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    Hard hit by a HB9

    So anyways was out sarging with a wing for the 2nd time and making great leaps in my game, and then something went wrong. A HB9 something.
    Here's some background.
    We'd just left our first club and gone to check out another one nearby, we get in and it was a total sausage fest, except for 1 raised block that 3 HB9’s were dancing on. They were obviously in their element and on a chick high (chick crack). The reason being that the 30odd guys in the room were all just staring at them. One AFC actually tried to get up on the podium with the HB's, and they just pushed him off. After taking this into account he got back up again and when they tried to push him off he just fought it and then they took off. Fair enough.
    Anyway, one of the HB9’s ends up over at the bar, orders a drink then just stands there next to me for like 5 minutes while I'm talking to my wing and one of his mates. So I finally get up my nerve and say to her “hey can I get you’re opinion on something?” She half looks over and just says “no” not in a harsh way... but kinda like she's in a rush or she has somewhere to be.

    That pretty much blew me up. I just turned away and talked to wing again, she stayed there another minute then left.

    So does anyone have any suggestions on what I should have done there? Maybe opened straight off with a neg or something?

    Cheers in advance.
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    She caught you on your approval seeking... it sounds harder then it really is, i'll explain it to ya:

    If you walk up and ask like you did: "can I get your opinion on something"... first rule in salesmanship is: never ask a yes-no question.
    a good rule in pickup is: don't wait for a reply, or at least don't expect one

    consider the following:

    Things get completely different when you walk up and say: "Hey, I can't stay long, I got my friend over here. We need a female opinion so we can settle this debate we're having once and for all...", then just start shooting your opener. Smile and keep eye contact.
    She can't say "no" anymore... if she says: "why are you talking to me?!", you just reply, "cause the girl that I really wanted to talk to just left"
    if she says: "fuck off", just reply: "Wow, thats really rude. *backturn*" or "Carefull to who you say that missy, If you would have said this to me when I was 16, i'd been crying from fear *backturn*" or "you don't get out much, huh *backturn*"

    In other words if you use a timeconstraint, and you come in neutral: you need *a* woman's oppinion, and if she's being mean, you call her on it and turn away and let her know you'll find a social girl that's fun enough to give you her oppinion... suddenly, it all boils down to her.
    Often they'll come back later to appologize or you'll have at least her attention... next time you walk past her, make a cross with your indexfingers of bolth hands, like you're trying to keep the devil away and walk in a big circle around her... just stay playfull and fun...

    Just try to keep in mind to stay away from telegraphing: "I need your oppinion" asking if that's allowed won't do you any good either... in other words: lay of the yes-no opening questions.

    kick-ass you're getting out there man... respect. A few more events like this and no woman will knock you off your composure ever again. Keep it up!

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    Basically what durexlw said. It obviously would sound like a canned line to her, as it didn't really sound 'random'. You also should instead using your line "Can I ask you something" but continue on with the question, instead of giving her a choice to say no.

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    That's sweet as advice Durexlw. Exactly what I was looking for.
    I will definitely adjust my opens and go for the sales approach.

    Thanks also Sheezy. Are you saying that I should try a completely different opener?

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    If a HB is rude just say: "U know how to charm a guy " with a smile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toastysteve View Post
    So anyways was out sarging with a wing for the 2nd time and making great leaps in my game, and then something went wrong. A HB9 something.
    Here's some background.
    We'd just left our first club and gone to check out another one nearby, we get in and it was a total sausage fest, except for 1 raised block that 3 HB9’s were dancing on. They were obviously in their element and on a chick high (chick crack). The reason being that the 30odd guys in the room were all just staring at them. One AFC actually tried to get up on the podium with the HB's, and they just pushed him off. After taking this into account he got back up again and when they tried to push him off he just fought it and then they took off. Fair enough.
    Anyway, one of the HB9’s ends up over at the bar, orders a drink then just stands there next to me for like 5 minutes while I'm talking to my wing and one of his mates. So I finally get up my nerve and say to her “hey can I get you’re opinion on something?” She half looks over and just says “no” not in a harsh way... but kinda like she's in a rush or she has somewhere to be.

    That pretty much blew me up. I just turned away and talked to wing again, she stayed there another minute then left.

    So does anyone have any suggestions on what I should have done there? Maybe opened straight off with a neg or something?

    Cheers in advance.
    Dude it's an HB 9 geeze.

    Anyway the wording is "Hey can I get a female oppinion on something", the female part is critical as it rootes the opener.

    Sometimes you can use, "Hey... give me a female oppinion on something, me and my friend over there are going to X in a sec so I can't talk for long."

