Need help disarming the pack...any advice? - The Attraction Forums

Bronco · #1 (**permalink**) 10-21-2007, 09:55 PM

Ok guys, heres the situation...

I am interested in a girl that is part of a 4 girl group. I have done a decent job of disarming the friends somewhat, however these girls have a shield wall up that would make the 300 Spartans eyes teary with pride! The girl that I have mentioned I have already kiss closed, in fact, we have already slept together (not sex, but sleep) and some things have happened but she is shy so we're taking things slower than usual. I am cool with that. What I am NOT cool with is her friends. She has 2 friends that will literally barge into the room and kill the mood, then leave. I, luckily, have enlisted the aid of my two roommates as wings. They do their best, but sometimes there is just no getting away from it. They go EVERYWHERE together. To give you guys an example...

One of the girls is interested in my one roommate and she was staying with him for the night. One of the other girls opened the door to his room, squealed her friend's name...and left again. I have NO idea what is going on with these girls! I have never encountered anything like it before.

To give you guys some info...

2 of them have boyfriends (1 of which is giving one of my wings a lot of IOI's and attention! The other one is actually in my corner as far as getting my girl)

2 of them are single (1 is my target and I feel things are going well with. The other is VERY interested in my other wing)

I am literally just unaware of what to do next. I do not really understand why the others feel the need to leave a set they are in, go crap on someone elses game and then go back to their original conversation like nothing happened.

I know the obvious tactic should be to divide and conquer. This is almost impossible to do though because they watch out for each other like its a full-time job.

I know this is kind of long, but I wanted to give you guys as much info as possible about the situation. Any advice or info would be MOST welcome.

Game on

-Bronco-

meanmrgrither · #2 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 12:14 PM

What are the friend's ranks?

HB's higher or lower than target? (I am going to assume lower)

If one of them falls below a 4. Well, let's see...
You need to win the DUFF. (designated ugly fat friend)
Now, this isn't exactly a unique situation, but I do recommend bonding with the DUFF, if there is one. She is probably the general in this anti-cock campaign. You must bond with her, I mean like "bff" but you can't be gaming her.

You need to Friend her HARD. I mean super hard. To the point where her loyalty to you outweighs it to her friend, and nothing generates a girl-friend's (see the hyphen?) loyalty like vulnerability, and sweetness and generally AFC shit. Not poems, or lines, but like niceness, gentlemanliness, a birthday gift, hell have a hand in throwing her some party or something. You have to completely disappear from the "dude" radar to her.

Do you feel you are off the "dude" radar? If so, then you have to get to the root of this anti-cock campaign. Is the DUFF just not getting laid? OR have they made some pact? Does your target do the same thing for the others?

Get to the source of this and hit back. I haven't been in this situation, but I am curious as hell.

Bronco · #3 (**permalink**) 10-25-2007, 01:24 PM

Grither,

My friend, these girls are NUTS. Yes they DO CB each-other HARD. Commander Abstinence herself as well as her 2 Lieutenants CB and One-hander are both lower than target. Each by about 2-3 full points. I would rank one at a sub-6 and the other two as a 6 and a 7 with target HB being about an 8.5, 9 if she wants to look the part.

I am most assuredly still on the dudedar and so am a threat. I have thought that I didn't disarm the friends enough but they go back 5 years with each other and so they shield-wall each other every chance they get.

More insight into the enemy. Commander Abstinence is in a "serious" relationship with a boyfriend of 2 years although now it is long-distance as he is back home and she is here. I feel that since she isn't getting laid, maybe she doesn't want others to either.

I feel that the solution is to befriend the friends and work and work and work on them as water will erode stone to powder until they cave and let their guard down...I just dont really think its worth it though. She is hot as hell and I would love to start something up with her, but I dont feel like working her friends for 2 years for that to happen.

I think that I am going to continue the game with other targets and put this on the back burner for now. If I have gamed properly then after introducing a jealousy thread or two she will chase me.

Any further input/discussion welcome. And thank you Grither for the sound advice and reaffirmation of my thoughts on this.

Game On

-Bronco-

meanmrgrither · #4 (**permalink**) 10-25-2007, 02:42 PM

I believe Axe deodorant called this "the mother hen." Yeah, go game other chicks. Do not develop one-itis. It will only solidfy you as "creepy"

You may want to try and work on comfort with your target, btw. She should want to be alone with you and ignore her friends. Read magic bullets and use some advanced sh!t in there.

