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    Too many openers, not enough Transitions / A2 routines!!

    Hey all,

    I am an aspiring PUA. The more I read and the more I understand about this stuff, the less I feel that openers matter. Openers are nice, but are by far the least important part of the pickup. They are good for newbs getting over AA, but I fell im pretty close to over this.

    What I would like, and feel would be much more useful, and hopefully other people can contribute to this is a list of transitions / routines for A2.

    Really, in a club, its very easy to just say Hi, Cheers, Hey, What are you drinking, bla bla bla. Its post opener game that I feel myself and lots of other aspiring PUAs could benifit from.

    So, ill start off with a few that ive thought of, but I dont feel are enough and I would like to internalize 10-30 of these A2 routines.

    *Best Friends Test - Neil Strauss*

    YOU: “OK, I have to ask: how long have you guys known each other for?

    (If you think they’re sisters ask: “Are you guys sisters or best friends?”)

    THEM: “Blah blah blah…”

    YOU: “See, I knew that”

    THEM: “How could you know that?”

    YOU: “I’ll show you. In fact, I’ll give you the best friends test”

    THEM: (Gets all excited)

    YOU: “OK… (pretend you’re just about to ask a serious question)

    “Do you both use the same shampoo?”

    THEM: (Look at each other and then open their mouths to answer)

    YOU: “OK, the answer doesn’t matter- you already passed.”

    THEM: “Huh?!”

    YOU: “See, if you weren’t so close to each other, you’d have kept eye contact with me as you answered. But when two people have a connection, they look at each other first- kind of like you’re doing right now.”

    THEM: (Laugh)

    YOU: “See, you don’t even need to say anything to each other. It’s like you just communicate telepathically.”

    *Powerpuff girl cold read* - not sure who to credit, saw on bristol lair

    You (while they are responding to your opener): Hey, you know who you remind me of?
    HB: who?
    You: A powerpuff girl!
    HB: bla bla
    You: Yeh, you remind me of blossom/bubbles/butter cup - the leader/ditsy/tomboy

    *do you go out much cold read* - again, not sure who to credit read it somewhere
    You - so, do you go out much? you seem like a bit of a party girl, I bet you go to XX

    *where are you from cold read* - again, not sure who to credit read it somewhere
    You - so, where abouts are you from? (before they answer) - I bet your from (some crap/weird area)

    *Interesting item* - again, not sure who to credit read it somewhere
    You - (while she is responding do your opener) Interesting bag/shoes/shirt (with a weird look on face)
    Her - Why?
    You - ohh never mind
    Her - no what?
    You - ohh its just I was out the other nite and saw this fukin weird chick with a similar xx. - roll from there.

    Please critique, these are field tested but i jumble them up so have mostly gotten positive results but sometimes they crash (ie if I pick a really fucked up area they are from or have shit story behind the *interesting item* line.

    And please, any suggestions for good material (besides stories) would be much appreciated.

    Thanks!



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    yea all good man. id stay away from the *where are you from*. thats a good IOI when she asks you first, so once you answer her then u should throw that *i bet your from*

    i think u mite be underestimating the openers. If your using "Hi/ Hey/ What are u drinking?" thats probly y ur having trouble transitioning. attractive women hear this all the time, so make urself stand out. they will remember u for the uniqueness and be more likely to respond to something they havent heard. so grab a few nice openers and test em out to see what works for u, they tend to lead themselves into a smooth transition if she likes it.

    heres something i like (good for this time of year):
    -->Opinion Opener (i like the situational stuff)
    -->Neg for her opinion cuz u disagree / high five her friend if u agreed with her too
    -->"I can totally already tell who is getting coal in their stocking this Christmas. You(friend) are on Santa's nice list, but this one over here (target) is definitely on the naughty list"
    --> if they are into you then i expect their jaws to drop and her friend to say "OMG she is so the naughty one"
    Welcome to the good life.

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    Cheers for the response

    yeh I understand a good opener gives you good material to work from, more opportunities to neg/bust etc but I'm looking for post opener routnes. Like in your example above I can imagine the best friend routine transitioning well from there, but what are some other options?

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    a google of A2

    resulted in:

    Archive for the ‘A2’ Category
    A2 Group Theory
    Posted on June 29th, 2007 in A2 | No Comments »

    Things that will demonstrate higher value:

    * ESP and its possibility or impossibility.

    * How you met a bear while hiking.

    * The time you accompanied your friend to visit his girlfriend and got chased.

    * The time you were in the hospital and it changed the way food tastes.

    * The time you lived w/ 4 girls and when they all had PMS there was a food fight.

    * Whether she believes in ghosts and why or why not

    * You like candles and incense what does she like?

    * Skateboarded down a steep hill and survived.
    A2» food fight» girlfriend» Group Therory» Neg» pms»

    Popularity: 62% [?]
    A2 Negs
    Posted on June 29th, 2007 in Negs, A2 | No Comments »

    During the female to male interest phase, you must allow the girl to see you aren’t needy and you are the catch of the environment.

    Negs to use:

    You: I don’t think we should get to know each other
    Her: Why?
    You: You’re too much of a good girl for me.

