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Fair warning: This is a really long review of the 2010 Love Systems Superconference. I wrote this specifically for guys who aren’t sure about attending a superconference in the future. I did a quick(ish) paragraph on the various sessions I attended, to give you a taste of what to expect. Also, a brief description on how this conference improved my game in the field considerably. Enjoy…
Love Systems Superconference 2010
I went to the superconference utterly against my better financial judgment. Not only was there the basic cost of the conference, but there was also airfare, lodging, a rental car (that I drove for a total of 32 miles), and the staggering cost of food on the Vegas Strip. Much to my shock, I learned there are no $5-foot-longs at Subway locations in a casino – more like $8.50. Had I been an adult, and followed my common sense, I’d have been at work that weekend.
Thank God my id won out.
The weekend was a truly inspirational experience. The instructors are all really cool, really helpful guys, and I learned a lot. If I had to do it all over again, I definitely still would have gone. (Scroll down to my epilogue to find out why).
Day One – Conference
(Intro, Savoy) Savoy began the conference by speaking of the Seven Seductive (actually “Stupid”) Ideas that can screw up a guy’s dating life. It was a good sorbet to cleanse the palette of bad dating preconceptions that even experienced LS practitioners can fall victim to, and start the weekend right.
(LS Triad Model, Future) This was a review for anyone who’s already taken a boot camp (or viewed the model on the LS website), but a really entertaining review. I’ve done a couple different programs with Future, including my initial boot camp that introduced me to pick-up, and he’s one funny bastard. Not that I’m biased, or anything.
(Fundamentals of Attraction, The Don) Again, this was mainly a review of basic concepts that might have been overlooked or forgotten by those who’ve already done a boot camp, and was also really entertaining.
After the Attraction session, conference attendees had their choice of sessions in a lecture-style format on the “Main Stage,” or a “Breakout Room,” that focused on practical application exercises in small groups, led by various instructors.
(Approaching & Transitioning) As the first session in the Breakout Room, this was invaluable in fixing my technical approach aspects. I worked with two very cool prospective instructors who clearly knew what they were doing. Unfortunately, I can’t give them a shout-out for their help. I never learned their LS pseudonyms, and I don’t want to “out” them by using their real names. (Sorry guys).
(Frames and Frame Control, Future) This talk was very helpful, not only in understanding how to guide a conversation’s underlying subtext (which is a big deal), but what kind of “place” is most healthy for you when you’re talking to a woman. We all have assumptions going into any interaction. Frame control is also about YOUR assumptions and attitudes about YOU when dealing with women. This talk had some underlying themes relating to inner game, which became a recurrent theme for me that weekend.
(Q&A, Savoy) Pretty self-explanatory, we asked whatever burning questions were on our minds, from the general to the specific. This time was quite helpful in preparing for the first night in Vegas.
Night One – Infield
I have serious issues with Approach Anxiety. I mean SERIOUS issues. You know that guy at the club who stands in the corner the whole time, slowly nursing one beer after another? He doesn’t talk to anyone, except his friends, and even if his buddies bring some girls over, he has difficulty stringing words together. You know, THAT guy? Okay, THAT guy would look at me and say, “Holy shit, that dude has issues.”
Now, my success with women increased greatly after my bootcamp, but it’s always been with girls in my social circle, or work circle. Cold approach in the bars and clubs, I just didn’t do. AA was a big problem on my bootcamp, and the first night in Vegas, continued to be a problem. AA took hold of me, and didn’t let go. It sucked.
Day Two – Conference
(Day Game, Soul) Soul is the clear master of Day Game, ask anyone. If you like being able to actually hear what a person says in conversation, Day Game is probably for you. Soul’s talk also served as a really good intro to Direct Game, as well as tips on where to take a conversation once you’ve opened a girl in a Day Game interaction.
(Body Language, Cajun) I was lucky enough to get into the small group led by Cajun, largely recognized as one of the best in this area. We went over approach basics, while Cajun corrected technical aspects of our body language, as well as voice projection, it was very enlightening for the whole group.
