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Old 08-31-2009, 03:36 AM
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I'd previously done Soul's Daygame workshop in May so was happy enough with that to try more stuff hoping that each programme would complement the other.

The first day seminar was spent introducing ourselves - there were 9 students (7 of us all knew eachother already as we were already local wings) along with intructors, Mr M, Vercetti and Keychain. The day was spent going over some basic attraction and direct openers - indirect approaches were now a thing of the past: this was MAN game. Towards the end of the day we did some practical exercises trying out our openers on the instructers who'd then critique our body-language and tone etc. I felt more time could have been spent on this as this was probably the most crucial part of the seminar where I got the most out of it.

The first night infield I thought might be tough but I acually had a lot of fun. I opened about 12 sets and got 3 number closes - 2 of which texted me back later that night (I lost the other one's no.). All my approaches were direct except one where I did the forced frame opener which I guess should have been reserved for a bitchy looking set. Another set I managed to get feedback from when I asked - she said I was cocky and bit arrogant but nice enough and fun.

Keychain pushed me into a VERY tough set which I didnt think would hook and it didnt - it was a mixed 4 set seated, which I thought was just 2 girls. Fortunately, nothing bad happened and I think I handled it well.

One 2 set of blondes I opened had already been opened by another student a few mins earlier and one of them rolled her eyes at me when I opened. I reacted to her shield which probably wasnt the best thing. I actually got called-out by 2 sets who remembered me from my previous daygame approaches some weeks back which kinda bummed me out too. They actually made me feel "guilty" and "dirty" for approaching them (again) like I was some regular horny guy - it sucked. One of those sets called-me out again by saying, "someone already said (my direct opener) that tonight" - evidently our venue was too small and getting sarged out pretty fast. I told her her dad probably met her mom in a similar way (to justify my approach) and she defended her herself with, "they met at a dance!"..I should have then pointed to the dance floor.

One hot set I opened cos I saw her blow some guy out so I rose to her challenge and ended up number closing her. I did the whole, "Your friend and I like eachother. We're just gonna step aside here, is that ok?" Although she texted me later that night, she never responded the next day. The other girl I number closed I have a day 2 with later today (if she doesnt flake me).

The next seminar focussed a lot on physical escalation and being even more direct and sexual!! This scared me as I perceive myself as a gentleman and not one that just blurts out, "You're fucking gorgeous. Who are you?" But I did it anyway a few times infield that night. I wanted to try to honor Vercetti by at least trying it once.

The 2nd infield session was tougher. Keychain really helped and took me aside and demoed an approach. I got blown-out once ("I don't talk to strange men"), it was a mild one and said kinda playfully and not overly rude but still bummed me out a bit as she was totally my type and I was really keen on meeting her - I totally wanted to tap her MILF ass. The sets in here were tougher but did get a couple of great responses although from attatched women ironically. Why is that??

I opened a mixed set, one girl and two guys and went direct asking if she was dating either one of them. One of them looked kinda shocked or unimpressed and the girl didnt hook very well but I'm glad I've done this kinda approach at least once.

I kiss closed a girl that Keychain set me loose on which I was almost cockblocked on by her friend - I said, "do you wanna help your friend out deal with her BF problem or do you wanna talk to a hot sexy man?". I did all the stuff I was told and it worked well but was worried maybe it worked well cos she was drunk or a HB7 at most. I have a day 2 with her tomorrow but after seeing her FB profile (*shudders*) I'm very tempted to flake her ass. It grossed me out, bro.

I also Facebook closed a HOT-ASS hired-gun (I knew she'd never give her no.) but I annoyed her when I saw her outside after the club closed when I said, "I almost didnt recognise you with clothes on". I really wanted her too - she was hella HOT. FUUUUCK!!! One of the other students, vetoed me into approaching a 2 set which hooked well...I enjoyed the challenge but think it was too easy. I should have number closed but for some reason told her to look for me on FB. It was outside the club where I also witnessed Vercetti open a girl that he genuinely liked - that was very motivating...I only wish I saw her first!!

The next seminar focussed on seduction and comfort. I heard about some blow-outs some guys got like the girl shoving her hand in one student's face and Mr. M's "Fuck off, Bruce Lee" from an AMOG...man, those scared me and I would have been totally pissed if I had either of those esp the Bruce Lee remark. I really wish Vercetti had moved in on those incidents when I heard he was the type to defend his friends in situations like that.

To be honest, I thought the bootcamp would give me more. I'd read a lot of reviews and spoken to lots of alumini and seen them in action but with the knowledge I have now I still dont think I could acheive the same results as them - maybe it's a question of time and practise. I'd read so may reviews where people said they'd had multiple make-out partners but over the wkend, only about 4 of us had one make-out partner each...perhaps we werent pushing ourselves hard enough. I think I was expecting there to be some kinda super-secret sentences that attract women like a motherfucker. I dont doubt that I learned a lot though and I DO intend on applying what I've learned but only time will tell just how useful the experience was.

