Premises of Social Circle Club Game

[BradP]

I know it sounds like a lot of work, but it's not as bad as you think. It takes like 2 weeks or so to set it up, then it's pretty easy from there.

[Flyboy29]

Originally Posted by BradP

1st Premise: Girls are trying not to go home with a "random guy."

Girls in clubs are subjected to massive amounts of stimulation. They have people pumping their buying temperature in 15 different ways the whole time. They want to fuck SOMEBODY. But there are huge adverse effects to fucking a "random guy." Loss of social proof, rumors about being a slut, bringing down the value of her girl-team...and that's just the beginning.

So they normally try to avoid fucking the "random guy" as it is considered poor form. They are bitching about it all the time-
"This RANDOM GUY just hit on me, it was so creepy."

"what's with all these RANDOM GUYS grinding up against me on the dance floor?"

Is there SOME appeal to fucking a random guy? well yeah, women have secret fantasies about doing a random guy behind a dumpster in the parking lot. These are the kinds of fantasies they try to keep inside and never let it happen in real life. Can you get laid as a random guy? Yes, but it is fucking hard! I know, I've fucked plenty of random girls behind dumpters in parking lots. It aint easy. It's like swimming uphill. Fucking a random person you just met is more of a male fantasy than a female fantasy.

I did months and months of club game and got into the innermost circles of the club business, and here's what I found. These club girls will normally walk around all night getting their buying temp pumped like crazy...then they usually fuck a guy from their social circle. Players can rarely get past the random guy stigma, the CBs, the logistics, etc. Sometimes a really good looking buff guy can get past it, usually the average ASFer can't.

There is FAR less social danger in fucking a guy who is a known member of her peer group. She can leave in a cab with him and people won't even think they fucked, cause everyone is already friends. It can be kept secret. Or it can be a known thing and it's no big deal. I once fucked 6 girls in the same social circle and no one got mad about it, cause I was an accepted member of the group, and in that group everyone was fucking eachother.

Premise #2: You must enter peer groups from the top

There's no working your way up in club game. If you come in as a nobody off the street, there's not much room to move up. you have to make the rigght connections quickly, before anyone even notices what's going on.

Premise #3- know the right people
It's not the bartender. it's not the door guy. Maybe in bar game it's good to know the bartender, but it doesn't help much in clubs. This is a myth that if you kkow the door guy you're golden. BS. All he can do is get you in free. That's almost worthless in terms of getting laid. I've heard this doorman thing quite a few times, and now whenever I hear it it's just a red flag that tells me this person probably doesn't actually know much about pulling from clubs and he's just repeating what he heard.

Premise 4: The club is not cooler than you.

The way they set this stuff up, it's supposed to make you feel inferior so you will dump tons of cash trying to get in, fit in, pay for tables, etc.

The reality is that the clubs need you more than you need them. You just have to know how to implement this principle. It starts with not assuming that the club is cooler than you are.

Premise 5: You don't need 1000 cold approaches in club game.

That's unlikely to get you laid by the hottest girls. That's old school ASF doctrine from before we had the advanced technology we have today and it gets misinterpreted often.

1000 cold approaches is for newbies. It should be done in daytime or bar game, or maybe the occasional night of club game. The purpose of the 1000 approaches is to purge you of social anxiety and teach you basic social skills. Even successful cold approaching in clubs most often results in flaky phone numbers and sloppy drunken make outs.

Plenty of people have failed with this one so don't feel bad. These australian guys emailed me a few months back that they wanted me to fly in and train them because they had literally cold approached EVERY SINGLE WOMAN in their area in clubs and not gotten laid once. The problem here is that these guys were not making adjustments to their process. They were just doing the same thing over and over hoping to get a different results. To me that's nuts and i would never do it. I would never do ANTYHING 1000 times and not succeed. You have to adjust. I was adjusting this cold approach strategy before I even got to 100 cold approaches in clubs.

