Sarging Russian girls in US vs. Russia(homeland)

[TrueStory]

Do you guys every find it different in the way you sarge russians who's been in america for couple years
vs.
sarging russians who live in russia?
Perhaps When i go home I have automatic DHV because I have shit load of money, I have nice job, live in US, and wear nice clothes? I feel more alpha home than I Do in states.
Anyone else has this experience?

[TheSmoke]

100%... I dont even need to DVH, I already got it. Even thought many people there say that they "dont like US" (fucking hypocrites) most chicks got turned on by only the fact that I am different. Anywhere in Europe we are different for them so its easy to Game to the bed-end

[R_i_o]

Totally agree... there is something behind this psychology of falling for foreign guys, especially for the guys from the high status foreign countries (e.g. U.S.). It happens all the time in Tbilisi, where I live, but I've seen it a lot in Europe too.. It's almost the same when I go from the capital to smaller towns. The very fact that you're from capital city (that shows in your clothing style, behaviors, etc) makes you stand out and is a huge DHV on its own..
Rio

[Mozart]

It doesn't hurt that you have what girls want over in Russia. And also the culture is different and the girls are more free, none of the double standard game many play here.

[TrueStory]

That is absolutely true...
However, how about girls who live here... either FOB (fresh of the boat) or been here for years...
I find it hard to sarge FOB girls. I run into culture mismatch. But I am working on calibrating my game. (a slight modification to cocky and funny and different neg system)
...however, russians who have been living here; no prob.
anyone else share same experience?

[Valmont PUA]

This is very true. It's funny when you see PUAs from the US or Canada go abroad and transform into wannabe "gurus" - but go dead-cold again once they come back home. It's several things (some of which have already been mentioned here):
1. DHV of having a drastically different ethnic appearance.
If you're white or black and you go to Japan, you'll stand out. Instant DHV. Same if you're Japanese or black and you go to Europe (unfortunately for ppl of color from Europe and Asia - North America tends to be more racist toward non-white men. I've noticed this in my extensive travels). Keep in mind that only a small subset of girls are willing to date foreigners, but that should still be enough as in most places you constitute less than 0.01% of the population.
2. DHV - third world country
If you're North American or European and go to parts of the developed world like Brazil, Thailand, Phillippines, etc. - you're already proofed because no matter what you do you're richer than 80% of the local men (maybe more). In third world economies, wealth is quite possibly the BIGGEST DHV you can have. Hey - call them whores or gold-diggers or whatever - but it's some Darwinian shit. I don't blame the women there for being this way.
3. 'Frame-Mutation' - Boys on the Rampage
Guys simply get more brazen when they're not on their home turf. Think of invading armies pillaging and raping. They would NEVER do that in their own kingdom/country, but something primal in them just 'clicks' once they leave their borders. It's like when people go on holidays to Turkey or the Carribbean or Mexico - they forget themselves. People cheat on their significant other back home (or even on holiday with them!), have unprotected sex, and do all sorts of whacky shit they would normally never do. Why do they do this? Because everyone has a clean slate and if they fuck up... they'll be gone in a few days anyway. No harm done (for the time being, anyway). So they approach more boldly, almost totally losing their inhibitions. People on holiday also have a natural inquisitiveness, enthusiasm and friendliness to them, which is attractive to anyone.
... in conclusion, much of what you achieve when you're abroad or operating away from your own stomping grounds is "game on steroids". It's not true or shall I say "pure game", in my opinion.
As far as culture clash during sarging - I'm sure it's like that for any immigrant group in North America... you'll run into cultural gaps which are in the end, only minor speedbumps as far as the actual seduction goes. But what if some behaviors that the so-called 'F.O.B.' girls bring turn you off? What if you're too culturally American, and they too Russian/______ /______ /whatever nationality?

[Crimson8Enigma]

I am going back home this May, so I will try to score constantly. I am just recently discovered this community, but I will try build my confidence both here before I go, and especially there (as you said 'game on steroids'). So hopefully when I comeback I got more confidence and better approach. Of course the primary reason for me is to see my family and friends, but I also wanna go out and have fun. I was just wondering should I try to run same routine as it is here, or should I close faster, do more kino, neg less/more, etc? As I said I am new so give some feedback.