I want to thank Mr M, Vercetti and Keychain for their help and support - they were great guys who really cared about helping us as individuals and took us aside invidually too to speak to us about our sticking points. They were friendly, professional and easy to relate to with loads of patience. They taught us well and made everything clear. If I could change anything about the bootcamp I'd say start the day earlier to devote more time to the practical exercises and have more approach coaches. Also I'd have liked it if winging and codes had been covered...there were a couple of occasions when my sets were "invaded" when I didnt need them. Thanks to Vercetti too on his words about deaing with angry BFs...what he showed is something I hope I'll never have to do. Thanks to Keychain for his patience and understanding and help with daygame - I really felt I was getting more from him than the other students. Thanks to Mr M for his words on my inner game and his honest and deep view on my inner demons - this was a bit of a wake-up call for me and something I never really wanted to face.

This week I'm off to Hong Kong for the next 3 wkends and planning on tearing that place up. I'm on a mission to sarge and destroy. It's gonna be totally "gangster", dude. Here's to "spanky buuurds!" and being a balls-out sexy motherfucker.
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Old 08-31-2009, 02:40 PM
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I'd read so may reviews where people said they'd had multiple make-outs but over the wkend, only about 4 of us had one make-out each
Not me man, well one woman sure, but I made out with that slammin hottie Brazilian chick 7 or 8 times. OK I don't know how many times I lost count, but we were ALL OVER each other

I'll return to that

Before Nicky beat me to the punch I was composing a detailed breakdown of the seminar & everything that was thought. It was so long it was a farce, so I'll keep it short.

Headline - I had a major breakthrough during this bootcamp. Or I should say I had a major breakthrough as a result of this bootcamp. I felt liberated as a man. Literally I was walking around during the second in-field portion with this feeling of complete & utter liberation. No longer need I mask my sexual desire. The roadmap to getting girls is no longer full of tricks & pretending you don't like her & blah blah blah. As the instructors said, this is Man Game, & it just cuts the bullshit!

As soon as I introduced myself on the first day the instructors told me they saw serious potential in me, that I was nearly there already & that for me it'd just be about man up, get in, escalate & close. I knew they weren't bullshitting me because it wasn't a case of "oh everyone in this room is just a tweak away from being great". The feedback was directly to me & they were absolutely right.

Vercetti commented on how he could see a beast in me that just needed to be unleashed. This is exactly what was liberated when I talk about feeling liberated.

On the point of the individual feedback I want to say I was very impressed & completely delighted with this. This was not a "one size fits all" experience. Mr.M tailored his bootcamp around the group of people he was teaching. He knew 7 of us were wings already & thought us in this context.
It wasn't "hi, I'm Mr.M, welcome to bootcamp, here's the lesson plan". He though the essential teachings yes, but it was very much an experience of "right, I'm finding out about you guys & then I'll know how best to teach you".

Every student was thought on a very individual level too. All of the instructors worked with the students on things very specific to that person. I would like to compliment all of the instructors on being great teachers & not just guys who are great with women. Their ability to size up their students & know how to teach them on a very individual level was superb.

I want to make the point in case no-one else gets around to it that these instructors are men who are passionate about improving the lives of their students. I could just feel it oozing off them the whole time, they're not doing this for money, or fame, they are doing it because they really want to make a difference in peoples lives. If you are thinking about a bootcamp know that if you put your faith in Mr.M, Vercetti & Keychain they will give you 100% effort to improve your life.

Another thing to point out is that these guys will not bullshit you, they are totally honest on what's good & where improvements are needed. On the very first exercise I had to open Mr.M direct.
Up I walk, deliver opener.
Mr.M - Stand up more straight, stop tilting your head, stop that weird mouth thing.

Subcommunications formed a huge huge part of the Man Game they were teaching, & having them ironed out for me at the classroom stage was very helpful & had me ready by the time we got to the field.

Second day exercise - physically escalate on Mr.M
So I do
Mr.M - ok stop looking like you're going to kill me

He ironed it out man.


First day in-field was about being social with people early on, & then opening & transitioning as we were thought. Each instructor spent time with me. I was beginning to have my awakening when literally every set I opened direct hooked. Maybe that was just a fluke to get 100% hooking, but it definitely helped me realise the power of the Man Game! I number closed one of the girls, but honestly it was a number for the sake of a number. She was hot, & I had that moment where I just knew she'd give me her number so I went for it. I text her & later got a shockingly illegible reply something like she gave the wrong number here's the real number. I just left it.

Second night in-field I must admit started slowly for me. Our objectives were to engage, move & escalate. To number & kiss close if we could. Check check check check check
It did start slowly. Keychain sent me into my first set, they were nothing special, kinda ugs to be honest but it was to get me chatting & sociable. (by the way, I got a real kick out of the way Keychain sent us into sets, just cool as you like "there are a couple of lovely ladies to your left, how about you go talk to them". Ok )
So in I go just chatting. They prob thought it was a bit weird because I was just chatting. Funny how my mind has switched now to think that. Anyway quite separate from kino escalation on the road to sex, I tend to touch people anyway. I was just being touchy with the chubby one & she just blurts "Will you stop touching me!!"
Interesting though how over the two nights, no girl I was actually sexually interested in said that to me.
Then I had a couple of sets that had boyfriends there with them. Hah, I just complimented the chap & exited. one guy was really enjoying the validation of being told he'd done well for himself & his girl was really hot.
I winged Nicky in a set that went ok, then we went upstairs. Nicky opened the hired gun & I had a sort of damn, not much is happening moment. Vercetti walked in & nudged me into the set beside me at the bar. Purely because of the context I used the "who gets served first" opener. She actually disputed my answer, but in a fun way.

