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Old 12-10-2007, 06:10 PM
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Firstly they are a captive audience. When they are on stage, and you are sitting right up front they have to look at you. Almost every stripper, when working will talk to just about anybody that wants to talk to them. Thus, unlike women outside of a strip club, strippers will almost never refuse your attempt to approach her.

Stripping becomes boring after awhile, real boring. It doesn’t take long and a girl has seen it all, heard it all. Men soon blur into just another guy with a dollar who will ogle her and hand her his money. Most strippers have very little respect for men, often seeing them as little more than means to an end. At the same time, though, most have this idea, this dream that one day a guy is going to come through the door and literally blow her away.

Most women aren’t always so easy to read as to how they feel about you. Strippers on the other hand are a little different. They are in the business of getting guys to think that they like them when in fact they don’t. However, if a stripper really likes a man she knows how to convey this to that man in a way that contributes to the relationship rather than set up power plays.

Enter Potato.

Walking in you survey the surroundings, chances are you’ll make eye contact with at least one stripper as most tend to take a quick look at whoever comes in the door. First order of business is to head to the bar. Pull out a twenty, buy a drink and request your change back as all ones. This will give enough to sit through five sets of stripping. Always leave when the twenty dollars run out. You then proceed to a spot where you can scope the action but still be far away enough that the girls won’t be thinking that you are just trying to get a free show without tipping.

It won’t be long and you’ll see all of the girls that are working. Choose one or two that seem to be the most interesting to you. Always begin at the beginning of her set. Sit in the most central seat so that you will be most noticeable to her. The whole time you watch her head making as much eye contact as she will give you. It doesn’t always happen right away, sometimes you have to give her a little time to warm up to you. By continually looking to her eyes she comes to see that you are there to see her and not her crotch.

This first set is just to introduce yourselves - to become familiar with each other and develop a level of comfort. You don’t have to say much. Most of your communication should be through your eyes, your facial expressions, and your body language. When she comes around to pick up her tip, she’ll say, “thank you” and you respond with, “you’re welcome”. Remember, the whole time you’ve only looked at her face, her head her hair. You don’t look at her body parts, you don’t even think about them. As far as you know she could be a sweet little virgin. Be innocent about it.

In between sets you go back to your little observation post and wait for her to return to the stage. Next set you are again front and center. She will know that you sat back and waited for her return as she spent time scoping the room, saw who was doing what. By now she is starting to think that maybe you like her. This set should pretty much be a repeat of the first. Yet you’ll start to see little changes in her. She will begin to direct more of her dance towards you but in a less sexual, more playful manner than with her other customers. She’ll be smiling more and giving you more eye contact. She will not yet try to converse with you, but she’s made a few comments, like, “nice smile”.

She is also getting a little nervous, in a good kind of way. Any other guy that would have directed so much attention towards her, worked their way so far into her consciousnees, would have tried to come onto her by now. She knows it’s not due to lack of self esteem as she has repeatedly felt your confidence through your eyes.

By the third set she has convinced herself that you are into her and she is happy that you are. She comes out and everything that she does revolves around a playful interaction between you and her. She’ll be talking to you, flirting. As she goes along picking up her tips she’ll be going “thank you”, “thank you”, “thank you”, “thank you”, and when she gets to you, she goes, “Thaaannk yooooouuu sweety”. Of course you will be happy and smiling.

As she ends her set and makes her way to the dressing room you leave quietly, without goodbyes. When she comes back out she searches for you, and becomes sad that such a man could have just slipped away. She thinks about you for the rest of the night. When she goes home, when she is having sex with her boyfriend, she closes her eyes and sees your eyes looking at her, the smile upon your face. She feels all tingly inside.

You keep popping up in her mind and the next day that she goes into work, and the next, she is anxious that you might return. As the days pass she resigns herself to the idea that she’ll probably never see you again. But then a week, a month passes and you return, having not at all forgotten that girl, her image having danced sweetly in your thoughts many times over.

