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Old 01-07-2007, 01:59 PM
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first let me say that this is a subject i've spent assloads of time researching,practicing and thinking about... it's come to my attention that nearly ALL forms of comrdy are based around ONE simple truth:contradiction

i think of developing a good sense of humor as: developing the ability to find contradictory parallels, and more precisely as being much like developing the ability to PU.

which goes like this :

PU: learn some lines, openers and routines. you cant just laern the material though, what you really want to learn is WHY the material works, 'cause once you know the reasons certain things work you can make up your own material either at home on your notepad or in field during set. YOU CANNOT HOWEVER LEARN THESE THINGS UNLESS YOU PRACTICE THEM.


Comedy: same as above or


Comedy: learn some lines, openers and routines. you cant just laern the material though, what you really want to learn is WHY the material works, 'cause once you know the reasons certain things work you can make up your own material either at home on your notepad or in field during set. YOU CANNOT HOWEVER LEARN THESE THINGS UNLESS YOU PRACTICE THEM.


as you can see it's the same exact thing, but lets use some examples for comedy using contradiction as the main antagonist:

friend: pass me the ketchup
me: dude, we're in a gas station


this is funny because theres an inherent contradiction here:

pass me the ketchup sets up the thought that we MUST be in a place where ketchup is readily available AND contextually correct ( why else would someone ask for ketchup)


another way to make this funny in skit form would go something like this:

(me and a stranger are sitting with our backs to the audience i already have my food and am reading a newspaper while he's just been served his food)

guy: hey buddy could you pass me the ketchup.
me: ( not taking my eyes off the paper) passes him a bottle of mustard.


this is funny because the setup is to pass him some ketchup but what i do is contradictory in that i dont do what he asks and instead hand him mustard.

let me go on to explain the many different points of humor in this as it can get very complicated in worded form.

lets say that instead of me continuing to look at the newspaper while handing him the mustard i instead look away from my paper at the mustard and knowingly hand him mustard instead. well this isnt particularly funny as it comes off as weird for incongruency. (that is if the character I'm playing is "normal" rather than some outlandish eccentric fellow)


but lets use the same example with an eccentric dude as the character:

guy:could you pass me the ketchup.
me: (looks away from paper in an exasperated manner while shaking head as if to say why cant i just have some peace while reading my newspaper)
picks up mustard SLAMS it down next to stranger then looks back at paper while opening and closing it three times making that loud paper sound as if he can finally get back to business.

thats funny

another way would be:

guy: could you pass me the ketchup.
me: grabs ketchup gets off of stool says "HUT HUT" does a two step drop and fires the ketchup at the bewildered stranger who gets hit in the head and loudly exclaims "OUCH!"

now thats hella funny

and it could be made even funnier by the would be QB raising his arms in triumph as if he's just made a 50 yard touch down pass.


the reason is obvious if you understand contradiction:

someone getting hit in the head by a ketchup bottle sets up a standard "apologetic" situation which is what the audience is expecting: an apology. but raising ones arms in victorial triumph instead is completely contradictory and unexpected and therefore funny as hell.

the point of all of this is how a statement as simple and boring as "pass me the ketchup" can be made into comedic gold with something as simple as offering up a different solution to the problem exposed.


so basically if you want to be funny all you have to be able to do is find the expected outcome and do something different. (in a very small and oversimplifed nutshell)


to practice this without friends just come up with mundane statements or questions and come up with contradictions to them:


how are you doing:

1.i'll be great when your standing down wind.

2. doing what?

3. life is purple. (eccentricity needed)

4. i think my dog has a crush on your cat.
but i dont have a cat.
good , 'cause i dont have a dog ( look at her and lick lips) or wink or smile

5. i've got the shakes, could you go away and come back less attractive.


etc.

remember these are just examples, i could see them all working but also falling flat. you have to calibrate to your audience/ target. and that only comes with practice.
which becomes much easier when given a set of rules to learn by.


kevins post is great as it gives you those rules, at the link he put up.



and to answer savoys question, yes i have had to develop a sense of humor through trial and error and am still working on it but ive been getting consistent laughs for a while now.

i am no comedian though and am always looking for more stuff to learn and put in the repertoire and will be looking forward to anything insightful written on this subject.



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Old 01-07-2007, 02:04 PM
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Savoy's question was specifically, have you successfully learned to be funny? Are you saying that those things worked for you in picking up a better sense of humor, can you back this up with actual success?
Yes, what I wrote about helped develop my sense of humor. Savoy asked for things that might help other guys. I listed eleven, but the most important one is between the lines: hard work. There is no magic potion, no short cut, no guaranteed-to-make-you-funny-or-your-money-back way to do it. I bombed a million times, and I replayed every success and every failure in my head a million more times. Still do, truth be told - the failures still sting and I still get a rush from the lines that killed.

Learning to be funny isn’t fun. Many nights you’ll say something stupid and the HB10 who was hanging all over you and laughing never speaks to you again. (That’s OK – there are more where she came from.) Can I “back this up with actual success”? That’s tough. I think that if you’re funny, even if you’re not born funny, it becomes as much a part of who you are as the color of your eyes. And frankly, some people don’t think I’m funny at all.