Back downstairs Keychain nudged me into a set at the bar. Two set of girls in black dresses. Kinda funny, I go direct on one girl, & transition with "so what's the occasion?". It was a third girl's birthday. This is the Brazilian set by the way. The birthday girl enters & right away Fu(k the girl I opened I want this one
I pretty much kino them all, & lock in. It's going very well! Dublingame enters & I use the "this one is the good one" wing technique to show him who to talk to. Now I’m mini isolated with the target & I escalate the kino as we were shown. It's going swimmingly. The sexual beast in me is pretty much wide awake at this stage as my eyes open to the simplicity with which you can escalate & bring things in a sexual direction. Honestly I think in this one I did Mr.Rapid escalation Keychain proud. I tried the 3 kisses game (not something that was thought, I had read it before somewhere). She turned her cheek on the third kiss. It's a "not yet", not a "no"
Number closed & exited. From that point on I was just fecking on fire! It was like everything just fell into place & this is where I was walking around feeling amazingly liberated.
Mr.M had talked about being easily distracted & being someone who follows their RAS. I was walking through the club with Vercetti & Tjin looking for a set for Tjin to open, & twice in a short space of time the lads had to look behind going "where did he go" because my RAS just lit up & I followed it. First was a group of hot girls dancing we walked past.
Me - hot girls dancing!! Bang in I went.

Then back to following the boys, then Bang I'm blocking a hot girl’s path going "What's the password?". "Eh move" (said with a huge smile on her face) "No, you have to be polite" "ok, excuse me please", "ok you may pass" & then back to the lads.

Then the three of us were in a 2 set & I was running kino & licking the girl’s ear posing for pictures & stuff. Was just awesome stuff.

Fast forward a bit & I'm downstairs again with Dublingame & Steve (who was close to an SNL himself btw). Dublingame says "hey is that the Brazilian set from earlier?"
In I go, Capture - Recapture. Straight in arm around her. There are now two men in the set. Shake hands & acknowledge, showing respect. Target has a drink in her hand. I take it & give it to her friend & tell her "I'm taking her to the dancefloor, I'll have her back to you in 10 mins". Take target by the hand & just lead her through the crowd, Vercetti style. This is super awesome Man Game stuff!! I take her to the dancefloor, there's a slow Take That song on, we dance for about 20 seconds (when I say dance I really mean ramped up kino!) then I just gaze her eyes, forehead to forehead & it is over! Bang in with the full on make out. I pull back first after a bit, Eskimo kiss (nose rub) then more making out. We made out a heap of times, as I mentioned earlier we were all over each other. She was a quality kisser too, sucking my tongue & lip & stuff. Fecking superb
I told her I was taking her back to her friends, & we ran into a guy friend of hers. This was pure gold; I was talking to him showing him respect while running ninja kino on her, tracing shapes on her back with my fingers. Awesome. Then I took her away & led her through the crowd again to find her friends. When we did I told her I'd call her tomorrow, then I went outside & gave Mr.M a great big hug. Cheers man.

Mr.M said he’s probably changed how my kids will look, & you know what, I’d say he’s right.
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Old 08-31-2009, 03:19 PM
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I'd read so may reviews where people said they'd had multiple make-outs but over the wkend, only about 4 of us had one make-out each...
I meant one make-out partner each.
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Old 09-01-2009, 04:28 AM
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hey id just like to start by thanking the 3 instcuctors vercetti,mr.m and keychain and the 8 lads for a great weeknd,before the weekend i was pretty useless at talking to birds well georgous birds anyhow like i couldnt keep them talking to me for more than a minute wich was a pain in the you know what,but now after the bootcamp i see what mistakes i was actually doing wrong thanks to the experience of the instructors wich are 3 gods in my eyes,man you should see these guys work wenever me or any of the other students asked the instructors to show us how its done they would go over open the set have the girls laughing,drooling and hanging off there every word then come back with the number or numbers from the one set it was absolutley amazing i have to say somthing i want to be doing real soon.now il get started on what i learned from the weekend well we 1st came into the room and 7 of the students already knew each other and have been winging each other for a while now so i was thinking damn im screwed here these will be alot more advanced at picking up than me but it turned out they were in the same boat as me apart from a 2 or 3of them.at the start we all just introduced ourselves individualy and said were we were in the game (which was nowere lol) then we kicked off by doing a full day of opening and trasitioning wich was a good to start with but i do think we should of done a bit of attraction aswell because when we went out that night we were all opening and transitioning alright but we were running out of things to say very quickly and i think we could of done by practising the excersises for a bit longer before we go out because 20 mins isnt enough,i no mr.m couldnt do much about that because it is alot of information he has to bait into our brains and not enough time to do it,as we went out the 1st night i was very nervous as i usualy have a few drinks to get a bit of courage as we do but the second we went into the club keychain told me very calmly to open up a seated set wich by this point there was urine rolling down my leg lol now thats what i love about keychain hes the most laid back person i no and when he asks you to open a set he does it so calm but i do the total opposite heart pumping sweating dieing to just run out of the club but in the end its all for the best and the 1st few openings are bone rattling so i did the set and it went well until i ran out of things to say so i just told them i would talk to them later then going through the night i was asked to open alot of sets and wing the other students and it was all going well apart from a few minutes into the sets when id keep running out of material,all in all it was a great experience were my mistakes were told to me after each set which is great help and i number closed a polish bird happy days and im still talking to her at the moment.the second day is what i was looking foreward to the attraction the bread and butter of pick up but before that we debriefed from the night before and were told individualy what we done wrong and what we have to work on,the whole day was about attraction which there is loads to learn from an mr.m is brilliant at breaking it down and explaining now from day 1 there was a communication problem with me and mr.m for some reason he couldnt understand me i personally think all screaming women in his beds over the years affected his hearing but luckily he brought a interpreter conor the rockstar lol but as day 1 we didnt do enough of practising the excersises about 20 minutes again,then we went out that night for the in field part of bootcamp which was really cool and i learnd alot and could talk to the birds a bit longer than the 1st night but then id run out stuff to say now i know i just have to make a routine stack an stick to it then i can work on body language,tonality,kino etc,now tonight i concentrated on opening using a direct opener ''you are fucking georgous who are you'' vercetti style which i think is well better than the opinion opener i was using the 1st night because i was getting more responses and the birds knew exactly why i was talking to them (hitting on them) unlike the opinion opener were it would take some time before they realised i was trying to crack the code to get into there g-string,i number closed some bird but it was a flake in the end which is going to happen,now the 3rd day we debriefd and were told our mistakes and what we have to work on then we went into comfort,qualifying and seduction to finish off the bootcamp.to some it all up the bootcamp was a excellent experience and would recomend it,i was expecting more out of it basicaly i was expecting a miricale i realise you cant be changed over a weekend you need lots of practise wich i will be doing,the bootcamp tells you how exactly to get the birds and they try to get rid of your mistakes and it works but its up to us the students to keep going out and using what we learnd to become a pick up artist,thanks again to big vercetti love your game man straight to the point horndog haha,keychain topman an great at what he does as he proved and mr.m cheers for a great weekend i learned a shit load now il recomend a book for you its called how to learn irish for dummies lol just buzzing with you. joe1Project Rockstar
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Old 09-01-2009, 04:25 PM
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I'm on a mission to sarge and destroy. It's gonna be totally "gangster", dude. Here's to "spanky buuurds!" and being a balls-out sexy motherfucker.
lol Nicky! !

