Mall Hired Guns?

[DJD]

Hey guys, just getting into the game but I have a pivotal question...

Lets say you're sarging a girl that works at a store in the mall. It would seem that the perfect opener would be to pretend that your interested in lets say a pair of shoes. You talk with her, lead the conversation to something non shoe related and continue sarging.

However, in my experience it seems like I'm setting the wrong frame by doing that. I am entering her world in the frame of a customer, a non sexual entity under the veil of professionalism.

I have tried doing an 'enviornment destroyer', trying to separate her from the mentality of her job by saying things such as "hey did you check out that XYXY concert last night?" regardless of her response, her frame has shifted away from work but I still get mixed results.

Has anyone had any experience with this? Am I correct in my assumptions that it is the completely wrong frame to sarge off of, or am I just not properly transitioning.

[_Hollywood_]

I work at a store in the mall and I'm literally the ONLY guy who works there. I've seen the girls I work with get hit on millions of times and it NEVER works. They're just not really open to it. Then they come into the back room and make fun of the guy to me hahaha.

I dunno, I think they're mostly just focused on working and don't often open up to other things.

If you really wanna get the girls who work in the stores, work there too. It's like fishing with dynamite. The customers too, ohhh man like cutting butter with a hot knife hahah.

[DJD]

Yeah, I was sort of afraid of that. That's a good insight. Thanks!

[Pana9]

Originally Posted by _Hollywood_

I work at a store in the mall and I'm literally the ONLY guy who works there. I've seen the girls I work with get hit on millions of times and it NEVER works. They're just not really open to it. Then they come into the back room and make fun of the guy to me hahaha.

I dunno, I think they're mostly just focused on working and don't often open up to other things.

If you really wanna get the girls who work in the stores, work there too. It's like fishing with dynamite. The customers too, ohhh man like cutting butter with a hot knife hahah.

lol good post

I think the best way to approach a HB who works in a clothing or shoe department would be to ignore her at first when you walk in. Act like she doesnt exist. Then walk around the store for a few mins looking at clothes, go over to her section and she'll prolly greet you

Ask, "Hey I need a female opinion, would I look good in this shirt?"

Then I dunno

[DJD]

Originally Posted by Pana9

lol good post

I think the best way to approach a HB who works in a clothing or shoe department would be to ignore her at first when you walk in. Act like she doesnt exist. Then walk around the store for a few mins looking at clothes, go over to her section and she'll prolly greet you

Ask, "Hey I need a female opinion, would I look good in this shirt?"

Then I dunno

haha exactly, thats where I fall in to a trap. I can open smoothly 100% of the time, but the frame never leaves "me buying this shirt"

[clawzorz]

Heres my thoughts on this. The advantage of a store situation, is that the person your talking to HAS to listen to you no matter what. She cant back turn, cant easily ignore you etc. You need to run solid attraction game right off the bat. In fact, I would say don't even bother talking about what you want to buy. Instead, immediately say something interesting or funny. Make her laugh or smile, then throw a cold read on her or something like that.

About what the guy above says about mall employees not being "open", don't let that stop you either. I bet you 99% of the guys approaching those girls have little or no game and are boring. You can talk, and they have to listen. After that if you have game "attraction isn't a choice". I have gotten a little attraction from cashiers many times. The disadvantage of employees (especially in a mall), is you can't move them around or instant date. At most, you can walk out with a phone number. So I say just have fun with them. But if you approach other people in the mall, theres TONS of instant date possibilities.

Day game in the mall is a great idea, after all Sinn got his start talking to people at the mall.

Learn more on your day game

[DJD]

great insight. i've been running some thoughts on this, and i'm going to give a couple things a try. ill post back on the results of this.

but like you said, they have to listen to me. so option A is they try to sell me something, or option B they smile and nod until I leave or I generate attraction. I think thats where the sticking point was. Bypass option A all together, and go straight for B. makes the game piece together better.

Ideally, this would seem like an adequate spot for patterns, and if one can achieve a shock and awe effect. Chances are for option B, they get a ton of no game guys like you said. Shock em. Use the fact that they are monogamously there day after day to your advantage.