    If she buts in
    You: Excuse me! I’m talking to her.. not you.
    You: Your ex-boyfriends must’ve hated this about you.

    Her: You are so young?
    You: Yeah, sucks to be you.
    You: I’ll give you a minute to get over this age thing.

    Her: coming on
    You: My you come on strong, that isn’t till later in the relationship.

    You: Pull my finger
    Her: pulls
    You: Damn I can’t believe you fell for that weirdo.

    You: You can dress her up but you can’t take her anywhere.

    Sniper Neg: Crusty Eye, Nose Hair, Something in ear

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    I dont think you need 20 - 30 attraction pieces. I would also go out and start working on each piece 2 or 3 at a time. Dont wait until you have the perfect pickup scripted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fader View Post
    I dont think you need 20 - 30 attraction pieces. I would also go out and start working on each piece 2 or 3 at a time. Dont wait until you have the perfect pickup scripted.


    what if you run those 2-3 pieces and they dont 'attract' or hook? you just eject if you can just tell she is not interested in you or do you plow through?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rack View Post
    Hey all,

    You (while they are responding to your opener): Hey, you know who you remind me of?
    HB: who?
    You: A powerpuff girl!
    HB: bla bla
    You: Yeh, you remind me of blossom/bubbles/butter cup - the leader/ditsy/tomboy

    *do you go out much cold read* - again, not sure who to credit read it somewhere
    You - so, do you go out much? you seem like a bit of a party girl, I bet you go to XX


    *Interesting item* - again, not sure who to credit read it somewhere
    You - (while she is responding do your opener) Interesting bag/shoes/shirt (with a weird look on face)
    Her - Why?
    You - ohh never mind
    Her - no what?
    You - ohh its just I was out the other nite and saw this fukin weird chick with a similar xx. - roll from there.
    Good thread man.. I like the "Interesting item" the best... I hope more people add to this... I too have problems with A2 sometimes because I don't want to do magic tricks and do canned stuff from VH1 (feels like everyone knows it)..

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    Quote Originally Posted by STiger View Post
    what if you run those 2-3 pieces and they dont 'attract' or hook? you just eject if you can just tell she is not interested in you or do you plow through?
    I always plow but if if you have lets say 5 (25% of the original 20 - 30 pieces) and you cant get attaction, and the material is good. It's not the material it is you (fashion. body language, sub communications, delivery, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fader View Post
    I always plow but if if you have lets say 5 (25% of the original 20 - 30 pieces) and you cant get attaction, and the material is good. It's not the material it is you (fashion. body language, sub communications, delivery, etc).
    Agreed, sometimes I can get attraction without even doing anything except a crappy opener like "Hi" or "You look like your up to no good" caus of body language, social proof etc... which is fine. Reason I want more routines is for when it doesnt happen. Give me more tools in my arsenal. And really, attraction lines can be used anytime in an interaction all the way up to and even past seduction. obviously calibrated, so you use them alot less later in the process, but they are always good to have.

    Another attraction tool I have come across many times is the indirect answer:

    *Indirect Responses* - lots of people talk about this but DD famiously quotes "never give a woman a direct answer unless its no"

    HB: So, what do you do?
    You: (stolen from lots of places)
    -cigarette lighter repairman
    -A lightbulb installer
    -A pencil sharpener inspector
    -a wig model
    -I sell Pez online (pause-and-grin)
    -im actually the national hooler hoop champion
    -the guy who packs the parachutes.... i had a 75% success rate.
    -To Blondes: I'm a Dumb Blonde IQ Enhancer. I make blondes smart.
    -To Brunettes: I die women's hair blonde. I make brunettes sexy.
    -"I'm in the stolen goods industry."
    -"I'm a drug dealer. I sell aphrodisiacs. Don't tell anyone."
    -"I'm a male model for my own clothing company."
    -"I'm a male escort, but generally I don't charge."
    -"I only tell people I trust... can I trust you?"

    - Im a manager for a multinational corporation
    - HB: Oh really? which one?
    - HB: You know the McDonalds on XX street... yup thats me. I make a killer big mac sauce (smile)

    How old are you?
    - 99
    - 12
    - Purple
    - and as per SFBlackRob post above

    What are you doing here? What are your plans for the nite?
    - The club asked me to come to fill its quota of good looking guys
    - I like this place because it has lots of girls with good personalities
    -
    *im sure there are lots of good ones for this question I just cant think of any rite now*

    Where are you from?
    - what like what planet?

    - here... (ideal if your from another cotuntry/city)
    --HB: no you're not! you have an accent!
    --You: so? (end goal is to say your human and shes stupid)

    - why does it matter?
    - HB: just interested..
    - You: no your not, your going to judge me on my response. Geeze, get off your high horse already (smile) Where do you think im from?

    - the kitchen sink
    - the north pole
    - Atlantis


    -- to counter David D's quote however --

    Answering any of the above questions, and any other open ended question that isnt a request from the HB (ie, can you get me a drink) with:

    - Yes
    - No

    eg.

    HB: Where are you from?
    You: Yes
    HB: Huh, I asked where you are from?
    You: Yes

    etc...

    feel free to criticize, ive FT most of them, not all of the Jobs tho :P

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