(Fashion Consult) This was mainly a panel Q&A, with various instructors answering questions and offering tips on clothes, shoes, and fragrances. I have to give a special shout-out to Prestige who stayed late after the session to answer more specific questions I had about fashion and my AA issues.
(Spontaneous Conversation, Future & Big Business) After Future gave a general overview, we broke up into small groups and practiced an improv exercise wherein we BSed about a random word for one minute. The point was, to use free association and simply KEEP TALKING for 60 seconds – which can be harder than it sounds. The application was obvious, as was the lesson: in attraction, you’re usually doing most of the talking, so get used to it. My small group was led by Big Business, who had awesome advice for improvement for everyone.
(Storytelling, Tenmagnet) With the assistance of other instructors, Tenmagnet had students tell stories which were critiqued and given advice for improvement. Two pieces of advice really helped me in this workshop: 1) Concentrate on EMOTIONAL details, and 2) Edit. Generally, the shorter the story, with more emotional spikes, the better. (Clearly, I have not incorporated that advice very well in this review).
(Identity, Cajun) The timing for this lecture couldn’t have been better if I’d scheduled it that way. The major points I got from this lecture were: 1) “What kind of man do you want to be?” and 2) the importance of controlling fear. This really hit home with me and these words came back to me later that night.
Night Two – Infield
My AA got the better of me again – until about 2:30. I largely credit the timing of Cajun’s Identity lecture for this, because something clicked, and I finally got in the game. I ended up making a deal with myself to open five sets, and I opened six. None of them I’d describe as “bad,” and two went very well. I pulled no SNLs, but this was a Big Deal for me.
Like Rudy, I hadn’t gotten onto the field until the last few minutes of the last quarter, but in my case, just getting on the field was the victory – so as far as I’m concerned, I’m still goin’ to Disneyland. I know there are guys who won’t be impressed with this report, and at best, may consider it “cute.” Still, one man’s molehill is another man’s mountain, and sometimes it’s the smallest victories that define the biggest breakthroughs.
Day Three – Conference
(Building a Lifestyle, Mr. M). Largely, this was a description of the different “phases” a guy tends to go through when he discovers pick-up, as well as a heads-up on different pitfalls to be avoided on the way. It was good information, although by Mr. M’s own admission, it was a lecture for guys who were kind of advanced in pick-up. For the rest of us, it was good stuff to look forward to.
(Older Men and Younger Women, Bullet) Yeah, it sucks when you realize that you’re no longer in the age demographic that MTV gives a shit about, but that doesn’t mean you’re “done.” Bullet shared really effective tips on how “men of a certain age,” can use their age as an advantage by using angles and experiences that younger guys don’t yet have, simply because they haven’t been on the planet long enough. (And if that doesn’t work, hitting the “whipper-snappers” with your cane is always an option).
(Never Running out of Things to Say, Starlight) This was a longer, more in-depth version of the workshop on Spontaneous Conversation. The talk included some simple charts that could help a guy as conversation topics come up. Granted, one HAS to learn a certain degree of improv in pick-up, but still, this was especially useful for guys who prefer to go in with a more structured game plan.
(Inner Game, Vercetti) This was the breakaway lecture of the conference. The big idea of this class (I’m heavily paraphrasing and abbreviating here), is that pick-up actually ISN’T about women – it’s about you. (Yeah, weird, I know).
Vercetti’s talk included effective visualizations of paths taken and paths not taken, as well as a road map to get over limiting beliefs and counter-productive behaviors. My snippet-length review honestly doesn’t do it justice. This discussion is what probably got Vercetti voted Instructor of the Year, and in my opinion, should’ve been the first lecture of the entire conference. I’ve found it to be a great retrospective diagnostic to improve areas in my life that have nothing to do with women. Seriously, awesome lecture.
(Humor & Sexual Framing, Big Business) This lecture was a lot of fun, as well as very helpful. Big Business started with an example of a sexual framing routine that gave platonic hugs a sexual subtext. The talk also emphasized role plays, role reversal, and just plain old havin’ fun. (That’s what this stuff supposed to be, after all).