Hey guys,

here's my review:

My game before bootcamp: Have always gone indirect and with a fair amount of success, its been on a slow steady progression(just haven't had enough time in week to practise apart from Saturday nights... thats kind of changed recently though). Was at a point around Christmas time getting phone numbers, kisses and day2s. After Christmas I took some time off from sarging and found my game took a bit of a dive.

My mindset before the bootcamp: I will do what it is that works in order to achieve my goals. This doesn't mean I will do anything unethical(eg. if my goal is to have sex with a girl, obviously I'm not gonna rape her), but if indirect works best, I'll do that. If direct works, I'll do that. I'm always open to trying new things, and always will be. So anyhow, before going on the bootcamp my thoughts were "Ok, I'll put aside what I think I know and I'll do whatever they suggest or recommend. No excuses, no wimping out... of anything." I'm here to learn as much as I can and apply as much as I can.

The seminar:
Probably the biggest thing I took away from the bootcamp was on "sexual tension" and displaying "sexual intent" and being congruent with it in order to subcommunicate it accurately with your bodylanguage and attitude. Even though I'm pretty used to breaking rapport with girls in set from what I'm already capable of, and creating tension and kino-escalating, I've found that this upped my ability to escalate on girls by a full notch. This is the gear needed to really drive your set forward in my opinion.

The next thing for me was attraction. Knowing the various types of attraction such as Buying Temp, Value, Warm & Fuzzy etc. Knowing why certain types are needed more than another in certain situations and knowing to use it/what will cause it.

Apart from what I mentioned there was a whole lot more, also pretty important, various models, concepts and techniques(we were given quite a good bit of these but not a tonne). Most of the time in the seminar was Mr M up talking about those various topics and he went pretty deep into it. This was excellent. We did some practical work also and of course debriefs of infield work.

Infield:
1st Night - I wasn't too sure if I was supposed to be watching the instructors do their thing first, or go into set with them, or do my own sets. So of what I can remember, first thing I did was watch Vercetti and one of the other lads wing him when we moved off to get into it. Would have loved to have heard what was going on, because it was looking good anyway. Soon enough Keychain noticed some sets around and brought it to my attention . So I decided I should greet them. The first 2 or 3 sets I went indirect but didn't push them that far. Then I went direct... time to try this so-called "Man game". The first approach didn't seem to tough at all, when I can still clearly remember times out infield before the bootcamp *trying my best* to attempt a direct approach. I think what made it so easy was 2 things. One, the practise from earlier on what to say and how to transition from the seminar portion. The second thing was the fear of letting the instructors down and knowing also that if I didn't do it, I'd be wasting time and not learning. And I came here to learn and get the most out of it.

