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I have run into a tricky situation a couple of ...
Unintentionally Stealing My Wing's Targets
I have run into a tricky situation a couple of times. My wings have asked me to wing them in various sets and when I do so, their target begins to game me.
Example 1- Brunette and Blonde Two Set:
On one occasion, my wing 'V' opened a brunette 8 and a blonde 7. His target was the 8, as he was talking to her, and vice versa. He then introduced me to both girls and I began gaming the blonde '7'. However, shortly thereafter, the brunette begins glancing over at me every few seconds. This is both distracting and curious to me. I simply say to her: "hey, why do you keep looking over at me like that?" The brunette then begins talking to me and smiling. Now, the brunette and I are gaming each other.
At this point, my wing puts his two hands up in resignation, sits down on his stool and folds his arms. He essentially leaves the set. My wing talks to me later and says I gamed his target. He is not mad, but is asking me to be careful next time.
Example 2- Brunette 7.5/Blonde 6
Wing 'B' is gaming a very cute 7.5 at a honky tonk bar. He's been talking to her for quite a while, at least ten minutes. While I am standing around unoccupied, he leans over and whispers: "occupy the obstacle." I take a look over at the blonde and start gaming her right away.
I can't remember what I said, but she starts laughing out loud and tosses her head back, mouth open. I guess I'm doing ok, since the blonde likes me. I just fluff the blonde for as long as I can. After a few minutes, the brunette target begins to engage me in conversation. I completely ignore her. She tries three times to talk to me, but each time I won't so much as look in her direction. I keep in mind the last time I talked to a target, the target lost interest in my wing. I don't want to get lectured again, lol. Eventually B number closes his target.
What am I doing wrong? How do I wing more effectively? What if I talked to the target but only in order to "sell" my friend to his target?
Haha are you a model or something?
I'd have to question:
- Your wing's intro of you to the set and,
- Are you "out-DHVing" your wing, ergo, making his target attracted to you, as a leader of men?
As a footnote, your wing shouldn't lean over and ask you to occupy the obstacle. This seems to make him look like he's needing your assistance. Also, re-read the Wing Accomplishment Intro in the VAH. There are about 3 types of intro from memory.
Yes, in the first set I was introduced. My wing 'V' had been chatting briefly with both girls, then introduced me: "this is my friend Adamm." It seems like this is acceptable, if not ideal. In the second set, 'W' had been told by 'K', another wing, to tell me to occupy the obstacle. So he whispered "occupy the obstacle" in my ear. No introduction, I just went to work.
As far as DHV-ing, in the first set, I just started talking to the blonde but the brunette just began checking me out, pretty much right away (within a minute?). In the second set, the target began trying to talk to me quite a bit later into the set, maybe five minutes in. I did make her friend laugh out loud, but basically I was just fluffing with the target's girlfriend.
Originally Posted by fast eddy
In the 1st set, were you with your wing at the opener or did you rock on up later? (Note: If the former, it might look a bit predatory). I get the impression you may be just out-attracting him either through what you are verbally coveying or your looks.
Why couldn't 'W' occupy the other girl?
In the first set, I was standing in my wing's vicinity, but didn't know he had opened the set until he called me in. So, no, I wasn't with him when he opened. I just noticed him talking with the two girls out of the corner of my eye at first. I didn't come in until I was called in by my wing.
In the second set, again, I was standing in my wing's vicinity, but didn't speak to or look at anyone in the set until I was asked. I think the other wing had already occuped the obstacle for a while, but he's transitioning to a more natural game, so he often leaves when he feels he's run out of things to say. So I was asked to come in when he left.
Originally Posted by fast eddy
It seems to me like you showed a higher DHV to the sets, than your wing.
When your wing introduced you to the set, you should have gone on to his target, then you should have included some DHV stories about your wing, (canned wing stories are vital)
Whilst you are doing this, your wing should be spitting some shit with the obstacle and telling DHV stories about you, then after a few minutes, you can switch and the target would have been filled to the brim (by you) and informed how great your wing is, then he can move in to the end of A2 / beginning of A3. Whilst you go back to talk to the obstacle, that way they both think your kick ass guys and you both have extremely high valve..
I would type more but ive just been busted at work lol