When you walk in, immediately she recognizes you, she jumps, she skips she is so excited, but she holds back. She fears that her hopes were for naught, that she met nothing to you. But, the moment you approach her, flash her your smile, and look into her eyes as only you can, she knows you have come back for her. She takes special care to make sure that she is sitting with you when she is not busy doing something else. She tells you her life story, she tells you her dreams and aspirations, she tells you her real name, and her phone number, email address, and where she lives…. She tells you about her cat.

The next time you come in and you overhear other guys talking about her, about how they’d love to be able to have sex with her. You’ll be sitting there, a sly smile upon your face knowing that you’ve been there done that and that your going back as soon as she gets off work.
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I am glad this works for you but this generally goes against all stripper rules that most people in the community abide by. I personally do not believe your theory would work. Again if it is working for you infield great!

In fact the girls rip on guys who give them dollars while dancing, they actually call that area pervert alley
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Firstly they are a captive audience. When they are on stage, and you are sitting right up front they have to look at you. Almost every stripper, when working will talk to just about anybody that wants to talk to them. Thus, unlike women outside of a strip club, strippers will almost never refuse your attempt to approach her.
It depends on the club, but overwhelmingly that's true - so even as 'hired guns' they are very affirmative. The CRITICAL thing to remember is TO MAINTAIN COMFORTABLE EYE-CONTACT; if you seem too nervous, or self-doubting, any girl will lose interest in you instantly.

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Stripping becomes boring after awhile, real boring. It doesn’t take long and a girl has seen it all, heard it all. Men soon blur into just another guy with a dollar who will ogle her and hand her his money. Most strippers have very little respect for men, often seeing them as little more than means to an end. At the same time, though, most have this idea, this dream that one day a guy is going to come through the door and literally blow her away.
Nicely put. While the VAST majority of dancers will swear high-and-low that they'd NEVER date customers, virtually ALL of them have, and will again.



It does help a great deal NOT to be viewed as a 'customer', so actually going for private dances is out-of-the-question; but leaving tips from "Perverts' Row" while smiling happily and communicating appreciation AND APPROVAL through eye-contact is MAGICAL & HYPNOTIC to dancers. [I'm usually in Canada, where 'tipping' dancers it not normal practice - but I would make make a policy of buying myself a stack of U.S. $2 bills (inexpensive yet exotic / uncommon enough to ensure I am memorable) to give as tips to girls.

I tip waitresses with these as well, when I want to ensure they remember me

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Always begin at the beginning of her set. Sit in the most central seat so that you will be most noticeable to her. The whole time you watch her head making as much eye contact as she will give you. It doesn’t always happen right away, sometimes you have to give her a little time to warm up to you. By continually looking to her eyes she comes to see that you are there to see her and not her crotch.
I have been teaching basically exactly that approach for over a decade, and it's always been the perfect recipe for making-friends with dancers. (I sleep with virtually all my female friends, make no 'friend-zone' mistaken assumptions!)





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This first set is just to introduce yourselves - to become familiar with each other and develop a level of comfort. You don’t have to say much. Most of your communication should be through your eyes, your facial expressions, and your body language. When she comes around to pick up her tip, she’ll say, “thank you” and you respond with, “you’re welcome”. Remember, the whole time you’ve only looked at her face, her head her hair. You don’t look at her body parts, you don’t even think about them. As far as you know she could be a sweet little virgin. Be innocent about it.
This is great too, my one contrary remark is to, when in close-proximity to the girl, and she's clearly AWAITING your appreciation of her figure, give a slight, furtive-yet-appreciative glance down at her entire body, and return to her eyes with a VERY positive, enthusiastic expression - this will confirm for her that she IS attractive to you, holistically. (Dancers often have weak self-esteem regarding their looks, and to NOT look might injure her ego.)

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In between sets you go back to your little observation post and wait for her to return to the stage. Next set you are again front and center. She will know that you sat back and waited for her return as she spent time scoping the room, saw who was doing what.

