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    The first 3 to 5 minutes - Getting Attraction

    After opening and conquering your approach anxiety, the next and probably the most important step in game is building attraction. The bulk of this done in the first 3 to 5 minutes and what follows is a blueprint for doing this. So read it, re-read it, take notes but above all go out and practice it.

    To best develop an understanding of how an interaction should go in those first vital minutes you need to know what attraction material is and why certain things create the kind of chemistry within others such that they are drawn to you.

    What is attraction material
    Attraction material is primarily banter and teasing, so most of it doesn't and shouldn't mean anything, so asking what they do or where they are from doesn't fall into this category.
    Think of it as conversation the content of which has little meaning other than to create amusement for you, in others words random nonsense coupled with statements.
    There is a caveat, it should have a hint of sexuality otherwise you become the dancing monkey.. With the added sexual element it becomes flirting. I'll talk a little more about sexuality later.

    Most of what we as instructors use and what later become routines for people learning are created out of thin air, or out of the flimsiest of logical connections. A girl wearing high heels and lipstick - clearly high maintenance so let’s tease her about that and everything that people associate with high maintenance girls.

    Also, remember attraction material is more than just banter and teasing, cold reads and disqualifiers are also a part of it too (more on this below).


    What makes attraction material attractive
    When you are comfortable enough around beautiful women to banter, tease, and throw out statements (cold reads), you're sub communicating a number of things:
    Whilst you may want her, you certainly don't need her. Neediness in any form is kryptonite and when you're being try hard with a girl, asking her questions and hanging off her answers, (Wow, you come from London, that is sooo cool!!), or even just trying to build rapport suggests way too much interest for someone you know nothing about. Attraction material allows you the pretence of not being that bothered about her.
    You're confident. If you're confident around her than you must be used to talking to girls, therefore you have a lot of beautiful women in your life. We call this being pre-selected and it tells her you're safe to be around, you're not likely to be needy, you'll be fun to be with, and you're a high value male. In other words you're the kind of guy girls want to get with.
    You have real (inner) strength. In talking in a way that serves as self amusement (bantering and having fun), you convey that you don't need the validation or approval of others to feel good about yourself. You're content being you and you're not trying hard to please others for the purpose of having them like you. Having that kind of inner strength, knowing who you are and not allowing others to put you in a box and say "no, this is who you are" with their opinions of you, that is the foundation of attraction and it's what makes you great.
    If you have that true inner strength, you know who you are, you know what you want, you have a healthy sense of entitlement, and you're unaffected by the opinions of those around you (you don't need their approval to feel good about yourself is a part of this) then you are probably very successful in other areas of life. You're likely to be very well socially adjusted, popular, charismatic, a leader of others, stands for what he believes in, someone who takes risks and reaps the rewards, who has a story to tell, and blazes his own trail.
    The list goes on, the point being all of those qualities are what women are attracted to. Being able to convey those, well the outcome goes without saying.
    You're not afraid to be silly. This ties into the above in that it shows that you don't take life too seriously, you're not wound tight so you most likely find that success comes easy, and the trials and tribulations that make life worth living don't faze you. You handle those with ease. It also suggests that if she were to be around you, she would have a great time.

    Being able to tease and banter and having the confidence to make statements is therefore a cornerstone of the attraction building process but it isn't the whole.


    The difference between comedy and flirting
    Something I touched on earlier and one of the problems many guys have is that they can be fun, drop in some hilarious banter, make the girl laugh and spike that one emotion but if that's all they're doing, then that line that represents her emotions which were once being spiked is now a flat line, just higher up the chart than it was before.
    A few points to remember:

    1. Attraction material is the pepper, not the steak
      The blueprint of a great attraction conversation is not: routine, tease, routine, cold read, routine, tease, continued ad noseum...
      GIRL: "So what do you do for a living"
      GUY: "I work at MacDonald’s, we're actually out celebrating tonight. I got my 2nd star today so I can now operate the dial on the fryer. High Five?!?"
      GIRL: "hahaha"
      GUY: "Yeah I've been working on it for two years, seven months and four days. Finally figured out you turn it to the left, it's been my sticking point"
      GIRL: "hahaha. So what do you really do?"
      GUY: "I'm an ass model, wanna see? You can look but don't touch. Well okay you can touch but it'll cost you"
      GIRL: "err, no it's okay. What do you really do?"
      GUY: "Do you remember that documentary, Charlie and the chocolate factory?"
      GIRL: "what?"
      GUY: "Well Willy Wonka died so I bought the factory. I'm actually out tonight with the Umpa Lumpa's....."
      GIRL {back turns with look that suggests "weirdo"}

      It's fun, fun, normal, fun, sexual, fun, normal, normal, fun, sexual, fun, normal, normal, sexual, fun, normal and so on.


