Love Systems Mini-Conference - New York, July 2009

Mini-Conference / Major Value

I have been putting off checking out a boot camp for quite some time. Do I want to spend the money? Do I have the time? Assorted other bullshit excuses (you guys all know what I'm talking about)....when I got the email last week talking about a special $100 4 hour seminar, I was a little skeptical. I figured all this was going to be was a glorified commercial for Love Systems . For $100 though, what did I really have to lose? I cannot tell you how happy I was to be wrong.

My mini-review of the mini-conference:

Big Business

The first instructor to speak Sunday night. His game is built on comedy in set and let me tell you- the dude is funny. Funny and QUICK man- I thought I was quick on my feet but he was off the charts. Great insight on improv and very clever SUPER EASY to implement techniques for deflecting shit tests and ensuring you never run out of things to say in set. At this point I'd gotten my moneys worth.

Vercetti

Before he ever said a word you look at this dude and know he is straight mack. V spoke about body language , inner game , and vocal projection. A lot of interactive stuff. Again- very easy to use techniques that I guarantee will help skyrocket your game instantly. I know what he taught me is going to help no doubt. He did a quick re-frame with me on a limiting belief that you had to see to believe. He took a limiting belief I've had for ages (regarding running out of steam and things to say in set), slapped it around like it owed him money, and re-framed it into something positive. Oh and this took him all of 20 seconds. At this point I'm thinking maybe I should volunteer to pay more for the conference.
(a special note on Vercetti - dude the whole English accent / theater trained voice thing? It's no fair man. Give us guys with the NY accents a break ok? STAY ON YOUR SIDE OF THE POND!)

Soul

OK for those of you who have heard of Soul , you know all about him being the day game master and direct game guru...I now know why. Wow this dude is smooth. The thing is it is in no way "player-smooth" though. It's completely sincere, genuine, and natural. His take on game is a little different from some of the other instructors and I felt it was great to see different styles work for different people. It is all about what works best for YOU. He showed some examples of his day game opening skills using students and honest- he is so good I could swear some of these guys were considering going gay for a second lol. Like the instructors that preceded him, he gave us all very easy things that we could take away with us to use immediately. Little tips on body positioning and eye contact etc. You get the feeling that Soul REALLY cares a lot about helping guys out with all this stuff. You can say that about all the instructors actually.

Calabrese

You might want to keep this dude away from your girlfriends. Your mom too maybe lol. Calabrese talked about NYC specific game and confidence. Really cool guy and if you have lived in NY all your life like I have, you can totally relate to where his game comes from. Great insight into the NY women's mindset. Here's a hint- don't be a pussy.

Lord Mega

Is like a mad game engineer. Talked about specifically HOW to learn game. It sounds like a simple thing but really it isn't. We've all been there at one point- taking in too much information from too many places....putting completely necessary pressure on ourselves. "It's just game guys"- a great quote from Mega that really rings true. There are certain things one should be doing when starting out, and certain things we can throw out the window (at least until you're ready for them) and Mega really helps put everything in check.

Each instructor took questions and there was a general Q & A at the end.

All of these guys seem like stand up, solid dudes. If any of you are on the fence I would recommend anyone reading this -take a bootcamp or 1-on-1 . I know I'm going to.

Thanks to all the instructors there last night and thanks to Love Systems for putting this mini-conference together. To say it was worth it is in the understatement of the year.

"Love Systems Mini-Conference - New York, July 2009"

Very, very good. Awesome value. Excellent Q&A. Strong showing of eager and dedicated NYC (and some elsewhere) aspiring pua's.

I went primarily for Soul 's day game . He rocked the house. His charm and genuineness works here, London, Oslo, Australia, or Fraggle Mothafuckin Rock. This London cat makes it very clear that manners work no matter what, no matter where. His day game skills are ill. He emboldened me not to give up the lifestyle I want because of social convention.

Big Business , as usual, gave solid humor game tools and bits. Tips like "heightening" and "Yes and..." are damn useful.