By the third set she has convinced herself that you are into her and she is happy that you are. She comes out and everything that she does revolves around a playful interaction between you and her. She’ll be talking to you, flirting. As she goes along picking up her tips she’ll be going “thank you”, “thank you”, “thank you”, “thank you”, and when she gets to you, she goes, “Thaaannk yooooouuu sweety”. Of course you will be happy and smiling.

Perfect Dancers have a kind of unbridled and uninhibited enthusiasm which lends itself to really entertaining sex!



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As she ends her set and makes her way to the dressing room you leave quietly, without goodbyes. When she comes back out she searches for you, and becomes sad that such a man could have just slipped away. She thinks about you for the rest of the night. When she goes home, when she is having sex with her boyfriend, she closes her eyes and sees your eyes looking at her, the smile upon your face. She feels all tingly inside.
This is great too, but most-often I go for same-night take-aways...
When she comes over between stage-shows to ask me if I'm interested in a private dance, I tell her:
"Actually, I came here to unwind and meet some new people, and you're stunning, and so expressive and self-possessed... I'm mostly interested in just chatting and getting to know you! - I've had many dancer girlfriends, and from them I learned not to go for "dances" because I never want to be seen as 'a customer'... but you go make some money, and if things get slow, or you're bored, or you'd just like a back-massage, or to have me rub your feet, come on back over!"

It PAYS to know how to give a good foot-massage (there are countless books on reflexology and simple massage) and it's helpful to bring with you a small pouch of baby-wipes (useful for finishing up the paper-work when you have to use the restroom, so it's good to keep some handy anyway!) so that the girl's own neurosis about how her stripper-shoe-feet must smell/be all sweaty can be set aside.

Remember ultimately the most-important thing about stripper-game is that, as with all girls in a locker-room environment, THEY DISCUSS EVERY LAST DETAIL with all their girlfriends. EVERYTHING.

So make sure you do your absolutely best with them once you get them home, and from then on, your rep will reduce your workload in that club (or any club where she ends up) by 90%. Word-of-mouth is the BEST promotion!

Thanks for writing this, Potato!

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In fact the girls rip on guys who give them dollars while dancing, they actually call that area pervert alley
I’m in Portland, which boasts more strip clubs per capita than any place on earth. Typically the strip clubs are more like neighborhood bars with a stage. Most of a girl's income comes from those dollars people throw up there while they are dancing.

The term the girls use for that area is their rack. Their biggest gripe is those guys that sit at tables and watch them but never tip. If the place is busy they will be asked to leave. Typically not to give her at least a few dollars will guarantee that she will not like you.
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I’m in Portland, which boasts more strip clubs per capita than any place on earth. Typically the strip clubs are more like neighborhood bars with a stage. Most of a girl's income comes from those dollars people throw up there while they are dancing.

The term the girls use for that area is their rack. Their biggest gripe is those guys that sit at tables and watch them but never tip. If the place is busy they will be asked to leave. Typically not to give her at least a few dollars will guarantee that she will not like you.
Like I said if it works for you that's awesome man!
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ya having worked in a strip club for almost a year, I can't say that using this as a consistent strategy would work well.

you made some good points but it seems that your strategy rely on making strong eye contact with the girl and being there to tip them when they're on stage.

if you're a good looking guy or if there's just attraction between the two of you i can see this working sometime, but i don't really see the difference in your strategy and what every other guy at the strip club does. (stare at the girl on stage and tip her when she goes up)

the fact that you're not blatantly staring at her tits isn't that big of a deal. in fact many men go to strip clubs just because they are lonely and need somebody to talk to.

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This is great too, my one contrary remark is to, when in close-proximity to the girl, and she's clearly AWAITING your appreciation of her figure, give a slight, furtive-yet-appreciative glance down at her entire body, and return to her eyes with a VERY positive, enthusiastic expression - this will confirm for her that she IS attractive to you, holistically. (Dancers often have weak self-esteem regarding their looks, and to NOT look might injure her ego.)
I see this a little differently. If a girl is obviously presenting her body to me, I’ll look in appreciation, but for the most part, if our eyes are locked, there is a great deal of non-verbal communication that is going on. She knows if I like her or not. One of my girls, who’s been a lover ever so often for about three years now, recently I told her that when I’ve gone to see her at work that I’ve never looked, down there. She told me that she’s never noticed. My point of view is that I’m there to see the girl, not to look at naked chicks.