Ok, anyhow, first direct set didn't go great. After I left I noticed a moment later after I'd opened and attempted to transition a guy was with her(possible bf) but I didn't see him at the time. Soon enough I did another direct set and it hooked very well, introduced her to one of the wings when she asked me who I was here with until her friend came along and dragged her off(I could've played this better now that I think of it). Next I watched Mr M in his sets and watched him wing some of the guys. I loved the way he "hug-moved" a girl in order to isolate the wing with his target. I made a mental note to use that in future for getting isolation and for locking-in. When he was doing well he appeared on fire, though he got blown out a few times also.
Outcomes from night1: 2 phone numbers

2nd Night - First off, went with Keychain and 2 other lads. Tonight I was goin direct all night(since the 2nd night is the last night, I decided to push on Man Game). First set was a 4 set(I always seem to remember the first set, best set and worst set if theres one... other sets are a bit of a haze). Went direct but she and her friend close to her moved off a slight bit to one side. So I introduced myself to the other two then in order to build just that bit more social proof. For some reason, I was going blank after the opener and couldn't remember many transitions. Keys gave me a mini stack to go with(and usually I'm pretty good when it comes to stacks from the indirect game and the transitions aren't a whole lot different). Next set after the others had been launched into set, Keychain happened to notice a two set at the other side of the bar . Over I went. Opened and hooked(just about, a little initial ploughing helped). Then Keys came to wing and I introduced. We isolated them and I locked in after a few moments. At some point he left, and the obstacle left and I had full isolation. He came back and said we were goin to another area or something so I it was time for me to get a number... thinking about it now I should've gone for the kiss, since I'd escalated her enough, I'm nearly sure I wouldn't have had any reisistance. The next couple of sets I mostly received blowouts. Nothing really too harsh. 1 or 2 more sets of the whole night hooked, but the remainder were blowouts. I'd say I opened approx 10 or 11 sets in total. Majority of sets I opened in first half of the night. Second half I opened about 2 or 3 which really is like nothing unless they were long sets... and they weren't. One set I opened when I was walking around on my own, I opened in an extremely loud part of the club just for the sake of it and she was hot enough for me to go do it, I tried introduce myself to the obstacle as well but she couldn't hear, and when she did on second time"I'M JALT(well I used real name)!", she says "good for you".

Instructors:
Mr M - Excellent at teaching the material, breaking it down, simplifying it and analysing. Very critical on the finer details of things and spotting where and how to improve.

Keychain - Very charismatic guy. Just really exudes charisma from his bodylanguage, expressiveness, actions, stories and way in which he tells those stories, his humour. Cool cool guy.

Vercetti - Man this guy is super smooth. I didn't work much with him at all on the second night apart from one or two sets I was close to him. Of the three instructors, I could really see myself modelling his game. He suggested to me about "being the panda bear", and I can see how that really works very well for him also. On one set from the first night I opened her direct and she couldn't speak English very well... my qualifier "so who are you?".. she says "I am woman"... I could feel it as I tried asking her again, it felt like the wrong thing to do. Vercetti suggests "man you should've said 'I AM MAN!'" like a caveman's tone or an ape or something. Now when I heard that, THAT felt right, and what I should have said. When it comes to dominance Vercetti has the perfect balance on it. And balance is everything.

Conclusion: Very good learning experience from the seminar and the infield. Like I began with, I use what works. I can see myself continuing direct but most likely not every single set. Probably 1 direct set for every 3 indirect sets since I can still push the boundaries when I go indirect and still implement strong sexual tension and not get blown out initially and build value at the same time.
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Old 09-03-2009, 06:50 AM
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Thumbs up Dublin Bootcamp, 28 – 30 August 2009 With Mr. M, Vercetti and Keychain

Overview

A lot has already been said in the previous reviews about the format of the seminars and about the general structure of the event (thanks Nicky and the rest of the guys). Given that, I’m going to focus only on specifics in my review.

The first thing that stood out and that I really agreed with was what Bol said about the bootcamp not being a “one size fits all approach” to training us. There was an intelligence to the way the material was taught that I really appreciated.

As Bol said above, Mr. M tailored the Bootcamp in two ways. First, when he found out that seven of us were a fairly close-knit group who regularly went out together, he didn’t ignore that and just teach in a mindless way, churning out the standard stuff. He took it fully into account and adapted to that unique situation. Second, even with time constraints that made it impossible for him to cover everything, he tailored the teaching to each of us and spent lots of time on many different occasions during the weekend, working individually with each of us, both during the seminars and also during the in-field parts.

This was good. Very good. I was impressed and surprised by the degree to which the training was tailored in both of these ways, particularly the latter.
Again, as Bol said, Mr. M made a serious and admirable effort to find out about each of us specifically so that he could teach us in as personal a way as possible.

The only thing I’d change about the bootcamp, if an extra hour could be added to one or two of the seminars, would be to have more time spent on doing practical exercises with the instructors. The time we did have doing this was so useful that I was sorry we didn’t have more time. But as Mr. M said, without adding more time, doing more practical work would mean falling short on the theory – which they’ve tried before and the result was that at the end it felt a bit “hollow” (because the foundational theory wasn’t laid firmly enough). I guess the only solution would be to make the bootcamp longer ;)

The material that was taught has already been given a good “once-over” by the other guys so I won’t double up, but one example of something I learned that really helped and clarified things was (a) what the different ways of making women feel attraction are, (b) how to use them, (c) understanding that the appropriateness, or lack of it, of using the different principles on which “creating attraction” is based, depends on the context of the situation and on the logistics of the situation.


Examples

1.

In Daygame, the main things to keep in mind as your guiding compass are intrigue and value-based attraction, as opposed to, say, buying temperature attraction, which for obvious reasons is more suited to night time, high energy environments. Does that mean you shouldn’t tease or have fun at all? No, definitely not. What it means is that if she has no clue who you are and you just stop her on the street and starting busting her balls and then get her number, she probably won’t answer when you call because she will no longer be in the fun state you put her in when you met her and ... you’ll just be some random dude who she doesn’t know the first thing about. There’ll be more reasons for her not to answer than to answer.