    2. Be sexual:
      Nice guys are just... nice. Sleazy guys are uggh. What do they have in common? They both feel ashamed of or as though it's wrong to demonstrate their sexuality and desires. The nice guy pretends it's not there, the sleazy guys act on it anyway but in a way that attempts to hide their embarrassment or in a way that allows them plausible deniability when called out on it (picture the sleaze whistling or grabbing ass in a way that if (when!) he gets blown out he still gets to high five his mates), or both.
      Conveying strong masculinity and ownership of your sexuality are essential. And being more emotive too. Being around you should have that little hint of risk and intrigue. You should spike the conversation with sexual innuendo, but it's much more than that. It's proximity, body language that dominates the space, Kino that shows you're comfortable taking the lead and with your own sexuality, its being calm and collected in a charged moment tingling with tension and occassionally spiking the interaction with some very dominant kino.

    3. You don't know her yet:
      And as such you're not THAT interested in her. unless she just blew you away with some serious eye fucking from across the room, in which case create a bubble around the two of you, own the space and her and assume familiarity and that the sex (which will be mind blowing) is so obviously going to happen it doesn't need mentioning.
      For every other occasion be the high value guy who has a bunch of attractive options. In other words, her looks got her a foot in the door but what else has she got because that's not enough.
      So spike her emotions positively and negatively. The negative is not calling her a bitch, its showing interest, than taking it away to create a sense of loss. It's having a healthy amount of disinterest, or rather not always allowing her to hold your entire attention. Which of the two depends on how much you want to spike and how far along in the interaction you are in terms of her investment.
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    So how to apply it.


    1. Conversationally:
    First and foremost, getting out of your head and into a state where conversation and banter just flow from within and you find yourself laughing at your own shit is tough, I get that. It can be really tough getting out of one frame of mind and into another, especially if you work in a stuffy environment and with the contrast that brings. The easiest way I've found to do it, and one I get students on bootcamps to do when they're having a tough time is to pretend you own the venue and act accordingly. This allows you to get comfortable in your surroundings.
    So walk around short setting, open, bounce, open, bounce.
    "Hey guys how you doing? You guys having fun? I like your dress, I was going to wear the same exact outfit, that would have been awkward.. for you, it would have looked better on me..... You guys seem cool, I'll come and find you in a bit"
    Or it can be as simple as walking through a really crowded venue clinking glasses with everyone and saying hi. Just get the conversational juices flowing and start having fun interacting with people. Look to increase the length and playfulness of the interactions as you go along. It's very easy to then go back and re-open girls or to find yourself in set without planning it.

    Now to the more specific technical aspects:
    Transitions
    another area a lot of guys seem to struggle with. This can seem tricky but it's something you all already do with everyone else in your life and in almost every normal conversation you have without realising it.
    Conversations don't have to follow a logical path, they often go off on tangents or jump to new topics that have nothing to do with anything you were previously talking about so don't worry too much about finding ways to link conversations together. Learn a few transitions from here or the routines manual and use them. Once you find yourself getting more into the conversation you'll stop needing them. Just throw stuff out there that has nothing to do with what either of you are talking about and watch how quickly the randomness is forgotten.