Actually I think women, in general, will do some of the nastiest things while looking you straight in the eye, with no pretension to innocence. To see how you'll react.

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When she comes over between stage-shows to ask me if I'm interested in a private dance, I tell her:
"Actually, I came here to unwind and meet some new people, and you're stunning, and so expressive and self-possessed... I'm mostly interested in just chatting and getting to know you! - I've had many dancer girlfriends, and from them I learned not to go for "dances" because I never want to be seen as 'a customer'... but you go make some money, and if things get slow, or you're bored, or you'd just like a back-massage, or to have me rub your feet, come on back over!"
I see asking for private dances as a sh!t test. I always respond with. “No thank you.” The only private dances I’ve gotten were complementary. This one girl, who was obviously interested in me, kept asking. After the third or forth time she told me that it wasn’t for me, that it was for her, that she needed it. At no cost to me she proceeded to cross a few lines. Eventually we did become lovers. Shortly after, other girls, ones who knew I had a reputation of never doing private dances, came up to me asking what it was that she did to convince me, I just told them that she made me an offer I couldn’t refuse. She told them that she was just that good.

I also had a long term girlfriend who would take me back for private dances ever so often. I always got the impression that her intention was to demonstrate to me that what she was doing in those private dances was nothing that I would object to. She seemed to always make it clear to the other dancers that there was no money being exchanged between her and me.

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Remember ultimately the most-important thing about stripper-game is that, as with all girls in a locker-room environment, THEY DISCUSS EVERY LAST DETAIL with all their girlfriends. EVERYTHING.

So make sure you do your absolutely best with them once you get them home, and from then on, your rep will reduce your workload in that club (or any club where she ends up) by 90%. Word-of-mouth is the BEST promotion!
They surely do talk. They compare notes and they compete. They also have rules, courtesies. They don’t try to steal a customer from another girl, they respect established relationships. Most strippers have regulars, often older, lonely men. At that point in their lives, she’s probably the only regular female interaction that they have. These guys are the bread and butter of many of the girls’ income. Often these guys will give the girl hundreds of dollars, month after month for years. It is strictly taboo to try to steal away one of these guys. They also tend to respect each other’s love interests.

As in everything in life, your reputation can often make or break you.


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if you're a good looking guy or if there's just attraction between the two of you i can see this working sometime, but i don't really see the difference in your strategy and what every other guy at the strip club does. (stare at the girl on stage and tip her when she goes up)
That is exactly the point, like I stated in the OP, “…this dream that one day a guy is going to come through the door and literally blow her away.” Strippers, like most women, have a type of man that they are most attracted to. It seems that those guys who are free spirits, who make their living by creative outbursts, such as musicians and artists, people who don’t have regular jobs, are most appealing to strippers. You don’t have to tell them, they can see it in you. Generally, strippers are thought of as just interested in men’s money. However, many would completely ignore a business man with pockets full of money if a starving artist with the right kind of look walked into the room. A lot of times there is a whole lot going on that not everybody seems to see. There are a lot of subtleties.

There is this one place that I like to go to where they have these high tables with long tablecloths and bar stools. With certain girls, if you’re sitting close enough and you turn to face each other and your legs mesh like teeth on gears so that one of her legs is between yours and one of your legs between hers, it makes for interesting conversations. Above the table you can be carrying on in a normal conversation. But below the table your legs are rubbing up against each other. Casual observers don't see what is turning you both on.

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the fact that you're not blatantly staring at her tits isn't that big of a deal. in fact many men go to strip clubs just because they are lonely and need somebody to talk to.
What it is, is that when you get good eye contact going with the girl and you have established communication between your eyes and body language, if you’re making love with her with your eyes and she’s getting naked, it makes some of them even squirm. It is playing with her emotions.
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hey man if it works for you, that's awesome. I would love to see a LR about this tactic and how exactly you made it work.
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