I've gotten laid from clubs on cold approaches and I could come on here and teach you that, but it's just a huge uphill battle and you should do it the easier way. My game was ON FIRE getting laid on cold approaches and I also employ some insanely extreme tactics (pheromone kid stuff). The average ASFer is not going to be able to duplicate that level of game, and may be turned off by such extreme tactics.

Social circle game provided a constant flow of 9s and 10s. Models, go-go dancers. etc. After a few weeks of set-up time with the social circle, there was very little gaming needed to pull these girls.

A lot is being left out here. A 9 or a 10 isn't going to just roll over because some guy impressed her social circle. How old is Brad? Get older and to keep high value one has to be more accomplished, when a college kid can get by on potential and bullshit.

Does this involve free VIP entrance because that's where most of his stated targets hang out.

Is Brad tall or short? Fat or thin? Rich or poor? Good-looking or ugly?

Maybe he wasn't around when that old-school stuff was the advanced technology, and it worked because every dweeb who read "The Game" hadn't been trying it on the targets.

[AlaskaDan]

I think that what he is stateing is that girls in your social circle will get turned on by some dudes at the club and then fuck you because your cool and you know them. I understand what he is saying because it does work...it has happend to me and I am sure it has happend to others. I think many of us focus on doing the cold approach based on game alone with no social proof and that is killer hard to acomplish...you have to be real witty and have some deceant looks/style to get a random hottie. It is much easier to get a social circle going and have girls that way.

[wildinout8]

It DOES work...and is evidence why I promote pivots of all calibers.

They proof you to their friends, give you a better introduction than you ever could and are the access to their friends. My current FB required absolutely no game...I told my pivot I thought her friend was cute, the pivot called her and brought me up casually in convo, then called me and told me I could have sex with her. I told her to give her girl my number and that weekend it was closed.

I go out every weekend with pivots and their crews, watch guys come up spittin wack game and I just sit back and wait for them to get blown out. The ladies get their buying-temperature pumped up and it's a wrap from there-on.

MAKE PIVOTS...

[BradP]

Good, a few people are really getting this.
I've been traveling around giving seminars on this and I've put the seminar out on audio CD. So if what these guys are talking about sounds confusing to you, then you should check that out at my site www.bradppresents.com.

Now I'm going to give you more specifics here so you get this off the ground ASAP.



Here's some PDFs with diagrams and stuff to give you the backround on what I'm saying here. I put them on rapidshare since I'm technologically impaired and i don't even know how to log into my own web server.

This one has an essential diagram-
http://rapidshare.com/files/22042052...ircle.pdf.html

This one is basically just the LRs, but I think it brings the whole thing to life better than just a post on theory.
http://rapidshare.com/files/22042267...diary.pdf.html

Ok so you got that stuff? you get the idea with the hierarchy?

Now take away the owner, and the promo companies because they seldom are much of a presence in the club. The most important guys to network with are the small time promoters (STPs). They need you to keep up their attendence numbers. So that makes them easy to approach. Meet one of them on the street or in the mall and he'll be BEGGING you to show up to the club. Then when you get there he's all high status surrounded by chicks. Clubs hire these super well dressed super social skilled types (mostly guys, but some girls) to pump up the attendance of the club. It is the EASIEST ENTRY POINT to a high status social circle.

so let me talk about various entry points to social circle

general population-
don't enter this way unless you have no other choice

doorman-
he's at the door all night. he's a non-factor. Useless, except you can get in.

bar staff-
Too busy to give a shit about you. Helpful in bars or on slow nights. Not very helpful in clubs.

STP-
best way to enter. It's their job to make sure you get in, make sure you are happy, and make sure you're getting introduced to all the HBs they spent all week pulling into the club.

owner/head promoter-
useless. too busy to give a shit about you unless you're in VIP dropping 5 grand.


Ok so here's step by step. I know this isnt super detailed, but it's a lot to type out-

1. get clothing and basics together. choose clothing according to what scene you're targeting. if you don't have this down you're fucked and you should stick with cold approach in other settings. Do not even GO to a club without having great clothes that are aimed at a particular scene.

