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    Question for Mr. Nick Savoy

    First of all, the reason I want to ask something is because you're one of the fewest PUA who talks about relationships. I'm just curious about your beliefs.

    According to statistics, swinging and open relationships saved a tremendous amount break-up and improved relationships. Statistically, swinging is more successful than traditional relationship.

    In order to improve my dating game, should I tell a HB 9 or 10 to feel free to have sex with other men and tell me about it? After, women are being oppressed about what they can and cannot do nowadays.

    Is that being too much of a “nice guy” (low status)? What is your opinion on this? I just want a hot girlfriend and be successful in this high-divorce rate society.

    Thank you for responding Mr. Savoy.



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    You wanna get advice from Savoy? Pay him for 1 on 1's lol, I don't think he browses the forums a lot, you have a better chance to get a reply from him if you email him I think.

    On topic, if you want a hot girlfriend the dumbest think you can do is to tell her to go sleep with other guys, you should work on the relationship and more important the screening process, once a whore always a whore.

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    According to statistics, swinging and open relationships saved a tremendous amount break-up and improved relationships. Statistically, swinging is more successful than traditional relationship.
    Cite a reference, please? My understanding is it's the exact opposite. Open relationships are highly likely to fail.

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    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swinging]Swinging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


    Johnny Soporno have much better reasonings. Just listen to his free seminar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lockout View Post
    This study is of limited accuracy due to self-selected sampling. Internet-based sampling procedures create a substantial potential for bias.
    I would be extremely cautious in drawing conclusions from self-selected sample studies. If you're really interested, the Kinsely Institute did studies on this sort of thing.

    In order to improve my dating game, should I tell a HB 9 or 10 to feel free to have sex with other men and tell me about it?
    Most women will find this disturbing, not appealing. By and large, normal women like monogamous relationships
    After, women are being oppressed about what they can and cannot do nowadays.
    This is silly. Women as a whole are freer now than they have ever been.

    JMO

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    Apparently, Sigma and Vapor have two very distinct beliefs even though they're both lounge members.

    Johnny Soporno Seminar

    Just to let you guys know, Soporno does not like the seductive community methods. Here are the links:

    Soporno: Mens Dating Tips (Click on "Just be yourself)
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    Just Be Yourself

    He stated DHV is B.S and dislike methods here. Don't get in wrong, I am kind of looking foward to Soporno's view. However, I into Magic Bullets as well. However, there are a lot of people in this forum are anti love system.

    Discuss. I need to know who to learn from. Seduction Community or letting girlfriends to screw around.

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    Lockout, it's all good to debate these alternative views on open relationships. But you are sending mixed signals as to what you actually want.

    You said that you just want a hot girlfriend. By implication, you are in favor of exclusive monogamous relationships. Yet, you are sympathetic to Soporno's alternative 'open relationship' lifestyle - where he does not believe in sexual exclusivitiy(vs sexual liberalisation), and yes you can hear/read about HIS views at his videos or articles.

    If you want to know how to get into non-traditional relationships, check out Savoy's chapter on Relationships in Magic Bullets or get his Relationship manangement DVD course.

    BUT RIGHT NOW,
    Are you actually having sex with hot women right now? Is 'telling a hot women to have sex with other men" your real sticking point? I have not read enough from your posts, but I would believe you are putting the cart before the horses.

    miaddict
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    There's no Law of Love Systems that says you can't have open relationships. Some guys go for ONS game, some guys do FWB, some guys want girlfriends. Decide what you want and go for it. Johnny seems to specifically like open relationships where he actively talks about and hears about the exploits of his sexual partners. IME, that attracts a pretty weird crowd (Johnny dates the porn/sex worker crowd, IIRC, not a bastion of normalcy), but I'm not going to tell anybody what they should be into.

    The only thing I took exception to was the idea that a hot girlfriend might not stay with you if you don't let her fuck around and tell you about it. That's not true. Plenty of guys have attractive GFs/wives who don't cheat on them.

    Edit: Just read Miaddict's comments. He's focusing on the right things.

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    I'm into traditional relationship (opposite of open). However, I also want the best results for an average guy dating an HB 9 or above. Whether I like it or not, Soporno's view seem to be pretty reliable. The break-ups and divorce rate are ridiculously high. Infidelity is only 20% cause of the reason of the break-up. One of the main reason is the oppression mindset of women. So shouldn't we let girlfriends and wives to screw around a.k.a. swing?

    I don't want an open relationship, but Soporno's seemed to be an only option for an average 23 year old college student who wants a hot babe.

    Is there really an alternative way? Realistic way? That's why I need experts like Savoy to view on this.

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    I wish it were that easy or that I didn't care and could just give you a one-size-fits-all answer.

    In my Relationship Management DVDs, I spend a fair bit of time talking about when multiple relationships work and when they don't and with what kind of women. Did you see those chapters, and, if so, was there something in there that wasn't clear or you wanted me to expand on?

    Beware of any answers that sound too simple, or reflect "I did X and it worked so it will work for anyone". Unfortunately, there's a lot of bad advice out there because most so-called PUAs (even well-meaning ones) don't have the scale Love Systems does -- when I do something new and it works I can ask Mr M, Soul, Fader, Sheriff, and Cajun, etc., to try it. People who look nothing like me, act nothing like me, and live in different countries on different continents and have different taste in women. If it works for them and their clients, then we're onto something. If it doesn't, then I've found something that I can only teach tall mid-30s slightly nerdy, socially dominant, sarcastic, cynical people in Los Angeles.

    I can't imagine how anyone could presume to give PUA advice if they don't have the real-world testing lab that Love Systems does. It would be like a waiter taking one guy's order and then serving that to the entire restaurant.



    Quote Originally Posted by Lockout View Post
    I'm into traditional relationship (opposite of open). However, I also want the best results for an average guy dating an HB 9 or above. Whether I like it or not, Soporno's view seem to be pretty reliable. The break-ups and divorce rate are ridiculously high. Infidelity is only 20% cause of the reason of the break-up. One of the main reason is the oppression mindset of women. So shouldn't we let girlfriends and wives to screw around a.k.a. swing?

    I don't want an open relationship, but Soporno's seemed to be an only option for an average 23 year old college student who wants a hot babe.

    Is there really an alternative way? Realistic way? That's why I need experts like Savoy to view on this.
    Love Systems President, Program Leader

    1 - Read the Magic Bullets Handbook - it's the bible of the Love Systems community, answers 90% of the questions here, and saves you years of time re-inventing the wheel.
    2 - Follow me on The Real Savoy Blog, or my twitter account. And friend me on Facebook for exclusive dating advice I don't post anywhere else.

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