Vercetti is a pua force to be reckoned with. This London cat brought us into an abridged version his body language , voice, and movement course. Sub-communications are so f-uckin important, man. I'd like to see this cat in set.

Calabrese , bad boy from Jersey, broke down some solid work on inner game mixed with humor . His words on perception and motivation were great. I'd say that my identity is pretty similar to his. He'd use teasing , disqualification, and good kino game. I'm looking forward to watching this cat.

Lord Mega was last and his off-beat humor and presentation skills were odd but effective. He has a distinct humor about him. He gave a lot of useful information on how to learn from various PUA's and how to learn in the field. We're professionals. Get the job done! He's funny.

I'll be at the next one!

First let me start off by saying I haven't been able to justify spending $3k on a bootcamp or $1500 on a day game seminar . So, when I heard about the opportunity to attend a seminar for only a hundred bucks I jumped at the chance, and I'm glad I did. These guys are truly professionals, and no matter how much you read about them, it's impossible to tell until you meet them.

Big business got things started off, and let me tell you this is one funny motherfucker. I have the feeling that if I could be 1/10th as funny as this guy, I'd have pretty solid game. Gave some great tips on heightening, "yes, and" as well as some hilarious comebacks to standard girl responses. Can't wait to put his ideas to use.

V was up next, and despite fighting some jet lag (sorry if I don't feel too bad for you coming from pussy-filled Miami ;-) gave a great talk on body language , voice quality, movement quality & belief systems. Being loud in a bar/club environment is one of the biggest things I struggle with, and he gave us some good exercises from drama school to practice. After all, if the girl can't hear you, it doesn't matter how good your game is.

Then Soul came on to talk about day game . I'd seen a youtube video of him in action before, but he was even more impressive in person (even though there were no girls there). I've tried day game with indirect stuff before and the results have been dismal. I definitely see the reasoning behind being direct & putting yourself out there, no matter what the outcome. I've always wondered how the heck you are suppose to stop a beautiful woman walking down the street, and it seems Soul has tried every method & found the best one. Some tips about slowing things down, fully committing, and being willing to walk away were especially helpful.

After the last two speakers I was beginning to wonder if you needed an accent to be good at the game. Then Calabrese stepped up to the plate. Straight up dirty Jersey guy, just like me. Nice. He talked about inner game , which was especially relevant to me as I just finished a book on NLP and I think it's the key to a breakthrough. As a side note, I have a wing out west who just recently went from seeing 1-2 girls at a time to 11 and his key was simple: inner game work. I can relate because even after I've memorized routines, if I go into a set not feeling confident, I tend to strike out. On the other hand if I'm in the zone, it really doesn't matter what I say, things work out. Back to Calabrese , he is clearly the fucking man. One of the biggest things I took away was that for NY/NJ game you must go even more out of your way than normal to not be nice & bring attitude instead. I hope I run into you in Jerz sometime man.

Finishing things up was Lord Mega, who talked about another thing I struggle with - getting started. Often times when things aren't going well I'll become overwhelmed & give up on the game for a while. He talked about what I believe he said was "thin slicing", and I know as "chunking" from NLP. In other words, breaking things down into small goals or steps. His steps were approach, isolate, extract but many of you familiar with Magic Bullets will know the steps of approach, transition, attract, qualify etc. Either way, the important thing is even when you feel it's overwhelming, simply start off simple (approach & attract for me)... the important thing is to take action. One of my favorite lines: "It's ok if you take the action & get blown out, it's only not ok if you don't take the action." Now if only I had a wingman with that attitude...

The question/answer period proved very fruitful as well. One of my (and apparently many others) biggest problems is getting into a set & running out of things to say, leading to the set dying out. The instructors had some great tips to keep things going when you're stuck.

There were also some other instructors off to the side that chimed in with really helpful insight. One of the few disappointments was that I didn't get a chance to introduce myself & say hi to all the instructors, but we were on a tight schedule and there were about 60 guys trying to ask questions to about 8 instructors at the end, so it was simply not possible. Bottom line is that this was definitely worth the hundred bucks to get a brief take on some of the top experts in the field. For those of you hesitating to spend the big bucks like me, this is the way to get started.