    Teasing
    this is one of those things that a lot of guys struggle with and often think that they just can't do it. The best way to learn if you don't already know is to write out sentences girls might say and find the words in it that you can ping off. Braddock and Mr M call this Trigger words. Find ways to tease effectively off them and spend some time every week just practicing doing it. Do it on your phone when you're sat with nothing else to do. When you're infield try to find not only her words but situational cues or observations you can tease and banter off. What she's wearing, her drink etc...
    A couple of stock situational transitions and conversation pieces:
    • "Are you my date for the night? I was told to meet her at the bar. My mum arranged it for me but she didn't say what you'd be wearing"
    • "oh wow! You know what.. I was going to wear that same outfit tonight. I think I looked better in it"



    Routines and cold reads
    Through my own learning process I would often encounter uncomfortable silences usually followed by awkward AFC conversations that weren't congruent with the guy I was trying to project. It was ugly but that's not to say it was always unsuccessful. Some of my SNL's have been dog fights. That aside, to get around this I would memorise a couple of transitions and routines before going out. I would practice them in my head over and over again and then fall back on them when I was out.
    The great thing about cold reads and routines is that they allow you to fill the awkward silence with the kind of things you're maybe used to doing but in a way that generates intrigue based attraction. So saying "you look like a stripper or an accountant, I can't tell which" is akin to saying "So what do you do for a living?". Practice reframing questions as statements and use the forums and routines manuals to find some great examples of both cold reads and routines.
    Always start a routine with a lead in that creates interest and builds suspense. A few examples would:
    • "Oh my god I just noticed something... you guys are pretty good friends, aren't you?" [Go into the Best Friends Test routine]
    • "You have a really expressive face... I bet you're a really bad liar" [lead into lying game]
    • "Oh wow, I just noticed... the way you stand when you talk to me... [pause] gives me the feeling that you’re pretty confident and friendly... am I right?" (As you may notice this could very well be used in the Qualification phase, like many other cold reads that say something about her.)
    • "You kinda look Japanese, you're probably into wearing school girl outfits and killing dolphins, shame on you"
    • "You know what, you're kinda cute, your nose wiggles when you talk. I like that, it totally reminds me of my kid sister/niece/friend [temper with she's a pain in the ass too] [lead in to story... You know its funny, the last time I saw her we]"
    • "Yeah, you’re the quiet one …kinda like Velma from Scooby Doo… you’re smart…and I bet you like to solve mysteries."


    Or; Turn Questions into Statements:
    • "What do you do?".... becomes ...."You're probably a teacher aren't you. You have this save the world vibe about you"
    • "So what are you doing tonight".... becomes ..... "So what are you doing tonight.. wait let me guess, you're getting drunk, you're picking up boys, and you're looking after the other two"
    • So what do you do for a living" .... becomes ..... "so what do you do for a living.. wait let me guess, you're a nurse or a teacher you look like you have caring demenaour.



    False Disqualifiers
    these help with displaying a healthy level of disinterest, and also act as a way of conveying interest in a flirtatious way:
    "If you weren't so dorky I'd probably be trying to get into your pants right now, shame you're a nerd".
    "I can already tell you and I aren't going to get along"
    "I’m totally not boyfriend material. You need a nice guy who will buy you flowers and tell you how great you look. Hey, that guy over there looks perfect for you"
    These can also act as transitions from one topic to anything else.


    Oh Shit Moments (for when you can't think of anything else)
    And for when you literally cannot think of anything to say:
    • "Why do you hate jesus?"
    • "So listen, I've been wondering this for a while and you might be able to help me seen as you're a girl you probably know a lot more about this then I do. I was wondering how many shirts do you think Iron Man can Iron in an hour?"
    • "Are you racist?"
    • "So basically you think you're better than me"
    • "Is that a threat?"
    • "Give me your purse!" .... "so yeah that's what I do, I steal money off small girls".... "so seriously, give me your purse"
    • "so basically you're trying to ruin my life (marriage/divorce role-play)"
    • "You know what, I want to get your advice. I came to London for two things, to get married and to lose my virginity. Which do you think I should do first? My mum was sick of me living at home playing on world of warcraft"
    • "You've changed"
    • "Shaddup jailbait"


    Type out a bunch of those into your phone and then take it out when you're stuck as though you've just got a text message and carry on stacking forward. Do NOT eject!



