How to overcome that barrier and solving that puzzle through seduction?

[Deviant]

Face it, females are like walking puzzles that confuses the hell out of you. You manage to solve the puzzle, then you are faced with a barrier.

Failure to solve the puzzle, you just lose the girl, solving the puzzle and failing to overcome the barrier, you end up in the LJBF area.

I know a lot of you guys have been here, so here's my dilemma, what should I do? I've done well with most of the other areas, but this is where i get stuck a lil. I can't seem to deliver the final blow. Any help will be appreciated thanks.


I met this girl recently through several friends of mine and I found myself hanging out with her a lot.


I believe that I did quite well with my transitioning, attraction, qualification, and comfort with her.
I was cocky/funny (which really does work) neg her and delivered IOIs everytime she passed my compliance test.

We hanged out for the most part, almost every other night right through midnight and early morning, usually just laying down, talking and cuddling. I made sure to establish a lot of Kino with her since it fortifies the comfort by a lot, and it shows.

Everytime we hang out, we would cuddle, hug, joke around, etc. We even ended up sleeping (no sex lol) a couple of times together. Umm although we ended up fooling around near the morning but because of a certain "constraint" we weren't able to continue because we didn't have a chance to.

So last night I took her out and we had dinner, drove around the beach eatign ice cream and cuddled and talked in the car. More and more she's beginning to be more, touchy, and playfully agressive.

Now this is where my confusion lies, and I hope you guys can help me out with this one.

she randomly asked last night if I like her. (Feels like a shit test to me) She said

Her: Do you like me as a friend or do you like me as a potential future relationship status.

I wasn't able to answer her fully, because I got caught off guard and I was not prepared for the question.

Question 1 - how would you answer that question if you were in the situation

the rest of the night, she sent out a lot of mix signals... literally a lot of em. One moment you think she really is in to you and the next moment, it seems like she doesn't want anything from what shes saying. I managed to turn the questions against her before I answered it atleast.


I know that there is attraction however she has this barrier that I can't seem to overcome. during our conversation last night, I was able to ask what this barrier is, this "limiting factor" which she revealed quite openly.

1 - She's pessimistic: After comming from a relationship where she openned up that barrier, and got hurt, shes really defensive in someway now.

2 - She thinks that we are worlds apart. she thinks I'm my credentials are too good for her, that I would be embarrassed of her (eh?)

3 - She's afraid of Intimacy... right now...

I know theres a treasure behind that wall, I just don't know how to reach it haha. It sucks cause I know I'm getting there more and and I can't seem to deliver the final blow. I don't want to do something stupid like what happened with the other guys that she befriended and got comfortable with. She told me last night, one guy during a very serious moment told her, "I want to get together with you and try to make things work" and when she asked why, he answered with the "you're lonely, I'm lonely, we need each other"

I don't wanna fall into that pit, especially since last night she tried to ask the same question.

After asking if I like her and how I like her, she asked why.

I managed to avoid the question or any direct answers (which is a big no no) by saying "that shes thinking too much about it" and followed it up with the "I enjoy spending time with you and I liek to get to know you as a person" and regardless of what variation of the same question she asked me, I kept repeatign the same answer.

So what do I do... should i step it up a notch in terms of kino... shes been giving me sex jokes a lot now, although shes doing well to make it sound sarcastic as I have been doing as well.


How do I not fall in the same pit as the other dude, how do I respond to her with that question, and how do I put it up a notch without giving up control. I know she wants it, but theres something holding her back that I cant seem to overcome (I dont directly and over use compliments anymore, I keep its worth by using it less) How do I seduce her... further... what do I say, what do I do or atleast what should I not do lol

Thanks guys for taking your time to read this, I'm sure some of you are also in the same position. What did you guys do that was successful.unsuccessful?

Deviant

[irishxthugx]

Alright, first and foremost. You have to learn to pull the trigger. You need to kiss this girl if you havent already. That should have happened long ago, way before any of this falling asleep and cuddling.

Second, establish the frame that YOU want. If you want her as a girlfriend, then passionately kiss her and make it happen. If you want a FB, then sack up and take her to bed. HOWEVER, you have to be willing to sell yourself and the situation that you are offering to her. If you're interested in a solely physical relationship, get good at talking about how wonderful that can be, sell it to her.

Thirdly, learn the signs, the girl wants you, that much is clear, the thing is that she also wants you to do something about it. So by all means just do. Remember, you are the alpha male, act like it

[Deviant]

Hey thanks for the response. It's not that I didn't try to kiss her, but she just didn't let me. She avoided most of the time when I tried to get intimate with her. As in, I lean she pushes a way.

I K-close but it was only during a heated moment of... near the beginning.

She LJBF me the other night because she thought we were in two different worlds in terms of "status". seems kinda BS to me lol.

Maybe I should just next her, I invested too much time with her. I'm beginning to think my kindness is getting used. I was doin well for awhile, I felt like an AFC when I told her how I felt and got LJBF lol...

[irishxthugx]

Ya my man, thats tough, and we've all been there. But you must move on: 3 billion females on this earth.
However, you might try hooking up with a girl infront of her at a party, or hook up with someone she knows who will hear about it, jealousy plotlines do amazing things.