Perhaps one of the most beneficial aspects of this conference were the networking opportunities. One of my biggest issues is that my friends either have girlfriends or suck with women, so I don't have anyone to wing with. On the way out, one of the guys took down my info & mentioned that some of the people attending the conference were going to organize a get-together - I really hope to hear from you. For someone without a wing , that in itself would be worth the conference fee.

Thanks to all the instructors, I hope I run into you guys again.

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"Love Systems Mini-Conference - New York, July 2009"

This was my first live love systems event and it was definitely worth it, in ways I wasn't really expecting. Each instructor had a very different style, and it was cool to be able to hear them speak and see where their different lessons could fit with my own game.

Jeremy gave some really smooth tips on Day Game , but that lesson can be learned by reading his writing and watching his videos. What I really enjoyed was a.) meeting him and b.) hearing him speak about his life/mindset. I ran into Jeremy on the way upstairs, and you can tell immediately the guy is not a cocky, in your face, try hard guy. His style is much more about quiet confidence. He really does come off as very genuine (everyone's favorite word to describe him it seems) and you feel good after speaking with him. But the best lesson I learned from Soul was something he wasn't even trying to teach. The guy just very obviously lives in his reality, without any compromise. Ex: What if a girl wants to be monogamous with you and threatens to leave you if you won't be? Simple answer, you only do something when you are the one who wants to do it, no one else is going to tell you how to live. It is clear that this guy is a rockstar with girls. He really seems to live by going after what he wants and not letting other people affect his actions negatively. This is a ridiculously important lesson. One other thing that was really funny at the conference: after a demonstration of a day game opener everyone was asking Jeremy questions about how he gets into such a genuine state and how he only opens so genuinely, when Future finally goes "Guys, you have to realize the guy just opened AIR! He could open a fucking chair and seem genuine." It made me realize that its not that he is in some magical state, but that these instructors have all put hours and hours of hard work into becoming so good at this, and its obvious from the moment they speak that those hours have paid off. (Side note: Future didn't give an official lesson, but I bet this guy is/was a monster of an approach coach. He is really really good at cutting to the core of someone's problems, without any bullshit. He says it like it is, without diluting his message in an effort to spare feelings. Everything he says is dead on.)

Big Business gave the most readily useable lesson of the conference, at least for me. I hadn't read much about Big Business , but his tips were money. I am definitely going to try to plan my bootcamp for a time when I can get Big Business there. A seminar alone with this guy will give you a million ways to improve your conversations with a girl. As he was saying some of his lines, I could see them taking a girls bitch shield and just shattering it. Great stuff.

Vercetti is another guy I didn't know much about before hand, but holy shit, this guy is good. I actually can't think of a description to do him justice. His body language and slow, controlled movements make it obvious that he kills it in field. He subcommunicates massive value. I got the feeling that V has won some sets over before ever speaking. Of course, it doesn't hurt that when he does speak, he has a deep voice that carries across a room. His lesson was the most intangible, on the topic of subcommunication. Its really tough to work on because you can't hear your own voice properly or see your own body language , but after seeing V teach I can see its definitely worth making a concious effort to control those aspects of yourself. I was even thinking about taking some drama classes to learn this after hearing him, but then Lord Mega's best practices lesson made a great point. Rather than spend time and money taking comedy classes and acting classes and build up some skills that feed into the skill of talking to girls, its better to just spend that time talking to some girls! So simple but so true.

Calebrese gave an inner game lesson that was really good, but nothing shocking. I have been reading nlp and read alot on setting & achieving goals, so for me this wasn't the best part, but if any guys out there are struggling with self confidence, self image, or goal setting, definitely take care of that first and foremost. Its clear that all of the instructors had tight inner game , I don't think you can get very good without it.