    2. Physically:

    Body Language
    back straight, shoulders back, chin up, even leaning back slightly and with a smile on your face or Cajun style - a shit eating grin as though you know something they don't. Own your space and be aware of your presence, which should be bold and large.
    To understand what it looks like, try to imagine you have a piece of string attached to your head and you are dangling from it, your spine is as straight as it can be in this situation, that is how you should be.
    When you're walking down the street in your day to day life, keep your head up. You will notice how uncomfortable it feels and how you have to fight the desire to look down or away. Don't! Stay strong and witness the outcome. Keep a smile on your face and maintain eye contact, girls will smile back, guys will look away or nod nervously. In the eyes of strangers, you must be very high value to have that confidence.
    When seated take up space, relax, and try to be as horizontal as possible without it seeming weird. Be James Dean: http://www.clay-collins.com/blog/jam...body-language/
    Movement should be slow and deliberate, never fidgety or erratic. Imagine you're shoulder deep in water, now walk.
    Never face the girl completely until she is facing you. One thing I see a lot of students doing on the first night of bootcamp is sitting facing the girl full on while she is sideways on to them. They're often so excited to be in set and holding the conversation that they convey way too much interest physically. Pretty quickly those sets go stale and the students are left scratching their head as to why the girl lost interest when they seemed to say everything right. Only give her your full bodily attention when it's on. Like all things game, play with this until it feels comfortable, and study your friends and others as they interact with each other. Watch how one person will be trying for the attention of the other. Two people talking will rarely have both parties facing each other directly. Don't be the one trying for the attention.

    Locking in
    this is something I personally don't intentionally do in the first 30 seconds so often anymore as I play a very dominant and masculine game that tends to escalate rapidly, but when I find myself at the bar or somewhere where locking in is very easy than I will do it. That being said, for most guys (you included) locking is important and you should do it as soon as you can. If that means moving people around then just do it, remember bullshit baffles brains so keep talking random banter while you move them.
    Later on in the interaction, as a concept it doesn't seem to feed into the progression model as you cannot be dominant and Kino escalating, and creating the bubble around the two of you with proximity and vibe whilst trying to look cool leaning against a wall, though as these things occur in spikes only, when ever you're talking normally try to find something to lean against.

    Takeaways
    a phrase Braddock coined and one that simply means take away your attention or interest in order to spike her emotions. You can do this a number of ways that start with very subtle glances down at your finger nails (Mr M style) or at your cigarette as she is talking, to more medium plays such as getting your phone out to read a text quickly, to the very blatant back turn when she says something stupid or that you fake disapproval of. What you're doing is giving her the gift of missing you and spiking that emotion that makes her want to cling on to you and keep you around.
    Some other takeaways are crossing your arms, looking over her shoulder, re-organising something at the table (not fidgeting).
    I will often temper three very different emotional spikes in quick succession. So I will give lots of proximity and talk into the girls ear, qualifying and giving her warmth, then as I come away from her ear I will butt heads in the way cats do, temple to temple while breathing slowly. This is done gently, the idea is to create massive sexual tension not put her on her ass. Then immediately roll off to a side and stand almost side ways on to her with my arms crossed and normal conversation resumed, slightly cold. Warmth, Massive Sexual Tension, Cold. Then smile and back to normal body language. In 10 seconds she will have experienced a wide range of emotions. I do this in my SNL game, or my game as it should be called.


    Kino
    the topic of Kino is covered extensively elsewhere so I won't cover it completely. What I will say is that push yourself faster than you think is possible. Go way beyond what you think the girl will positively respond to and be completely unashamed doing so. Take her hand, lead her around with confidence and she will follow. I've had lays within 10 minutes by escalating rapidly and doing so with cojones. You can get a whole lot more done with a whole lot less effort with rapid kino.
    Gently rub your hand down her forearm and hook her hand with two fingers whilst talking. Hold it like that for a few seconds then let go.
    Put your hand on the back of her shoulder and lean into to talk into her opposite ear, whilst applying gentle pressure to the shoulder to make her feel as though you're bringing her to you (done when very close already - this isn't leaning in as AFC guys do it).
    The next time you do the above, put your hand with your thumb touching her neck.
    Put a hand on her hip whilst talking to her.
    Move her around, literally. Move her body with your hands. Make her stand to one side, push her up against a wall or the bar (covered below in Dominance).
    When talking into her ear, after the 2nd or 3rd time, gently caress the hair from her ear and hold her head that way.
    Bump heads gently as you come away from her ear.
    Stand really close (covered below in Proximity)

    Proximity
    you do this when you have attraction, which can happen instantly if you open positively but it can also help to create the kind of sexual tension most interactions are lacking. I tend to step in close, deep into their personal space and create a sense of excitement by not saying anything. I'll look them in the eye, look away over their shoulder than return to the eyes. That kind of tension creates huge amounts of attraction but only works when you have some to begin with. Otherwise it's just creepy. Using Proximity when you don't have a lot of attraction is still important, though you should temper it with less risky or tense conversation, and do it in mini spikes.
    Final note on proximity. It is when you are up close, right in their space with very little room for them to move. A lot of guys make the mistake of thinking standing close is proximity, it isn't in a bar or club setting, that's just standing. With proximity it's feeling each others presence on a different level.