2. First night is recon- meet STPs, get on their lists. email list, text list, myspace, whatever they use

3. become a familiar face and present value. show up with women. if you dont have female friends meet girls on the internet, tell them LJBF, and bring them with you. WOMEN ARE THE CURRENCY THAT FUELS CLUBS. WALKING IN WITH 4 WOMEN IS LIKE WALKING IN WITH THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. you don't need to do this every time, but it is imprortant during set up time that STP sees you as an asset to his business. he needs girls. he needs numbers. You can go it alone after a couple weeks and just leech off the chicks he's pulling in.

DO NOT BE A LIABILITY IN THE BEGINNING as in don't creep out the girls the STP has brought in. If you creep out those chicks on the first night it's INSTANT DEATH. you will be viewed as a liability, a threat to his business and his ambitions to climb the ladder in the club business. Weeks later you can take more risks, but you must play it safe in the beginning. this is NOT like cold approaching where you go for "Blow me or blow me out." You can not afford blowouts. but it's a non factor cause you're not doing approaches really. and you're not a random guy. Just dont creep the girls out in the social circle.

4. Become familiar to the various promoters and peer groups.

5. state regulation is what guides your game. See PDF on that. They are NOT "ADD club chicks" they are regulating their state and you need to learn to respect that. This "ADD club chick" thing bugs me cause it shows you have no understanding of state regulation and how it plays out in club life.

6. Observe- you will see the players, the low status guys in general population, the high status guys who get yoked into orbiting, the hot chicks, the girl teams, it will all make sense.

7. show that you know how to party with state regulation, keep conversations short. 3 minutes is longer than average in a club, and that's between FRIENDS.

from there it's simple sexual game and kino. There is no need to try to hard with routines and all sorts of crazy shit. Don't think too hard. If you're on the boards of MM, you probably have substantial knowledge of social dynamics and that will take you a long way.

You will run into shit tests, AMOGGY guys, etc. but it's not like cold approaching where the whole fucking world is against you.

End game logistics are of UTMOST IMPORTANCE and i could do a long ass post just on that.

Be ready for some crazy shit. these girls are extreme. very hot. kinda psycho. drugged out. don't act surprised by any of this. Be the "I've seen it all before" guy. Some girl chewed my ear off for 10 minutes about her bizarre health problems one time. That's an ETERNITY in a club. Another girl went into a crying fit....a hot blonde sucked my cock in like under 8 minutes...don't get thrown by this stuff. you've seen it all before.

Thats the basic framework. You might be able to run with that. if not, you might need the audio recording too. Stay tuned to this discussion, watch this thread!

Who wants to change their abilities with women and dating FOREVER?

[wildinout8]

No doubt...I've been clubbing in the hottest clubs in DC and Bmore since I was 17 with a fake New Jersey ID...Brad P is really dropping some jewels on here that work whether you party at Bed in South Beach, Rain in Vegas or Poop Deck in Redneck, West Virginia...okay, maybe Poop Deck is a lower echelon...since I made it up...

But seriously, everything seems to check out with me regarding this post. I used to do promotion for Dream in DC and we were the the guys EVERYONE wanted to be friends with.

[BradP]

Flyboy- I'm 30. tall thin. ok looking. i'm a 7 on hotornot. and i've always been broke up until this year. was pretty broke while developing this system and i still look broke to most girls.

[ware_ru]

lol guys, Brad P is ENDORSED by mm. No need to shit-test him.

Also, Brad's leaving out that he plays up the rockstar stereotype VERY strongly and has a strong identity, especially as he is indeed in a rock band that travels and does shows. Read his article on sexy stereotyping. Solid stuff.

[BradP]

some of this is true.

[ware_ru]

Originally Posted by BradP

some of this is true.

heh, I didn't mean it was your reason for succes, I meant that although you say you're a 7 in looks, you're a rockstar.