Getting Physical - Expert help needed

[conundrum28]

Hi all,

I've been having an issue. I have everything going for me, I approach women left and right, my phone is full of women's numbers. After some reading and hanging with some PUAs, I am at a respectable level. I breeze through the stages, up to the point of when the attraction is built up that the next step is physical - I crash and burn on kissing and taking her home.

I have k-closed a few times, and an f-close, but that was only because she was responsive in an obvious way.

I am having HUGE trouble, because I have the image of the high value dude (I am confident by nature):

The women love me and want to get to know me (I use the reverse psychology technique - women see a guy with other women, and thus think he is a good catch, and thus want to get to know him, which in return brings more women- you know "the social status-if-she-wants-him-I-want-him-also" kind of thing). I am good in body lang. + eye contact, which I create instant attraction, and I can make a mouse laugh.....

Guys think I am a player because I have all the numbers and always around women who seem to approach me.

But! I am not sleeping with them! I can't seem to cross the physical barrier.

Help!! this is driving me nuts.

[Paladin]

you have escalation anxiety. just run a kclose routine. as soon as you think maybe i should kiss her. you should. simple. just push the kino.

[flash22]

If you have so many numbers and girls that love you... you need to start isolating and f-closing them, you can't bang a girl when your out at a bar with 10 other girls and friends hanging around you... you need to isolate! If you have no problem going through all the phases then you should have no problems picking up the IOI's they wanna go home with you.

Maybe you invite them back to your place for a post bar drink or whatever routine you wanna run here. Its going to be a case of situational awareness depending on your location (i.e bar, day date, movies, dinner, etc) You just need to have the comfort built (which im sure you do with from what your saying) so that they are ok with leaving there friends behind to go home with you. It might be as simple as do you wanna come over for dinner tonight.

If these girls are really that into you, you should be able to escalate with a nice back massage. Set the mode, light some nice candles, put on some relaxing music, break out some massage oil. Make sure you get them to give you one, and stop them half way through, do a push pull routine were they were giving an alright one but now your going to show them a real one! This is a great way to build kino and if your feeling the vibe start to make it sexual. Two steps forward, one step back! You should be able to feel out how far you can go. You might be able to turn it into feeling her whole body up or just her back, regardless your building comfort and kino. This should lighten her up a bit and if you feel the time is right go for the k-close.

Now again its two steps forward, one step back! you dont go from a kiss on the lips instantly to sex, you have to build it up and break her comfort in more. Its going to vary from girl to girl how easily you can get in and use a freeze out if necessary.

Flash

[tuftone]

i used to have this same problem, i was a number getting machine but wasn't closing like i should have been

i realized i was doing two things wrong:

(1) - believe it or not, i was building up too much value for myself... and not enough comfort or connection.

i built myself up to be a god in her eyes, but didn't make her feel like i was really interested in her. I teased her a lot, did all sorts of stuff to show i was high status, but didn't create any kind of connection, and then when i went to kiss her or invite her back to my place, it seemed like it was out of left field.

the point is you might be demonstrating too high a value, not making her feel comfortable enough, and not showing enough interest.

(2) the second thing i was doing wrong was i wasn't using nearly enough kino. using kino right from the beginning with a woman works like magic for when it's time to close the deal

hope this helps

[ridick123]

I have the same problem... how much kino are we generally talking about before kissing and before f-closing? like a full blown feeling her out in a massage and your face a few inches from her face?

[tuftone]

the key with kino is to start early, and do it often...

• as soon as you meet her for your day 2 give her a big hug
  
• tell her she smells good, put your nose to her neck and say, "mmm that's nice"
  
• thumb wrestle with her
  
• give her high fives
  
• ask to see her hands, tell her how soft they are
  
• put your hand on the small of her back when you cross the street or walk
• through a door way
  
• take her by the hand if you want to show her something in the other room, or at another part of the place you're at

you get the point.
start off really gradually, gauge her responses and escalate