Thread: Always close the deal

Although I feel like I ll get the Mr Obvious award for 2009 with this post here it goes:

As I posted on some other thread many girls complain about guys not kissing them (guys that the girls go out with).

"I like this guy a lot but we ve been on 5 dates and still he hasnt kissed me. I dont know what to think. He doesnt like me? He has no experience? I dont want to kiss him first. Isnt that something a man should do?"

Now if you want my personal opinion on this... Its pretty sad. I mean you go out with a girl that you want to have sex with or a relationship of some kind and you know your goal but you chicken out on the steps?

Not being able to close the deal (and I am not talking about sex here, just kissing her) is from where I am now pretty weak. You entered a community with information that guys like me that started 5-6 years back had no access to and you pretty much have EVERYTHING YOU NEED to seduce her and you still cant get over yourselves and just kiss her?

From all the girls I ve kissed only 2 of them avoided my kiss and this was because of logistics rather than because they didnt want to kiss me. Think about it. 2 out of MANY!!!

As a girl told me after some time she wasnt sure about me till the moment i did the move to kiss her. Yeap thats right. Just the initiative and dominant composure you have at that moment is enough.

So why kiss her? (Another obvious award goes toooo....) Think about it. When you kiss her you know if she likes you or not. If she does great. If she doesnt it leaves you with the option to next her and the option to keep trying (I wouldnt recommend it since at the same time you spend with this girl trying to "convince her"to like you you can find 5 other girls. But thats just me).

Its called time management people. And sure I know this one is special and so on but guess what! She aint special. Its just that you are at a point where u have progressed and you are just lazy to look for some other girl and start from scratch. Awe! Sure all girls are special... After I sleep with them. Not before.

On the other hand go back and think how many kiss-less dates you had. I have some bad news for you. At least half of those girls likes you and wanted you but your lack of balls to kiss them left them disappointed (girls tell me this) and after you went to 100 dates with her she also went to 1-2 dates with PUAs or naturals or whatever that actually kissed em and you lost em. Shock and awe again? Its getting better.

THE RULE!

Most of the community stuff I read are indeed guidelines. You can morph em to your own personality and build from there. BUT there is ONE RULE. This worked for me EVERY - SINGLE - TIME.

If the 10 hours with her have passed (in extremely rare times 12 hours) (credit Mystery and Savoy ) and you havent had sex with her its over. This is for all these threads where people tell me they go out with these girls for 14234892 dates and they think the girl is shy (yeah right) and they dont want to scare her away you have lost. The same girl (as someone said) will call her booty call and be fucked in the ass while you think she is the Princess prude.

I wont get into detail why this works (get yourselves Magic Bullets ) but for me this was a rule. Now you ll tell me... "Have you never had sex with a girl you knew for a longer time? Like college and stuff?" Sure I did. But the relationship didnt move on. You know why? Because if you have sex in 10 hours max (thats roughly 3 dates) you are still that mysterious guy she met. After that the comfort levels go up and the attraction goes down. The chemicals that control her arousement are replaced with chemicals of comfort and habit.

Also think about it. Why would you wanna take more time? Do you only game one girl??? You need to have time for the other girls in your life. New girls and girls you already have sex with. You dont have time to spend 100 hours with every new chick you meet. Very beautiful women dont spend 1 hour with EVERY MAN they meet. They plan carefully with who they go out. Simply they dont have the time go with all these men. You should do this also.

Some reasons men dont go for the kiss:

Ofcourse fear the girl will start screaming, make a scene, take out a chainsaw and start cutting you in small pieces and feed you to her shark etc... (ok I went a bit overboard)... Worse thing she ll do? She ll turn her cheek. OMG this is scaring you I know. I am shaking also...

Another reason is you are so caught up in looking for OBVIOUS IOIs and counting the IOIs (I am on IOI number 56 she tilts her head on a 45 degree angle with her lips being all red etc...). Want to know what I do? I ignore them. Some girls have habits like playing with her hair, licking their lips, being overly friendly etc. When I talk to a girl I WILL close her. By default in my mind she likes me so I dont have to spend countless hours DHVing and playing 1000 games with her. Attraction goes on for max 15 minutes. If you are in attraction phase for 2 dates you are doing something TERRIBLY wrong.

Another reason is they actually enjoy the attention. These tools gave you the power to have women eating out of the palm of your hand and this is something you like to the point it becomes addictive. But staying to long in a phase will kill your whole game. You need to move forward. You ll get attention later... in the bed.