They think I’m an asshole.


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Old 01-09-2007, 05:31 PM
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I have to agree with Miaddict. Being funny is largely dependant on the chemestry of the group your in. I keep reading bout this thing called congruancy. Humor is the same way. It has to be congruent with the person you are interacting with. The confidence part of it is weather or not you are spending all this time worried about if she thinks your funny. She either will or she won't. The fact that any guy worries about weather or not "she" thinks he's funny makes him an AFC. Any time any guy is seeking validation from a "she" in any form is a mistake. The fact is that most women no matter how independent or hot they are are infact looking for validation from others and if you are the person validating others then you are in charge. Its your frame. Make jokes and if she is not entertained then forget her. Find one that likes your sense of humor and don't get stuck trying to figure out how to get into her frame. Demonstraight higher value and make her seek out your acceptence and get her to figure out how to get access to your reality. If she laughs at your stupid jokkes then you know she likes you.
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I've always been a funny guy, so I can't really say that I learned to be funny, but there was one thing that I experienced that I think actually taught me to be funnier.

It was an improv class at the Second City. Honest to god, I really think that class made me funnier, more spontaneous and more creative. Basically most of the exercises were dedicated to killing that little voice inside your head that over-rationalizes things and says "oh, don't say that..."... turns out that voice is almost always wrong.

Anyway, it's something I totally recommend to all my students. Especially those who are on the introverted side. The classes are usually full of cute actresses too
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Old 01-10-2007, 05:58 AM
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really BEING funny isn't that easy to learn if you are not and could take some time to learn. However, if nobody ever laught at your jokes, try to watch some unknown comedian and borrow some of his/her jokes that you like. note that most jokes are not funny if you don't bring it the right way, so watch how the comedian does this too.

just a tip for all the not so funny people.
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Old 01-10-2007, 02:15 PM
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mystery said if you keep doing on saying funny things or doing funny things people will say you are funny instead of thats funny.

david d said funny things arent funny, they are mostly unusual. also people with high status are more likely to be funny.

if you combine these two together, then you will be funny and interesting.

p.s: have you ever meet someone whose status is just so high that they get bored by pretty much anything? but they have to do it or be there or whatever. so they use their *extra* energies to entertain themselves. they already have everything handled they are just trying to say things in a different way to entertain themselves only because they just feel like it. then other people around them starts laughing.
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Yes. Funny absolutely CAN be developed, and developed a LOT. For me Pickup and Comedy were actually given by destiny at approximately the same time, as a creative breakthough - it's a long story including car accidents, traffic schools, and an X

I have been at a comedy class and I do standup now too, and I've personally seen every single person there develop their sense of humor (and themselves) tremendously. At the end even a regular conversation was never like before. Not to speak of the teachers who most of the time were also doing comedy on the spot as they speak.

My biggest PUA achievements so far had actually been through ultimate Improv on the spot, which I consider a massive DHV. When you're "in the zone" you can easily go at a party or gathering and make everyone there laugh their asses off, and gain high status immediately. Then you can keep them laughing for hours.

My personal contributions in that respect are (as obvious as they may sound):

1. DEVELOPMENT THEORY (valid for everything, including developing Humor):

Chaos -> Rules -> Science -> Creativity

2. GAME STARTERS

This is what I consider very important. Your goal is not just to talk and DHV - your goal is to start improv games and have her play and have fun with you (and as a PUA you take the lead of course). Build a foundation and rif on it. And then again - any random impulse can be your next improv game.

My greatest personal achievement recently was 3-days of ultimate improv with a girl that visited me, at the end of which we were both vibing and had the greatest emotional connection ever - she even said that was the most fun that she had since she came to U.S. (5+ years).

I am grateful to Destiny for bringing me Comedy and Pickup, and to the Community for all the rest.

Rock on guys!

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I think the easiest way to get laughs is to have a funny story to tell, because then it's like a routine.

Once you've got a funny story its really about delivery. I hate to bring him up because its so obvious, but Dane Cook has great delivery. Just from watching him so much I've improved my delivery significantly.
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I've been funny since I gurgled a Knock Knock joke at 3 days old...but for the rest of you there is a great couple of Books.

The Comedy Toolbox - How to be funny even when you are not. It breaks down the mechanics of humour.

Another one that I really enjoyed reading was Zen and the Art of Stand-up Comedy by Jay Sankey he really focuses on the mindset needed to stand up and preform.
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I think the easiest way to get laughs is to have a funny story to tell, because then it's like a routine.

Once you've got a funny story its really about delivery. I hate to bring him up because its so obvious, but Dane Cook has great delivery. Just from watching him so much I've improved my delivery significantly.
OMG you didn't just say that Dane Cook is the worst thing to happen to stand-up comedy in Decades, he'll be a second rate actor before you know it, leaving the stand-up work to the real professionals
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