Premises of Social Circle Club Game

[BradP]

1st Premise: Girls are trying not to go home with a "random guy."

Girls in clubs are subjected to massive amounts of stimulation. They have people pumping their buying temperature in 15 different ways the whole time. They want to fuck SOMEBODY. But there are huge adverse effects to fucking a "random guy." Loss of social proof, rumors about being a slut, bringing down the value of her girl-team...and that's just the beginning.

So they normally try to avoid fucking the "random guy" as it is considered poor form. They are bitching about it all the time-
"This RANDOM GUY just hit on me, it was so creepy."

"what's with all these RANDOM GUYS grinding up against me on the dance floor?"

Is there SOME appeal to fucking a random guy? well yeah, women have secret fantasies about doing a random guy behind a dumpster in the parking lot. These are the kinds of fantasies they try to keep inside and never let it happen in real life. Can you get laid as a random guy? Yes, but it is fucking hard! I know, I've fucked plenty of random girls behind dumpters in parking lots. It aint easy. It's like swimming uphill. Fucking a random person you just met is more of a male fantasy than a female fantasy.

I did months and months of club game and got into the innermost circles of the club business, and here's what I found. These club girls will normally walk around all night getting their buying temp pumped like crazy...then they usually fuck a guy from their social circle. Players can rarely get past the random guy stigma, the CBs, the logistics, etc. Sometimes a really good looking buff guy can get past it, usually the average ASFer can't.

There is FAR less social danger in fucking a guy who is a known member of her peer group. She can leave in a cab with him and people won't even think they fucked, cause everyone is already friends. It can be kept secret. Or it can be a known thing and it's no big deal. I once fucked 6 girls in the same social circle and no one got mad about it, cause I was an accepted member of the group, and in that group everyone was fucking eachother.

Premise #2: You must enter peer groups from the top

There's no working your way up in club game. If you come in as a nobody off the street, there's not much room to move up. you have to make the rigght connections quickly, before anyone even notices what's going on.

Premise #3- know the right people
It's not the bartender. it's not the door guy. Maybe in bar game it's good to know the bartender, but it doesn't help much in clubs. This is a myth that if you kkow the door guy you're golden. BS. All he can do is get you in free. That's almost worthless in terms of getting laid. I've heard this doorman thing quite a few times, and now whenever I hear it it's just a red flag that tells me this person probably doesn't actually know much about pulling from clubs and he's just repeating what he heard.

Premise 4: The club is not cooler than you.

The way they set this stuff up, it's supposed to make you feel inferior so you will dump tons of cash trying to get in, fit in, pay for tables, etc.

The reality is that the clubs need you more than you need them. You just have to know how to implement this principle. It starts with not assuming that the club is cooler than you are.

Premise 5: You don't need 1000 cold approaches in club game.

That's unlikely to get you laid by the hottest girls. That's old school ASF doctrine from before we had the advanced technology we have today and it gets misinterpreted often.

1000 cold approaches is for newbies. It should be done in daytime or bar game, or maybe the occasional night of club game. The purpose of the 1000 approaches is to purge you of social anxiety and teach you basic social skills. Even successful cold approaching in clubs most often results in flaky phone numbers and sloppy drunken make outs.

Plenty of people have failed with this one so don't feel bad. These australian guys emailed me a few months back that they wanted me to fly in and train them because they had literally cold approached EVERY SINGLE WOMAN in their area in clubs and not gotten laid once. The problem here is that these guys were not making adjustments to their process. They were just doing the same thing over and over hoping to get a different results. To me that's nuts and i would never do it. I would never do ANTYHING 1000 times and not succeed. You have to adjust. I was adjusting this cold approach strategy before I even got to 100 cold approaches in clubs.

I've gotten laid from clubs on cold approaches and I could come on here and teach you that, but it's just a huge uphill battle and you should do it the easier way. My game was ON FIRE getting laid on cold approaches and I also employ some insanely extreme tactics (pheromone kid stuff). The average ASFer is not going to be able to duplicate that level of game, and may be turned off by such extreme tactics.