    Dominance
    By setting the frame early that it is you in charge, you demonstrate confidence and rock solid inner game. The kind of dominance you use in the beginning is to not ask but rather state things you are going to do. So "do you want to go to the bar?" becomes "come on, we're going to the bar to pound shots". You then take her hand and lead her and you do so without hesitation. It also means taking her hand when you want, being a little forceful in moving her around (a little, not shoving but allowing her to feel the pressure), and being comfortable making demands. Again with this it requires calibration and it's not you ordering her like a drill sergeant but rather taking her in a loving way, you're making the decisions and carrying that burden.
    When it comes to same night lays, I think dominance is one of the most important elements. By setting this frame early, it allows her to feel plausible deniability when it comes to later and you telling her "let's get the fuck out of here".
    Being congruent with taking a dominant role requires that you have rock solid confidence or can at least project that. So avoid darting eyes and any kind of fidgety behaviour.
    Final note on dominance; it should run through the whole interaction with you taking the lead but very physical dominance should come in spikes. This includes allowing your sexual desire to explode out for a second forcing you to push her back up against a wall while you groan into her ear. Then stepping off and going back to normal. Spikes!



    3. Psychologically:

    Assume attraction
    The majority of guys, and myself included before I got good, think that women don't have those same urges and desires that we as men experience. They do, they just don't verbalise it the way we do, or make it so obvious. They rarely chase so it can be very easy to fall into the trap of thinking almost all girls want just a tiny handful of guys because they never openly admit to liking anyone else. And by that same token it's very easy to lump yourself in with the majority of the guys that leaves out.
    It should go without saying that it's not true. You don't really even need good game to get a date with most girls, you just need some game and the confidence to talk. Girls are just like guys in that they can be attracted to you with the smallest of cues. Where we differ is that we go on looks, girls go on sub communications. If you walk around a venue with ease and with the kind of body language I described above, exuding confidence as you go, women will be drawn to you.

    Don't get attached to an outcome
    Look only to have fun. This means not worrying too much about where you are in the triad model, or trying to find opportunities to DHV or throw in a particular routine you've had memorised all night.
    The easiest way to be outcome independent is to have an abundance of women, but getting to that point requires mastery and if you were there you probably wouldn't be reading this. Instead, you can fake it until you make it. Act as though you have many beautiful women in your life, think that way, even try to convince yourself. At least understand that this one girl means nothing, there are soooo many more. Also, remember that women are not rejecting you, they're rejecting your skill set, something which you're working on and with practice will get better at. So don't berate yourself or get caught up in destructive negative thought patterns that you allow to define and rule you.

    Know that it's perfectly normal to want and have sex
    it's not a big deal and it's not a prize to be won. This is huge.
    The kind of guy who can define their view on sex by the words in this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o probably gets very little.
    A big breakthrough in my head came without me realising it at first. I had been getting laid quite a lot and had started to expect it. Girls would say "I'll come to yours but I'm not sleeping with you" or "in your dreams" and in my mind I would just assume that meant "yeah we're having sex!". It really threw me off when one actually meant it.
    Adopting a mindset in which you believe that girls wanting to have sex with you is perfectly normal is difficult but not impossible. Again, it's another fake it until you make it.
    Also, realising that girls want to and will sleep with a guy the same night they meet allowed me to radiate confidence and a lack of judgement. So many guys, particularly ones who get very little action (aka most guys), believe that if a girl sleeps with you the same night or on a first or second date (in other words doesn't make you jump through a massive bunch of hoops) than she is clearly a slut. This isn't true at all and I think it stems from experience. If the only girls you've ever hooked up with for one night stands have been very easy girls, the kind that have little in the way of standards than I can see how it would seem logical to draw this conclusion. I witness this kind of mentality from a lot of my AFC friends. They cling strongly to this idea that only girls with low standards do that, and their girlfriend would never do it, or only did it that one time on holiday when she was 18 and drunk. Their girlfriend naturally made them jump through a bunch of hoops and waited an arbitrary length of time because they hold this belief as they have never had the game to be able to experience otherwise.
    The truth is almost all girls will have one night stands with the right guy (except the very heavily religious). It's just that simple! Whilst it may seem like they have a lot of choice, and in a way they do (any girl, even the fattest ugliest women could realistically get more sex than any guy by just asking for it), women who don't screen potential sexual partners are deemed "sluts", are at risk of harm, pregnancy, and STD's, and lose social status. They are also often judged negatively by the very guys they have sex with which adds an extra element of risk, and in the past will likely have been dumped shortly after giving it up. Because of these and some other factors (including ending up with a guy who rings ten times a day and can't accept it was just a one night stand), women don't just take whatever is offered.
    Be the guy they can comfortably express their sexuality with, without judgement.

