Originally Posted by Aestus

I lack trust at the love system guys.

That's OK. There are other guys out there you can choose to trust, or not.

That said, the service they sell has a guarantee. Untrustworthy people generally don't do that.

Do you guys like braddock, savoy etc really pull alot of hot girls? I mean, it should be a MUST if you teach this stuff...

Of course it's a must.

Where is the evidence? Can you see all the pics of you guys and hot girls somewhere? Infield videos?

While that's the least reliable measure of skill (who can't record 50 sets and just show the one that went well?), there are a lot of pics and videos of LS instructors in field or with hot girls.

But more importantly, you've been here for close to two years. That's long enough to have put various techniques into practice and figured out what works and what doesn't, and from that, who you can trust and who is selling you lies disguised as self-improvement advice. But you haven't. Maybe that would be something for you to focus on?

This whole thread is weird. If I, for some reason, didn't trust Toyota, I wouldn't post on Toyota forums talking about my vague lack of trust and refer to the fact that people somewhere say negative things about Toyota so people could try to qualify Toyota to me. I'd just go buy a different car. Why don't you do the same?

I think that video of Cajun is enough to clear all doubts, that was f***in amazing and with beautiful girls, I just have a question, do instructors also "evaluate" the girls they are approaching ? Because I think it's important to know which kind of girl you're going to approach, and based on their body language perceive if they are going to be fun, crazy or unreceptive. It was kinda weird how Cajun always made great choices about who to approach .

Aestus, I'll clear this up once and for all.
Please give me your sister's phone number and tell me where I can find that one girl you always wanted but never thought you could get. I'm in Manhattan, so give me some travel time to set you straight.

Originally Posted by Future

Aestus, I'll clear this up once and for all.
Please give me your sister's phone number and tell me where I can find that one girl you always wanted but never thought you could get. I'm in Manhattan, so give me some travel time to set you straight.

Hehe okey, yeah sounds cool.

Btw, I really feel comfort is my sticking point, Im kinda good looking and I dont have such a problem with qualification , but when it comes to comfort I really suck. From what IVe heard you are really good at this, any tips or posts I should read?

Identity , Comfort , and Qualification

Sure thing, Aestus.

Let's observe excerpts from your TAF oeuvre.

In this post you said.

When I use routines on a girl or group of girls, I get the most amazing reactions. Girls are laughing out loud, hanging on me and they are so drawn to me. As if I was Justin Timberlake or the guy from Twilight.

When I do it natural, just having a good time and having fun with them, the interest levels are just lower it seems when I first meet a girl.

So now I really don't know what to do. Routines are so amazing and can spark attraction really fast and hard, on a level I can't do the natural way initially

I don't have to use rountines to pick up chicks, but when I compare how women react to me .... I feel to use them again.

Anyone else knows what I'm talking about? :P And how did you guys become a 100% natural?

And in this post you said*

It seems like everyone who is good at this game is REALLY good at teasing . I have been reading ROlys blog alot and after all his experience he has come down to that the key to good game is teasing , not kissing up to the girl, just giving her a hard time and verbally spar to the bed.

Also my natural friends who are good with girls tease the shit out of them, and they often cant stop laughing at it, they hit them on their shoulders and laugh and my friends just keep on busting their asses.

And I already replied here to your misgivings and others' about the player's psychological state reflecting outward when it comes to game here.

But for me the meat is in this thread you started

o tyler says that you should have a crystal clear concept of who you are. Well I dont have this, I dont really know what my identity is at all.

How can I find out of it so I can start work to make it stronger?

When you're asking questions like this, any Love Systems instructors -- the best instructors in our field-- are nodding with understanding, because we see the road you have to walk, and we know the steps you have to take. We are also taking deep, deep breaths, because we know a lot of people don't have the stones to take those steps toward being the best person they can be. See what I said in the thread on your state of mind.

Here's the deal. Why you suck at comfort , and why I don't believe you when you say you are good at qualification :

You're lost in the sauce, Aestus.

Take a hard look in the mirror. Get into a staring contest with that son of a bitch. Memorize every line, every spoke of your iris. Now. Know that you are going to die. You have one life. What are you going to do with it? We'll come back to that point, but don't think for one second the Grim Reaper is ever far from this post.