I knew it would take a few days to process all the information from the weekend, but after my personal breakthrough with my AA, I didn’t want to lose momentum. So, still bearing in mind the concepts from the conference, particularly stuff from Cajun, Future, and Vercetti, I made a conscious effort to be more outgoing with people in general. (Easier said than done for an introvert).
This was normally unlike me, but on the shuttle to the airport, I initiated a conversation with a random guy. As we parted company, out of nowhere, he gave me his card, and told me to send him my resume. I’ve been looking for a better job for a while now, so this was like seeing a rain cloud over the desert.
Granted, it’s too early to tell if this will turn into a solid job offer. But, if it hadn’t been for this conference, 1) I wouldn’t have been physically in the right place at the right time for this random meeting, and 2) I wouldn’t have been able to make this potential opportunity happen. That’s the funny thing - potential opportunities are all around us, all the time, but it’s up to us to find them. (Taking women out of the picture for moment, I think there’s a life lesson in there somewhere).
If things go well, in a few months from now, this conference just might have paid for itself, several times over. Life’s weird sometimes, ain’t it?
- 11-02-2010, 11:57 AM #72Love Systems Program Coordinator
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- 11-13-2010, 12:51 PM #73
I went to this year Super Conference and trained with some of the top dating/social experts. The super conference was packed full of advice and filled with likeminded individuals. I have already posted about the Super Conference in another post.
Life after the Super Conference
If you have not sign up for a boot camp or seminar I would recommend you do so ASAP.
You don’t have to tell anyone, just say you’re going on a business trip, conference, or on vacation. The thing is although I went there to learn form the best I found friends and mentors from my state/local area and mentors from all over the world. I’m from Oklahoma. I would have never guess that Love systems has a top level coach aka "Braddock" from my same background who, has already mastered and taught me what problems I was trying to solve growing up in Midwest.
Life after the Super Conference has been great. I solved a lot of problems that I had with: picking up girls, overcoming AA, and Solving my own inner game, Body Language, and building a Life Style, Social circle, Strippers and hired guns, Social Proof, qualification, exct. The training extends outside of that, and into your personal Life now I’m doing much better in school and on my job and with women. My job has been a lot fun. Now that I have trained with experts, who not only help you with women but with what’s going on in your life at the moment you will begin to see how what you learn and implement becomes just a natural habit and how you start felling and behaving around people like a man with confidence, ability to select any women, and a man who is a success in life. They notice something about you that has changed for the better that was already there, but just need to be brought out and tweaked a bit.
But you know the saying, "the more you know the more you find out you don’t know" well, that is true and her is why.
The only advice out there at the time was Mystery. If you copy that guy you probably will be called weirdo. Love Systems not only teach you how to pick up girls with a map (Magic bullet, Routine Manuals) they also teach you how to keep girls (Savoy’s relationship management DVDs) and build a tailored congruent style for your personality. Think about I have been working on social dynamics since I was a teen and had early semi success which is great but not good enough.
Love Systems programs has took the game and broke it down in to a process that can be tailored to fit all individual in different walks of life.
My experience from (age 13-24)
1) Got tired of learning how to talk to girls the wrong way looked online and found Mystery David D, but deep down knew they could not teach me what I wanted to know, but could lead me to someone who can.
2) Read The Game, by Style. The book is cool, but really does not tell me how to live the life style that I want and not like some weird community guy.
3) Practice, Practice, Practice talking to women own my own (too long and slow process it took me years.)
4) Got back online found weird dating sites that are no help at all for obvious reasons they just throw you under the bus. Weird sites that claim they are master PUA(ha ha, horrible advice)
5) Read the line in The Game about someone named Savoy taking over Mystery Method and searched it online and found Love Systems. I thought, finally someone who gets it.
6) Started studying from the masters Soul, Braddock. I found great recommended readings (Blink, Psycho Cybernetics, Sperm Wars, Getting things done exct), by these guys who get where I coming from (part of going supernova is reading and writing some everyday about 20% and practicing 80% )
8) Missed the first conference then waited a year and made sure I was ready this year.)
9 Worked on my goals in building 4 hour work week life-style.
10) Took a boot camp/Super conference and now dating and meeting tons of women and doing better in work and school.
Now After the Super Conference to take my game to the next level.