2.

Similarly, escalating kino is also context-dependent: If the context is a high street clothes shop, it must be done in a way that is appropriate for a first meeting with a stranger in the day time, in an environment where she is surrounded by other people who could easily become aware of a guy who isn’t socially calibrated hugging her and spinning her around like a madman. In a bar/club environment, people are in a very different state than during the day when they’re shopping or walking back to their office after lunch.
The tools work; but they should be used in a way that demonstrates that the guy understands how they apply to different contexts. Being really high energy, joking around and being very animated is a little less appropriate at a bus stop, in a supermarket, or in the doctor’s waiting room than it is in a raging party!

These are just two examples of many that helped deepen my existing understanding of how to use the principles that Love Systems has talked about in the LS Insider. In a way, this is the sort of GPS guidance system (the six ways of creating attraction and when it makes sense to use them) that I’ve been looking for after several years of learning things in a less structured way. Less structure can be good in that it encourages improvisation which encourages creativity and “in-the-moment-ness”. However, as Mr. M pointed out, the bad thing about not having sufficient structure is that hindsight is NOT 20/20.

In other words, having structure allow you to look back, after any interaction and examine what the hell happened, what went well, what didn’t and what to do about it.

I like this way of thinking as it is directed in a way that is conducive to constant improvement and development, which we all want.



The Night Sessions

When people have asked me whether I “go direct” or “indirect”, I didn’t think much about what “direct” meant - until the bootcamp last weekend. I thought I was “pretty much” going direct, because I didn’t use opinion openers, because I hate them and feel like a chump using them, unless I’m in an art gallery or something, in which case I might say “what do you think?” gesturing to some painting she’s looking at.

In bars or clubs, or even on the street, I would just tell her how I felt, but in a way that made my reasons for talking with her not entirely clear. However, I would do that in a playful way, so that what my words didn’t make obvious, my vibe did.

Last weekend though and “Man Game” :) were different stories. I realised that “direct” really meant just that; telling her straight up why I am talking to her and “revelling in the act of expressing my intent and desires as a man” to quote Mr. M.

Why is this approach cool? Well, I learned yesterday after a good street approach that wasn’t direct, that it could have been stellar if I had been direct. It’s already starting to click in my head, after just a few days of letting the whole bootcamp experience sink in.

During the night sessions on the bootcamp, on my first direct approach, I felt like a tool. It just felt cheesy and stupid – and like something every other chump out there would say. But I quickly realised that it certainly is NOT something that every chump out there says.

The idea is to create “a movie moment” where she is literally stunned. I heard Carlos Xuma say that guys’ using the word “stunning” to describe a woman is not a good thing when you think about what it actually means; that the guy is so bowled over and so affected by beauty, that he is temporarily incapacitated – like a deer in headlights.

So, for a change, in this “movie moment” the tables are turned and all of a sudden there’s this rock of masculine pulsing... testosterone, standing there waiting for the deer (her) to wipe the doggy dinner bowl look off her face so that the conversation can begin!

Something in me has definitely shifted and I feel almost ready to take out all the “softeners” - as Mr. M cleverly called them - and start laying down the law.

The second direct approach was a horrible crash and burn disaster, but Vercetti had already explained to me (in a previous set) exactly what I was doing wrong, so this time, doing it wrong again, I was able to look at it afterwards and think “NOW I know why that didn’t work!”

My sub communication showed straight away that I wasn’t comfortable with it and the friend (obstacle) reacted with a look that said “LOOOSERRRRR!” and I made the critical mistake of reacting to her reaction instead of ignoring it, or, better still, blasting through the shit test and putting her in her place, by, as Vercetti said, “misinterpreting what she said and exaggerating it to a ridiculous fuckin’ level!”.

Over the course of both nights, Vercetti was just the coolest cat in town! I learned SO much from this guy about being an unapologetically masculine man and having an unbreakable frame that reacts to the slightest sign of female bitchiness with a “WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU JUST SAY?!!!” attitude and takes no prisoners.

It was magnificent to watch this guy in action. I was trying to plough through this cute little brunette’s bitch shield, basting away and then... in steps the Panda Bear (Vercetti) to kick some serious ass! She was putty, (PUTTY, I SAY!) in his hands less than a minute later.

Thanks V, that was a serious lesson in standards and setting boundaries.
At the end of the first night, Vercetti gave me and Tjin the most almightily ass-kicking, ball-breaking debrief that was equal parts hilarious, cutting – in a tough love way, and inspiring.

Vercetti, again, if you’re reading this; thank you, dude. I know that debrief was primarily for Tjin, but everything you were saying applied to me, as well.
Sheer Awesomeness. Be detached, be excellent, be gone. That is Vercetti.
There was more of the same from V the second night – specific ways fixing my sub communication to make the direct approach work. When I went into a set, to try it, it all fell apart and I messed it up, but... I feel I have already changed in the few days since last Saturday night and the “excellent-ness” of Vercetti will be seeping in for weeks and months to come as I go out and practice with my “Navy Seal Team”.