Women are, by and large, emotional creatures. Indeed, even professional badass women relish an opportunity to capitulate** their working facade for the sake of merging with the present, living in their emotions. They overanalyze damned near every indicator for emotional subtext, and they often get stopped in their tracks by the drama that analysis creates. Women need a man who will take charge. They need a man who knows what he wants. In The Female Brain , Luann Brenzendine compares a woman's emotional state to the weather, and a man's to a mountain. Well, brother, you sound a lot like the weather. It's not an insult. I'm an artist first and foremost. After years and years of working on this stuff I realized that for all the alpha BS I didn't want to sacrifice my human sensitivity on the altar of being a Real Man because a.) it didn't jibe with who I was and b.) it would restrict my work. When I made this realization I starting getting laid more and with hotter girls. Weird, right? That's identity . You don't know who you are or what you want? You need someone to tell you how to feel? You're displaying a lot of feminine characteristics (I am using "feminine" in the sense meant by David Deida in The Way of the Superior Man. In fact, much of what I say will sound a lot like some of the authors I recommend in this post. If you haven't been exposed to these ideas, I have five syllables for you: Amazon.com).

So what's the answer, Future ? Don't just insult me, help me! On it.
What do you want?
Pretend this isn't the best qualifier in the universe:

What would you do if you could do anything for the rest of your life, assuming money or failure or social scorn weren't on the table? Don't answer it here. In your heart you know what it is, but you have so many barriers in your way that you are afraid to answer it. Now, some people say I'm lucky because I know who I am. Yeah, right. When I was ten I wanted to own a toy company. When I was 18 I wanted be a Presbyterian priest.*** By the time I was 20 I was a U.S. Marine. It wasn't until Uncle Sam told me EXACTLY what I did NOT want to be for the rest of my life that I decided on film school and my current path of writing and performance. How did I find out what I wanted to be when I grew up? I failed. A lot. Cosmically. Epically. And then I glared at the sun and bounced back to my feet. I plan on failing spectacularly in some endeavor in the next year. How about you? No? Then you're not trying hard enough. Cut yourself on the razor's edge of life so you can know what color your blood is. Otherwise you are merely living by not dying, and success if making it to bed time by putting your head on your pillow. Do you have a crappy job you hate? Your fault. Do you have dreams you don't know if you can accomplish? Your fault. No one will give you success in this life, and only that guy in the mirror can tell you truly what success looks like. Not me, not the media, and not anyone else on this forum. You and you alone know what it means to be a successful Aestus. Too much pressure? Tough shit.

How does all that relate to girls? It means that you have something bigger than your libido calling your attention. It means that when women spaz out and lose their minds you have something more important guiding you away, something that isn't subject to momentary whimsy. And THAT goes back to qualification . How do I know you suck at qualification ? Because you aren't holding YOURSELF to standards, it's extremely unlikely you're asking women to abide by standards you set for them, standards born of a life that has needs independent of your boner, needs that women must abide if they wish to fall into your orbit. Real qualification stems from viewing yourself as the one who sets the rhythm of the relationship. Until you believe your time is just as valuable or more valuable than hers, you will never really get her to qualify herself.

And qualification is at the heart of my comfort game. I ask hard questions. Hard like, "Why are you here?" hard. Hard like, "Pretend we've been dating for six months, and I suddenly realize you're not the one for me. What did I find out?" How does this build comfort ? Simple: no answer she can give me will change how I look at myself or how I relate to her. The truth of who she is inspires desire. I am unafraid when I look in the mirror.**** When I turn to the woman in my bed, I can look deeply into her eyes and speak from my heart because I am untroubled by what lies there, and I my comfort with myself puts her at ease and makes it easier for her to feel safe with the terrain in her own heart.

So the first step to having results like mine during your mid-game is faith in yourself. This faith can be hard to find and is usually undermined by a lack of priorities and a failure to silence the hateful voices in your own head. (cf Inner Game of Tennis and Psycho-Cybernetics and Thick Face, Black Heart). If you want women to feel like they are really lucky to have you, which is a factor in attraction and qualification , you have to first feel lucky to be alive. How do you get there? For me it took thousands of sets, hundreds of thousands of pages, millions of tears, a whole lot of hard looks in the mirror, and a return to regular church attendance. Your mileage may vary, but you better believe you're never going to get real, repeatable success with the women you desire unless you can see what they would want in a guy like you. If you can't because you suck, well, the sun will rise tomorrow, and you only have so many tomorrows left: stop sucking. If you can't because of mental roadblocks, start paying attention to the voice in your head and start ordering it to say nice things to you. The mind is a wonderful servant but a terrible master. Most often the path is a combination of both approaches. If I made it sound easy I wrote it down wrong.

