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I was on Keys to the VIP (pickup show) last night
Thats right Cajun (me) was on Keys to the VIP last night.
I didn't think it would be airing until the 31st but it was randomly on last night at 2:30am. Me and Tenmagnet were coming back from the bar after the in field portion of the seminar and it just came on.
Anyways, I know theres a thread about the show already but I wanted to know if anyone saw it and if it's anywhere online yet. My friend recorded it so I'll get a link in the next few days but maybe someone else already uploaded it somewhere?
And for those of you that haven't seen it, Its basically me against another guy doing challenges to show how much "game" we have, and then being judged by a panel of "experts".
Edit: The video is here:
You see pretty much the entire interaction on the show. The girl was a 10 and WAY taller than me (I'm only 5'8). I went in knowing I had to close in less than 3 mins (They don't want you in set longer than that). Normally I don't have to work under these guidelines so this first set was basically a chance for me to test the water and figure out what the best structure would be. I decided to improvise and ended up simply compressing my regular structure and throwing in an extra DHV to make up for the lack of a qualifier (which I thought would take too long).
Result: I was a bit too overqualified, and the girl thought I was too good to be true, and simply acting polite in asking for her number. Contrary to what Chris says, there was attraction, in fact when they went to get her release afterwards, she was very upset because she really liked me. She was the only one who refused the signature (thus having to blur her face).
You see the entire interaction minus a key moment. Before I go for her number she jokes about how I could help her reach "The big time" in regards to her acting career. Thats why I say "Big time" after I ask for her number, it's an inside joke, not a mistake. I also learned from the first set not to overqualify myself so I played the natural on this second set: complimenting her a little everytime I DHV'd myself to let her know I was genuine.
Subtext was also a huge factor for this set. I encourage everyone to dig up my article on subtext (or just go to my blog cajunsspice.blogspot.com). The "rock solid confidence" the judges were referring to was entirely based on my subtext. Listen to how I open her, the way I speak, I don't want anything from her. The fact that this was a moving set, which are usually suicide, makes my point all the more clear, subtext=Huge. Peaches was also spot on about negs, they're not necessary when you have body language and subtext down.
Result: Perfection, she texted me later on in the night but I was already on my way back to Toronto so I couldnt meet up with her. Too bad, she was HOT.
This was the most difficult. I purposely asked for the hardest games they had and made sure to open the hottest girls that were in the club because I wanted to prove that what we teach works.
I figured that the more the girls hated me the more impressive it would be when I turned it around so I opened with "You guys look like a bunch of retards, are you cool though?" The reaction was exactly what I expected, they got pissed and asked me to leave. I acted unfazed and kept talking, again using my subtext, to convince them that I actually WAS cool. Chris was spot on about me interrupting and ignoring the target, she wasnt the hottest one of the group but she gave me the most guff, so I figured it would look more impressive to turn her around. I kino'd her friends just enough to build rapport and a bit of a jealousy plot (see the upcoming interview series where Tenmagnet, Braddock and I talk about jealousy plots) Her hot friends actually got upset at the end when I ignored them for her, attempting to sabotage me by saying "Thats weird" and actively trying to pull her away hahaha.
Result: I used textbook on this one as opposed to my more natural method in the second set. I figured it would look the best given that I open with a huge handicap (ie a terrible neg). She went from hating me to kissing me in less than 3 mins, so that says a lot about how effective textbook can be when used properly.
Keep in mind that my "game" isn't really like what was shown on the show. In reality im much more natural and I use almost no routines. Now thats not to say that routines are bad, they're not, they're extremely helpful. But after you use routines long enough you start to realize that you don't need them.
EDIT: Oh and by "textbook" I of course mean Magic Bullets hehe.
Post whatever you find
I love Keys to the VIP. Some entertaining stuff there.
yea i saw it. good stuff man haha
"you're my new little sister" <--im using that.
OH, and how u recovered from the open with an insult was fucking awesome. the girl
went from trying to block you out to jumping and hugging you.
Last edited by Jun1or; 01-20-2008 at 06:48 PM.
This guy is a legend!!! That Felicia girls is HOT!
I haven't seen it, but what is your opinion of the overall experience and the time they gave you? And were you running game at that club when the cameras weren't rolling?
Originally Posted by Cajun
Originally Posted by sdnightfly
I actually did quite a few sets at that place actually. When I first got there I wasn't even supposed to be on the show, I just went to support my cousin (Mitch). The guy Mitch was up against was really weird on camera so they asked me if I would fill in, I did.
I thought they always had the camera on me at first so I would randomly go out and open sets thinking they were filming. I did a lot of funny stuff they only got the audio for haha.
I think I come across a little cold, and manipulative because they didnt show many shots of me doing funny stuff, oh well.
What channel is this show on? I watched all the youtube videos and they were great, I wasn't aware this was a show that was still on the air though.
Cajun on Keys - www.lovesystems.com/keys-to-the-vip
Youtube only has up to episode 9 (of season 2) and i think yours is episode 11. so it might be awhile =(
:O definitely waiting for the link Cajun , You were a superstar definitely.
Someone please post the video!!!!!!!!!