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Old 08-08-2008, 11:02 PM
Bludbath Bludbath is offline  - Male
 
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Default How do you display value

Are we supposed to go out and sarge men like we do girl without the sexuality?

Catch my personaly and situation and give me some tips plz.
I'm 20 years old. going back to school for my second year as a Sophomore. My goal. Make big friends in high places, extend my social network to IMMENSE levels.. I already have a decent but low substance relationship with a 26 yo building director in my old dorm hall. and a couple sorority sisters. Even one alumni sister that wants to date me.
My question is. how do I strengthen these relationships to the point where I can make better friends with them, and make their friends my friends.
I have no car, little money, and not too many other resources.

I DO however have a VERY tight relationship with just about 3/4 of the people in my old dorm hall. We all became a very tight knit group because we were the "Freshman" and lived in the Trashiest shittiest dorm on campus. Our Rooms absoloutely sucked ass, so we always hung out in the lobby area. All hours of the day and night we were hanging out. it could be 3-5 am in the morning and we'd all be having a huge 30 man debate about Kobe bryant vs Lebraun James. till 7am when we all goto breakfast.

HOW do I make those friends closer to me, how do I convey that I have value to them?
How do I build connections and friendships with any of the 6 club owners nearby our campus.
We have about 4 IMMENSELY popular entertainment groups(hip hop music, clubs owners, Greek life, etc.)
Its so much potential to build CRAZY amounts of status on and around our campus. HOW HOW HOW, do I meet and display value and worthiness and build relationships with these people that are at the top. I imagine they didnt get to the successful places that they are, being oblivious to the fact that some people are gunna wanna get a piece of THEIR pie.

I dont want to come off as a moocher or freeloader, or "Dick Riding"(what we call it when someone keeps riding your back to hang out with you or complimenting you about your achievements)

I am a student, a broke one. So as you could imagine, I cant afford a seminar or bootcamp. Just some guidelines that I could put into practice this coming semester would GREATLY help. I will be making attempts regardless, but I dont want to be walking toward a dead end all year...

PLZ help!
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Old 08-09-2008, 11:36 PM
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Ask yourself what sort of value you can provide. From what you've posted, these things jump out at me:

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I DO however have a VERY tight relationship with...a very tight knit group..
If this "tight-knit group" will still be tight (or important portions of it) in your sophomore year, you have two value points: you are valuable to the group for your ability to bring new people into it, and you are valuable to outsiders because of your access to the group. Trade on that value.

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I dont want to come off as a moocher or freeloader, or "Dick Riding"(what we call it when someone keeps riding your back to hang out with you or complimenting you about your achievements)
If you legitimately add to guys' lives, you will never come off this way. Demonstrate (but do not give) value to them, wait for an IOI, give a compliance test, then reward.

Example: Through your amazing cajones, you've struck up a friendship with a bunch of 5's (there's no such thing as an HB5) in one of your classes. Your buddies want to throw a party, and they want to have girls there.

There's a right way and a wrong way to be the middleman here.

WRONG:

PUA: Hey, I'll bring girls.
BUDS: OK.

RIGHT:
PUA: I know some girls that might come (DHV)...just how good will this party be, anyway? (Compliance test)
BUDS: It'll be awesome! We'll turn the patio into a club, and Paul has DJ equipment, etc., etc..
PUA: I'll see what I can do.

WRONG:
PUA: Hey, there's a party tonight, you're invited.
5's: OK.

RIGHT:

PUA:I'm way excited, my friends are throwing a party tonight(DHV) (note how this leaves the question of the girls' invited status up in the air; if the PUA were throwing the party, then he might be seen as rude for mentioning the party to the uninvited)
5's: Oh, wow!
PUA: Can you bring friends? (Compliance test)
5's: Yeah! (pass the test/IOI)
PUA: OK, you're invited.

OR

PUA: I'm way excited, my friends are throwing a party tonight.
5's: (uninterested response)
PUA: It's gonna be great!
5's: (uninterested response)
PUA: *doesn't say anything*
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Old 08-11-2008, 01:51 PM
Bludbath Bludbath is offline  - Male
 
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So from what I understand. Not coming off as needy is simple as qualifying/compliance. in combination with reading some IoI's before throwing out invites... Sounds simple enough.
Thanks for the advice.. I almost forgot that I was probably gunna meet a buncha new girls and "prey" moving in as freshman, and they prolly gunna be lookin to hang out their first night on campus. Thats almost too easy. Then I gain prestige in my circle for bringing in hot girls(always a super DHV in my circle)
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Old 08-12-2008, 02:49 PM
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1. Never, Never be needy. If ppl dont wanna do a thing they wont do it even if u ask em 10 times. And if they do it jst to do u a favour thats jst ruining relationship.

2. Value, huge topic. For now jst see urself, u like to meet new ppl, and guess what so does everybody else. Try to introduce different groups of friends in parties (hopefully not only buddies). Treat ur friends well. And for god's sake befriend HBs. Ull be jst astonished to see how many guy/girl friends u can get jst because ur hanging out (friends) with HBs/value ppl in campus.
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Old 08-13-2008, 03:28 PM
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Another big question I had.
I have indirect relationships with club owners(ie friends friends) in my extended network.
Same with entertainment group members and owners, people who throw huge parties.

How do you introduce, and get to know strangers that are men, that have status and such. I hear what you're saying as far as people I already know and such.
I need to know how to get my friends to make me cool with these types of people. because in my extended network, there is Colossal value. I mean I'm friends with the hottest women in my Grad class. Their friends are also super hott.
The thing is, we all for the most part JUST talk and hang out in the lobbies, we never go out anywhere or do anything. they parties with her friends and goes out with them. They come to me for advice and shit and to tell all their personal business.
(I've adopted this wise sage type of image among my friends, despite my aloof and goofy confident personality)

I put a rather decent group of friends of mine at the top of my priority list. They're heavily into the music industry and making lyrics and beats for hip hop artists. They are well known on campus, and are at most of the best parties. They invite me sometimes, but my primary concern is making my mark as someone who would fit in and quickly take a leader position in the hierarchy of their group.

I have the smarts, the thoughtfulness and awareness. I just need the tools.
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