Mr. M was similarly fantastic, but in different ways. He pointed out stuff to me that has undoubtedly been holding me back for a long time. Again, sub communication. As Mr. M said; “You have to fix your sub communication for the direct approach to work”. But he didn’t stop there, he made it very specific and told me what exactly I had to do to stop shooting myself in the foot – for example, I was a “mouth-looker” up until and for some part of the bootcamp. I needed to look in people’s eyes! Pretty simple, right? Well, yes, if I had known I was doing it and that I needed to stop, but it had been an unconscious habit that I was unaware of.


Apart from that, there are the underlying reasons why I wasn’t comfortable always making eye contact for long periods and why it is so important that I get comfortable with it.

1. It is a sign that I was uncomfortable with tension.


2. Tension is your best friend when it comes to sexualizing interactions and raising the stakes! You gotta have tension! Vital. The release of the tension needs to happen at the, ahem, appropriate time – and not before:D

So, That’s One Small Step for Goose.... One... Giant Leap for Goose’s Game..

As if an intellectual understanding of this fact wasn’t enough, I had the one and only Mr. M to demonstrate what the whole “creating sexual tension thing” is all about.

At some point during the time he was talking to a cute blonde on Friday night, I noticed that SHE was a “mouth looker”! I told her this, we teased her a bit about it and then Mr. M continued... and taught her how to keep eye contact.

“Ok, look into my eyes.... no, no, you’re looking at my mouth again! Look into my eyes! Now, I’m going to count to ten and I want you to see if you can hold eye contact with me until I get to ten... one.... two.......... three............................”

With every digit, the line of dots got longer and longer, and the tension increased, more and more.... and more. At this point, their faces were about 2 inches apart...

I don’t know, but I’d be willing to bet that something was going on in this cute blonde’s pants – hee hee :-)

Now I get it, just like I get all the other things that combine to amp up the sexual tension, like proper kino, moving around the venue, push/pull (literally physically, as well as verbally), buying temperature and other attraction principles.

Unfortunately, I didn’t get much time to work with Keychain, because between doing sets, talking to the other guys, doing more sets, talking with Mr. M and Vercetti and doing yet more approaches, there just wasn’t time the first night.

However, on Saturday night, Keychain pointed out what was to be the first set of the night for me. I went in, did my thing and came back, after which I got some very practical and solid advice on how to get sitting where you want to be in a set.

It turns out that it all comes back to Man Game :)

You pretty much take them by the hand, move them where you want them to be and then sit down where you want. I had “locked in” against the wall, but could’ve done much better by just moving two of them, climing over seats, tables, the bar, etc :) and unapologetically sitting where I wanted to sit. Being able to do this is not only great for logistics, but it demonstrates a ballsiness and confidence that few guys have. So it’s serves as an introduction in itself – a little over the top, yes, but with a little bit of humour thrown in for good measure, you’ve got the perfect mix (do not quote me on that, readers, if you get beaten up!) and as Keychain said, “they will go along with it”.


Who would’ve thought! I’m looking forward to trying that next time I go out.
Keychain also taught his “Rapid Escalation” techniques during one of the seminars. They require some balls, but so does climbing over large obstacles in a social setting to get to talk to the girl you want to talk to – so I’m looking forward to giving those a shot at the next available opportunity.


Finally, I want to say, that having been in the community for several years now, I have been around the block enough times to know that there are A LOT of guys out there for whom this whole “women thing” is.... a serious problem... that has a serious and dramatic effect on their quality of life and overall happiness.


People who don’t understand how someone could PAY so MUCH MONEY to learn about social dynamics and how to have choice in their relationships with women, don’t really understand the following fact, for whatever reason:
Learning these skills is important. It is not trivial and it’s not something to be laughed at or made fun of for. Personally, I went through many years of misery to get to where I am and I want to say that this is a noble path and the guys who teach it are doing great and noble work.


Some guys want to “bang lots of hot girls”. Some guys want to find “the one” and settle down. Either way, both of those things are important parts of the path of life for the guys whose goals they are. Will banging lots of girls make a guy happy? No. It’ll make him realise that guys and girls getting together is a normal part of being an adult human on planet earth – and that suppressing that (because he has no other choice – or very little choice) will make a guy unhappy.


It will also increase his confidence and eventually, when he realizes that he has “been there, done that and bought the t shirt” (and had a shit-load of fun along the way!) it’ll make him realize that he deserves to be with a great girl and .... to quote Mystery: “have a good life” and I would add, a happy one, because he realizes that he has choice and he’s staying with his girlfriend or wife not because he has to (because he thinks he has no other options), but because he chooses to.

At least, having travelled the path for quite a while now, this is what I know and feel to be true.

So, why pray tell, am I talking about all this irrelevant stuff? It’s supposed to be a bootcamp review, I hear you say...

Yes, exactly. And the message above is my attempt to give credit where it’s due – to the mentors who teach this noble path of personal development.
My biggest personal breakthroughs have come from mentors in the community. You know who you are :)


Mr. M, Vercetti and Keychain - and all the other guys in Love Systems and the other companies that teach this - are making real, tangible positive differences to men’s quality of life, and sense of happiness and fulfilment.


Who would’ve thought that picking up chicks could be so important? :)

Thank you, Mr. M, you crazy, full-of-life and fun person, you!

Thank you, Vercetti, you funny, ballsy, cool-ass mo fo’in Panda Bear!