Or you can fake it all and end up with lousy comfort like that tall dude in the funny hat.

Do Love Systems instructors get laid by hot girls? You bet your ass.

Do we change lives every single time we teach our classes? You better believe it.

I don't have the need or the patience to justify my company to you. As someone else said you can see the reviews for that. You can look to our 100% refund guarantee. Either way I will sleep soundly next to the golden brown tan of a gorgeous Korean girl after I submit my reply here. No, I won't show you her picture because (this may surprise you) she doesn't want her picture and our implicit sexual relationship (whoops, now it's explicit) plastered over these forums. If you don't understand why, well, you have a lot to learn about women. A few days of sticky sex later and my students will have their minds blown by the time I wrap my boot camp this Sunday. You wanna get good? Sign up. You wanna ask questions and keep getting shitty results? Keep typing.

I hate talking about my numbers because I hate sounding like I'm bragging. That said I promise if you had a 2009-2010 like I have, you would be thanking God for Love Systems the same way I do. Remember, Aestus, I was a student. I paid a few grand to ask people what the Hell to say next.

So did Braddock .
So did Soul .
So did Tenmagnet .
So did Cajun .
So did Mr. M .
And on and on.

For every one of us the keys to success lay in what I talked about above and what I talked about in my other posts. If you half-ass it and only say the lines without taking hard, hard looks in the mirror to see why women might find you unattractive, you're taking the easy way out... which is something else women find unattractive.

Stop being a wannabe and blaming anyone other than the guy in the mirror. I hope this answers your questions about comfort .

Now what is your sister's phone number?

*-- The Truth had an excellent reply, and I'd be remiss not to include it.

I think what you see is external implementation of what internally IS an underlining foundation of person's game.

Teasing is just one of the tools.

What you're not noticing is, body language , attitude, inner thoughts, perception towards women (and the game), physical aspects such as clothing, mannerism, verbal intonation, confidence, etc.

The problem with most guys who say "OH, well XYZ is what gets you girls" is that there is no one thing that's a key.

Overall attitude could be the key, but it's not.

While it's important to maintain playful attitude and being able to tease girls, if you have psychotic thoughts and want to hurt people, no matter how great your teasing is, rarely a girl will want to go to bed with you.


Just a thought.

**-- Yeah, I use big words. You're 26, so you know how to use a dictionary. In the future, I'd like to request that you spell-check your forum posts and revise them for basic readability. The sloppiness of your prose reflects a sloppiness of thinking that is probably muddying the way you're approaching women. Before you click "post," read your entry aloud and see if it reflects how someone with a brain speaks aloud. Or your entries can continue to read like your English teacher committed seppuku mid-semester. Your call.

***-- A priest is anyone who is ordained to perform religious rites in a given faith, especially baptism, marriage, and Eucharist in Christianity. Different religions have different terms for the priestly class, from Islam's clerics to Hindu pandits, but the next time someone mistakenly thinks that the only "priests" are those of the Catholic persuasion, either take the time to correct them or silently, smugly know they are wrong. Priest is a non-denominational word that has taken on a bizarrely Catholic spin for no reason other than the ignorance of modern English speakers.

****-- I am lying here. I am MOSTLY ultra-confident. I am MOSTLY at ease with myself. I am MOSTLY certain. I am so much these things that I ooze them with women and in front of a classroom. Anyone who claims perfect freedom from fear is fucking terrified and should not be trusted because he is not being honest with himself and thus with you. But I can sell that nearly invincible self-confidence because I live it.... Oh, and I talk about this exception with women... which builds more comfort .

Originally Posted by Future

Sure thing, Aestus.

Let's observe excerpts from your TAF oeuvre.

In this post you said.



And in this post you said*



And I already replied here to your misgivings and others' about the player's psychological state reflecting outward when it comes to game here.