    Either way you need to roll in your time constraint pretty quickly after that.

    --

    I think your issue fell in 3 areas.

    Lack of Root wording.

    Lack of energy level matching.

    Lack of Body Language.

    Lack of the 3 second rule. (spontinaity vs creepyness).

    -

    2 and 3 are maybe's and 1 and 4 are definite issues.

    Don't open with a neg, it's incorrect game and messes you up. Some PUA's say you can open with a tease neg if you frame it right, (and only a tease neg), but I say this messes up your neg preformance.

    If you can sucessfully open with a shotgun or a sniper neg, as often if not more so than an oppinion opener, assuming nothing freaky is going on, then you are preforming your negs wrong.

    Negs are hardcore IOD's that are equaly disguised in a hard core way. You just can't open with them, I would say they should decrease your chances at least 1/6th and some people don't explicitly care about BL and will take them for what they are... soo even if you are willing to preform negs in two completly different ways which will confuse you, not everyone will even care about your preformance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durexlw View Post
    She caught you on your approval seeking... it sounds harder then it really is, i'll explain it to ya:

    If you walk up and ask like you did: "can I get your opinion on something"... first rule in salesmanship is: never ask a yes-no question.
    a good rule in pickup is: don't wait for a reply, or at least don't expect one
    Or don't care about one, I usually wait for a reply to confirm I don't have to repeat myself, oh well.
    consider the following:

    Things get completely different when you walk up and say: "Hey, I can't stay long, I got my friend over here. We need a female opinion so we can settle this debate we're having once and for all...", then just start shooting your opener. Smile and keep eye contact.
    She can't say "no" anymore... if she says: "why are you talking to me?!", you just reply, "cause the girl that I really wanted to talk to just left"
    if she says: "fuck off", just reply: "Wow, thats really rude. *backturn*" or "Carefull to who you say that missy, If you would have said this to me when I was 16, i'd been crying from fear *backturn*" or "you don't get out much, huh *backturn*"
    You shouldn't have a time contraint before the opener, I wouldn't say it has a big impact, but you shouldn't. Either way do you actually preform those below in field? I mean they are good, but make sure to preform them durelxw, don't just stand there like most guys would.
    In other words if you use a timeconstraint, and you come in neutral: you need *a* woman's oppinion, and if she's being mean, you call her on it and turn away and let her know you'll find a social girl that's fun enough to give you her oppinion... suddenly, it all boils down to her.
    Often they'll come back later to appologize or you'll have at least her attention... next time you walk past her, make a cross with your indexfingers of bolth hands, like you're trying to keep the devil away and walk in a big circle around her... just stay playfull and fun...
    I'd reframe that to if she walks past you, the former seems a little too needy. Don't bother having her dictate your movment paterns either. Anyway besides that this is a good idea.
    Just try to keep in mind to stay away from telegraphing: "I need your oppinion" asking if that's allowed won't do you any good either... in other words: lay off the yes-no opening questions.

    kick-ass you're getting out there man... respect. A few more events like this and no woman will knock you off your composure ever again. Keep it up!

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    Don't open with a neg, it's incorrect game and messes you up. Some PUA's say you can open with a tease neg if you frame it right, (and only a tease neg), but I say this messes up your neg preformance.
    I am not saying that you are wrong...I respect everyone because everyone has their own pick up preferences but according to Style he suggests opening up 9s+ who are high on themselves with a Neg. Well specifically he says it is a "Must". Instead of discounting a neg opener...you might want to try it out on hb9+ just for shits and giggles and see what happens. Here is the link to Styles thread...

    http://www.theattractionforums.com/f...ead.php?t=1764
    Last edited by Wild; 03-30-2007 at 04:40 PM. Reason: More details

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    I agree with Wild... I saw something on the forums about telling a girl she looks just like a hamster... try that... I usually use jealously or major social proof to pull hb9's...

    lata

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    it isnt "hey CAN I GET a female opinion on something? then bla bla bla dont give them a chance to say no.



    it's "hey guys, i need a female opinion on something"

    then you root and use an FTC, which i am not going to talk about right here.


    the point is that you never say "can i", cause you dont need to, it dlv's you, puts all the power in there hands, assumes a role of supplication etc.etc.


    "hey guys" use this to show them you see them as just normal people. you dont want to seem as if this is a pickup line, which it will sound like if you dont say hey guys first.


    "i need a female opinion on something" they will ask "what" if your energy is good. then you use an ftc and root.


    this is the classic and imho best way to run ANY opinion opener.


    -dime

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