Thank you, Keychain, you Robert Plant-esque, rockin’ King of getting straight to the point!

And last but not least, thanks to my fellow wing men for their camaraderie, and to Jeremy and Savoy for putting this out there and making it possible for guys to get where they want to be as guys.


A milestone weekend on any guy’s journey to being the man he wants and deserves to be.



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OK, it's now about 3 wks since the bootcamp and since then I've been on holiday in Hong Kong. Over there, this is how I did:

5x day 2's (2 of them were just a case of meeting up the next night when they were going to be out again anyway with their friends but only 3 of them were actual "dates")

2x "girlfriends" ( I reached day 5 with both and one of them was an international model)

4x different make-out partners (I'm very disappointed in this)

1x same night lay from a random chick in a bar (not from one of the girls I was dating). This was done mostly on male dominace and the Apocalpse routine but had to get through about 2 hrs of LMR.

1x broken heart including tears when I left HK.

@ Keychain, I also did the "entering inbetween a seated 2 set" thing twice successfully - both were four sets.

So yeah, seeing as bootcamp wasnt long ago, I'm happy with getting up to day 5 with an international model (a Thai 22 yr old) and getting a SNL.
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Well done Nicky.

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Haha - always the perfectionist .

Glad to hear you had a good time and the bootcamp increased your success. Keep it up and go supernova!
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Hi Nicky,

Great to meet you HK. Very inspired by your positive attitude, dedication and enthusiasm for game. That model was super cute.

The Love Systems bootcamp sounds great. From what you say: teaching direct approaches and locking in by sitting in-between a 2-set, its obviously changed a lot since I took a MM workshop in 2006. I met Mr. M. in mid 2006 on a day 2 seminar in London, before he worked for love systems. Even back then he was one of the most helpful instructors.

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I am a friendly somewhat outgoing upon first meeting someone, but run out of things to say usually pretty quick. I am not very physically outgoing so Kino escalation is hard for me. I have never been comfortable in clubs. I usually have a girlfriend but when in between girls, or when I travel I go out to the clubs and try to pick up girls, most of the time with no luck. These are the reasons I took Mr. M’s Boot camp in Dublin.

The camp is very informative about social dynamics, attraction triggers, logistics and planning, and various progression models. All of the instructors, Mr. M, Vercetti, and Keychain, know the information well and are able to deliver in an easily understandable manner. During the practical exercises, all the instructors were very aware of any sub communication, (posture, body stance, and for me…I smile too much. : ) problems and were there to give advice and instructions to correct any one may have. I have since been practicing not smiling all the time and have actually have had good results, but that is another story. Point is they are able to point things out.

The instructors are not only a wealth of knowledge but they are also great motivators and sources of inspiration. They provide immediate motivation in the clubs by sending you on fun missions, “see that set, go open them and ……..”. Usually giving you a line that you would never dream of using, AND IT WORK! They can be inspirational because when you meet these top pick up artist and realize they are not Brad Pitts or Antonio Banderas and are in fact “Average Joes” as far as looks are concerned. Then to see them open gorgeous women and hook in and escalate physically within a few minutes of meeting, you can’t help but think, “If they can do it, so can I!”

Problems and suggestions for the course I have. As I mentioned before they put out tons of information on social dynamics, progression models, attraction triggers, story telling, buying temp and ect. But, knowing a woman’s attraction triggers are not going to get you laid unless you can put them into practice. Although we did do exercises to practice, it often seemed rushed, maybe was because we had a large class too. I would also like to see a practical exercise on storytelling. Such as, each person comes up with a couple of stories that they like to talk about, then have the instructors/class go though it and inbed more DHV’s into it, make it more interesting to hear, or make it turn sexual if possible without making it seem try hard. Then each student would be armed with a couple of powerful stories about themselves that they can truly be congruent with. I would have also liked to have spent more time on buying temp-teasing exercise. It was as a super fun exercise where they put a conversation on the board and you picked out trigger words. Sure one could do this exercise alone but the input and learning what others came up with was priceless. To sum it up, I just wish I could have gotten more practice with the pros to watch and help correct.

Before this class I was socially awkward as far as physical progression goes, I thought that if I touched someone even on the arm or back, I would have been brought up on sexual harassment charges. Thanks to Mom and my military and corporate sexual harassment training. Lol With this camp I really started to feel comfortable just reaching out and socially engage people with touch and then progressing to sexual touch. Watching people’s reactions and realizing that they really didn’t mind it and even liked it in most cases. It was a real eye opener what you can do with progression by building compliance.

I was never really comfortable in a club/party environment because in my earlier years I would go, ask girls I didn’t know to dance, get turned down or it goes no where. So it evolved that when I went to clubs I usually got a drink and leaned against the bar or wall and talked to my friend looking at all the hot girls. This Boot camp helped me by showing me what I should have been doing from the moment I walked into the club, and how easy it was…and it works! Both nights infield I actually felt like I belonged there and was having fun! I was comfortable, and confident and talking to super hot women. Even when using direct openers (Mr. M teaches good “Man Game”) and I had amazing results. It is such a rush to walk up to a 10, tell her she is “fucking gorgeous” and have her introducing herself and talking to you. Not just one or two, but most.

I definitely recommend a Boot camp to anyone who is socially awkward or shy, and if you want to learn “Man Game” and be a god to your friends, take Mr. M’s boot camp.

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