But for me the meat is in this thread you started

When you're asking questions like this, any Love Systems instructors -- the best instructors in our field-- are nodding with understanding, because we see the road you have to walk, and we know the steps you have to take. We are also taking deep, deep breaths, because we know a lot of people don't have the stones to take those steps toward being the best person they can be. See what I said in the thread on your state of mind.

Here's the deal. Why you suck at comfort , and why I don't believe you when you say you are good at qualification :

You're lost in the sauce, Aestus.

Take a hard look in the mirror. Get into a staring contest with that son of a bitch. Memorize every line, every spoke of your iris. Now. Know that you are going to die. You have one life. What are you going to do with it? We'll come back to that point, but don't think for one second the Grim Reaper is ever far from this post.

Women are, by and large, emotional creatures. Indeed, even professional badass women relish an opportunity to capitulate** their working facade for the sake of merging with the present, living in their emotions. They overanalyze damned near every indicator for emotional subtext, and they often get stopped in their tracks by the drama that analysis creates. Women need a man who will take charge. They need a man who knows what he wants. In The Female Brain , Luann Brenzendine compares a woman's emotional state to the weather, and a man's to a mountain. Well, brother, you sound a lot like the weather. It's not an insult. I'm an artist first and foremost. After years and years of working on this stuff I realized that for all the alpha BS I didn't want to sacrifice my human sensitivity on the altar of being a Real Man because a.) it didn't jibe with who I was and b.) it would restrict my work. When I made this realization I starting getting laid more and with hotter girls. Weird, right? That's identity . You don't know who you are or what you want? You need someone to tell you how to feel? You're displaying a lot of feminine characteristics (I am using "feminine" in the sense meant by David Deida in The Way of the Superior Man. In fact, much of what I say will sound a lot like some of the authors I recommend in this post. If you haven't been exposed to these ideas, I have five syllables for you: Amazon.com).

So what's the answer, Future ? Don't just insult me, help me! On it.
What do you want?
Pretend this isn't the best qualifier in the universe:

What would you do if you could do anything for the rest of your life, assuming money or failure or social scorn weren't on the table? Don't answer it here. In your heart you know what it is, but you have so many barriers in your way that you are afraid to answer it. Now, some people say I'm lucky because I know who I am. Yeah, right. When I was ten I wanted to own a toy company. When I was 18 I wanted be a Presbyterian priest.*** By the time I was 20 I was a U.S. Marine. It wasn't until Uncle Sam told me EXACTLY what I did NOT want to be for the rest of my life that I decided on film school and my current path of writing and performance. How did I find out what I wanted to be when I grew up? I failed. A lot. Cosmically. Epically. And then I glared at the sun and bounced back to my feet. I plan on failing spectacularly in some endeavor in the next year. How about you? No? Then you're not trying hard enough. Cut yourself on the razor's edge of life so you can know what color your blood is. Otherwise you are merely living by not dying, and success if making it to bed time by putting your head on your pillow. Do you have a crappy job you hate? Your fault. Do you have dreams you don't know if you can accomplish? Your fault. No one will give you success in this life, and only that guy in the mirror can tell you truly what success looks like. Not me, not the media, and not anyone else on this forum. You and you alone know what it means to be a successful Aestus. Too much pressure? Tough shit.

How does all that relate to girls? It means that you have something bigger than your libido calling your attention. It means that when women spaz out and lose their minds you have something more important guiding you away, something that isn't subject to momentary whimsy. And THAT goes back to qualification . How do I know you suck at qualification ? Because you aren't holding YOURSELF to standards, it's extremely unlikely you're asking women to abide by standards you set for them, standards born of a life that has needs independent of your boner, needs that women must abide if they wish to fall into your orbit. Real qualification stems from viewing yourself as the one who sets the rhythm of the relationship. Until you believe your time is just as valuable or more valuable than hers, you will never really get her to qualify herself.

And qualification is at the heart of my comfort game. I ask hard questions. Hard like, "Why are you here?" hard. Hard like, "Pretend we've been dating for six months, and I suddenly realize you're not the one for me. What did I find out?" How does this build comfort ? Simple: no answer she can give me will change how I look at myself or how I relate to her. The truth of who she is inspires desire. I am unafraid when I look in the mirror.**** When I turn to the woman in my bed, I can look deeply into her eyes and speak from my heart because I am untroubled by what lies there, and I my comfort with myself puts her at ease and makes it easier for her to feel safe with the terrain in her own heart.