Social circle game provided a constant flow of 9s and 10s. Models, go-go dancers. etc. After a few weeks of set-up time with the social circle, there was very little gaming needed to pull these girls.

[Rellik]

interesting post. sounds like you've had a lot of fun.

so wait, I always assumed friends are off limits and I shouldn't bother... u're telling me I can fuck girls I've known for half a year if everyone goes out and the target girl gets her buying temp pumped?

the group knows each other and the rumors would go fast if anyone does anything, and there are still more desirable guys i know in the group...

[Jremi]

In my experience, doing ANYTHING with a girl in your circle of friends can really cause rifts in the whole group. Feelings are bound to come up if you do it more then once, sometimes even once. There's a strong emotional connection from the beginning and then creating that physical connection makes things serious. Maybe it's just my circle of friends, but if you care about friendship proceed with caution, I lost one of my closest friends because of that type of thing, and we'd be fine if we hadn't acted on drunken horniness one night.

[BradP]

I'm talking about club girls. They're a different breed. I'm not suggesting you do this with your old friends from high school. But yes, girls who you know from clubs, as they go around getting BT pumped, they're fair game for sure. It's pretty easy to bag them a lot of times.

[Rellik]

i think this thread deserves more attention but whats the difference between regular game with cold approaches (take generic MM or style) vs social circle game?

[AlaskaDan]

club girls need a lot more negging, teasing, push-pull, false time constraints, social proff etc. to have any chance. YOu can never show any kind of needyness with them unless they have real low self esteem. Girls in your social circle you want to be nice to, and just be open relaxed and fun. The game you use in club girls vrs social circle girls is drastically differemt....

[Phillippe]

insightful post BradP. always enjoy your posts, keep them coming!

[BradP]

Pretty good synopsis DanAlaska.

I can't comment too much on comparing this to MM, because I've never studied MM, so I can't say whether this is better or worse or how it's different.

But to address this more in terms of cold approach in general (all styles, not just MM) vs. social circle game-

When you do social circle game, you don't have the "random guy" stigma, so that makes it easier from the get go. but you have to do the things I outlined in the premises to succeed.

All that negging time constraint, etc. you don't really need it much in social circle club game. It's ok to use it in certain situations, but it's more about just being cool, hanging out with the group and doing fun kino and sexual communication with the girls. It's not nearly as much pressure as doing cold approach game, where you have to go through approach anxiety and all this other really hard stuff like AMOGing and being scared of her BF. So that's a huge plus. In some ways it's easier.

In some ways it's harder. you have to have your look really together or it's hard to even get started ( i mean clothing, not being traditionally good looking). and if you enter the circle the wrong way, from too low and try to work your way up you might waste time and get nothing. But if you get good at it, gaming is super easy and fun. And the chicks tend to be hotter than ever in these club social circles. Thats the biggest advantage. Girls who would laugh in your face on a cold approach would give you an honest chance in social circle game.

[Wild]

So what you are saying is that to have solid club girl social circle game is I need to network, build rapport with the alphas of the social circles. Meaning club promoters, djs, "the person that stands around and has every hot girl go up to him and giving im a hug because they know each other and probably fucked before"?

Heh sounds like a lot of work and congruency is hard if let's say you are busy in other areas of your life....nonetheless I guess you get what you put in =)

[AlaskaDan]

Yeah social circles are the easiet to get girlfriends and lays from...not to mention providing that social proff when you do go to other venues. Going out by yourself and pulling a girl from a cold approach is damn impressive. I have done it a couple times an I have had some friends do it. The club is more of a meat market so the guys that will pull random are generally the brad pitt types even if there game isnt good, or just tall guys in general. The only reason I ever pull is because I have deceant game. The thing is though I have had too many times where I have been doing good then all of the sudden ASD==bam goodnight. I have actually gotten sick of the club and trying to get the randoms. Too much work== too many logistics problems that can happen. The only thing that I have gotten from it is takeing away the fear and the neediness around women. The just don't shake me any more.