So I've got an idea. This could take a couple repetitions to sink in, but its simply anchoring my presence to a feeling of spontaneity. I frequent the same mall alot, and I see similar workers there. For an example my target works in the hypothetical shoe store. I walk in for the first time and dont introduce myself or anything. I run some material/pattern that jolts her out of her routine and makes her day. Some material that shocks her enough to go tell her friends after work what some guy said to her. It's gotta make her day. Then, whenever I happen to be passing by that store again (space the visits out enough to make her anticipate it, on different days), drop in and run another routine/pattern. Lather rinse repeat to reach A2. No introduction, don't even ask for her name. My guess is that she will internalize the anticipation of hearing my 'day makers'. Once A2 is reached, game on. #close, then meet after work. Hell, meeting in the mall at the starbucks would be an ideal C1 location. I could meet her after work then bounce once comfort is developed.

Critique of my theory anyone? I plan on field testing this, so look forward to getting a report in the future.

[ibrox]

Originally Posted by _Hollywood_

I work at a store in the mall and I'm literally the ONLY guy who works there. I've seen the girls I work with get hit on millions of times and it NEVER works. They're just not really open to it. Then they come into the back room and make fun of the guy to me hahaha.

I dunno, I think they're mostly just focused on working and don't often open up to other things.

If you really wanna get the girls who work in the stores, work there too. It's like fishing with dynamite. The customers too, ohhh man like cutting butter with a hot knife hahah.

Hahaha...exactly, except I'd rather up the ante by saying that flirting with customers is playing with fire as the cliche goes...

In any event...I must say that these guys get tooled by the girls in the back room is plain and simple..they got no game. In fact, I'd be willing to bet the rejection rate is MUCH higher in a HG situation because you guys who can't even open enter into the equation..which means more people with no game.

Words of caution: You need to be patient with HGs to succeed. Another reason of high failure rate is because many guys rush getting that date, phone #, whatever. I know this goes against the main rules of pick-up, but you have to wait for a few meetings before you go for the number, you dont want to give the girl the impression that you went in to pick her up.

[clawzorz]

Why do you guys keep calling these chicks "hired guns"?? That is a term mystery (or whoever), came up with to describe women who are paid to be beautiful. You guys are calling any female employee that, even if their job is to sweep a floor. A ton of girls I see working at the mall, are just decent looking average girls. Yes, some are beautiful, but "hired guns" is just blowing it out of proportion.

Quite honestly, I have seen many cases where I have been in a store, and a girl lit up, just because I made any small talk with her at all. Then I applied just a small flirtation and had attraction. If you are in the proper state it doesn't take much, really! Also, its sooo not necessary to try to apply a full blown "mystery method" to these situations. Just be in state, have good tonality, smile, be interesting and talkative and thats all you need most of the time. Don't even go in with the goal to "pick up", instead just go with the goal to enjoy yourself, and talk to someone for 5 minutes with no expectations.

[MJX]

Originally Posted by clawzorz

Why do you guys keep calling these chicks "hired guns"?? That is a term mystery (or whoever), came up with to describe women who are paid to be beautiful. You guys are calling any female employee that, even if their job is to sweep a floor. A ton of girls I see working at the mall, are just decent looking average girls. Yes, some are beautiful, but "hired guns" is just blowing it out of proportion.

Quite honestly, I have seen many cases where I have been in a store, and a girl lit up, just because I made any small talk with her at all. Then I applied just a small flirtation and had attraction. If you are in the proper state it doesn't take much, really! Also, its sooo not necessary to try to apply a full blown "mystery method" to these situations. Just be in state, have good tonality, smile, be interesting and talkative and thats all you need most of the time. Don't even go in with the goal to "pick up", instead just go with the goal to enjoy yourself, and talk to someone for 5 minutes with no expectations.

hmm interesting i like the analogy, but let me ask you this. if you dont believe very much in the mystery method why are you on the forum? im not judging you but could you explain how you use the mystery method "full blown"...only in night clubs? or just not much at all?