So the first step to having results like mine during your mid-game is faith in yourself. This faith can be hard to find and is usually undermined by a lack of priorities and a failure to silence the hateful voices in your own head. (cf Inner Game of Tennis and Psycho-Cybernetics and Thick Face, Black Heart). If you want women to feel like they are really lucky to have you, which is a factor in attraction and qualification , you have to first feel lucky to be alive. How do you get there? For me it took thousands of sets, hundreds of thousands of pages, millions of tears, a whole lot of hard looks in the mirror, and a return to regular church attendance. Your mileage may vary, but you better believe you're never going to get real, repeatable success with the women you desire unless you can see what they would want in a guy like you. If you can't because you suck, well, the sun will rise tomorrow, and you only have so many tomorrows left: stop sucking. If you can't because of mental roadblocks, start paying attention to the voice in your head and start ordering it to say nice things to you. The mind is a wonderful servant but a terrible master. Most often the path is a combination of both approaches. If I made it sound easy I wrote it down wrong.

Or you can fake it all and end up with lousy comfort like that tall dude in the funny hat.

Do Love Systems instructors get laid by hot girls? You bet your ass.

Do we change lives every single time we teach our classes? You better believe it.

I don't have the need or the patience to justify my company to you. As someone else said you can see the reviews for that. You can look to our 100% refund guarantee. Either way I will sleep soundly next to the golden brown tan of a gorgeous Korean girl after I submit my reply here, and my students will have their minds blown by the time I wrap my boot camp this Sunday.

I don't hate talking about my numbers because I hate sounding like I'm bragging. That said I promise if you had a 2009-2010 like I have, you would be thanking God for Love Systems the same way I do. Remember, Aestus, I was a student. I paid a few grand to ask people what the Hell to say next.

So did Braddock .
So did Soul .
So did Tenmagnet .
So did Cajun .
So did Mr. M .
And on and on.

For every one of us the keys to success lay in what I talked about above and what I talked about in my other posts. If you half-ass it and only say the lines without taking hard, hard looks in the mirror to see why women might find you unattractive, you're taking the easy way out... which is something else women find unattractive.

Stop being a wannabe and blaming anyone other than the guy in the mirror. I hope this answers your questions about comfort .

Now what is your sister's phone number?

*-- The Truth had an excellent reply, and I'd be remiss not to include it.

**-- Yeah, I use big words. You're 26, so you know how to use a dictionary. In the future, I'd like to request that you spell-check your forum posts and revise them for basic readability. The sloppiness of your prose reflects a sloppiness of thinking that is probably muddying the way you're approaching women. Before you click "post," read your entry aloud and see if it reflects how someone with a brain speaks aloud. Or your entries can continue to read like your English teacher committed seppuku mid-semester. Your call.

***-- A priest is anyone who is ordained to perform religious rites in a given faith, especially baptism, marriage, and Eucharist in Christianity. Different religions have different terms for the priestly class, from Islam's clerics to Hindu pandits, but the next time someone mistakenly thinks that the only "priests" are those of the Catholic persuasion, either take the time to correct them or silently, smugly know they are wrong. Priest is a non-denominational word that has taken on a bizarrely Catholic spin for no reason other than the ignorance of modern English speakers.

****-- I am lying here. I am MOSTLY ultra-confident. I am MOSTLY at ease with myself. I am MOSTLY certain. I am so much these things that I ooze them with women and in front of a classroom. Anyone who claims perfect freedom from fear is fucking terrified and should not be trusted because he is not being honest with himself and thus with you. But I can sell that nearly invincible self-confidence because I live it.... Oh, and I talk about this exception with women... which builds more comfort.

I know I am not contributing much here and I said this already but I seriously sweat your gift for writing. Look forward to seeing you soon dude.

I've been to a bootcamp. Do the instructors get hot girls? Yes, ive seen it with my own eyes. Will their teachings improve your success? Yes, if you're prepared to put in the hardwork that it most certainly needs.

i've been in the game since 2007

the pickup community nowadays is very deluded. So many gurus out there with absolutely no past credibility become instructors.

i'm not going to rant anything about anybody lol, been warned many times anyway

Future ---- epic.

Originally Posted by Mr M

Future ---- epic.

Agreed. What else is there to say ? haha