All in all, the conference was definitely worth it. Going there did not improve my game one iota. I would not be any better with women after this conference if I went, took notes, and then went about my life expecting to get better. It wasn't like a bootcamp, where I imagine they are in field with you and are drilling good habits into your head. But this conference will lead to Huge improvements in my game. I think that a bootcamp will probably almost automatically improve one's ability with women in some way; this conference was more about teaching me how I can work to improve myself in specific ways and get better IF I implement what I was taught and work hard in the areas they shared their lessons in. I am struggling to articulate exactly what I mean, but suffice to say that the conference was well worth it, will lead to improvements in my game, and that I would absolutely take the opportunity to learn more from any of these guys.

While I agree with the generally positive tone of the above reviews, I have to make some comments about how it could have been better.

Disappointments

Soul - I thought there was supposed to be a talk on Sexual Escalation. Looking at the advertisement, I see it listed.

"SOUL on Sexual Escalation

In addition to his Day Game presentation, Soul will teach a second session on his other main area of expertise: advanced sexual framing, as well as getting into and managing open relationships."

All I remember was Soul asking, "Are there any questions on escalation," and then jumping to the next speaker when nobody raised their hand. Frankly I think everyone was waiting for a talk on escalation, and didn't have questions prepared.

Calabrese - He gave a couple of tips about Gaming int he tri-state area, but I think they were fairly basic. This guy has a lot more to offer I think and I was a bit disappointed with his short comments.

Lord Mega - He had a nice three part short model on gaming which is noted above in the other reviews. He was sort of rambling around though and needs to tighten up his presentations. He could have gotten a lot more in during the time he spoke.

Soul 's talk and demos on Day game , Vercetti 's talk on Sub-comm and Big Business 's talk on Comedy were excellent.

All in all it was good, but could have been even better.

Originally Posted by Northern Lights

While I agree with the generally positive tone of the above reviews, I have to make some comments about how it could have been better.

Disappointments

Soul - I thought there was supposed to be a talk on Sexual Escalation. Looking at the advertisement, I see it listed.

"SOUL on Sexual Escalation

In addition to his Day Game presentation, Soul will teach a second session on his other main area of expertise: advanced sexual framing, as well as getting into and managing open relationships."

All I remember was Soul asking, "Are there any questions on escalation," and then jumping to the next speaker when nobody raised their hand. Frankly I think everyone was waiting for a talk on escalation, and didn't have questions prepared.

Calabrese - He gave a couple of tips about Gaming int he tri-state area, but I think they were fairly basic. This guy has a lot more to offer I think and I was a bit disappointed with his short comments.

Lord Mega - He had a nice three part short model on gaming which is noted above in the other reviews. He was sort of rambling around though and needs to tighten up his presentations. He could have gotten a lot more in during the time he spoke.

Soul 's talk and demos on Day game , Vercetti 's talk on Sub-comm and Big Business 's talk on Comedy were excellent.

All in all it was good, but could have been even better.

I appreciate your feedback man. We all live and learn with every piece of work we do. I'll use these points to help ensure next time's mini-conference is even more kickass.

On the Sexual Escalation stuff, I had hoped to give a more elaborate, structured talk on it, but in the end we were running short of time and I made a judgment call on whether to have 20-30 minutes on sexual framing stuff or to have a catch-all extra long Q&A session.

With so many people at the mini-conference, I decided to have an extended Q&A session instead as I felt that would help the most number of people there - specifically as we seemed to be getting a large number of questions during the talks.

That said, I apologise if this came at the sacrifice of specific sexual escalation stuff that you were hoping to hear, and I will certainly aim to include this at future conferences. In fact, I may well speak to Savoy and ask if I can do a segment on it at the Las Vegas Superconference this October.

First things first, the hallway where we lined up to get into the room was an inferno. This was a small sacrifice (it is summer in NY) & I was only in the hall for like 1 minute before getting in the room. The place they held the session seemed to fit everyone nicely & it looked like a good room but in an economical venue.

I keep looking at the newsletters & wondering whether I should do a bootcamp.

Then, this thing popped up for $100 & it was conveniently located & it seemed worth a shot.