As for Commander Abstinence. Valentine's day is the Kiss O' Death for long distance relationships. I remember at my college, the RA's received a "social calander" which basically explained what was generally to happen, and there were very specific times people broke up. Find a copy of this or something like that, or just use what you know through living.

Brainstorming Strategies and options

Camouflage: Being totally gay. I'm serious, ugly chicks are usually.. uhm.. FH (it's a two word that rhymes with bag.) You may try to be a handfull of sunshine and sweetness to her. If she sees you as "another girl" you may bypass her radar. Talk about clothes you like, how cool she is. How hard it must be to be in a LDRelationship. Have those intense moments with her of friendship where you "open up" (don't really.) I think being vulnerable might be a good call here. If you do this poorly you will be LJBF'd because target sees "not a man."
Dominate: AMOG the chicks. a frikkin hard sell depending on who you are and how you can lose this one. AMOG the girls. They are WOMEN for christ sakes, you are a MAN. You are sociobiologically dominant and should appear so. If you are truly "the man" and the Alpha, no woman except your mate should tell you what to do. And even then, your mate just advises you. You may need to become the alpha in this group. Show leader characteristics, and date the whole group, basically. Take 'em all to your plans, make them appear socially as your groupies rather than the shield to your target. A gamble, since, if applied incorrectly, can send you flying into "enemy dude zone." Not the violent leader, but be the smart charismatic leader. Come up with amazing plans, and take care of ALL of them. Treat them like your pack and not "the friends of my target." If you have a big social circle, get them drawn in. Do NOT let them become tighter though because of the strangers about, make sure they see you as their leader and guide through this. Be Alpha.
Evade: Working the one on your side with the BF: You will need to use that. NEED to. She has a boyfriend, get him in there as ammo for the case "sex is awesome."
If you have him around, and you guys do double dates and shite, the CB monsters may not be able to come along.
So, make friends with him. Become his Bro. And invite them on a double date. An AFC move, for certain, but it gets rid of the others.
Diplomacy: Just call her on it, in private This is brainstorming, these all are so feel free to see errors in these. Just call her on it. Hang out, and one day say "can I talk with you?" And basically be like "Do you think I'm a crap dude?" and continue pushing her until she basically either A. tells you she thinks you have ulterior motives or B. Realizes she's being nuts and unfair. Have sympathy for her LDRelation and say "I know it's hard being far away, but you can't treat people this way. I like [target] and I am not trying to hurt her. Do you think if I was just trying to game her I would be here talking to you? I would have spent all this time ...blah blah blah, You're being unfair, and I have no idea why. (or even, confront the fact her bf is so far away." You need to be sensitive and show social intuition. She is the enemy general here and you are the Ambassador from Ibangedya, talk it out with her. I did this once when the DUFF C-blocked me, and she backed up, and THAT chick had a bf (and i had no game at that point, but that's neither here nor there) You run the risk of her telling [target] but you also may get her a moment at self introspection to realize how crap she is. Game isn't always relevant, this MIGHT be one of those cases. Your raw debate/diplomacy skills are going to carry the day on this one. If she is confident you're a stupid a-hole, ask why. Get to the root of it. And reiterate- you are a good guy
Storm: Everyone gets laid. You have a wing in with Commander A? Have him close the deal, have all the wings, close their deals. Destroying the entire pact at once. This will take a general's coordination and planning, and bro, I got no ideas for that, you know your scene better than I do. But have them all close the deal. Don't have them ruin these chicks' lives, because that will get you out faster than you got in. But if your wings are up for it, advise them an f-close wouldn't hurt your case. Make it like a full assault on Omaha, in such quick succession that no one knows what is going on. Don't do this unless your wings are willing to be gentlemen, as in if they are gonna hit it and quit it, and leave the girls a mess, DON'T do it. This will only reinforce the Pact, and the chicks will have been right to have it. If your wings are generally willing to date the chicks, and actually kind of like them, have it all coincide, that is what I mean. I do not want to hear how these guys crushed these hearts, and how awesome it was to get laid and thanks for my bomb advice. If you take this route, you are wildly committed to not being a douche bag Always leave them better than you found them!.

[SERMON]
Remember, I feel at this point, you've pretty much decided you are gonna respect their pact for what it was -- a way to not get screwed over by men. Besides, you don't want to embitter this chick to sex. You seem like a stand-up guy, so I won't harp on this. Don't be the douchebag you hated in highschool who screwed and dropped the girl you loved. I, personally, got into the game so that when they fell for my asshole ways, they got a great and tender guy who they normally would never have dated.
[/SERMON]

So, assuming you just get way from them physically...

