression; both in what I was able to overcome, and in the amount of time it will take me to accomplish my upcoming goals. I’m just fortunate enough to have had the opportunity to attend, and to have been in the right place in my progression to maximize my benefit from it!

Approach Coaches
All the approach coaches were awesome, but I wanted to give a special thanks to Farmer . I worked with him a fair bit the first night, and it’s pretty clear he knows what he’s doing. To be honest, it actually felt like I was working with one of the instructors when I was with him, as he had the capacity to help with much more beyond the approach. Not only does the guy have great game, but he’s got a solid way of working with students (which is what really matters in a learning environment), and getting them comfortable with pushing themselves. Thanks for the help!

For anyone interested in a more in-depth coverage of the bootcamp experience, there’s a pretty extensive set of write-ups in my blog (under January & February) covering the thick of it: LA2NY

Originally Posted by LA2NY

All the approach coaches were awesome, but I wanted to give a special thanks to Farmer . I worked with him a fair bit the first night, and it’s pretty clear he knows what he’s doing. To be honest, it actually felt like I was working with one of the instructors when I was with him, as he had the capacity to help with much more beyond the approach. Not only does the guy have great game, but he’s got a solid way of working with students (which is what really matters in a learning environment), and getting them comfortable with pushing themselves. Thanks for the help!

Pleasure working with you mate. As I told you, you have a great ability to learn fast by immediately implementing what you're told, and you're able to infer a lot more from the information you're given. Just keep working on getting rid of the logical mind when in set and you'll go far. Keep up the good work!!

Be seeing you when I'm next in the US.