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I was reading The Game and I read about another pickup artist Ross ...
I was reading The Game and I read about another pickup artist Ross Jeffries and how his method is completely different from the Mystery Method. His method works just as well as Mystery Method.
anyone have any comment on this?
please do a search on the forum.
there is plenty of information about comparisons between speed seduction (ross jeffries material) and MM.
Ross Jeffries (not his real name).
Originally Posted by bruise
Is a keyboard jockey who spends most of his time doing the PUA equivilent of trying to prove the world is Flat (still).
Many people myself included feel his theories have less than 20% to do with his sucess, and that much of it is subconcious, akin to the method in which many average guys all get laid. (with their subconcious quirks, not their cars or clothes or any BS like that.)
Anyawy back in the day when PUA was being invented there were sort of two compeeting strategies, very much like when cars were first being invented there were two compeeting propulsion mode.
As with cars nobody knew realy which one was best. The Gasoline Powered Car, or the Electric Motor Car. (both capable at the time of a whopping 4 miles per hour!!!) Anyway today with the same weight a gasoline powered car can go about 260 miles per hour, as an electric car that can go about 70 miles per hour.
This is using our current methods.
I personally feel PUA is dying out due to the corruption of good information, and will at least lean towards the horid mom and pop buy her flowers BS, at least though stay away because that was the worst of information but in short, Gas an Electric Started off on the same foot.
Gas, is Mystery Method, it is "Being Cool".
Electric is Ross Jeffries Method, it is "Hypnotyze people".
Now as time advanced gas overtook electric, obviously, it's what you drive now, and it is similar to what is happening now.
Ross Jeffries himself, many people feel him and his students, that a large part of his game is subconcious.
Bash him all you want, but RJ has given me and countless others some pretty good tools. Anybody who knows how SS works knows that it is NOT mutually exclusive with MM, and is in fact a great thing to do in isolation.
Is it perhaps possible that you may not like RJ but that there is in fact value in his system? *gasp*
Ross jeffries is no doubt a genious.
He will more than likley be seen as someone whom has contributed alot to PU over the years to come.
I think you should read about him, discover what it is he teaches in his dojo and choose. What i will say about ross jeffires is, there is a very fucking dark side to what he teaches. The OM sequence was played down for what it was. 'The claw' 'the door' 'smurfing'...the 'suicide pattern'. These are all just an indication of what his guy has flying around his head.
He is, by no doubt, tallented with what he does.
I'v experemented with some of it, some of it was just to fucked up to leave my lips. But, what did deter me from most of RJ's stuff, is it dosnt fit in with who i am.
I'll say, what we do here is more 'socially acceptable'. Where as some of what RJ puts about is not, to say the leaste. If half of his more 'fucked up' patterns work, girls are in alot of trouble. Allow me to give you a slice, of his suicide pattern...
(Very Dangerous – DO NOT USE)
The Suicide Pattern – as used on a cheating spouse/lover
I don't know what's been going on inside your head lately, (Name). Perhaps you need to do some introspection. Perhaps you need to look deep down inside yourself...explore the very essence of who you are...and I don't know if you'll notice...just how empty you are, deep inside yourself...so alone, so lonely. And when you explore that place, you only find memories of your failures, frustrations and missed dreams. . . To the point where you ask yourself...this is it? This is what I've been living for? What an empty life! These things you do to me...your life in general...only amuse you, but they miserably fail to address that deep longing inside you...that deep, painful emptiness. That's why you need to find someone to hurt. To go against.
Yeah (Name). Take your own life...and examine it. You might find yourself saying....This is it? This is all I have lived for? And you walk through life light...because you are walking empty. And likewise, realize just how empty and meaningless your actions have been... Now, I think you should go deep inside yourself and examine your own motives and realize that you are hurting yourself more than you are hurting me. It's sad to see that you enjoy hurting yourself in such manner since you obviously got a thrill by cheating on me, but in reality, cheating yourself...out of a life....filled with joy and happiness.
Feeling like hurting yourself?
Not an un-common feeling to have after reading the above.
I hold no responsibility for what you do with above information.
Choose your dojo wisely, if i could shed any adivise on the subject in a sentence, that would be it.
'When in doubt, fuck.' - Al Pachino
Libertarian, first, RJ did NOT write those 'dark side' patterns that are floating around. He is well aware, as was said by Major Mark in some of the videos, that if you create a nightmare for someone, you are basically creating a nightmare for yourself (too long and off topic to explain here).
Second, what's the point of giving away a 'freebie' suicide pattern on a seduction board?
And no, I don't feel like hurting myself. NLP works within a certain context and framework, it's not a magic spell that gets people to obbey your every command.
Ignorance at its best.
Originally Posted by Legion5
The MysteryMethod works because of the inherent psychology behind it. His 'theories' are the reasons why the M3 model works. A neg may as well be a break state, a well-delivered story may be an induction, & so on. These are all NLP tools Ross Jeffries uses in his routines. For example, the reason why women are drawn into your stories more after you neg is because of fractionation. When you tell a story, you are bringing her into a trance. A neg breaks state, & pulls her out. The second time you bring someone into a trance in such a short time, they go down much deeper, & hence they are more attentive.
If you don't believe me, mid-way through your story, say "Do you guys smell popcorn? Anyways, <continue story>," or "What's that sound? The high pitched whine, do you guys hear that? Anyways, <continue story>." You'll see they are drawn in more after you ask that.
Who are the 'many people' you associate with yourself in believing that RJ's methods have almost nothing to do with his success? I, for one, have never heard anything of the sort. I have heard that NLP isn't useful because of it's difficulty & whatnot, but I have yet to hear that Ross Jeffries isn't successful as a result of it, & is a "keyboard jockey."
I'd stay away from RJs stuff and SS in general until you get really good at MM. It will take you several months of running SS before you get good enough at it that it will be useful to you in a major way. Also, don't just learn SS, learn NLP. Learn all about NLP if that's somewhere that you want to go.
Using SS and NLP in sets has been frowned upon by many different communities because of how manipulative people think it is. I don't think it's any more manipulative than anything else but that's just my opinion. Most of the guys that I know who do SS are some of the weirdest guys I've ever meet in my life. And that's one of the reasons why I'd say to stay away from SS until you've developed your MM abilities to the point where you're solidly getting lays and you know what you're doing.
SS as a method doesn't work very well. The openers are crap and you inevitably come off as being weird and can only talk to one sets as long as you don't have any interferences while keeping her in trance. There is a lot of value in SS but not as a method in itself. Learn the MM and if you decide to later, take a few months off and learn NLP.
I dare do all that may become a man; Who dares do more is none.
SS is a rather misunderstood branch of the community.
a lot of people don't like it - because it FEELS LIKE MANIPULATION. this'll limit there success with it, because it hurts the frame that they need to be coming from when they're interacting.
whether SS is for you or not - you have to examine and decide for yourself. but don't try it out half assedly while thinking "this is creepy" - even if it works, you'll feel bad about it.
i haven't done a lot of SS myself. from what i hear, the SS guru's routinely sleep with girls 2 to 3 hours after meeting, without flaking later.
NLP is powerful stuff, so i don't doubt it. it can be a hell of a comfort accelerator.
SS openers aren't for clubs and mostly not even for groups - pattern type languaging can easily be incorporated into anyones comfort game, and make it better.
Do a search on the forum for NLP and you'll find some threads on the matter.