1) Become the man I want to be
2) Financial Stability start my own business (4 hour work week)
3) Study relationship because I know how to pick up girls but nothing about how to keep them. Savoy’s relationship 3 DVD is next on my list (Learn how to keep women in your life and never look back, date and sleep with multiple women, and get a girl friend who you can have threesomes with).
4) Graduate college
5) Move to a different city (Texas, LA, or New York.)
6) Build lifestyle and connect with other Successful people (Never eat alone book)
8) Health and fitness (which is really number one on list) ( Love Sytems has already taught me great advice on how to train for my life style, and evan gained 10 pounds of muscel now im at my short term weight goal 160 pounds on my way to 180pounds)
9) Do something great in life
10) Die happy and live a great life.
- 10-20-2011, 02:33 PM #74Lounge Member
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So I went to Las Vegas earlier in the year for the first time and had the time of my life. However, comparing this Vegas experience involving LS and my first one, is impossible.
SuperConference 2011 - Las Vegas
Basically, I had the time of my life, learned so much, grew as a person, and met some incredible people.
Friday morning I showed up early to register and get all my materials. We were provided with some materials and notebooks for the weekend which was awesome. After getting your infield groups, the SC started. Braddock and Savoy did a primer on the Models and went over a lot of theory. After was Braddock's Inner Game presentation which was MIND BLOWING. He is such a great presenter, has good quality information to share (not just mental masturbation), and has a great way of getting you pumped for the weekend.
Being so impressed I went to Braddock's Trigger Word's presentation in the breakout room. Most people present the problem of running out of things to say, but if you go to Braddock's Trigger Words presentation, combined with Future's Spontaneous Conversation, you will be on your way to conquering that problem.
Future's presentation on Attraction was phenomenal. I had heard of Future, but didn't know much about him. Him and Braddock impressed me the most the whole weekend and it's easy to see why they teach this stuff -- they are great at it, have a love for their students, and are great role models.
I'm not going to go over every presentation I went to because there is too much to say and too much praise to give. None of the presentations I went to were disappointing.
Day 1 infield was a little nerve wrecking at first, but I quickly got over it. I was infield with Cajun, Future, and Starlight, with Intrigue and Pounders as Approach Coaches. Let me say that going out with these guys was insane. The instructors were very professional as well, being adamant that you are not to get too drunk and that if they can tell you're drunk, then you've had too much. This is awesome because they don't want you going on crutches and only having the liquid courage. We had bottle service at our VIP area, but it was cool to only have a couple drinks (at least while we were infield) and practice with these guys.
Obviously there was the Student-Teacher roles, but it was really like hanging out with some awesome buddies! They made some personal challenges at the beginning to make it more fun and easy to get in to. None of the students were allowed to sit down at our perfectly located table until we opened some sets. It was mind blowing to start out with a bunch of guys, all of us go out to do some sets, come back with them, have an even ish ratio of guys/girls, go out again, and have women outnumbering the guys there.
I learned so much the first night and it changed my views on how possible this stuff really is. I spent a lot of time with Pounders and he helped me when I was coming down from my high and having a couple rough sets -- great guy. Eventually we went to Spearmint Rhino, a stripclub I've heard plenty about through Fader, and it was not disappointing to say the least. I could go on and on about this night alone, but I'll move on to day 2
Day 2- This night I was infield with Mr M, Nick Hoss, and Biskit. We took a limo to the club and showed up in style. I had a different set of goals this night as I seemed to continually be getting stuck in attraction, so that was my goal at least. There were more infield groups at the same club this night (the best club in Vegas in my opinion, so there was a reason. Although this was the ONLY downfall all weekend.) so you had to be much more aggressive in your approaches since many people were out with the same goals as you. I worked with Mr M on some sets, Hoss a little bit, and Biskit a bunch as well. Biskit helped me with escalation which is something I don't really feel awkward doing, I just wasn't doing it enough. Seeing how effective it is helps you further in the model very quickly. I opened a bachelorette party of asians with my buddy (who happened to be asian too) and they loved us. Used some ideas I got from Braddock at his Trigger Words exercise about role plays and they absolutely loved it. The Bachelorette gave me her pink boa which I lost later haha. I asked my friend and apparently he say Tenmagnet wearing it later.