    Women are your playmates, not your opponents
    Ever wondered why it's so easy for some guys, and yet every other guy struggles to get the odd lay here and there? It’s like a little secret women have with guys who "get it". I look around a venue and see the hot women and it gets me excited. I know that I am in on their secret and that I can have fun with them and they can have fun with me. I understand them, I understand how the process works: the need for the bitch shield, the problem with nice guys, the natural hatred towards the sleazy guy, the need to protect their reputation, logistics, the fear of negative judgement from the AFC, the need for plausible deniability and the requirement that as the man, it's up to me to make it happen. So, with that being said, don't think of sex as a prize that women hand out when you've jumped through their hoops, just understand that there is a need for women to screen. As a guy who understands this, you share in the secret and so can confidently pass the screening process.

    Understand that they're expecting you to lead
    and on the same note look for the absence of a red light rather than a green light. Not all girls are so forward as to actively indicate interest but this doesn't mean they're not into you. So keep moving forward, keep pushing boundaries and always be closing. Don't just go for the number, go for more. Attempt a kiss close, or if it's late and you've been with her 10 minutes suggest leaving.

    Recognize their femininity
    I see girls as cute and adorable, all of them. Not in a patronising way, but in that I have swathes of masculinity and with it I allow girls to melt in my presence. To express their inner princess with me.
    Whenever I see a girl that I find particularly cute I approach her with that in mind, not deliberately, it's become my default. That I want to hold her and protect her, be the man so that she can be the princess and be taken care of, be soft and gentle, and vulnerable around me. I love that feeling. That's one of the keys to my success, my love for women and that extreme polarity of my strong masculinity to their vulnerable femininity. When you have a mindset similar to that, and you hold that belief to be true, then it becomes very easy to convey many of the attractive qualities without having to say a word. They will see it in your eyes and feel it in your presence.



    Remember, calibration is key but you can't learn how to do that without having experienced the spectrum of what's possible. You have to get used to being out of your comfort zone to get good at this.
    Soul refers to this as the pendulum effect, go way beyond what works and then come back the other way until you find a balance. So go out and test the waters, practice all of it and push boundaries. Don't be afraid because of some perceived notion of negative consequence, typically the worst that will happen is you get rejected in a slightly harsher than normal way but that's not so bad.
    As an aside, last year’s Project Rockstar students were tasked with doing this very same thing one night, but were told that they had to go so far they got slapped. Despite some really gruesome attempts, no one actually did which demonstrated to them just how far boundaries can be pushed.

    I've laid out a lot right there and for a lot of you most of it you will already be familiar so just pick through it and try to identify what it is you're not doing and work on that. For others, small chunk it but remember this one final point:
    When you go into the interaction you can do one of 2 things:
    • 1. Try not to get rejected
    • 2. Try to get laid

    You can't do both. The guy who is trying to not get blown out will look for the IOI's, he won't escalate, he'll seek approval, and eventually the girl will give him the kiss of death that is "Well it was nice meeting you" and leave.
    If you go in trying to get laid you will likely get blown out a little more dramatically or quicker, though it won't be huge by any stretch and no one else will notice. However, what the girl won't be doing is going off looking for a guy with some balls. So go in big, and go after what you want. Even if you don't want the same night lay, still go for it. You probably won't get it but you will get attraction for being a man who has balls and you can close then meet her again.