-Crimson

[fork included]

please note the question deals with russians going back to russia and hitting on the local girls.

when you go back to russia, you are still russian, and are now part of the major population, the only thing different about you is that you are more or less fluent in English, have slightly more capitalistic and north american values, and you probably dress differently.

do you flaunt that? i dont know..

when i go back to russia to visit family, i try not to make it a point in public that i'm anything different, for your own personal safety its not a good idea to flaunt that you are some american running around busting cash down on the table, thats a good way to get your ass kicked, and this is Moscow, my buddy got the shit beat out of him when he visited his family in Yaroslavil' because he likes to have his hear long in a knot.

i had no problem talking to girls simply out of interest, if there was no need to demosntrate my english speaking skills i didnt, ive practiced enough to make sure i dont forget the language and i lack an english accent while speaking in russian, even tho ive been in canada for a good 13 years!

again, it also depends where you go.

if this is Moscow or St.Petersburb, money is a non issue.

if you go to some of the smaller cities, i think saying that you are "out of town" is more than enough, flaunting that you are "american" will only invite the company of women you dont want, for safety reasons, unless you simply "dont care" in which case go for it.

Originally Posted by Valmont PUA

This is very true. It's funny when you see PUAs from the US or Canada go abroad and transform into wannabe "gurus" - but go dead-cold again once they come back home. It's several things (some of which have already been mentioned here):
1. DHV of having a drastically different ethnic appearance.
If you're white or black and you go to Japan, you'll stand out. Instant DHV. Same if you're Japanese or black and you go to Europe (unfortunately for ppl of color from Europe and Asia - North America tends to be more racist toward non-white men. I've noticed this in my extensive travels). Keep in mind that only a small subset of girls are willing to date foreigners, but that should still be enough as in most places you constitute less than 0.01% of the population.
2. DHV - third world country
If you're North American or European and go to parts of the developed world like Brazil, Thailand, Phillippines, etc. - you're already proofed because no matter what you do you're richer than 80% of the local men (maybe more). In third world economies, wealth is quite possibly the BIGGEST DHV you can have. Hey - call them whores or gold-diggers or whatever - but it's some Darwinian shit. I don't blame the women there for being this way.
3. 'Frame-Mutation' - Boys on the Rampage
Guys simply get more brazen when they're not on their home turf. Think of invading armies pillaging and raping. They would NEVER do that in their own kingdom/country, but something primal in them just 'clicks' once they leave their borders. It's like when people go on holidays to Turkey or the Carribbean or Mexico - they forget themselves. People cheat on their significant other back home (or even on holiday with them!), have unprotected sex, and do all sorts of whacky shit they would normally never do. Why do they do this? Because everyone has a clean slate and if they fuck up... they'll be gone in a few days anyway. No harm done (for the time being, anyway). So they approach more boldly, almost totally losing their inhibitions. People on holiday also have a natural inquisitiveness, enthusiasm and friendliness to them, which is attractive to anyone.
... in conclusion, much of what you achieve when you're abroad or operating away from your own stomping grounds is "game on steroids". It's not true or shall I say "pure game", in my opinion.
As far as culture clash during sarging - I'm sure it's like that for any immigrant group in North America... you'll run into cultural gaps which are in the end, only minor speedbumps as far as the actual seduction goes. But what if some behaviors that the so-called 'F.O.B.' girls bring turn you off? What if you're too culturally American, and they too Russian/______ /______ /whatever nationality?

[mercifulboy]

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[fork included]

(извиняюсь за граммоту.. довно не пичятал)

кароче, дело не в переводе, а в идее.

и дажо не пытаяся, некоторые вещи или во-обще не понятны без глубоково знания американских понятей, или просто не очень работает на русскую публику.


самое главное что ты должен был вытинуть из "the game" это то что в момент встречи с девушками ты должен быть совершено другой человек чем все которые до тебя к ней подходили.

ты должен себя откравено вести так, что непохожо что ты вообще их пытяешся подцепить, а даже наоборот, с усмешкой показываеш/говориш им что они не так уж то и хороши.

далее надо просто покозать что ты человек с талантами и способнистями, и тут уж уже твое дело.

а что дальше уже некто не знает

гланое это не под доватся, если девченка к тебе не суется, значет не хочет, иди к следуйщей.


"oppeners"

уж если совсем идей нету, то попробуй такие

"здасте, уменя квам отрковеный вопрос, а буду только сикундочку. Мы тут с другом спорим, кто болше изменяет, мальчики или девочки"


"здасте, уменя квам отрковеный вопрос, а буду только сикундочку. Как вы думаете пацану нормально держать старые фотографии своей подруги в шкафу, не порно а так просто, на памить.

- ответы

"клево, а вот если бы вы с ним встречялись и нашли эти фотки, чтобы вы с ними сделали?"

- ответы

"клево, а вот мой друг тут начял с одной встречятся, и она их нашла и бросила в огонь, как вы думаете, она имела на это права?"

и.т.д.