Sunday came WAY too quick and it was a bummer to be leaving so soon. However, I will definitely be taking another program in the future, when I have had enough time to progress on my own. ALL of these guys are awesome teachers, knowledgable, friendly, and all around great people. Like everyone else, I was skeptical on spending that amount of money, but also like everyone else who has taken a program, I will say that it was worth it 100%.
If you have any questions for me, feel free to ask here. There's too many instructors and events that happened to mention here.
Shout out to Future, Braddock, Cajun, Starlight, Intrigue, Pounders, Fader, Hoss, Mr. M, Biskit, you guys all helped me out majorly.
--Random thought about the weekend that popped in my head that I won't forget. Some guy asked about shit tests in one of Braddock's presentations about "What if she says we're not having sex" or something to the like. The best response came from Daxx, which I will never forget, saying "Well, I would tell her something like, 'We're not going to have sex, I'm just going to finger you with my penis." The weekend expanded my mind of what you can say to women and get away with. Braddock's infield was a perfect example of this.
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Just some thoughts and Epiphanies on my Trip to the SC 2011.
Vegas was insane! Like no other place on earth! I would have to say one thing that stood out was the power of just being excited about being in Vegas and at surrender, this really put me in a great state. It was like I had the mantra "this is sick" and it " conveyed to every girl I spoke to. Not to mention the awesome energy created with all the instructors and students together! it was like the biggest social circle ever to date in a club!
Girls could not believe how i Knew so many people and access to VIP areas too!
Some great tips especially for moving sets, which worked sooo well and winging helped too from J-intrigue! Not to mention the awesome energy as well! Thanks dude
And Fader, had some great talks especially the comment he quoted" because Jesus hates me". It gave me a new thing to try out to just really f*** with people
Cant wait to go back to Vegas!
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I've waited about a month since the Super Conference to really reflect and practice what I learned, here are my thoughts on instructors and presentations that had the biggest impact:
SuperConference 2011 - Las Vegas (one month has passed)
Braddock: Other reviews have mentioned Braddock's Inner Game presentation and I'm going to reiterate, this presentation was the shit (seriously, if you have a chance to just take the Inner Game Seminar Only, you should cause this stuff will change your life!) This isn't just about getting good with women, it's a blueprint to change every aspect of your life. Braddock's passion, knowledge, and life are firing on all 8 cylinders and he is a walking inspiration for all of us to want to reach SUPERNOVA! Also, do you know what trigger words are? If not, search this forum and find out (do your exercises!) and you will NEVER have to leave a set due to running out of things to say. Post Super Conference shout-out to Braddock for giving me a list of what bars/clubs to hit up every day of the week here in Dallas.
Mr. M: great presentation on Approaching and Opening. I'm still trying to find a situation to use the Navy Seal hand signal routine, this was freaking hilarious! It's true what you've read and heard, I got to witness Mr. M pick up tall hot blondes at Surrender on Saturday night.
Future: his presentation on attraction was hilarious, Future has a way of presentation that keeps your attention from start to finish. Also big thanks for the Breakout Room session on Spontaneous Conversations, I learned as much about myself from this as I did both nights infield. It was a great insight into how words affect our thoughts/associations/conversations.
I went out with Tenmagnet, Pendrixx, Calabrese and Mani. These guys were so much fun, I told them I had BAD approach anxiety and they pushed me to open set after set until something happened for the FIRST time in my life, it went away (HUGE breakthrough)! Approaching was no longer a chore, but fun! I also stopped being goal oriented with the girls and changed my mindset to be there to have fun (breakthrough #2 of the night). Funny thing happened, once I started doing approaches for my own personal amusement/entertainment, I started hooking sets better and getting more attraction.
All the infield groups went out together (so amazing), but I was assigned specifically with Braddock, Daxx, Fader, and Mani. The high from the previous night had worn off, so the approach anxiety was back. Daxx told me to not care about the first hour and to just get warmed up by making a game about it and getting blow out on purpose so that I would realize it's not a big deal (which it isn't FYI).