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    Great read. Really enjoyed going. Have never been the best around girls. I have gotten better in college around them but havent had much luck. My friend told me her roommate thought i was cute and i think shes cute. My friend and I are doing Hw tomorrow and she asked if i wanted to do it in her room so i could see her roommate... I assume she told/ asked her roomate about it.... So i havent officially met her yet but i need to build attraction right from the start and tease. Have to avoid the whole " whats your major, where you from questions". theres 4-5 girls in the suite so i guess my biggest concern is really an opener around all of them if they are there. I wanna make a good impression...

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    Quote Originally Posted by letsgetgoin28 View Post
    Have to avoid the whole " whats your major, where you from questions". theres 4-5 girls in the suite so i guess my biggest concern is really an opener around all of them if they are there. I wanna make a good impression...
    What's up letsgetgoin,

    This is a nice lil' set up. You're going to be doing homework together and your friend is playing love doctor. What's nice about this scenario is that there's no picc-up involved, your friend is literally delivering the vagina onto your pelvis, you just need to stick it in

    She's already attracted to you, but dull conversation and DLVing will take you right out of the race.

    Remember, she already things you're cute, so keep in mind that under the right circumstances, she'll let you "smash"

    If you find yourself stuck and can't think of anything to say, fall bacc on this.

    Almost randomly, ask her, "What did you want to be when you were a little girl?"
    She might be like, "Huh" or "What do you mean"
    Remain confident, don't stutter, and reply w/ "You know, when you were still peeing in your bed, when you were little, want did you want to grow up to be?"
    She tells you something like "A princess, or a doctor" and asks "Why?"
    Then you just respond with something like, "I was just thinking, when I was young, I wanted to be a ninja! I wanted to do back flips off of walls, throw ninja stars at foes and break bricks with my bare hands. And here I am, studying to be a freakin engineer (or whatever your major is). I guess I just wanted to know if you always wanted to be what you are studying for now, and if not, what happened to change those child hood dreams?"

    This has always lead to long and interesting conversations. Ask her, "what happened, why did you give up on becoming a princess (or whatever she said)" and she'll take you through a timeline of her past, which could amount to endless hours of conversation, all the meanwhile you're DHVing, using kino, and closing the girl without her even knowing it.

    Be creative, be funny, and most of all, be interesting. Make sure to listen to her responses. A lot of times, women will communicate just exactly it is they are seeking for in life and in companionship, without you asking them. All you have to do is show her that through you, all that she wishes to find is, possible.

    Go get her tiger!

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    Holy shit Venture, excellent post!!

    This covers pretty much all the sticking points I'm having atm. Perfect to get a clear view on things again when you might be a little confused. Nice!
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    Thanks Retoke
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    This is some really good stuff. Someone sticky this now, because it's great reference material.

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    one last point you should make is, to apply knowledge in small chunks. perhaps you did but it wasn't clear...
    nice article anywayz.

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    This seems like some kind of a mix of blueprint concepts and love systems outer game, LOVE IT. Thats exactly what the community needs right now In my opinion. The guy who made blueprint is clearly ahead of everyone when it comes to inner game, and lovesystems is the leading company when it comes to outer-game and techniques. Some teaching that COMBINES them both and can give practical examples to internalise them is the missing link in the community right now and this article is a GREAT example of a start of it. I hope you post more about stuff like this Venture, like how all this applies in qualification and comfort for example.

    LOVE this stuff, keep it coming dude!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WannabeJock View Post
    This seems like some kind of a mix of blueprint concepts and love systems outer game, LOVE IT. Thats exactly what the community needs right now In my opinion. The guy who made blueprint is clearly ahead of everyone when it comes to inner game, and lovesystems is the leading company when it comes to outer-game and techniques. Some teaching that COMBINES them both and can give practical examples to internalise them is the missing link in the community right now and this article is a GREAT example of a start of it. I hope you post more about stuff like this Venture, like how all this applies in qualification and comfort for example.

    LOVE this stuff, keep it coming dude!
    Thanks WannabeJock.
    I think the company as a whole are pioneering change throughout the industry in this area in that we are fusing outer game techniques with principles, psychology, and innergame to ensure people get the most out of what we do. Just a cursory glance at the bootcamp reviews is evidence of that.
    It's a shame a lot of people think the industry is still all about Peacocking and neg theories.
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