The worse of all: You play hard to get before even showing and give value. In attraction you will do 90% of the talking. Get over yourself. Unless you are a celebrity, you have a Mercedes Mclaren SLR and you have a lot of money you need to actually give to get. Most people I know try to make the girl talk or they punihs her for good behaviour or they just lean back before even doing any attraction game and think the girl will instantly try to game them. This is lame if you ask me. (I know you did I read your mind).

Every girls you didnt approach and every girl you didnt kiss is a girl you might have had great sex with, threesomes , even marriage. Its frustrating seeing people going out with girls for 100 dates and spend 1000s of hours with a girl only to ask what went wrong. Obviously you didnt kiss her. That went wrong.

That was me brainstorming into the obvious realm so if you managed to read all this I ll give you a cookie.

This is the definitive work on pickup and dating theory, written by an acknowledged master of the game - a guy who’s TRAINED many of the new “gurus” on the scene!

.. And the award for Mr. Obvious 2009 goes to....

SILVERGHOST...

Hahahaha, just messing, bro,

Great post.

Good post, man. Made some very valid points.

You claim that after 10-12 hours of no sex in an interaction it's over.

What do you say about the actually religious girls, that won't put out for the life of them.

Also, I have a friend that has been in love with this girl since grade school, and they always dated on and off, but he was severely friend zoned for years, then all of a sudden he fucked her.

I would change your statement of "If the 10 hours with her have passed (in extremely rare times 12 hours) and you havent had sex with her its over." to

If in the 10 or 12 hours you haven't at least kissed her or created strong sexual attraction , then it's over.

Real attraction stays for years, the intrigue we create with routines and witty remarks during an approach can dissipate.There really are no clear cut rules in this game though...I break "rules" everyday.

Pretty obvious, I mean I wouldn't fuss around too much kissing a girl, even when I was a teenager, but hey, maybe this is just me. Good post and hopefully some guys will mind it. I think the most important part is not logistics, but building up tension. If you can build up some sort of sexual tension, by implying that you 2 are going to make out, it already arouses her and makes her more open to the final move.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by CMPitts

.. And the award for Mr. Obvious 2009 goes to....

SILVERGHOST...

Hahahaha, just messing, bro,

Great post.

I wanna thank my parents, the people here in the forums, my friends, my dog Killer... lol

Originally Posted by swaggerr

You claim that after 10-12 hours of no sex in an interaction it's over.

What do you say about the actually religious girls, that won't put out for the life of them.

Why would you choose a girl like that in the first place? Its like saying I like this girl but her bf is a killer. Well if you value your life dont try to pick her up lol. I answer the reason you dont want a "shy" "religious" girl on your second point:

Originally Posted by swaggerr

Also, I have a friend that has been in love with this girl since grade school, and they always dated on and off, but he was severely friend zoned for years, then all of a sudden he fucked her.

I would change your statement of "If the 10 hours with her have passed (in extremely rare times 12 hours) and you havent had sex with her its over." to

If in the 10 or 12 hours you haven't at least kissed her or created strong sexual attraction, then it's over.

This can work and has worked for me too from time to time. But the strongest attraction in a woman's mind is the guy she just met that he is a mystery to her. If you havent sparked attraction at the beginning the girl is seeing you more like a convenient option rather than a seducer. These things dont need thought they need acting on emotions. Many women will have sex with a guy that they know for years. But most of these women will dump him later for some mysterious new guy that made a huge impact on her upon meeting him. But thats just me

where is my cookie =)

Valid post. I'd honestly rather read some common information regurgitated from a mod than most newbies whining on this forum. It just reinforces ideas i already know.

So in that regard, thanks for the read ;].

You ll be surprised as to even if its something so obvious how many guys go out for 2-3 months with girls thet havent closed. If you read some of the posts on this forum "I know this girl for some time now, and we ve been hitting it off for 4-5 dates now but i dont know if she is attracted to me... blah blah blah" these only make me want to shoot myself.

So obvious yes. for some...

Great post man, I think this is something we can all relate to, like you, I have no trouble going for the kiss 99% of the time (works about 99% of the time too). I know exactly what my issue is the other 1% of the time when I don't, when I'm really attracted to a girl that I could see myself dating (which is a big deal b/c Im not exactly what you would call the relationship type). I try to slow play it and avoid making mistakes (thinking too much), which is stupid I know, but Im working on it. Problem is, girls like that don't come along that often so I dont have much of a chance to correct it. Like my old football coach always used to say, you gotta play to win, you can't play not to lose.

hey guys ..tell me if i am wrong..but in some context..its not good to close so fast.

like in college..i open a set...i just enter the attraction phase and leave it..i dont even work much on attraction .

so when next time i see her...she herself says hi to me.

a hot girl saying hi to u in front of other people...raises your value.

so in some situations..its better not to close after opening for the first time