I'd never met in the flesh any of the people in the community. I must say that everyone was really cool & just seeing each person face-to-face in a room was helpful. I focused heavily on attire & viewing everyone in person gave me some tips (as I write this, I still need to act on like all of those things).

Speaking of attire, one classic moment was Soul changing into some very unique shoes in preparation for going out to a club after the event. This reminds me I need to go buy myself some of those shoes.

Big Business 's watch had me staring at it too -- and of course, all of these things were by design & they never mentioned any of these things because they didn't have time & these things came second nature to the group.

I do agree the X-Men names are weird. It was cool to hear everyone's real names. The guy next to me was stunned that I wasn't on the forums.

Looking around the room at the other 60 people there, I got to see that I was ahead of at least 75% of the attendees. Considering I spend way less time on it & just try to fit in stuff when I can, this was a real ego boost. Just remembering that you are competing against a bunch of men who know nothing in the real world & then for the group that is trying to get better that there are tons of people with A LOT of work to do, well it was helpful.

Big Business was first. That was another cool thing -- depending on your game, you could look at the different instructors & say... my stuff is the closest to this guy, & I'll pattern myself after what he does well.

He had an absolute gem that I was doing wrong. He told us to tell girls that I was having fun talking to them while in a conversation. I'd never done this before. He also said move off this point fast (so I'm doing that now too). It is crazy to see how saying this changes a girl's expression as you kind of raise up a flag saying hey I'm in to you -- then you go back to normal game. She starts processing the interaction differently which really helps. I've had a couple successes with that point.

The whole time Vicente was talking I kept thinking to myself that I didn't need to pay attention as I do most of the things he talks about naturally. But he had several gems. Well one: just seeing him live what he preaches was great. Two: I talk way to fast -- I talk way too loud -- I forget his tips all the time but I remember them like 30% of the time -- ratcheting down my problems thanks to his part just by 30% has resulted in better interactions.

Soul touched on qualification & a rap on his 4 key value points that he conveys. This is a huge area I still need to work on. I never do this during on the street interactions. I've got this down on dates but not on the street. I get it & it was cool hearing it from him.

Also, just the whole direct approach. I'd never used it before the session. I've worked up the nerve to use it once since the session. I had 2 beers in me & I was in workout clothes & I bumped into a model. I used the direct approach & we've exchanged texts - she was visiting from out of town for like a day blah blah blah (so I still have to work on Soul 's insta-date thing but I've used the direct approach once since the session & I got girl's info so that says I need to try this more). Hopefully I'll get over my fear.

Also, I did this approach at a spot in the city where I asked Soul for tips on how to do approaches in this spot (during a break). He said he never does anything in the locale I'm aiming for (translation to me: awesome as that means more prospects for me) but he gave me some good pointers.

Calabrese brought the NYC perspective. I'm just not this guy. I learned a few things but he didn't fit me. It did fit some people in the room.

Lord Mega made me think about some good things too. He came up with an idea for outfitting my apartment to help with things which I really liked.

I asked a question - thanks to Soul seeking out my question. My question was definitely more personal than most people in the crowd would have been comfortable asking but what did I care what 60 dudes thought & it was an area I needed help in -- and all the instructors took my question very seriously & really helped with it (including a guest guy from the forums who was just hanging out).

Since the seminar, with some of these tips from the seminar definitely helping, I took a girl I'd met in a group twice & took her from a bar scene to a cab "to go get a drink" where things went so far in our 40-block cab ride (we were going the opposite direction she lived too) that she said out loud "you know, I wouldn't mind if we just went back to your place" -- and I of course started razzing her for being so forward.

I'm really economical when it comes to this stuff so I don't know if I'll ever take the plunge for a bootcamp. I know if I took two of them, I'd get to a really top notch level. But I enjoy the sport of trying to get better myself too. I met some people through the seminar. I haven't linked up with them but I've thought about it. All good stuff. Oh, and knowing who would be a good person to do a bootcamp with because their style matches yours is a benefit from this too.

Thumbs up from here.

-Z