Possible "Pass Interference" that ruins your game:

Cell phones with text messaging are the damn enemy, they will text her with gay shite to ask her to come home immediately afterwards. you will need to neutralize this. If you're fit, a swimming date could work, something at night, maybe with a hot tub. Something private and cool. That's just the first idea off the top of my head. Try other stuff which can lead to make outs where the cell phone is far away.
She's tired and wants to go back to her place? Tough crap, avoid that because it's Resistance, use what magic bullets teaches you. If she goes back, she KNOWS what will happen. She knows you will be CB'ed. She is rejecting you. work the comfort phase with attraction, qual, and up the push-pull kino.
She wants to go back to her place for any reason? Don't let it happen, avoid/blur/distract- treat it as LMR, you'll have to be ninja for this. She knows what will happen, she HAS to.

Now, Correct me, but this is a college situation, yea or nay? I am envision a college, and so am playing it like it's THAT game.

Also note, don't take ANY of my advice w/o considering who you are and how you want to handle this. This is one of those situations which may be out of the scope of normal game, it might be outright war.

You can do this one, Bronco-

Bronco · #5 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 04:01 PM

Grither,

Once again, you come through with words of wisdom and sound advice. I will again try to enlighten more as to the situation...

Yes! You are correct in assuming that this is the college situation.

Yes! I am a stand-up guy. I believe that at its core MM is intended for guys to get the chance to get the girl, and keep the girl. It isn't about HOW MANY you can get, but HOW WELL you can maintain. At least those are my thoughts on it. Those that are just after the lay, well, go swear allegiance to speed seduction.

I feel that I should continue gaming because I dont know that I WILL EVER have such an opportunity to work through such resistance again...ever. So, I will remain vigilant.

As for the wings...

One of them is a stand-up guy and has actually developed a thing for LT. CB...awww, good for them! They officially have the Bronco-blessing.

The other one would be like leading a lamb to the slaughter. He would f-close. Maintain an open-relationship for 2 weeks, get bored and move on. I've seen it happen, its how he works. I think that it may be time to order wingman #2 to stand down.

So, again at another cross-roads. I think that the true key to victory here will be to plan to fight a war on two fronts. Although, history has proven time and again that a war fought on both sides will fail, that is what must be done. I hereby intend to implement a new strategy of gaming the pack. I do like your thoughts on becoming the AMOG of the group. I had already DHV'd and obtained a high-status. To the point that I believed that I had the pack's approval and blessing, apparently not. This must be done. This is a necessity to cripple the defense. I am confident that my one wing has broken the line on one side, the first good news since this campaign began. I will not throw Commander Abstinence to the dogs because when things go sour then I will have nothing but renewed contempt and animosity from her. This is counterproductive and if I do become AMOG of this group as well, then I will be expected to look after the pack. This will mean long conversations about Wingman #1 and a very sad girl...which is never a good thing. Plus, I am not an ass and nothing looks like a bigger DLV than a bad rep. Especially on a university campus...they aren't big enough that you dont get a rep for pulling that kind of crap!

New battle plan is as follows :

1) Back off all interest until the group is totally disarmed.
2) Establish AMOG status and assure the pack of safety and goodwill.
3) Introduce jealousy threads to the plotline to DHV to a new level.
4) Storm the beaches

Thank you once again for all the advice and suggestion Grither. You truly know you MM. I think that anyone who is in a similar situation could benefit from studying this thread, or continuing to post to further the discussion.

Game On

-Bronco-

meanmrgrither · #6 (**permalink**) 10-26-2007, 04:18 PM

Dude, thinking about it is easy, I have time, and don't have to worry about anxiety. It's doing it in the field that's the hard part. The Hot Seat is waaaaaaaayyy different than the Command Center. But thanks for the compliment.

Bronco · #7 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 08:07 AM

Grither,

Word man. I still appreciate your advice nonetheless. Where would the Special Forces be without their intel? Up a friggin creek to say the least! As for the situation I have mentioned that I backed off from them. The only new thing is that now they are trying to get ahold of me! Now they want to come over and hang out...the problem is that in the meantime I have been opening sets and have met other girls! So, perhaps the jealousy thread has worked too well...now, i'm not even really interested in her anymore. The funny thing is that one of my wings has asked my "permission" to pursue her...lol. I told him to knock himself out, but be ready for some headaches! Take care my friend.

Game On

-Bronco-