Here was the phrase of the night (thanks Daxx): go up to a girl and say, "You're a bad motherfucker!" Daxx gave this to me to use for the first hour only for warmup (and maybe blowouts), but it was working so freaking well, I used it on almost every single set the whole night! I've never gotten so many hugs, highfives, and yes, makeouts, for calling a girl (or group of girls) bad mother fuckers to their face, freaking awesome!!! (breakthrough here is that the words you are saying aren't nearly as important as your body language and how it is delivered)
Also, Mani gave me a line to say during transition that worked like a charm, thanks man, I had a blast with it.
And the last part of the night ended at (of course) Spearmint Rhino with Fader (I saw the sunrise we were there so late, hahaha). After getting approached by strippers trying to give dances ranging from $100-300 every few minutes, I asked Fader what to do. He gave me the most amazing stripper banter lines (battle tested by him of course) and they worked! When a stripper is foregoing money to stay and chat with you (even after you make it clear you aren't giving money for lap dances), you are on the way to stripper game my friends, thanks Fader!
In Summary, before Super Conference I had big dreams and no clear path to follow and achieve them. Post Super Conference I have a road map to follow on the path to SUPERNOVA with women and with life!
(stealing this from Fader) Ask yourself this if you want to get a better with girls and get a better life, "How hungry are you?"
"Are you hungry like a wolf, or hungry like a sheep!?"
If you are the wolf, take a boot camp or sign up for the super conference and you will be well on your way.
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There are no excuses for missing out on the sheer awesomeness of the Superconference. For anyone who is learning game or remotely interested in game, this event has all the information that you could possible need to address your sticking points.
As a person who has been in the community for a year now, I've read most of the books, listened to plenty of interview audios, and attended the majority of the seminars (thanks to barter opportunities from LoveSystems), and I still found the Superconference to be mind-blowing and practical for my journey to become a master PUA. I won't go into detail of each seminar and breakout session, but I will say that every ounce of information that I heard in the seminar/breakout rooms was extremely helpful to all parts of my dating life and personal life..
What was priceless was the one-on-one time with any instructor that I wanted. I received individual help on my storytelling ability with Keychain, words of wisdom on my own conversational techniques with Soul, personal pointers on my body language with Nick Hoss, and also pieces of advice on the path to becoming an instructor from other prospective instructors (thanks Gil!). If you go to Superconference without attending the seminars and just go for the 1 on 1 time with the instructors, you'd be getting more than your money's worth (though you'd be missing out on the new cutting edge stuff as well as helpful exercises to improve your game).
Finally, the camaraderie during the event was delightfully unexpected. I got to meet amazing, ambitious, fun people who are at a skill level equal to my own - I guess you could say I've found the beginnings of my own Navy Seal Team - and though we are from different parts of the world, we're all looking forward to crossing paths again to join in the fun of chasing women.
The people, the instructors, the seminars - all this in a city that is perfect for night game, day game, and stripper game. These all made for one of the best weekends of my life. (In fact, I pulled my first stripper that weekend thanks to Fader!)
Do whatever you can to make it to the Superconference next year guys. The hype is definitely true and the experience is definitely unparalleled to any other event.
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They say the Love Systems Superconference is all about meeting and picking up beautiful women, but it's not. Yes, you will learn those skills, but really you are learning about life. My dating and sex life is ten times better than it used to be, but so is my relationship with friends, with family, my career, and just my life in general.
Love Systems is a fraud and will trick you
It's not an exaggeration to say that you can divide my life into "before the Superconference" and "after the Superconference"
Thank you for everything.Switch
Hit your obstacles like you have an imaginary shovel in your hand!
- 01-29-2012, 10:19 PM #80
Dominance, fast kino, and stuff like that is what I like to hear. Thanks for reminding me about these things. Yeah, I'm going to use your post as a reminder when I need a refresher.
I'll be attending Super Conference in 2012, so I can't wait to live these kinda experiences.
One thing I love to do is do a Jersie Shore "come-at-me-bro wanna fight!?!" attitude to girls sometimes and it works a lot I find.
So..yeah...dominance... It sounds pretty good thing to focus on.
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